Consequence Culture - Gina Carano, Colin Kaepernick, The Dixie Chicks and Jane Fonda

[JoeB131]

Oh is that right ?? So you are in favor of reverse discrimination in order to hopefully see "white" folks suffer for what their ancestor's or relative's did eh ??? Matters not that people today had nothing to do with any of it, but only that you get to see a white person suffer eh ???? You're dismissed.

Uh, if you are a failure despite all the advantages of being white in this country, then that's on you, not anyone else.

As I said, let's get rid of all the nepotism, hiring of buddies, racist HR Managers, etc.

That has nothing to do with the point (try to keep on point) that Conservatives have been cancelling people they didn't like for years.... now liberals are cancelling (not really, big corporations are) white people saying dumb racist things.

 

[JoeB131]

Except, of course, that it didn't.

Actually, I look at fanatical Christians as kind of fucked up in the head. Needing to constantly grovel in front of an imaginary Sky Pixie.

 

[hadit]

Except, of course, that it didn't.

Actually, I look at fanatical Christians as kind of fucked up in the head. Needing to constantly grovel in front of an imaginary Sky Pixie.

I get it, you fear what you don't understand.

 

[Canon Shooter]

I work close to 80 hours a week.. sure it can.

I remember when I used to work that many hours.

Of course, I was an easily replaced cog in the machine back then, and had to work that much so I could put extra cash in the bank.

These days, though, I don't put near that much time in, and it's because I worked so much in the past.

So, hey, maybe there's hope for you yet!

I wouldn't know what black athletes are doing, they weren't screaming Jesus in everyone's face like Tebow's mediocre ass was doing.

Here's another challenge for you to completely fail at: Show me a single instance on the field when he was throwing Jesus in anyone's face...

Actually, they ended up paying him a lot of money, incurred the anger of all the MAGAts, and revenues are kind of down... this is what is brilliant management by you?

They kept him off the field and out of work. No one would hire him, and he failed to show that there was some conspiracy against him.

Yeah, they gave him some money, but how much? How much money did they pay him? They probably ended up paying him far less than the $20,000,000 per season he was demanding to play in the AAF and the XFL. The average salary for a quarterback in the XFL was $250,000 per season, while that same $250,000 was spread out over three seasons in the AAF.

The NFL set up a workout for him in Atlanta, and most of the NFL's 32 teams were going to be there. A half hour before it was scheduled to begin Kaepernick walked on the whole thing, because he didn't like the fact that it wouldn't be open to the media, which shouldn't have mattered at all.

His failure to appear at that workout, which is something the NFL almost never does, is what guaranteed that Kaepernick will never play another down in the NFL...

Again, hard to keep them together when the whole national company goes under because Nose Candy kept making bad decisions.

not that good management would have saved this company, they were probably doomed regardless.

Kind of hard to have a business when all your customers disappear.[/quote]

I notice you always blame others.

I've found that to be a common trait among substandard employees...

Were the newbies responsible for that customer? If not, firing them is stupid and makes no sense, because you've done nothing to address the problem. You fire the people who were responsible for losing that customer, regardless of their seniority.

Okay, that would have been the managers, who knew damned well that the contract was coming up and they needed to get it renewed. None of those people got fired. Even after we got fired, the managers all kept acting like nothing was wrong and they were going to come back on their knees begging us to take their business. They didn't.

You got fired?

See, being a successful business owner, one thing I know is that good employees don't get fired. Shitty employees get fired. Thank you for clarifying that you were not a good employee.

Certainly explains why you're a fan of unions, though. You don't want to bust your ass to keep your job. You want to be in a union shop so you can keep your job despite the fact that you're lazy.

It's all becoming so much clearer now...

I don't know, I wasn't a manager at THAT company. I think they should have taken film of our managers and put them in business schools under "Don't do THAT!" They fell ass-backwards into a lucrative account and still managed to **** it up through neglect. Sales people who never bothered to visit the customer, continuing to soak the customer on pricing when the cost of the commodity was brought down. At some point, the customer figured out they could buy direct from a manufacturer.

Sounds like a company which needed to have a wholesale shit-canning of personnel and start over.

In the early years of my smaller company, one of my employees saw something which, in his opinion, would wind up hurting the company in the long run. I looked at the suggestions he was making and decided to implement changes based on them. The person was a little older than me, but far more experienced in this particular field.

He was a good employee back then, and he's the Vice President of that company today.

You say that you saw all of these problems in your company, yet it's pretty clear you did nothing to try to fix anything. You're a bad employee...

 

[Canon Shooter]

As I said, let's get rid of all the nepotism, hiring of buddies, racist HR Managers, etc.

I have friends and relatives who work in both my companies. They're part of the reason the companies are successful. Friends and relatives are known quantities. I know which ones wil be good workers and which ones won't...

 

[JoeB131]

I get it, you fear what you don't understand.

I understand religion perfectly well.
People are scared of dying.
So if someone offers them a heaven of puppies and sunshine where they get to meet their beloved dead relatives again, they are all for it.
And if you threaten them with fire and brimstone, they call right into line.

Now, don't get me wrong, if all that keeps you sky pixie worshippers from being even worse than you already are, by all means, keep doing that.

 

[Pogo]

While I don't share his beliefs, Tim Tebow was vilified by the left for kneeling in silent prayer. No more disruptive than anything Kaepernick did, the act was considered intolerant and outright disgusting by the shit-stained left.

Tebow knelt in an act of silent, personal prayer. Kapernick knelt in an act of public defiance. The left looked at Tebow as some sort zealot and at Kaepernick as some sort of hero. Kapernick is no hero and Tebow is no zealot, yet only the act of one of them is acceptable to the dumbfucks who inhabit the left...

I've never followed football that deeply but even I know that personal demonstrations of faith are and have been a common occurrence among those so inclined in pro sports, either wishing for luck in the next play or in thanks for the last one. Baseball too. Hell even as a child I remember Tony Taylor would always make the sign of the Cross when he came up to bat, and many still do. He's just a random example, there would be way too many to actually count. Nobody thought less of them. So if you could, y'know, somehow link us to "the shit-stained left" --- which is apparently some kind of corporation or something holding this press conference or whatever the **** it was, that'd be great.

 

[Pogo]

Oh just stop with this bullshit comparison. He got picked on by the left wing idealists. But he wasn't blackballed by the NFL, he wasn't colluded against by NFL owners and unable to land a team, and he wasn't hung out to dry by the collective NFL players association. Eventually he was out of the league. Why? Not because of his religious beliefs or the fact that he kneeled in prayer. Because in the end, he wasn't a very good quarterback. Compare that to Kapernick who had way more upside than Tebow at the QB position and took his team to a Super Bowl. And he can't land a job because he takes a knee protesting the treatment of black men? C'mon.

Cry me a river.

The fact remains that, by and large, the left (not just "left wing idealists") took great exception to Tebow's quiet display of faith.

I hope Kaepernick never plays another down as an NFL quarterback and, the way it's looking, he's not going to. I absolutely support his right to do what he wants to; if he wants to kneel in protest, so be it. I don't have to like it.

But, as much as I don't have to like it, so does he need to live with the ramifications of his actions. The fact is that a lot of football fans gave up on the game because of this kneeling nonsense, and it's hurt the bottom lines of NFL teams. Well, they're not there to bring about social change. They're businesses, and they're there to make money. If Kaepernick's antics result in him not being able to find a job, because those antics will negatively impact the bottom line of an NFL team, well, he needs to be man enough to accept that.

Whining that he can't get a job is pathetic...

So basically you're absolving yourself of the burden of penalizing Kaepernick's opinions ---- as long as somebody else takes it on FOR you. Way to hide behind a rock.

 

[JoeB131]

I have friends and relatives who work in both my companies. They're part of the reason the companies are successful. Friends and relatives are known quantities. I know which ones wil be good workers and which ones won't...

I've seen the other end of it.. sons of managers who get passes on so many awful mistakes, drinking buddies who had no business ever being hired. The lady who was able to terrorize employees across the company because she was ******* the regional manager.

I remember when I used to work that many hours.

Of course, I was an easily replaced cog in the machine back then, and had to work that much so I could put extra cash in the bank.

So today you are a tool, and that's much better.

See, being a successful business owner, one thing I know is that good employees don't get fired. Shitty employees get fired. Thank you for clarifying that you were not a good employee.

What are you smoking? Shitty employees get retained, good employees get fired... if they aren't smart enough to quit.

Not that anyone believes you are a successful business owner. You probably have some shitty little company that follows around bigger companies begging for business. I deal with your sort all the time.

Sounds like a company which needed to have a wholesale shit-canning of personnel and start over.

You say that you saw all of these problems in your company, yet it's pretty clear you did nothing to try to fix anything. You're a bad employee...

That wasn't my job. My job was to review customer demands and place orders for product based on those demands. That job I did exceptionally well, as we never had a line down at the customer, nor did we have excessive inventory we ended up having to write off. (Which in that industry, is an accomplishment, it required very precise planning. They changed packaging designs several times a year and it was important to maintain PIPO and FIFO). I achieved substantial savings, which they didn't pass on to the customer, and the customer knew it.

It was not my job to make sure that sales people showed up at the customer and maintained those critical customer relationships, which is what these managers failed to do. They figured that the three year contract they signed, built new facilities to service, etc. was going to go on forever and ever and ever.

I notice you always blame others.

I've found that to be a common trait among substandard employees...

I've notice substandard managers never accept any responsibility when the organization fails.

Again- Industry at that time, Pet Supply Distribution. Old model- Manufacturers sell to distributors, who consolidate shipments and send them to retailers. That was fine, until the chain stores came along and undersold the retailers. So in the Chicago Market, they went from 9 distributors in 1992 to only two by 1997. Not enough mom and pop shops to sustain them.

 

[Canon Shooter]

So basically you're absolving yourself of the burden of penalizing Kaepernick's opinions ---- as long as somebody else takes it on FOR you. Way to hide behind a rock.

Um, exactly how does one penalize an opinion?

Now, if you actually meant to say penalizing Kaepernick for his opinions, I've never been real shy about sharing my thoughts about him or his actions so, no, I'm not hiding behind anything. I believe he has earned every single bad thing that happens to him...

 

[JoeB131]

The NFL set up a workout for him in Atlanta, and most of the NFL's 32 teams were going to be there. A half hour before it was scheduled to begin Kaepernick walked on the whole thing, because he didn't like the fact that it wouldn't be open to the media, which shouldn't have mattered at all.

His failure to appear at that workout, which is something the NFL almost never does, is what guaranteed that Kaepernick will never play another down in the NFL...

Why should the man have had to debase himself with a try-out?

Yeah, heaven forbid the media be there, and he performed well enough to where a lot of the teams could hardly justify NOT hiring him, given the mediocre talent we had.

I mean, seriously. The Bears have Trubinsky, a guy who is a far worse player than Kap.

 

[JoeB131]

Um, exactly how does one penalize an opinion?

Now, if you actually meant to say penalizing Kaepernick for his opinions, I've never been real shy about sharing my thoughts about him or his actions so, no, I'm not hiding behind anything. I believe he has earned every single bad thing that happens to him...

Interesting, why?

Because he was protesting the murder of black people by the police?

Uh, that's a bad thing. That sort of shit should not be happening in this country.

 

[Canon Shooter]

I've seen the other end of it.. sons of managers who get passes on so many awful mistakes, drinking buddies who had no business ever being hired. The lady who was able to terrorize employees across the company because she was ******* the regional manager.

Interesting.

You proclaim that my workplace is toxic, yet you've got a regional manager who terrorizes employees. What did you do to try to stop her, and how does a regional manager terrorize people "across the company"?

So today you are a tool, and that's much better.

No, today I'm a well-respected businessman and a well-loved employer.

Pity you're sorry lyin' ass will never know how good that feels...

What are you smoking? Shitty employees get retained, good employees get fired... if they aren't smart enough to quit.

I've never, ever fired a good employee.

I've fired peons like you, though...

Not that anyone believes you are a successful business owner.

Honestly, it doesn't matter to me what people here choose to believe about my business. See, you're the needy one in that you constantly seek validation. I don't...

You probably have some shitty little company that follows around bigger companies begging for business.

Begging is, I'm quite sure, your stock in trade.

I don't know what that's like...

I deal with your sort all the time.

If you dealt with "my sort" all the time, it would be a one time shot. See, "my sort" doesn't work with liars. We don't work with dishonest people.

You have admitted to being both...

That wasn't my job. My job was to review customer demands and place orders for product based on those demands. That job I did exceptionally well, as we never had a line down at the customer, nor did we have excessive inventory we ended up having to write off. (Which in that industry, is an accomplishment, it required very precise planning. They changed packaging designs several times a year and it was important to maintain PIPO and FIFO). I achieved substantial savings, which they didn't pass on to the customer, and the customer knew it.

It was not my job to make sure that sales people showed up at the customer and maintained those critical customer relationships, which is what these managers failed to do. They figured that the three year contract they signed, built new facilities to service, etc. was going to go on forever and ever and ever.

You really are a "pass the buck" kinda' guy.

Every single employee I have knows that they can freely com,e forward when they see something they think is amiss in an area which isn't within their purview. It's like those signs you see at the airport: "IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING"...

 

[Pogo]

So we've seen a few threads on these boards about how Gina Carano was fired by Disney after she repeatedly posted racist, conspiratorial and transphobic memes on Twitter, and someone decided that she wasn't the best person to have on your Fun Space Adventure for the Whole Family. Yes, after spending 4 BILLION to buy the rights to Star Wars, they didn't want some third tier actor dragging them into controversy they didn't need.

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Fun Space Adventure... Calling them "Younglings" so you don't have to say, "Killed Children"

Anyway, the Right Wing has gone apoplectic over this. How dare we punish this poor woman for merely expressing her opinion.

Of course, these were the same people who insisted that the NFL Fire Colin Kaepernick because he took a knee protesting police misconduct and killing of black people.

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Eventually, he was proven right when the country exploded into riots after George Floyd was murdered. Even big corporations got in on the act.

Then there were the Dixie Chicks. Remember them? They were a country band that expressed the opinion that our war with Iraq over weapons that didn't exist was probably a bad idea. (Actually, only one of them did, but they all paid for it.

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Eventually, they were proven right. Heck, you'd be hard pressed to find a Right Winger today who would argue the Iraq War was a good idea.

Then there was the grandmother of all "Cancel Culture", Jane Fonda. You remember Jane? She was the one who said our undeclared war in Vietnam was a terrible idea. Even humanized the people we were mercilessly bombing by visiting them.

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Well, she was proven right. The war was a bad idea. Not that it did her any good, people still denounced her as "Hanoi Jane" and her career was pretty much over by 1980.

Point is, the Right Wing was for Cancel Culture (really, "Consequence Culture") before they were against it.

So let the right wing outrage begin!!!

In the case of the Dixie Chicks (Natalie Maines) they were (a) performing in London when she quipped that they were ashamed as Texans that the POTUS was from their state, (b) in the process of introducing a song called "Travelin' Soldier", which made the topic pertinent, and (c) performing just after the largest worldwide protest this planet has ever seen against the imminent invasion of Iraq, an event which was well covered around the world everywhere except the so-called "liburrul media" of the US (and China). London had been of course heavily involved in that protest, an estimated two million in that city alone.

So basically the tongue-clicking social hall monitors of the music world were censoring them for expressing an opinion to a third party, in the third party's country, about who (else besides them) represented their own state.

"Manufactured outrage", like manufactured consent. Just as Kaepernick was quietly sitting out the national anthem making no waves wasn't noticed until some gadfly photographer snapped his picture to make "an issue" out of a private moment, some other gadfly went running back across the Atlantic to tattle. Like the kid in fourth grade who raises his hand and says "Miss Grundy, Joey and Tony are making fun of you". Because ve vill not tolerate das freedom von speech. Ve vill hunt you down even across das ocean.

The band are still active by the way, they've shortened their name to "The Chicks".

 

[Canon Shooter]

Why should the man have had to debase himself with a try-out?

Maybe because the 49'ers had a shit record, in 2016, Kaepernick's final year in the league. They finished last in thei9r division. They didn't win their second game until Christmas of that year...

Yeah, heaven forbid the media be there, and he performed well enough to where a lot of the teams could hardly justify NOT hiring him, given the mediocre talent we had.

The terms were worked out and agreed to prior to the event. Backing out 30 minutes beforehand painted Kaepernick as someone who would put his best interests before the best interests of the team. He's not a team player, you see...

I mean, seriously. The Bears have Trubinsky, a guy who is a far worse player than Kap.

You know what I think is really funny?

As much as you're whining about how shitty a quarterback Trubinsky is and how he still has a job, you're completely clueless as to whose roster he's on.

You're dismissed...

 

[Pogo]

So basically you're absolving yourself of the burden of penalizing Kaepernick's opinions ---- as long as somebody else takes it on FOR you. Way to hide behind a rock.

Um, exactly how does one penalize an opinion?

Now, if you actually meant to say penalizing Kaepernick for his opinions, I've never been real shy about sharing my thoughts about him or his actions so, no, I'm not hiding behind anything. I believe he has earned every single bad thing that happens to him...

I just said that. You're trying to hide behind the rock of "it wasn't me who fired him" while cheerleading those who do, and trying to sell this bullshit about, as you yourself said in the comment you CUT OUT: " as much as I don't have to like it, so does he need to live with the ramifications of his actions". You want to have it both ways --- you hope he never plays again, as some sort of weird penance for having an opinion, yet you want to wash your hands of that sentiment by having somebody else do it. You want it both ways. Oh and everything after that quote where you purport to speak for "what fans want", is self-ass-generated bullshit, so that has no basis. Now you're trying to blame mythological fans as well. Blame everybody but Numero Uno.

How do you penalize an opinion? Whelp, you write posts like you just did, you snap pictures of a quiet personal moment and point at it shreiking (still waiting for that link to "the shit-stained left" by the way), you corral your radio stations to drop the band from the playlist, you kick Linda Ronstadt out of the hotel that was booked, things like that. Of course all of those entities --- the radio stations, the hotels, the press --- have way more power than you do, don't they.

 

[Canon Shooter]

I just said that. You're trying to hide behind the rock of "it wasn't me who fired him" while cheerleading those who do, and trying to sell this bullshit about, as you yourself said in the comment you CUT OUT: " as much as I don't have to like it, so does he need to live with the ramifications of his actions". You want to have it both ways --- you hope he never plays again, as some sort of weird penance for having an opinion, yet you want to wash your hands of that sentiment by having somebody else do it. You want it both ways. Oh and everything after that quote where you purport to speak for "what fans want", is self-ass-generated bullshit, so that has no basis. Now you're trying to blame mythological fans as well. Blame everybody but Numero Uno.

Perhaps I should state the obvious: If I were in a position to fire him, I would've...

you snap pictures of a quiet personal moment and point at it shreiking

Oh, so you're talking about this picture:

 

[JoeB131]

Interesting.

You proclaim that my workplace is toxic, yet you've got a regional manager who terrorizes employees. What did you do to try to stop her, and how does a regional manager terrorize people "across the company"?

Oh, she got people fired for her mistakes... that's how terrorizing she was. I had a single run in with her, where she had this great new inventory system she invested in, and it failed miserably the first time it was tried. She tried to put the blame on me before the whole system was quietly scrapped and never spoken of again.

I don't work for that company... it's the one where i eventually got downsized after I busted up my knee.

Every single employee I have knows that they can freely com,e forward when they see something they think is amiss in an area which isn't within their purview. It's like those signs you see at the airport: "IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING"...

Unless you fire them for having conversations you don't like, or charge them with a crime because you didn't clearly define what they could put on their expense report.

Yeah, frankly, you don't sound like the kind of boss I could honestly have a discussion with. You sound like the kind of boss people hide problems from because you make them a lot worse.

 

[JoeB131]

You know what I think is really funny?

As much as you're whining about how shitty a quarterback Trubinsky is and how he still has a job, you're completely clueless as to whose roster he's on.

You're dismissed...

I know he was on the bears and he was awful. We'd have been better off with Kap.

We finally traded him? Thank God.

 

[JoeB131]

I've never, ever fired a good employee.

I've fired peons like you, though...

Again, you couldn't afford me, and I know how to avoid toxic bosses like you.

The terms were worked out and agreed to prior to the event. Backing out 30 minutes beforehand painted Kaepernick as someone who would put his best interests before the best interests of the team. He's not a team player, you see...

No, he just wasn't going to put up with their bullshit. Good on him. The NFL doesn't come off looking good on this at all.