Conditions seem ideal for an Independent ticket to make a run in the 2024 presidential campaign

[Mac-7]

I surely agree. Conditions are ideal. But the problem is getting from here to there.

What's more frustrating to me is that, at least theoretically, the two major parties can't control "the media" any more, because there's just too damn much of it. Getting the word out should not be an issue.

So it may just be that We The People just don't care enough. Americans can tell you who won "Survivor™" this season, we can tell you about a funny video we made for TikTok™, but our political process? Meh, boring. Tell me how to make people give a shit, then we can discuss a third party. One step at a time.

What would be the platform for this 3rd party that millions of fence sitters can agree on?

 

[BrokeLoser]

Sorry. Been down this road with you before. You're simply not intelligent enough to follow. And you're an asshole to boot.

Got it Lefty….you can’t rationalize or articulate your position so its easier to bow out… Mac1958 and all irrational people know that play quite well.

 

[dblack]

Got it Lefty….you can’t rationalize or articulate ...

You don't do rational or articulate. As noted, you're an idiot and an asshole. Two strikes, you're out. ( I make up my own rules )

 

[BrokeLoser]

What would be the platform for this 3rd party that millions of fence sitters can agree on?

smaller, less influential government, responsible spending.
Pipe-dream shit that can’t be sold to the masses….UNFORTUNATELY

 

[BrokeLoser]

You don't do rational or articulate. As noted, you're an idiot and an asshole. Two strikes, you're out. ( I make up my own rules )

Hahaha…come on Lefty…give us the pitch….SELL US!
Don’t be scared, we won’t laugh at you.

 

[Mac1958]

Got it Lefty….you can’t rationalize or articulate your position so its easier to bow out… Mac1958 and all irrational people know that play quite well.

We just know when we're wasting our time on an unserious person.

If you want to think it's for another reason, that's neat.

 

[BrokeLoser]

What would be the platform for this 3rd party that millions of fence sitters can agree on?

dblack wants to tell you and Mac1958 that you should vote third party….he just can’t tell you what policies you should vote for.

 

[dblack]

Hahaha…come on Lefty…give us the pitch….SELL US!
Don’t be scared, we won’t laugh at you.

Find someone else to troll, jackoff.

 

[dblack]

dblack wants to tell you and Mac1958 that you should vote third party….he just can’t tell you what policies you should vote for.

:hand-jerking-off:

 

[BrokeLoser]

We just know when we're wasting our time on an unserious person.

If you want to think it's for another reason, that's neat.

When I realize someone often makes me look stupid with ease I’ll refuse to engage as well…I usually cite “waste of my time“ as well.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Find someone else to troll, jackoff.

Answer Mac-7 then….pretend I‘m not watching.
Go ahead…you have my permission

 

[dblack]

Answer Mac-7 then….pretend I‘m not watching.
Go ahead…you have my permission

:hand-jerking-off:

 

[dblack]

Everyone seems to forget that the states run elections; the states are controlled by one party or the other; and neither party at the state level is going to allow an ‘independent’ candidate anywhere near the primary process.

This is why most reform efforts are targeting the local and state levels. One of the more promising changes is that some state parties are using RCV for their primaries. This should mitigate the radicalization at that level, which is really where it all starts. As an example, Trump would have never survived the Republican primaries with an RCV style vote.

 

[WinterBorn]

The 2024 presidential election needs a strong RINO/DINO independent ticket. Based on the nominees of the last two elections, I believe the greater portion of the nation would prefer an alternative to the wing-nuts the major parties will serve up.

I thought that in 2016. Given the ridiculous choice between Hillary and Trump, I thought the Libertarian Party might finally do well with Gary Johnson.

I was wrong.

 

[dblack]

I thought that in 2016. Given the ridiculous choice between Hillary and Trump, I thought the Libertarian Party might finally do well with Gary Johnson.

I was wrong.

Yep. As long as lesser-of-two-evils is in play, it's not gonna happen. But that's changing.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I thought that in 2016. Given the ridiculous choice between Hillary and Trump, I thought the Libertarian Party might finally do well with Gary Johnson.

I was wrong.

Yet you still can't tell us which of Trumps policies were bad for Americans....the parroting of TDS rhetoric rolls on.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

In fact, I consider voter apathy a good sign. If government is operating within its proper limits it shouldn't matter that much, to most people, who is running things, because there's only so much damage they can do.

That sounds nice in theory, but in reality people just do not give a fuck what the government does unless it impacts them directly and harshly.

But the people in charge are smarter than that, thus the temp on the pot is raised very slowly

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Yep. As long as lesser-of-two-evils is in play, it's not gonna happen. But that's changing.

Is it really?

Trump won due to being the lesser-of-two-evils and then Biden won by being lesser-of-two-evils.

 

[Donald H]

I've been hoping for this for a long time, but I've reached a point where I'm just not expecting it.

If the 2020 election didn't demonstrate to the American people that we need a strong and viable independent party, nothing will. Two terrible candidates, after years of other terrible candidates.

I hope you're right, and I hope I'm wrong. But the kind of change you and I are hoping for may have to begin from within one of the "major" (ugh) parties, and I don't see that happening any time soon.

The opportunity was offered up in the last campaign for president but the Demos were afraid of embracing a more socialist candidate and instead considered the 'establishment's' candidate to be a safer choice.
And they bet right on Biden winning and so no lesson for the Dems can come out of that election.

However, now they're saddled with Biden and so they are almost certainly going to learn a much bigger lesson.

 

[dblack]

Is it really?

Yeah. Check out FairVote.org.

Trump won due to being the lesser-of-two-evils and then Biden won by being lesser-of-two-evils.

Yes. It's going to take time. And it'll need to be from the bottom up. The majors in DC aren't going to turn the tables voluntarily.