Congressional panel investigating the origins of Covid finds that the virus originated in a lab .

You'll excuse anything Trump did.
There is nothing to ******* excuse! Trump didn't have anything to do with funding that experiment. Ever.

Fauci lied his ass off when it all went pear-shaped. He knew exactly what had been loosed on the world, and he pretended ignorance.

And he attacked anyone who suggested it was a lab experiment gone wrong, and he tried to destroy their scientific reputations for questioning his version of the origin.
 
But...but...but faucci told me it was...

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Are you brain dead? I know when the ban was lifted, it DID NOT affect that experiment. That experiment was funded before the ban, and it continued to receive funding after the ban. The 2017 lifting of the ban had ZERO impact on the experiment.

Fauci was the one controlling the budget at NIAID. Not the President. Of all the budgets under NIH, it is second only to the National Cancer Institute. Fauci controlled billions of research dollars every year. No one was second-guessing him. He made the decision that the ban would not affect EcoHealth Alliance's already approved experiments.
Sigh.

Let me show you the bigger picture.

Covid is a beta coronavirus. Its spike protein attacks the ACE-2 protein in humans, which is how it gets into the cell.

But there are DOZENS of other animals that have ACE-2's that look almost like the human version, or at least close enough so coronaviruses can get to them. In lieu of rattling off the list, I'll just show you the picture. Here:


There's so many of them you can't even read the chart at maximum magnification on a cell phone.

The red and blue parts of the circle are the important ones.

A link to the original article is in the picture

Once again: what is "function", and what kind of "gain" are they trying to achieve?
 
Despite the link I posted saying otherwise.
Your link does not say otherwise. Your link is the directive from the head of the NIH that lifted the funding pause, in January 2017.

I doubt it was even brought to Trump's attention at the time. Collins' boss was the Secretary of HHS, who at the time was an Obama appointee, Sylvia Burwell. That decision was made 2 or 3 layers of bureaucracy below the President.
 
Gain of function is legitimate and important scientific research.

Here's why:

Viruses EVOLVE. They don't just sit there, they CIRCULATE in any species that will host them - and while they're circulating, they mutate.

We have no idea how and why they mutate, but the fact is, they do. This is true of EVERY virus, not just the coronavirus. The mutation rates are amazingly fast, in the wild we can expect 2 to 4 new viral variants PER DAY.

The attack of a virus on a particular species occurs in the basis of the SHAPE of its cell surface proteins, and only secondarily on the specific protein sequences.

The history of gain of function goes back to the early 60's, but the best known example is INFLUENZA, which affects practically every human being.

Here, read this from Wikipedia:

In early 2011, two groups were investigating how flu viruses specific to birds could possibly cross over and create pandemics in humans: one led by Yoshihiro Kawaoka at the University of Wisconsin–Madison in Madison, Wisconsin, and another led by Ron Fouchier at Erasmus University Medical Center in the Netherlands.[24][25] Both groups had both serially passaged H5N1 avian influenza in ferrets, manually taking the virus from one ferret to another, until it was capable of spreading via respiratory droplets. The normally bird-specific virus, through replication over time in the ferrets' lungs, had adopted several amino acid changes that enabled it to replicate in the mammalian lungs, which are notably colder than those found in birds.[26][27] This small change also allowed the virus to transmit via droplets in the air made when the ferrets' coughed or sneezed.[24]

Proponents of the Kawaoka and Fouchier experiments cited several benefits: these answered the question of how a virus like H5N1 could possibly become airborne in humans, allowed other researchers to develop vaccines and therapeutics which specifically targeted these amino acid changes,[28][29][30] and also demonstrated that there was a linkage between transmissibility in avian viruses and lethality: while the virus had become more transmissible, it had also become significantly less deadly.[25][31][32] Various critics of the research (including members of Congress) responded to the publications with alarm. Others called the experiments an "engineered doomsday."[33] Questions were raised by other scientists including Marc Lipsitch of the T. H. Chan School of Public Health at Harvard University about the relative risks and benefits of this research.[34]

At an international technical consultation convened by the WHO it was concluded that this work was an important contribution to public health surveillance of H5N1 viruses and to a better understanding of the properties of these viruses, but that broader global discussions were needed. The European Academies of Science Advisory Council (EASAC) concluded that all required laws, rules, regulations, and codes of conduct are in place in several EU countries to continue this type of work responsibly. In the US, where regulations were previously less strict than in the EU, a new governmental policy and review mechanism was launched for "Potential Pandemic Pathogen Care and Oversight" (P3CO).

In May 2013, a group led by Hualan Chen, director of China's National Avian Influenza Reference Laboratory, published several experiments they had conducted at the BSL3+ laboratory of the Harbin Veterinary Research Institute, investigating what would happen if a 2009 H1N1 circulating in humans infected the same cell as an avian influenza H5N1.[35] Importantly, the experiments had been conducted before a research pause on H5N1 experiments had been agreed upon by the greater virologist community.[36][37] They used these experiments to determine that certain genes, if reassorted in such a dual-infection scenario in the wild, would allow transmission of the H5N1 virus more easily in mammals (notably guinea pigs as a model organism for rodent species), proving that certain agricultural scenarios carry the risk of allowing H5N1 to cross over into mammals. As in the Fouchier and Kawaoka experiments above, the viruses in this study were also significantly less lethal after the modification.[37][38]


Gain of function research has very little to do with lethality. It has to do with ACCESS.

But of course the ignorant fear mongering politicians want to make it about lethality.

From the same Wikipedia article (you don't have to read too far between the lines):

A preprint by Boston University researchers, published on 14 October 2022, described their experiments splicing the SARS-CoV-2 BA.1 Omicron's spike protein into an ancestral SARS-CoV-2 variant isolated in the early days of the pandemic, creating a new chimeric version of the virus. All of the six mice exposed to the ancestral variant died; eight of the ten mice exposed to the chimeric variant died; and none of the ten mice exposed to Omicron died. This suggests that "mutations outside of spike are major determinants of the attenuated pathogenicity of Omicron 209 in K18-hACE2 mice". According to the preprint, the work was supported by grants from various branches of the NIH. (However, the NIH later denied funding the experiments. The researchers later stated the NIH did not fund the experiments directly.)[39][40] On 17 October, the Daily Mail ran the headline "Boston University CREATES a new COVID strain that has an 80% kill rate—echoing dangerous experiments feared to have started the pandemic". (The headline was later flagged "as part of Facebook's efforts to combat false news and misinformation".
 
Your link does not say otherwise. Your link is the directive from the head of the NIH that lifted the funding pause, in January 2017.

I doubt it was even brought to Trump's attention at the time. Collins' boss was the Secretary of HHS, who at the time was an Obama appointee, Sylvia Burwell. That decision was made 2 or 3 layers of bureaucracy below the President.

It went like this.

Fauci: Mr President, Obama halted funding on research that is greatly needed.

Trump: Obama did this?

Fauci: yes.

Trump: Lifted.
 
Once again: what is "function", and what kind of "gain" are they trying to achieve?
I know how it works.

The gain of function is the improved ability to infect humans. The spike protein was engineered by Ralph Baric at UNC Chapel Hill and inserted into a recombinant SARS-COV backbone at the WIV.

The intent of the experiment was a Rube Goldberg scheme to create a version of SARS-COV that would be highly transmissible in humans, and release it into the bat population and allow it to attenuate naturally.

That version of the origin that NIH put out (which you linked previously) was widely panned by virologists.

And there was always the question of this mysterious population of infectious pangolins that no one ever even looked for, which would have been very useful to study had they actually existed...

...or why it emerged in Wuhan of all places, coincidentally the very place where these mad scientists were creating a super-coronavirus at the time...
 
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I know how it works.

The gain of function is the improved ability to infect humans.

NO, IT IS NOT.

It is the ability to attach to specific cell surface proteins in VARIOUS SPECIES.

The best studied species so far are farm animals.

Dead chickens affect our food supply. That's why we care.

The spike protein was engineered by Ralph Baric at UNC Chapel Hill and inserted into a recombinant SARS-COV backbone at the WIV.

The intent of the experiment was a Rube Goldberg scheme to create a version of SARS-COV that would be highly transmissible in humans, and release it into the bat population and allow it to attenuate naturally.

We know for a fact that the Russians and Chinese are engaged in viral bioweapon research

Would you rather we had an antidote or not?
 
NO, IT IS NOT.
Yes it is, according to the proposal that EcoHealth Alliance submitted.

Yes, there are many species besides Humans that have ACE2 receptors. That is irrelevant because the GOF intent was to make a Coronavirus from the original SARS virus that was more infectious in humans.
We know for a fact that the Russians and Chinese are engaged in viral bioweapon research

Would you rather we had an antidote or not?
That is a red herring argument. It is not an excuse to unleash a pandemic.

This is the proposal that EcoHealth Alliance submitted to DARPA. I do not have the NIAID repackaged version (maybe RFK will dig it up and release it), but this explains what they were up to.
 

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Yes it is, according to the proposal that EcoHealth Alliance submitted.

Yes, there are many species besides Humans that have ACE2 receptors. That is irrelevant because the GOF intent was to make a Coronavirus from the original SARS virus that was more infectious in humans.

You are mistaken.

Ralph Baric is one of the GOOD guys in this equation.

He warned about the dangers of his own research way back in 2015.

That is a red herring argument. It is not an excuse to unleash a pandemic.

You are echoing POLITICAL hype.

Here, read this part of the Congressional record, from the height of the pandemic. It's an excerpt from the MIT Technology Review.


We must strive to REMOVE the politics from the science.

Politicians are a bunch of lying ******* assholes.

Plus they're ignorant as hell, for the most part.

OF COURSE the spill came from a lab. The article tells you why. I used to work in a Level 4 bio-lab. Been there done that. It is a royal pain in the ass and it is entirely understandable why the Chinese would want to take shortcuts.
 
"Learn to care for those things you can control and to not worry about that which you can't control" means to focus your energy on managing the aspects of your life that are within your power, and to let go of stressing over situations or outcomes that are beyond your influence; essentially, prioritize taking action where you can and accept what you cannot change.


Key points to remember:
  • Identify what you can control:
    This includes your own thoughts, actions, choices, attitude, and how you react to situations.


  • Focus on taking action:
    When faced with a challenge, ask yourself w hat steps you can take to address it within your capabilities.


  • Accept what you cannot control:
    Recognize that external factors, other people's decisions, and certain events are often beyond your ability to change.


  • Practice mindfulness:
    Meditation and other mindfulness techniques can help you stay present and aware of when you are dwelling on things outside your control.
you are actually giving advice on self control ! when you cant even control yourself around something as simple as this ..

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You are mistaken.

Ralph Baric is one of the GOOD guys in this equation.

He warned about the dangers of his own research way back in 2015.



You are echoing POLITICAL hype.

Here, read this part of the Congressional record, from the height of the pandemic. It's an excerpt from the MIT Technology Review.


We must strive to REMOVE the politics from the science.

Politicians are a bunch of lying ******* assholes.

Plus they're ignorant as hell, for the most part.

OF COURSE the spill came from a lab. The article tells you why. I used to work in a Level 4 bio-lab. Been there done that. It is a royal pain in the ass and it is entirely understandable why the Chinese would want to take shortcuts.
That does not refute anything I said. It even says Baric was sharing GOF techniques and viruses with the WIV. The proposal I posted describes a greater role for Baric than the piece you posted.

A "good guy" who shared research that he knew was very dangerous, to a lab that he also knew did not have the protections in place to work with it?

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It also confirms what I said about the NIH continuing to fund the research in Wuhan during the ban.

We are in agreement as to the origin, I had read the published papers coming out of Wuhan in 2014 and 2015 and I already knew where it came from.

I do not oppose ALL research, I say it needs to be done thoughtfully, and if it goes sideways the authorities should not be covering it up.
 
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That does not refute anything I said. It even says Baric was sharing GOF techniques and viruses with the WIV. The proposal I posted describes a greater role for Baric than the piece you posted.

A "good guy" who shared research that he knew was very dangerous, to a lab that he also knew did not have the protections in place to work with it?

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It also confirms what I said about the NIH continuing to fund the research in Wuhan during the ban.

We are in agreement as to the origin, I had read the published papers coming out of Wuhan in 2014 and 2015 and I already knew where it came from.

I do not oppose ALL research, I say it needs to be done thoughtfully, and if it goes sideways the authorities should not be covering it up.
Agreed!

The human factor is what ultimately gets us.

In an L-4 it's 3 hours overhead on the way in, and about the same on the way out. So in an 8 hour day you can get about 2 hours of actual research done.

Today, we could probably automate a lot of it, but there's not enough of this work being done to make it financially worthwhile. It would be a great PhD project though.

It is true that China isn't quite as careful as we are, and it's also true that "we" weren't always as careful as we are now. If you read some of the research from the 60's it's a nightmare, universities were farming out research to graduate students to do in their own homes (mostly their garages, where they kept the rats). Decent protections began in the early to mid 70's, but just in the US - other countries didn't adopt the stringent controls till much later, and some even today take dangerous shortcuts.

The thing is, animal transmission in the wild is a reality, so people continue to argue about how worthwhile the protections actually are. This is why the bat lady operates in caves, because the bats are going to do their thing anyway, regardless of how careful humans are. And 8 hours in a cave is 8 hours of actual research, as distinct from 2 in the lab.

Any such research has to be funded, and it doesn't make sense not to fund it, because it's important research. Cell surface proteins are just now starting to be catalogued, there's thousands of them, each of which has sequence variations. Your ACE-2 may be different from mine, so maybe you're immune whereas I get sick, or vice versa. Influenza is more recombinant than sarbecovirus just because there's more chickens in the world, and the pharmas make money off the vaccines so they continue funding research even if the government doesn't. Isn't it interesting how the pharmas were ready and capable of creating a vaccine instantly, even though Covid was new and unknown? Well, that's both good and bad. We want that, in the case of a Russian bioweapon attack, but that means someone had to fund the research and someone had to do it.

In my opinion the cataloguing of cell surface proteins could now be done largely with AI, but it's still a complicated game. For example ion pores usually have 3 or 4 symmetric subunits, but 2 of them are usually different, with slightly different sequences. So for example spider venoms are a big area of research, there's all kinds of oddball spiders in South America - and some of the venoms are useful for research (like, they might specifically block the action of the D5 dopamine receptor while leaving the other 4 types alone - which is important for Parkinson's disease which affects millions of Americans).

What is interesting in the case of Covid is the relationship between toxicity and airborne transmission. That still kind of non-intuitive from a chemical standpoint, we need to learn more about it, and the only way to do that is by trying it. The spike protein only has a few thousand base pairs but that's a lot of combinations, that take years to create and study. So that's where we are. Our government can control safety here at home, but whether or not we fund the Chinese makes almost no difference to their research, and they may or may not share their findings with us.
 
Isn't it interesting how the pharmas were ready and capable of creating a vaccine instantly, even though Covid was new and unknown?
The "universal vaccine" was always Fauci's holy grail, and this was the grand experiment. Basically a programmable synthetic vaccine that doesn't need millions of eggs to produce in scale.

They had already developed the vaccine for the first SARS, but the virus went away on it's own before the vaccine could be finished. So it's not surprising to me what they did, and there were already other mRNA vaccines in more limited use.

The jury is still very much out in my opinion, the vaccines couldn't keep up with the virus anyway.
 
it appears that the lefts claims about the origin of COVID [which mysteriously coincided with their Chicom allies claims] coming from nature has been found to be false by a Congressional Panel investigating the origins of COVID .. said panel has found the yes Covid did originate in a lab ..

A recent Pentagon audit revealed significant shortcomings in tracking funds allocated to research activities in China, particularly concerning potential pathogen enhancement. The audit, conducted by the Department of Defense Office of Inspector General, found that the Pentagon did not maintain adequate records to determine whether taxpayer funds were used for research in Chinese labs from 2014 to 2023. Although no direct funding for pathogen enhancement was confirmed, the lack of detailed tracking raised concerns about oversight and accountability, especially given that over $1.4 billion was spent on overseas research during this period [1][6][8].

sources:
[1] Pentagon didn’t adequately track funds sent to Chinese research labs
[2] Exclusive | Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin ‘shielded’ biotech firms in gain-of-function research audit, GOP senator claims
[3] Management Advisory: Review of DoD Funds Provided to the People’s Republic of China and As
[4] Press Release: Management Advisory: Review of DoD Funds Provided to People’s Republic of C
[5] Ernst-Secured Investigation Will Prevent U.S. Defense Dollars From Being Diverted to Chinese Research | U.S. Senator Joni Ernst of Iowa
[6] Pentagon watchdog doesn’t know how much overseas gain-of-function research is done with US funds — despite $1.4B spent: report
[7] Ernst Forces Pentagon to Investigate Taxpayer-Funded Risky Research Overseas, Defund China’s Wuhan Lab
[8] https://media.defense.gov/2024/Jun/20/2003488653/-1/-1/1/DODIG-2024-099_SECURED.PDF


The Pentagon funded several projects that raised concerns regarding potential pathogen enhancement, particularly through grants to organizations like EcoHealth Alliance. Key projects included:

1. WuXi AppTec Grant: Over $6.5 million was directed to this company for testing antivirals against various pathogens, including SARS-CoV-2 and Ebola.
2. SARS Virus Research: $2 million was allocated for research involving non-modified SARS viruses in China and India.
3. Dengue and Ebola Studies: A grant of nearly $1.6 million involved exposing mice to modified Dengue and Ebola viruses.
4. EcoHealth Alliance Funding: The Pentagon provided over $47 million to EcoHealth since 2008, with concerns about its ties to the Wuhan Institute of Virology and risky coronavirus experiments[1][5].

sources:
[1] Pentagon watchdog doesn’t know how much overseas gain-of-function research is done with US funds — despite $1.4B spent: report
[2] Exclusive | Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin ‘shielded’ biotech firms in gain-of-function research audit, GOP senator claims
[3] Ernst Forces Pentagon to Investigate Taxpayer-Funded Risky Research Overseas, Defund China’s Wuhan Lab
[4] Ernst-Secured Investigation Will Prevent U.S. Defense Dollars From Being Diverted to Chinese Research | U.S. Senator Joni Ernst of Iowa
[5] Pentagon didn’t adequately track funds sent to Chinese research labs
[6] Pentagon's social science research program is on the chopping block
[7] EXCLUSIVE: How the Pentagon (quietly) spent $1 billion of inflation relief money - Breaking Defense
[8] Report: Scientists at center of 'lab leak' concerns misled Congress


Investigators faced several significant challenges in tracing funds related to Pentagon grants to Chinese labs:

1. Inadequate Tracking: The Pentagon did not maintain detailed records of how funds were spent by recipient organizations, making it difficult to trace the flow of money accurately[4][6].

2. Complex Subawarding: Organizations often subcontracted work to other entities without documenting these changes, complicating the tracking process further[4][6].

3. Data Limitations: Reports indicated that federal data on subawards was often incomplete or unreliable, hindering thorough investigations into funding allocations[4][6].

4. Bureaucratic Delays: The time constraints imposed by Congress limited the depth of the investigation, preventing a comprehensive review of all funding activities[6].

These issues collectively hindered efforts to determine whether funds were used for pathogen enhancement research in foreign labs.

Pentagon's top secrets ===> Pandora's box, probably lol. :)

sources:
[1] What Are the Main Barriers to Asset Tracing? | Global Investigations
[2] https://m.winstead.com/portalresour...ame=/CDR Essential Intelligence, Jan-2020.pdf
[3] https://www.s-rminform.com/srm-insights/fraud-asset-tracing-and-recovery-international-challenges
[4] Pentagon didn’t adequately track funds sent to Chinese research labs
[5] https://www.k2integrity.com/en/know...the-challenges-in-tracing-recoverable-assets/
[6] https://media.defense.gov/2024/Jun/20/2003488653/-1/-1/1/DODIG-2024-099_SECURED.PDF
[7] https://newmarketsvp.com/2024/03/11/asset-tracing-and-recovery/
[8] Report: Scientists at center of 'lab leak' concerns misled Congress
 

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