Comrade Trump Jr. compares Syrian Refugees to Skittles

[Dr.Traveler]

Oh, so we are a Christian nation now? LOL!!!

I have always believed we are, as do most people. And as a Christian I think that turning away those in need is a very unChristian thing to do. Jesus in the gospel helped Roman Centurions and non-Jewish people. We have that same call.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

We have not done that about Immigration in general, and certainly NOT about Muslim Immigration.

I went back to call this out in particular: You are claiming we haven't debated or addressed immigration. That is patently false. We have endless debates on immigration. In all of the time I've been alive immigration has always been bouncing around the national dialogue. We have passed multiple laws about immigration, set up different types and levels of visas, implemented paths to citizenship, and passed law after law to make it harder to employ illegal immigrants. We require those immigrating to be screened, to check in while here, to update visas, etc.

No one, no one, has ignored the immigration debate. We have been having this debate for a long long time. So don't paint this as some new debate. It is not. That is fundamentally dishonest.

 

[Correll]

You have admitted to the violence in question.


Yet you continue to dishonestly portray my concern about that violence as illegitimate.


Your position makes no sense.


IF the danger is real, then you don't get to dismiss it.

I have posted with you for some time. We have had some good discussions

I do not think you are a bigot, but I do believe you are a coward who is buying into hate rhetoric in some false sense of security. It is as American as apple pie....mistrusting those who are different...invoking harsh measures under the pretext of "being safe"

When a nation is faced with a policy choice, the costs, risks and RESULTS of that policy should be discussed seriously and honestly BEFORE HAND.


We have not done that about Immigration in general, and certainly NOT about Muslim Immigration.


I have been hearing liberals discussing Terrorism as part of the new normal.


That is a result that I do not want. DO you want that?


Because we have only to look at the issues we have NOW with a very small muslim population, to imaging what will happen if it grows.


Europe also gives US a look at what it could mean.


This is not "hate rhetoric".

This is a real and valid point that your side should be called on to address.


Instead, we get dismissals and accusations of cowardice and racism.


There is a very good chance that your side will win this debate with those tactics. And terrorism will become part of the new normal.


And a generation from now, people will be wondering how to deal with it, and people like you will be arguing that it is too late to change it, that we have to live with it.


We can stop it now. Or at least take steps to reduce it to a point where terrorism is still the outlier, and not normal.

What is with you Trump supporters?
A level of hate I have not seen since George Wallace

The guy starts his campaign with a vicious attack on Mexican immigrants and follows up with a ban on Muslims until "he feels safe"

Hillary is correct about alt-right
You guys scare me more than the terrorists

And once again to make his point the libs has to lie about what Trump said.

He did not "viciously attack Mexican immigrants".

He attacked the crime that comes in with ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.


It was not vicious. It was and is a valid issue.


When you dismiss valid complaints as "hate" you are race baiting.



I HAVE been hearing libs talk about Terrorism as the new normal.


That is not hate. That is the reality of the choice facing US.



Do you accept terrorism as part of the new normal? Or do you want policies to reduce it back down to an aberration?

What Trump said......Mexico sends its worst. Murderer's rapists, drug dealers

Not only is it wrong, it is racist and incites hate and fear against Mexicans

Why didn't Trump acknowledge the tens of millions of Mexicans who have crossed our borders to work, feed their families, pick our crops, clean our houses, mow our lawns. Hard working people who just want a better life

But no, Trump wants us to fear these people. They will kill you in your sleep. We need to build a wall, a big wall, a beautiful wall.....

1. It is not wrong. There is a lot of crime associated with illegal immigrants.

2. It is not racist. It is a valid issue.

3. It does not incite hatred. Dealing seriously and honestly with a problem is not inciting hatred. I do not hate illegal Mexicans. I just want them to go home.

4a He did acknowledge them. "Some are good people".


4b. But they are vastly increasing the supply of semi and unskilled labor, to the great detriment of our own semi and unskilled workers. It is not a good thing for America or Americans that they are here.


5. Trump wants US to deport these people back to their home countries. Sending people home is hardly the stuff of racist dystopias. Try to be less of a race baiting panic monger.

 

[rightwinger]

We are America

We pound our chest and tell the world we are "exceptional"
We are exceptional because we have high moral values, we are a nation built on accepting immigrants of all races, religions and ethnicities. America is known for doing the right thing

Banning people because of their faith, building walls to keep out the riff-raff

That is cowardice, it is not doing the right thing

Bullshit.

We are not obligated to take in all the worlds outcasts, or to bear all the world's burdens.


It is NOT cowardice to NOT expose our women and children to danger. It is NOT the right thing to get our fellow citizens killed for no good reason.

Give me your tired, your poor, the huddled masses yearning to breathe free....

Yeah, they need to remove that socialist's poem from the Statue.....

I know...Trump would sell the space to the highest bidder

 

[Correll]

We are America

We pound our chest and tell the world we are "exceptional"
We are exceptional because we have high moral values, we are a nation built on accepting immigrants of all races, religions and ethnicities. America is known for doing the right thing

Banning people because of their faith, building walls to keep out the riff-raff

That is cowardice, it is not doing the right thing

Bullshit.

We are not obligated to take in all the worlds outcasts, or to bear all the world's burdens.


It is NOT cowardice to NOT expose our women and children to danger. It is NOT the right thing to get our fellow citizens killed for no good reason.

Give me your tired, your poor, the huddled masses yearning to breathe free....

We have a finite ability to absorb and assimilate immigrants.

We exceeded that limit long ago.


Spouting platitudes does not change that.

 

[Correll]

Oh, so we are a Christian nation now? LOL!!!

I have always believed we are, as do most people. And as a Christian I think that turning away those in need is a very unChristian thing to do. Jesus in the gospel helped Roman Centurions and non-Jewish people. We have that same call.

Sorry, too many lefties have slammed conservatives for wanting to even discuss the role of Christianity in America.

Hell, too many lefties have slammed Christians for wanting to have a voice.


You don't get to use that card.

 

[Correll]

We have not done that about Immigration in general, and certainly NOT about Muslim Immigration.

I went back to call this out in particular: You are claiming we haven't debated or addressed immigration. That is patently false. We have endless debates on immigration. In all of the time I've been alive immigration has always been bouncing around the national dialogue. We have passed multiple laws about immigration, set up different types and levels of visas, implemented paths to citizenship, and passed law after law to make it harder to employ illegal immigrants. We require those immigrating to be screened, to check in while here, to update visas, etc.

No one, no one, has ignored the immigration debate. We have been having this debate for a long long time. So don't paint this as some new debate. It is not. That is fundamentally dishonest.

The left screaming "racist" at the right, is not a discussion.


I understand that will be hard for you to understand.

 

[rightwinger]

I have posted with you for some time. We have had some good discussions

I do not think you are a bigot, but I do believe you are a coward who is buying into hate rhetoric in some false sense of security. It is as American as apple pie....mistrusting those who are different...invoking harsh measures under the pretext of "being safe"

When a nation is faced with a policy choice, the costs, risks and RESULTS of that policy should be discussed seriously and honestly BEFORE HAND.


We have not done that about Immigration in general, and certainly NOT about Muslim Immigration.


I have been hearing liberals discussing Terrorism as part of the new normal.


That is a result that I do not want. DO you want that?


Because we have only to look at the issues we have NOW with a very small muslim population, to imaging what will happen if it grows.


Europe also gives US a look at what it could mean.


This is not "hate rhetoric".

This is a real and valid point that your side should be called on to address.


Instead, we get dismissals and accusations of cowardice and racism.


There is a very good chance that your side will win this debate with those tactics. And terrorism will become part of the new normal.


And a generation from now, people will be wondering how to deal with it, and people like you will be arguing that it is too late to change it, that we have to live with it.


We can stop it now. Or at least take steps to reduce it to a point where terrorism is still the outlier, and not normal.

What is with you Trump supporters?
A level of hate I have not seen since George Wallace

The guy starts his campaign with a vicious attack on Mexican immigrants and follows up with a ban on Muslims until "he feels safe"

Hillary is correct about alt-right
You guys scare me more than the terrorists

And once again to make his point the libs has to lie about what Trump said.

He did not "viciously attack Mexican immigrants".

He attacked the crime that comes in with ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.


It was not vicious. It was and is a valid issue.


When you dismiss valid complaints as "hate" you are race baiting.



I HAVE been hearing libs talk about Terrorism as the new normal.


That is not hate. That is the reality of the choice facing US.



Do you accept terrorism as part of the new normal? Or do you want policies to reduce it back down to an aberration?

What Trump said......Mexico sends its worst. Murderer's rapists, drug dealers

Not only is it wrong, it is racist and incites hate and fear against Mexicans

Why didn't Trump acknowledge the tens of millions of Mexicans who have crossed our borders to work, feed their families, pick our crops, clean our houses, mow our lawns. Hard working people who just want a better life

But no, Trump wants us to fear these people. They will kill you in your sleep. We need to build a wall, a big wall, a beautiful wall.....

1. It is not wrong. There is a lot of crime associated with illegal immigrants.

2. It is not racist. It is a valid issue.

3. It does not incite hatred. Dealing seriously and honestly with a problem is not inciting hatred. I do not hate illegal Mexicans. I just want them to go home.

4a He did acknowledge them. "Some are good people".


4b. But they are vastly increasing the supply of semi and unskilled labor, to the great detriment of our own semi and unskilled workers. It is not a good thing for America or Americans that they are here.


5. Trump wants US to deport these people back to their home countries. Sending people home is hardly the stuff of racist dystopias. Try to be less of a race baiting panic monger.

Trump spread hatred and fear

Mexicans are overwhelmingly hard workers and law abiding. Even the illegal ones.
Trump chose to invoke fear and hatred based on cherry picking crimes. All immigrant groups have had crime associated with them. Racists of the day sought to use that crime as a justification to pass restrictive legislation

Trump chose to ignore the big picture in order to focus on the few who are involved in illegal activities

Can you tell the difference between the phrase "Some are good people" and "Most are good people"?

 

[Correll]

When a nation is faced with a policy choice, the costs, risks and RESULTS of that policy should be discussed seriously and honestly BEFORE HAND.


We have not done that about Immigration in general, and certainly NOT about Muslim Immigration.


I have been hearing liberals discussing Terrorism as part of the new normal.


That is a result that I do not want. DO you want that?


Because we have only to look at the issues we have NOW with a very small muslim population, to imaging what will happen if it grows.


Europe also gives US a look at what it could mean.


This is not "hate rhetoric".

This is a real and valid point that your side should be called on to address.


Instead, we get dismissals and accusations of cowardice and racism.


There is a very good chance that your side will win this debate with those tactics. And terrorism will become part of the new normal.


And a generation from now, people will be wondering how to deal with it, and people like you will be arguing that it is too late to change it, that we have to live with it.


We can stop it now. Or at least take steps to reduce it to a point where terrorism is still the outlier, and not normal.

What is with you Trump supporters?
A level of hate I have not seen since George Wallace

The guy starts his campaign with a vicious attack on Mexican immigrants and follows up with a ban on Muslims until "he feels safe"

Hillary is correct about alt-right
You guys scare me more than the terrorists

And once again to make his point the libs has to lie about what Trump said.

He did not "viciously attack Mexican immigrants".

He attacked the crime that comes in with ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.


It was not vicious. It was and is a valid issue.


When you dismiss valid complaints as "hate" you are race baiting.



I HAVE been hearing libs talk about Terrorism as the new normal.


That is not hate. That is the reality of the choice facing US.



Do you accept terrorism as part of the new normal? Or do you want policies to reduce it back down to an aberration?

What Trump said......Mexico sends its worst. Murderer's rapists, drug dealers

Not only is it wrong, it is racist and incites hate and fear against Mexicans

Why didn't Trump acknowledge the tens of millions of Mexicans who have crossed our borders to work, feed their families, pick our crops, clean our houses, mow our lawns. Hard working people who just want a better life

But no, Trump wants us to fear these people. They will kill you in your sleep. We need to build a wall, a big wall, a beautiful wall.....

1. It is not wrong. There is a lot of crime associated with illegal immigrants.

2. It is not racist. It is a valid issue.

3. It does not incite hatred. Dealing seriously and honestly with a problem is not inciting hatred. I do not hate illegal Mexicans. I just want them to go home.

4a He did acknowledge them. "Some are good people".


4b. But they are vastly increasing the supply of semi and unskilled labor, to the great detriment of our own semi and unskilled workers. It is not a good thing for America or Americans that they are here.


5. Trump wants US to deport these people back to their home countries. Sending people home is hardly the stuff of racist dystopias. Try to be less of a race baiting panic monger.

Trump spread hatred and fear

Mexicans are overwhelmingly hard workers and law abiding. Even the illegal ones.
Trump chose to invoke fear and hatred based on cherry picking crimes. All immigrant groups have had crime associated with them. Racists of the day sought to use that crime as a justification to pass restrictive legislation

Trump chose to ignore the big picture in order to focus on the few who are involved in illegal activities

Can you tell the difference between the phrase "Some are good people" and "Most are good people"?

NO ILLEGALS are law abiding. By definition.


WE cannot have a real discussion on illegal immigration is all you lefties do is scream "racist".


Being against Illegal Immigration, and wanting to deport people that are here illegally is not racist.


It is not hate.

YOu calling it that, is tearing this nation apart.


You are calling half the nation, racists and haters when you do that.


And we are getting increasingly pissed off about it.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

I have been hearing liberals discussing Terrorism as part of the new normal.

https://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_AmericanTerrorismDeaths_FactSheet_Oct2015.pdf

This covers the number of terrorist attacks since 1994. We've been on the decline in number of attacks since the 90's.

Terrorism in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This covers terrorist attacks over the course of US history. Notice we have had attacks that could be defined as Terrorism since the 1800's.

You're trying to paint terrorism as some new thing, but it really isn't. If you're concerned it's part of the new normal, well then I'm sorry but that's been the normal since near the birth of the nation. We've always had terrorism and we always will. Banning a group from immigrating isn't going to stop terrorism.

tl;dr version: Terrorism has always existed. There is no new normal. Just the same normal we've had for centuries.

That there has been terror attacks in the past does not mean that it has been consider part of the normal environment in the past.


I have certainly not felt that way during my life.


And the libs that describe it as part of the "new normal" are making the argument that this is a big change now.


And vastly increasing the size of the population of muslims will make it an even bigger part of normal daily life.


I am against this. I support Trump because I think American policy should be ANTI-TERRORISM, especially Domestic Terrorism.



I appreciate your honesty in opening supporting Terrorism as part of normal daily life for Americans.

Oh bullcrap. We have always, will always, be anti-terrorism.

What I debate is the idea the mistaken idea that terrorism is some new thing. It most definitely is not. It has been around, here in the USA for a good long time and we are damned good at fighting it domestically. When people start claiming this is some new thing then they overreact, something we very much did after 9/11 in many many ways. Which people are doing now. It is also hardly unique to Muslims.

Let's break down just the 2010 to present entry on Wikipedia:
Terrorism in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

• Austin Suicide Attack: American Joseph Stack
• Pentagon Shooting: John Patrick Bedell
• Discovery Communications Hostage Crisis: James J. Lee (anti-Population and immigration activist)
• Wisconsin Sikh Temple Shooting: White Supremacist terrorism
• Boston Marathon Bombing: Two folks of Chechen descent
• Ricin Letters: Evertt Duschke
• LA International Airport Shooting: Anti Government terrorism
• Wichita Bombing: Radicalized Muslim
• Overland Park Jewish Community Shooting: Neo Nazi Terrorism
• Las Vegas Shootings: Anti-Government terrorists
• New York Hatchet Attack: Radicalized Muslim
• Nov 2014 Austin Texas: Anti-Government Terrorist
• Sony Hack: North Korea cyber terrorism event
• Dec 2015 New York Officer Shootings: BLM terrorist (this is being too simple here, but attack was motivated by police violence)
• Curtis Culwell Center: Radicalized Muslims
• Charleston Church Shooting: White Supremacist Terrorism
• Chattanooga Shooting: Likely Radicalize Muslim
• Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood Shooting: Anti-Abortion terrorist.
• San Bernadino: Radicalized Muslims
• Orlando Shooting: One fucked up dude (Radicalized Muslim is making this one too easy. Likely motivated by self loathing issues, etc).

That's 20 attacks. If you assume Orlando is the responsibility of a radicalized Muslim (and again I think that's too simple) then you have 7 of those attacks related to radicalized Muslims. The rest is the usual grab bag of racists and anti-government loons.

It's also worth noting that if you dig in deeper, you'd find that of those 7 attacks you can contribute to radicalized Muslims, most of those wouldn't be stopped by tighter immigration. Those folks for the most part were legal citizens that lived here their whole life. Their parents were the ones that immigrated and by all accounts are and remain good citizens.

Aside: I'm actually surprised there's no eco-terrorism in that list. When I was growing up Eco-terrorists were pretty active.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

1. It is not wrong. There is a lot of crime associated with illegal immigrants.

2. It is not racist. It is a valid issue.

3. It does not incite hatred. Dealing seriously and honestly with a problem is not inciting hatred. I do not hate illegal Mexicans. I just want them to go home.

4a He did acknowledge them. "Some are good people".


4b. But they are vastly increasing the supply of semi and unskilled labor, to the great detriment of our own semi and unskilled workers. It is not a good thing for America or Americans that they are here.


5. Trump wants US to deport these people back to their home countries. Sending people home is hardly the stuff of racist dystopias. Try to be less of a race baiting panic monger.

Inherently the debate about what to do over illegal immigration is NOT a racist debate. It is absolutely not. In fact, a compassionate society has to have this debate. Illegal Immigrants are treated roughly like slaves. They're forced to work in horrible conditions, are mistreated, and have no legal recourse. The smugglers moving immigrants across the boarders have no care at all about human lives and folks frequently die in the transmission while traffickers get rich. Corporations and businesses make huge profits on the backs of folks with no legal recourse at all. It's a terrible issue and needs talking about.

Where a lot of folks, Trump included, get into trouble is when they start using negative stereotypes to appeal to emotions to win this debate. Saying these guys coming over illegally are the "worst of worst" or are "rapists, murders, and thugs" automatically turns folks off. Spend much time with a Mexican immigrant, legal or illegal, and you'll see these guys are hard working, skilled folks. They'd make fine citizens.

I'm very much in favor of drastic and draconian punishments for businesses caught using illegals. I'm also not against border enforcement, though I think the physical wall is about the stupidest and most expensive way to fail at doing it. But I want to have this debate through the lens of what's best for the American worker and for the guy in Mexico who wants to come here and work at a job most US workers don't want.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Oh, so we are a Christian nation now? LOL!!!

I have always believed we are, as do most people. And as a Christian I think that turning away those in need is a very unChristian thing to do. Jesus in the gospel helped Roman Centurions and non-Jewish people. We have that same call.

Sorry, too many lefties have slammed conservatives for wanting to even discuss the role of Christianity in America.

Hell, too many lefties have slammed Christians for wanting to have a voice.


You don't get to use that card.

Eh. I'll play the cards I'd like to play. I'm a Christian, have been my whole life. I see it as a Christian nation and as such I want to see us act compassionately. Closing off refugees isn't an act of compassion.

We can agree to disagree, but again, if those Christian principles are to mean anything than we have to be willing to be compassionate when it is tough and not easy to be so. This is one of those times.

 

[Correll]

I have been hearing liberals discussing Terrorism as part of the new normal.

https://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_AmericanTerrorismDeaths_FactSheet_Oct2015.pdf

This covers the number of terrorist attacks since 1994. We've been on the decline in number of attacks since the 90's.

Terrorism in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This covers terrorist attacks over the course of US history. Notice we have had attacks that could be defined as Terrorism since the 1800's.

You're trying to paint terrorism as some new thing, but it really isn't. If you're concerned it's part of the new normal, well then I'm sorry but that's been the normal since near the birth of the nation. We've always had terrorism and we always will. Banning a group from immigrating isn't going to stop terrorism.

tl;dr version: Terrorism has always existed. There is no new normal. Just the same normal we've had for centuries.

That there has been terror attacks in the past does not mean that it has been consider part of the normal environment in the past.


I have certainly not felt that way during my life.


And the libs that describe it as part of the "new normal" are making the argument that this is a big change now.


And vastly increasing the size of the population of muslims will make it an even bigger part of normal daily life.


I am against this. I support Trump because I think American policy should be ANTI-TERRORISM, especially Domestic Terrorism.



I appreciate your honesty in opening supporting Terrorism as part of normal daily life for Americans.

Oh bullcrap. We have always, will always, be anti-terrorism.
...active.

No, when you accept that your policy will increase terrorism and still actively support that policy, you are not "anti-terrorism".

 

[Correll]

1. It is not wrong. There is a lot of crime associated with illegal immigrants.

2. It is not racist. It is a valid issue.

3. It does not incite hatred. Dealing seriously and honestly with a problem is not inciting hatred. I do not hate illegal Mexicans. I just want them to go home.

4a He did acknowledge them. "Some are good people".


4b. But they are vastly increasing the supply of semi and unskilled labor, to the great detriment of our own semi and unskilled workers. It is not a good thing for America or Americans that they are here.


5. Trump wants US to deport these people back to their home countries. Sending people home is hardly the stuff of racist dystopias. Try to be less of a race baiting panic monger.

Inherently the debate about what to do over illegal immigration is NOT a racist debate. It is absolutely not. In fact, a compassionate society has to have this debate. Illegal Immigrants are treated roughly like slaves. They're forced to work in horrible conditions, are mistreated, and have no legal recourse. The smugglers moving immigrants across the boarders have no care at all about human lives and folks frequently die in the transmission while traffickers get rich. Corporations and businesses make huge profits on the backs of folks with no legal recourse at all. It's a terrible issue and needs talking about.

Where a lot of folks, Trump included, get into trouble is when they start using negative stereotypes to appeal to emotions to win this debate. Saying these guys coming over illegally are the "worst of worst" or are "rapists, murders, and thugs" automatically turns folks off. Spend much time with a Mexican immigrant, legal or illegal, and you'll see these guys are hard working, skilled folks. They'd make fine citizens.

I'm very much in favor of drastic and draconian punishments for businesses caught using illegals. I'm also not against border enforcement, though I think the physical wall is about the stupidest and most expensive way to fail at doing it. But I want to have this debate through the lens of what's best for the American worker and for the guy in Mexico who wants to come here and work at a job most US workers don't want.

Except that the "job most US workers don't want" is a lie.

 

[Correll]

Oh, so we are a Christian nation now? LOL!!!

I have always believed we are, as do most people. And as a Christian I think that turning away those in need is a very unChristian thing to do. Jesus in the gospel helped Roman Centurions and non-Jewish people. We have that same call.

Sorry, too many lefties have slammed conservatives for wanting to even discuss the role of Christianity in America.

Hell, too many lefties have slammed Christians for wanting to have a voice.


You don't get to use that card.

Eh. I'll play the cards I'd like to play. I'm a Christian, have been my whole life. I see it as a Christian nation and as such I want to see us act compassionately. Closing off refugees isn't an act of compassion.

We can agree to disagree, but again, if those Christian principles are to mean anything than we have to be willing to be compassionate when it is tough and not easy to be so. This is one of those times.

Charity begins at home.


Our ability to absorb immigrants has been completely exceeded long ago.

 

[rightwinger]

What is with you Trump supporters?
A level of hate I have not seen since George Wallace

The guy starts his campaign with a vicious attack on Mexican immigrants and follows up with a ban on Muslims until "he feels safe"

Hillary is correct about alt-right
You guys scare me more than the terrorists

And once again to make his point the libs has to lie about what Trump said.

He did not "viciously attack Mexican immigrants".

He attacked the crime that comes in with ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.


It was not vicious. It was and is a valid issue.


When you dismiss valid complaints as "hate" you are race baiting.



I HAVE been hearing libs talk about Terrorism as the new normal.


That is not hate. That is the reality of the choice facing US.



Do you accept terrorism as part of the new normal? Or do you want policies to reduce it back down to an aberration?

What Trump said......Mexico sends its worst. Murderer's rapists, drug dealers

Not only is it wrong, it is racist and incites hate and fear against Mexicans

Why didn't Trump acknowledge the tens of millions of Mexicans who have crossed our borders to work, feed their families, pick our crops, clean our houses, mow our lawns. Hard working people who just want a better life

But no, Trump wants us to fear these people. They will kill you in your sleep. We need to build a wall, a big wall, a beautiful wall.....

1. It is not wrong. There is a lot of crime associated with illegal immigrants.

2. It is not racist. It is a valid issue.

3. It does not incite hatred. Dealing seriously and honestly with a problem is not inciting hatred. I do not hate illegal Mexicans. I just want them to go home.

4a He did acknowledge them. "Some are good people".


4b. But they are vastly increasing the supply of semi and unskilled labor, to the great detriment of our own semi and unskilled workers. It is not a good thing for America or Americans that they are here.


5. Trump wants US to deport these people back to their home countries. Sending people home is hardly the stuff of racist dystopias. Try to be less of a race baiting panic monger.

Trump spread hatred and fear

Mexicans are overwhelmingly hard workers and law abiding. Even the illegal ones.
Trump chose to invoke fear and hatred based on cherry picking crimes. All immigrant groups have had crime associated with them. Racists of the day sought to use that crime as a justification to pass restrictive legislation

Trump chose to ignore the big picture in order to focus on the few who are involved in illegal activities

Can you tell the difference between the phrase "Some are good people" and "Most are good people"?

NO ILLEGALS are law abiding. By definition.


WE cannot have a real discussion on illegal immigration is all you lefties do is scream "racist".


Being against Illegal Immigration, and wanting to deport people that are here illegally is not racist.


It is not hate.

YOu calling it that, is tearing this nation apart.


You are calling half the nation, racists and haters when you do that.


And we are getting increasingly pissed off about it.

There is a big difference in not having proper documentation and being a murderer, rapist and drug dealer

Screaming racist is appropriate when commenting on racist statements

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Did anyone else notice Junior's punctuation sucks? Take a look at the graphic the idiot posted.

He must have been edumacated at Trump U.

Does anyone else notice that g5000 is grasping at straws?

That's his shtick. That and talking about pants shitting and piss drinking. He's mentally ill that one.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

And once again to make his point the libs has to lie about what Trump said.

He did not "viciously attack Mexican immigrants".

He attacked the crime that comes in with ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.


It was not vicious. It was and is a valid issue.


When you dismiss valid complaints as "hate" you are race baiting.



I HAVE been hearing libs talk about Terrorism as the new normal.


That is not hate. That is the reality of the choice facing US.



Do you accept terrorism as part of the new normal? Or do you want policies to reduce it back down to an aberration?

What Trump said......Mexico sends its worst. Murderer's rapists, drug dealers

Not only is it wrong, it is racist and incites hate and fear against Mexicans

Why didn't Trump acknowledge the tens of millions of Mexicans who have crossed our borders to work, feed their families, pick our crops, clean our houses, mow our lawns. Hard working people who just want a better life

But no, Trump wants us to fear these people. They will kill you in your sleep. We need to build a wall, a big wall, a beautiful wall.....

1. It is not wrong. There is a lot of crime associated with illegal immigrants.

2. It is not racist. It is a valid issue.

3. It does not incite hatred. Dealing seriously and honestly with a problem is not inciting hatred. I do not hate illegal Mexicans. I just want them to go home.

4a He did acknowledge them. "Some are good people".


4b. But they are vastly increasing the supply of semi and unskilled labor, to the great detriment of our own semi and unskilled workers. It is not a good thing for America or Americans that they are here.


5. Trump wants US to deport these people back to their home countries. Sending people home is hardly the stuff of racist dystopias. Try to be less of a race baiting panic monger.

Trump spread hatred and fear

Mexicans are overwhelmingly hard workers and law abiding. Even the illegal ones.
Trump chose to invoke fear and hatred based on cherry picking crimes. All immigrant groups have had crime associated with them. Racists of the day sought to use that crime as a justification to pass restrictive legislation

Trump chose to ignore the big picture in order to focus on the few who are involved in illegal activities

Can you tell the difference between the phrase "Some are good people" and "Most are good people"?

NO ILLEGALS are law abiding. By definition.


WE cannot have a real discussion on illegal immigration is all you lefties do is scream "racist".


Being against Illegal Immigration, and wanting to deport people that are here illegally is not racist.


It is not hate.

YOu calling it that, is tearing this nation apart.


You are calling half the nation, racists and haters when you do that.


And we are getting increasingly pissed off about it.

There is a big difference in not having proper documentation and being a murderer, rapist and drug dealer

Screaming racist is appropriate when commenting on racist statements

RACIST!!!!!!

 

[rightwinger]

1. It is not wrong. There is a lot of crime associated with illegal immigrants.

2. It is not racist. It is a valid issue.

3. It does not incite hatred. Dealing seriously and honestly with a problem is not inciting hatred. I do not hate illegal Mexicans. I just want them to go home.

4a He did acknowledge them. "Some are good people".


4b. But they are vastly increasing the supply of semi and unskilled labor, to the great detriment of our own semi and unskilled workers. It is not a good thing for America or Americans that they are here.


5. Trump wants US to deport these people back to their home countries. Sending people home is hardly the stuff of racist dystopias. Try to be less of a race baiting panic monger.

Inherently the debate about what to do over illegal immigration is NOT a racist debate. It is absolutely not. In fact, a compassionate society has to have this debate. Illegal Immigrants are treated roughly like slaves. They're forced to work in horrible conditions, are mistreated, and have no legal recourse. The smugglers moving immigrants across the boarders have no care at all about human lives and folks frequently die in the transmission while traffickers get rich. Corporations and businesses make huge profits on the backs of folks with no legal recourse at all. It's a terrible issue and needs talking about.

Where a lot of folks, Trump included, get into trouble is when they start using negative stereotypes to appeal to emotions to win this debate. Saying these guys coming over illegally are the "worst of worst" or are "rapists, murders, and thugs" automatically turns folks off. Spend much time with a Mexican immigrant, legal or illegal, and you'll see these guys are hard working, skilled folks. They'd make fine citizens.

I'm very much in favor of drastic and draconian punishments for businesses caught using illegals. I'm also not against border enforcement, though I think the physical wall is about the stupidest and most expensive way to fail at doing it. But I want to have this debate through the lens of what's best for the American worker and for the guy in Mexico who wants to come here and work at a job most US workers don't want.

The biggest complaint against illegal Mexican immigrants is they have the wrong paperwork
Lets get them the right paperwork. Give out temporary work visas. Allow them to go across the border and back with human dignity. Let them pay taxes, participate in their communities, not live in fear

Those that succeed can be given citizenship

 

[Dr.Traveler]

I have been hearing liberals discussing Terrorism as part of the new normal.

https://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_AmericanTerrorismDeaths_FactSheet_Oct2015.pdf

This covers the number of terrorist attacks since 1994. We've been on the decline in number of attacks since the 90's.

Terrorism in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This covers terrorist attacks over the course of US history. Notice we have had attacks that could be defined as Terrorism since the 1800's.

You're trying to paint terrorism as some new thing, but it really isn't. If you're concerned it's part of the new normal, well then I'm sorry but that's been the normal since near the birth of the nation. We've always had terrorism and we always will. Banning a group from immigrating isn't going to stop terrorism.

tl;dr version: Terrorism has always existed. There is no new normal. Just the same normal we've had for centuries.

That there has been terror attacks in the past does not mean that it has been consider part of the normal environment in the past.


I have certainly not felt that way during my life.


And the libs that describe it as part of the "new normal" are making the argument that this is a big change now.


And vastly increasing the size of the population of muslims will make it an even bigger part of normal daily life.


I am against this. I support Trump because I think American policy should be ANTI-TERRORISM, especially Domestic Terrorism.



I appreciate your honesty in opening supporting Terrorism as part of normal daily life for Americans.

Oh bullcrap. We have always, will always, be anti-terrorism.
...active.

No, when you accept that your policy will increase terrorism and still actively support that policy, you are not "anti-terrorism".

Selling guns and fertilizer increases terrorism too, as it provides the materials to launch a successful attack. Are you in favor of banning the sale of those products?

And before you start, don't give the "Counterbalancing benefit" argument because letting folks in provides the same counterbalancing benefit argument too.