Consequence Culture - Gina Carano, Colin Kaepernick, The Dixie Chicks and Jane Fonda

[Jarlaxle]

Um, yeah, okay... man, the truth of it must not make you look good.

Tell you what: You tell me under what circumstances it would be okay to steal thousands of dollars from an employer, and make a convincing argument, and I'll give you all the details you want...

I can actually come up with one situation where it probably isn't legal, but I would have absolutely no problem with it: a bounced paycheck. Bounce a paycheck and the guy takes the money from the company? Yeah, I'm fine with that!

 

[Jarlaxle]

Actually, he does look like a bad person, because by his own admission, he just admitted they set the guy up to charge him with a crime...

You see, a good boss would call him into the office and get to the bottom and find out why he did what he did.

I'm kind of suspecting CS never bothered to even find out what the whole story was...

You need to stop listening to those voices. They're just as stupid as you.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Goddamn, Joey, how fucking stupid and ignorant are you really?

Joey takes that question as a CHALLENGE.

 

[Jarlaxle]

No, he just copped a plea to avoid $400.00 an hour lawyer fees.

Again, you gave him a card... sounds like pretty bad management to me. I've never seen anything like that in my career, which tells me that you kind of suck as a manager.

More likely, Joey, that nobody actually is dumb enough to trust you with a company credit card!

 

[Jarlaxle]

Before the union declared the strike, these folks were able to pay their bills. It was only after the strike was called that shit hit the fan. Some people lost everything, and it happened only AFTER the fucking UNION called the strike...

Were they? Were they really? Or were they just one medical crisis away from bankruptcy like most of us are?

You keep citing these "some people", but 87% of union members voted for the contract that was eventually won.

Well, of course...because after four months off work, they needed to start getting paid again! Are you THIS fucking simple, boy?

 

[Jarlaxle]

Of course they voted for it. They were getting tired of not working, not earning money and getting foreclosed on or evicted...

They could have crossed the picket lines... or voted for a less stringent agreement.. they didn't. That was the point.

They can only vote for what is agreed to, and they may not have wanted their children murdered.

 

[Jarlaxle]

What peaceful protests?

It's been a loooooooong time since I've seen one of those regarding "police violence"...

Colin taking a knee. That was a peaceful protest. That didn't work. You want to get white people's attention, break their stuff. White people are like that, you can't really appeal to their decency, but threaten to break their stuff, you have their undivided fucking attention.

Not enough of the BLM thugs get shot. Make a couple dozen too dead to break anything and the rest might smarten up. The correct way to deal with feral thugs is buckshot.

 

[Rigby5]

Gina Carano, Colin Kaepernick, The Dixie Chicks and Jane Fonda were all correct.
They are heros.
Those who did not agree or understand, are still wrong.

Twitter must not be allowed to censor, police must not be allowed to murder, the invasion of Iraq was a war crime, and so was Vietnam.

If we do not support these heros, then we are accomplices to the crimes they are trying to stop.

They might have been all correct, but that doesn't mean their employers weren't within their rights to fire them, or that social media isn't within their rights to ban them.

If you can be fired for telling the truth, then we do not live in a democratic republic.
And social media is not supposed to censor at all, for any reason really.
For a democratic republic to work, not only do people have a responsibility to the truth, but have an obligation to act to preserve what is legal and condemn what is not.

The only times you can fire or censor is when it would otherwise cause you harm.
That was not the case with any of these.

When you contest what the truth is, that is when trials are needed.
You don't just get to harm people by firing them, without a trial.

 

[JoeB131]

Not enough of the BLM thugs get shot. Make a couple dozen too dead to break anything and the rest might smarten up. The correct way to deal with feral thugs is buckshot.

Yeah, you try that, Ditchweed. I'll enjoy watching your hate crime trial.

More likely, Joey, that nobody actually is dumb enough to trust you with a company credit card!

Uh, dude, I just placed $187,000 worth of purchase orders this week with an overseas supplier.... that's how much trust I have with my employer.

 

[JoeB131]

If you can be fired for telling the truth, then we do not live in a democratic republic.

Really?

"Hey, Boss, you are a fucking moron!"
"You're fired"
"Waaaahhhh... I don't live in a democratic republic anymore!!!"

He probably is a Moron, but he has the ability to make decisions as to who works for him.

And social media is not supposed to censor at all, for any reason really.

Um, no. Actually, Social Media has the potential to be sued if they promote pornography or violence. The real problem is that they have very few people to monitor content. so they have to rely on people snitching on each other.

For a democratic republic to work, not only do people have a responsibility to the truth, but have an obligation to act to preserve what is legal and condemn what is not.

Here's the thing, in most cases, we aren't talking about the "truth", we are talking about OPINIONS. Carano, Kaepernick, Fonda were all expressing OPINIONS that weren't popular. Their employers are perfectly within their rights to fire them if they don't want to be associated with those opinions.

Now, if the GOVERNMENT were taking action against these people for their opinions, I'd be right there with you.

The only times you can fire or censor is when it would otherwise cause you harm.
That was not the case with any of these.

Actually, I would argue the exact opposite. NFL attendance has dropped because of the Protests by Kaepernick, even after they fired him. Jane Fonda was box office poison by the 1980's, when the "Stabbed in the Back" myth about Vietnam came full circle. Carano is a harder case to make, because Disney has so messed up the Star Wars IP that the fans all hate them at this point.

When you contest what the truth is, that is when trials are needed.
You don't just get to harm people by firing them, without a trial.

Um. No. we live in a world of "At Will Employment". If anything, the people listed in the subject line probably have more worker protections than most of us have. Most of us work in a company where they hand us an employee handbook with a list of things they CAN fire us for, including saying the wrong thing on social media if it makes the company look bad. These handbooks almost always say, THIS IS NOT A CONTRACT. In short, the employer has no obligations.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Jane Fonda was box office poison by the 1980's...

No matter how many times you regurgitate this, it is still a lie!

 

[JoeB131]

Jane Fonda was box office poison by the 1980's...

No matter how many times you regurgitate this, it is still a lie!

Jane Fonda's USMB Page.

Jane Fonda | Actress, Producer, Additional Crew

Known for: Klute, Barbarella, Coming Home

www.imdb.com

Her last memorable role was in on Golden Pond in 1981. After that, she did nothing but art films and pretty much stopped acting after 1990 when she tried to make a comeback in 2005 that went nowhere.

Should point out at the same time her career was declining in the 1980's, is about the same time you had Chuck Norris and Sly Stallone (Guys who both avoided service in Vietnam) trying to rewrite the history where it wasn't the complete clusterfuck that it was.

 

[Canon Shooter]

Um, yeah, okay... man, the truth of it must not make you look good.

Tell you what: You tell me under what circumstances it would be okay to steal thousands of dollars from an employer, and make a convincing argument, and I'll give you all the details you want...

I can actually come up with one situation where it probably isn't legal, but I would have absolutely no problem with it: a bounced paycheck. Bounce a paycheck and the guy takes the money from the company? Yeah, I'm fine with that!

I would disagree with that, simply because there are legal avenues available to address that...

 

[Canon Shooter]

Not enough of the BLM thugs get shot. Make a couple dozen too dead to break anything and the rest might smarten up. The correct way to deal with feral thugs is buckshot.

Yeah, you try that, Ditchweed. I'll enjoy watching your hate crime trial.

When thugs start destroying what isn't theirs, it's no longer a "hate crime". Instead, it's "protecting my shit"...

Uh, dude, I just placed $187,000 worth of purchase orders this week with an overseas supplier.... that's how much trust I have with my employer.

LOL!! $187,000?

Golly, what a big man you are!

I think our largest PO last week was $400,000. I was out of the office, so I'd have to check, but it was up there.

Take your chump change and hit the bricks, little boy...

 

[Canon Shooter]

Should point out at the same time her career was declining in the 1980's, is about the same time you had Chuck Norris and Sly Stallone (Guys who both avoided service in Vietnam) trying to rewrite the history where it wasn't the complete clusterfuck that it was.

Chuck Norris enlisted in the Air Force in 1958 and was honorably discharged in 1962. He didn't "avoid" anything. He simply wouldn't have been drafted before those who hadn't yet served...

 

[Canon Shooter]

Actually, I would argue the exact opposite. NFL attendance has dropped because of the Protests by Kaepernick, even after they fired him.

He was certainly the catalyst and, yeah, NFL attendance dropped because of him, but not because people agreed with him. It dropped because people grew sick and fucking tired of everyone bending over backwards to placate Kapaernick and his "cause" that people said "fuck it" and spent their time elsewhere...

When you contest what the truth is, that is when trials are needed.
You don't just get to harm people by firing them, without a trial.

Um. No. we live in a world of "At Will Employment". If anything, the people listed in the subject line probably have more worker protections than most of us have. Most of us work in a company where they hand us an employee handbook with a list of things they CAN fire us for, including saying the wrong thing on social media if it makes the company look bad. These handbooks almost always say, THIS IS NOT A CONTRACT. In short, the employer has no obligations.

Absolute nonsense.

As an employer, I have no shortage of obligations to my employees...

 

[JoeB131]

When thugs start destroying what isn't theirs, it's no longer a "hate crime". Instead, it's "protecting my shit"...

again, I doubt it will go well for you, but have at it.

Chuck Norris enlisted in the Air Force in 1958 and was honorably discharged in 1962. He didn't "avoid" anything. He simply wouldn't have been drafted before those who hadn't yet served...

Why didn't he re-enlist? He's another right winger who was happy to send OTHER people off to war.

LOL!! $187,000?

Golly, what a big man you are!

I think our largest PO last week was $400,000. I was out of the office, so I'd have to check, but it was up there.

Wow, you really think that's a huge difference? Okay. I mean, I guess you are happy sitting on your little dungheep of a company.

Guys like you suck up to me all the time trying to get me to toss PO's their way.

He was certainly the catalyst and, yeah, NFL attendance dropped because of him, but not because people agreed with him. It dropped because people grew sick and fucking tired of everyone bending over backwards to placate Kapaernick and his "cause" that people said "fuck it" and spent their time elsewhere...

So you just said what I said a different way... isn't that special.

 

[Canon Shooter]

again, I doubt it will go well for you, but have at it.

I don't sweat it...

Why didn't he re-enlist? He's another right winger who was happy to send OTHER people off to war.

Every time I think you're the biggest piece of human shit I've ever encountered, you prove to be an even bigger piece of human shit.

He did his time. He didn't re-enlist because he'd applied to be a police officer in Torrance, CA. See, NOrris wasn't a pussy who had to write resumes for other people for a living after he was discharged.

That said, he could've re-enlisted and still wouldn't have seen time in Vietnam...

LOL!! $187,000?

Golly, what a big man you are!

I think our largest PO last week was $400,000. I was out of the office, so I'd have to check, but it was up there.

Wow, you really think that's a huge difference? Okay. I mean, I guess you are happy sitting on your little dungheep of a company. [/quote]

Sorry, my mistake. The largest was $550K. The smallest was $380K.

My little "dungheep of a company" could buy and sell your scrawny ass...

Guys like you suck up to me all the time trying to get me to toss PO's their way.

Not if you're bragging about PO's less than $200K...

So you just said what I said a different way... isn't that special.

No, I didn't.

Your position is that people gave up on the NFL because they agreed with Kaepernick, and the NFL wouldn't give the has-been a job.

My position is that the general public gave up on the NFL because the NFL started to capitulate, and good Americans weren't interested in that...

 

[hadit]

While I don't share his beliefs, Tim Tebow was vilified by the left for kneeling in silent prayer. No more disruptive than anything Kaepernick did, the act was considered intolerant and outright disgusting by the shit-stained left.

Except nobody insisted on firing him.

Tebow knelt in an act of silent, personal prayer. Kapernick knelt in an act of public defiance. The left looked at Tebow as some sort zealot and at Kaepernick as some sort of hero. Kapernick is no hero and Tebow is no zealot, yet only the act of one of them is acceptable to the dumbfucks who inhabit the left...

Kapernick kneeled because he lives in a country where police can murder people like him, with no consequences. That's kind of a big deal.

Tebow kneeled because he thinks his Imaginary Friend in the Sky is invested in him winning a football game.

Frankly, I've always wondered about a God who really is invested in who wins a football game but could care less about starving children in Africa.



It kind of trivializes your God, doesn't it?

Mind readers of the world, unite!!!

Gotta love it when people who should know better pretend they know what somebody is thinking. Better get that foil helmet adjusted, it's not working too well.

 

[JoeB131]

Every time I think you're the biggest piece of human shit I've ever encountered, you prove to be an even bigger piece of human shit.

He did his time. He didn't re-enlist because he'd applied to be a police officer in Torrance, CA. See, NOrris wasn't a pussy who had to write resumes for other people for a living after he was discharged.

That said, he could've re-enlisted and still wouldn't have seen time in Vietnam...

Well, that's true.. Norris probably couldn't string a sentence together without a writer telling him what to say and a director telling him how to say it.

My point stands. All these people who were all for the Vietnam War, none of them seemed to have found their way over there. But Jane Fonda was bad because she said it was wrong.

My little "dungheep of a company" could buy and sell your scrawny ass...

Again, you couldn't afford my asking price. That was before I'd get to an interview and all the alarms would go off about "Toxic Management".

Your position is that people gave up on the NFL because they agreed with Kaepernick, and the NFL wouldn't give the has-been a job.

Nope. Never said they agreed with him. I mean, go back and have someone explain the big words to you.

White people got ANGRY when Kap took a knee. Of course, he was right... we have too many thugs cops shooting black people for no good reason, and he was totally right to be upset about it. So were a lot of his fellow players, who have achieved that pinnacle of professional success of being in the NFL, but still encounter being pulled over for a "DWB" (Driving While Black).

But the reality- we didn't listen to Kap when he did a peaceful protest and have a thoughtful discussion.

He got fired.
White people stopped watching football
Thug cops kept killing black people.
Black people got fed up and started burning shit.

See how that works, buddy?