Conservative.....Not Republican.

You're beginning to sound .....conservative.

I'm getting nervous.
Don't be. Always been this way. I'm just raised too naturally conservative to go in for a lot of histrionic hoopla you see on the internet and now in members of both sides of congress and the present and last couple of Presidents. I'm old and figure most in "the fight" need to take a breath, get away from their segregated water fountains, shut up, and get their asses back to work. We're supposed be getting something done here.
 
Red Jen's lies have already been debunked. The Biden regime is indeed planning to provide crack pipes to residents of minority neighborhoods. That's Joe Biden's plan for black success in America.


After 30 or 40 of the Democrat's lies are clealy exposed, morons keep believing and parroting them.


Simply amazing.
 
Don't be. Always been this way. I'm just raised too naturally conservative to go in for a lot of histrionic hoopla you see on the internet and now in members of both sides of congress and the present and last couple of Presidents. I'm old and figure most in "the fight" need to take a breath, get away from their segregated water fountains, shut up, and get their asses back to work. We're supposed be getting something done here.


I believe I have the vapors!!!!


The Litmus Test: who'd you vote for?
 
Red Jen's lies have already been debunked. The Biden regime is indeed planning to provide crack pipes to residents of minority neighborhoods. That's Joe Biden's plan for black success in America.



7. And the reason I wind up voting for the Republican Party:


BIDEN ADMINISTRATION

"Republican Senators Move To Bar Federal Spending for Crack Paraphernalia​

Follows Free Beacon report on Biden admin plan to fund crack 'smoking kits'

More than a dozen Republican senators introduced a measure Thursday that would ban a pandemic relief program from funding the distribution of crack pipes and other drug paraphernalia.

The Cutting off Rampant Access to Crack Kits (CRACK) Act, introduced by Sen. Marco Rubio (R., Fla.), would amend the Democrats' American Rescue Plan, which allocates $30 million for a program that funds the distribution of crack "smoking kits." The amendment comes in response to a Washington Free Beacon report Monday that detailed how the Biden administration will fund smoking kits intended to limit the spread of disease among users of drugs such as crack cocaine and crystal methamphetamine. The money would fund local government programs such as ones already established in cities across the country. Programs in Annapolis, Md., New Haven, Conn., San Francisco, and Seattle, all included smoking pipes in kits.

"It is pure insanity to think the federal government would fund crack pipe distribution," Rubio said. "This legislation will make certain the program can never pay for crack pipes."
 
I believe I have the vapors!!!!


The Litmus Test: who'd you vote for?
Probably. A lot of the people/attack dogs on both sides with their hoopla give me gas.
Which year?
 
You know very well which year.

2020
:auiqs.jpg: Joe Biden. He's been a cluster Fk, but still glad the trumper option failed, as I predicted it would. I take the long view, rather than the 4-year view. Never been much of a party person. If it makes you feel any better, I didn't vote for either of the two party choices in 2016, as both lying, low character, demagogue, long term dangers to my country. Still don't know which would have been the worse for the country in the long run. In actuality, we can put up with 4 wasted years in history much easier than radical change in the wrong direction or unfettered central control without oversight of constitutional or even political constraints.
 
:auiqs.jpg: Joe Biden. He's been a cluster Fk, but still glad the trumper option failed, as I predicted it would. I take the long view, rather than the 4-year view. Never been much of a party person. If it makes you feel any better, I didn't vote for either of the two party choices in 2016, as both lying, low character, demagogue, long term dangers to my country. Still don't know which would have been the worse for the country in the long run. In actuality, we can put up with 4 wasted years in history much easier than radical change in the wrong direction or unfettered central control without oversight of constitutional or even political constraints.


Wheeew.....

Reality has been confirmed: you talk a good conservative, but when it comes to the choice.....you're a sell-out.


How do you live with yourself?
 
99 times out of 100, my vote goes to the Republicans because their positions are far closer to American values and heritage than the Wehrmacht....er, Democrats.
"Nothing Liberals relish more than searching for reasons for being morally indignant! This is because they can’t take the moral high ground on abortion, adultery, illegitimacy, the divorce rate, drugs, crime, a president molesting an intern and then lying to federal investigators. They stake out a clear moral position only on the issue of slavery…of course, when it mattered, they were on the wrong side of that, too.'
Coulter



2. Here's a prime example of the sort of social land mine the Left pushes on the American public:
“Biden admin to fund crack pipe distribution for ‘racial equality’

The $30 million grant program, which closed applications Monday and will begin in May, will provide funds to nonprofits and local governments to help make drug use safer for addicts. Included in the grant, which is overseen by the Department of Health and Human Services, are funds for "smoking kits/supplies." A spokesman for the agency told the Washington Free Beacon that these kits will provide pipes for users to smoke crack cocaine, crystal methamphetamine, and "any illicit substance." SERIOUSLY: Biden admin to fund crack pipe distribution for ‘racial equality’




3. But here's one example where the Right simply doesn't get it: one more social land mine: gambling.

"Gambling is for most people a harmless form of entertainment. But not for all people. For millions of pathological or problem gamblers, betting can end in debt, bankruptcy, family breakdown, criminality, and substance abuse. These tragic outcomes carry costs that, while hard to see, tear at our threadbare social fabric. The speed with which sports gambling has become a ubiquitous, stigma-free, multibillion-dollar industry tells us something about both the state of the country and the condition of the American Right. Something we may not want to hear.

Nevada legalized gambling in 1931. New Jersey authorized casino gambling in 1976. Gambling was illegal elsewhere.
Today 45 states and Washington, D.C., sell lotto tickets. Their primary customers are low-income taxpayers. Practically every state has a casino. Thirty-one states have legal sports betting.


4. Back in 1973, Irving Kristol was struck by Americans' eagerness to turn their country into a giant Sin City. Kristol wrote in the Wall Street Journal that gambling "undermines the classical virtues (moderation, self-reliance, self-discipline, thrift, diligence, etc.) while nourishing the classical vices (extravagance, avarice, the lack of social responsibility, etc.)." While professing his fondness for Las Vegas, Kristol also noted the ethical dilemmas involved in state lotteries and the problems that arise when people fail to distinguish between entertainment and vice.


5. ... the spread of gambling in the United States coincided with other forms of self-seeking, present-minded, and irresponsible behavior: the overconsumption of food and drink, the legalization of drugs, the pornification of society, and the rapid accumulation of private and public debt. As Americans loosened the bonds of self-restraint, as they came to think of thrift and moderation as "hypocritical or puritanical," their society became unbundled and unrestrained. Their culture coarsened. Their politics turned vicious."


OK....I'll cop to either 'conservative' or 'Jeremiah.'


Yep.....
 
:auiqs.jpg: Joe Biden. He's been a cluster Fk, but still glad the trumper option failed, as I predicted it would. I take the long view, rather than the 4-year view. Never been much of a party person. If it makes you feel any better, I didn't vote for either of the two party choices in 2016, as both lying, low character, demagogue, long term dangers to my country. Still don't know which would have been the worse for the country in the long run. In actuality, we can put up with 4 wasted years in history much easier than radical change in the wrong direction or unfettered central control without oversight of constitutional or even political constraints.


This.....

 
Just a few comments to weigh in:

Republicans should overtly promote "middle-class values," just as our "President" overtly promotes collective bargaining. These are not directly tied to governance, but are essential to our view of a successful society.

Middle-class values are fairly well known but often ignored. Hard work, thrift, honesty, monogamy, financial responsibility, cleanliness, and basically living a moral and ethical life.

As for gambling, I've never had any interest. I go to Las Vegas one every decade or so just to observe the people and the spectacle. Indeed, I think every American should see it at some time in their lives, just to observe where our culture leads when it has no constraints.

I now have several friends and relatives, all retired, who love to gamble. They play various lotteries, slot machines (at our bowling alley), and go to casinos several times a year. Although I don't "get it," it is something that they enjoy, it generates business and tax revenues, and from what I'm seeing it is harmless, even when they lose. I don't deny the fact that many people gamble to excess and have a "problem" with it, but I don't think everyone else should be prohibited because of their problem.

This might make me more of a Libertarian than a Conservative, but I support legalized gambling, MJ, and even regulated prostitution.

Politically, I can't imagine any development that would result in me voting for any Democrat, for any office, local or national.
 
For clarity, rather than agreement, a definition of term: central to the political divide is the view of human life.

The Founders, classical liberals, conservatives
a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists, Democrats
b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.


None of the totalitarian forms of political plague have the slightest concern for human life: not communism (gulags), not Nazism (concentration camps), not Liberalism (abortion), not Progressivism (eugenics), not socialism (theft), not fascism (murder).

They only differ in the final outcome: slavery, serfdom, or death.

They all follow Trotsky: "We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life."

Whether personal beliefs, or what we call 'politics,' or perhaps 'religion,' the real idea that determines what we will do in any and every situation, is one simple idea. Either one believes that human lives are sacred, or one believes that they can be exchanged to achieve some secular material goal.

Choose a. or b.
a. From Schindler's List: “Whoever saves one life saves the world entire.”
or
b. Trotsky: "We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life."
 
When the discussioin is purely political....and, as Gramsci has noted, “that all life is "political."


Then we should focus on whose rights are protected as an American value:

" Franklin Roosevelt had pictured a place where citizens were joined in a collective enterprise ... Reagan pictured a more individualistic America where everyone would flourish once freed from the shackles of the state, and so the watchwords became self-reliance and small government."
The Liberal Crackup



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A German man standing at a rally in 1936 Hamburg refuses to give the Nazi salute.
 
Just a few comments to weigh in:

Republicans should overtly promote "middle-class values," just as our "President" overtly promotes collective bargaining. These are not directly tied to governance, but are essential to our view of a successful society.

Middle-class values are fairly well known but often ignored. Hard work, thrift, honesty, monogamy, financial responsibility, cleanliness, and basically living a moral and ethical life.

As for gambling, I've never had any interest. I go to Las Vegas one every decade or so just to observe the people and the spectacle. Indeed, I think every American should see it at some time in their lives, just to observe where our culture leads when it has no constraints.

I now have several friends and relatives, all retired, who love to gamble. They play various lotteries, slot machines (at our bowling alley), and go to casinos several times a year. Although I don't "get it," it is something that they enjoy, it generates business and tax revenues, and from what I'm seeing it is harmless, even when they lose. I don't deny the fact that many people gamble to excess and have a "problem" with it, but I don't think everyone else should be prohibited because of their problem.

This might make me more of a Libertarian than a Conservative, but I support legalized gambling, MJ, and even regulated prostitution.

Politically, I can't imagine any development that would result in me voting for any Democrat, for any office, local or national.
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It would be welcome, but an unusual move, in the trump influence era, and certainly not one, they have a standard-bearer to lead on.
 
99 times out of 100, my vote goes to the Republicans because their positions are far closer to American values and heritage than the Wehrmacht....er, Democrats.
"Nothing Liberals relish more than searching for reasons for being morally indignant! This is because they can’t take the moral high ground on abortion, adultery, illegitimacy, the divorce rate, drugs, crime, a president molesting an intern and then lying to federal investigators. They stake out a clear moral position only on the issue of slavery…of course, when it mattered, they were on the wrong side of that, too.'
Coulter



2. Here's a prime example of the sort of social land mine the Left pushes on the American public:
“Biden admin to fund crack pipe distribution for ‘racial equality’

The $30 million grant program, which closed applications Monday and will begin in May, will provide funds to nonprofits and local governments to help make drug use safer for addicts. Included in the grant, which is overseen by the Department of Health and Human Services, are funds for "smoking kits/supplies." A spokesman for the agency told the Washington Free Beacon that these kits will provide pipes for users to smoke crack cocaine, crystal methamphetamine, and "any illicit substance." SERIOUSLY: Biden admin to fund crack pipe distribution for ‘racial equality’




3. But here's one example where the Right simply doesn't get it: one more social land mine: gambling.

"Gambling is for most people a harmless form of entertainment. But not for all people. For millions of pathological or problem gamblers, betting can end in debt, bankruptcy, family breakdown, criminality, and substance abuse. These tragic outcomes carry costs that, while hard to see, tear at our threadbare social fabric. The speed with which sports gambling has become a ubiquitous, stigma-free, multibillion-dollar industry tells us something about both the state of the country and the condition of the American Right. Something we may not want to hear.

Nevada legalized gambling in 1931. New Jersey authorized casino gambling in 1976. Gambling was illegal elsewhere.
Today 45 states and Washington, D.C., sell lotto tickets. Their primary customers are low-income taxpayers. Practically every state has a casino. Thirty-one states have legal sports betting.


4. Back in 1973, Irving Kristol was struck by Americans' eagerness to turn their country into a giant Sin City. Kristol wrote in the Wall Street Journal that gambling "undermines the classical virtues (moderation, self-reliance, self-discipline, thrift, diligence, etc.) while nourishing the classical vices (extravagance, avarice, the lack of social responsibility, etc.)." While professing his fondness for Las Vegas, Kristol also noted the ethical dilemmas involved in state lotteries and the problems that arise when people fail to distinguish between entertainment and vice.


5. ... the spread of gambling in the United States coincided with other forms of self-seeking, present-minded, and irresponsible behavior: the overconsumption of food and drink, the legalization of drugs, the pornification of society, and the rapid accumulation of private and public debt. As Americans loosened the bonds of self-restraint, as they came to think of thrift and moderation as "hypocritical or puritanical," their society became unbundled and unrestrained. Their culture coarsened. Their politics turned vicious."


OK....I'll cop to either 'conservative' or 'Jeremiah.'
Interesting. If people are going to use drugs anyway should you try to prevent overdoses as much as possible? What do you think?
 
Interesting. If people are going to use drugs anyway should you try to prevent overdoses as much as possible? What do you think?

People are going to steal "anyway."


Let's stop outlawig theft (do already by the Democrats) and even murder.

Good plan???



" The Bible is the wisdom of the West. It is from the precepts of the Bible that the legal systems of the West have been developed- systems, worked out over millennia, for dealing with inequality, with injustice, with greed, reducible t that which Christians call the Golden Rule, and the Jews had propounded as “That which is hateful to you, don not do to your neighbor.”

It is these rules and laws which form a framework which allows the individual foreknowledge of that which is permitted and that which is forbidden."
David Mamet
 
People are going to steal "anyway."


Let's stop outlawig theft (do already by the Democrats) and even murder.

Good plan???



" The Bible is the wisdom of the West. It is from the precepts of the Bible that the legal systems of the West have been developed- systems, worked out over millennia, for dealing with inequality, with injustice, with greed, reducible t that which Christians call the Golden Rule, and the Jews had propounded as “That which is hateful to you, don not do to your neighbor.”

It is these rules and laws which form a framework which allows the individual foreknowledge of that which is permitted and that which is forbidden."
David Mamet
I am against drug use. But preventing death is not a bad thing.
 
:auiqs.jpg: Joe Biden. He's been a cluster Fk, but still glad the trumper option failed, as I predicted it would. I take the long view, rather than the 4-year view. Never been much of a party person. If it makes you feel any better, I didn't vote for either of the two party choices in 2016, as both lying, low character, demagogue, long term dangers to my country. Still don't know which would have been the worse for the country in the long run. In actuality, we can put up with 4 wasted years in history much easier than radical change in the wrong direction or unfettered central control without oversight of constitutional or even political constraints.
You're hitting on the key to all the problems White. Trump was the answer to the breakdown of capitalism and Biden was going to be the answer by taking the country back to the failure for the ordinary working class people that it had become over the years.

Americans want something different, and that's where you are getting it right.

The obvious problem with Chicy's ideas is that she's trying to promote the old status quo and that's basically what Biden is doing too, except from the opposite political perspective. She's not able to acknowledge that even Trump understood that the people want something different.

And ow only the lamest and the most politically indoctrinated could imagine that Trump will deliver something for the working class. A corporate psychopath do that??

Somewhere back in the thread, dogmaphobe hinted at the problem by saying that political dogma has people choosing either the left or the right, without examining the policy. That was intuitive even though he doesn't quite understand why he feels that way.

Of course neither Trump's change or Biden's sticking to the usual failure of capitalism, just isn't going to work.

I wonder if America really can put up with 4 wasted years under Biden, as you're suggesting. When capitalism fails, the most likely cure will be a turn to fascism.
 

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