Comparing two Republican Presidents

[IM2]

When America was struck on 9-11, an attack far worse than what happened to Charlie Kirk, President GW Bush did this:

Bush’s Empty Words on Post-9/11 Tolerance Were Good, Actually​

The White House once felt an obligation to stave off vigilante violence against Muslim Americans, not stoke it.​

On Sept. 11, 2001, I was 11 years old, in a Muslim school in northern New Jersey, just a few minutes’ drive from lower Manhattan where the Twin Towers burned. My dad worked as a driver in that area, so when the planes crashed and my school was evacuated, all I could think about was if I’d ever get to see my dad again. He made it home eventually, but many others didn’t. I remember feeling that day that I was under attack as an American.

In the next few days, I’d feel under attack as a Muslim. Our imam at our masjid brought to the prayer a big box stuffed with tiny American flags. He told us that if any of us felt unsafe, we could hang these flags out of our cars or out of our homes. Stories about Muslim women in hijabs and Muslim men with big beards being accosted in the street in hateful “revenge” attacks became commonplace. An FBI hotline was flooded with anonymous tips—96,000 of them in the week after the attacks—and the bar for being suspicious felt as low as being visibly Muslim. It didn’t feel safe to be Muslim outside of the mosque.

All over the country, not just my corner of Jersey, hate crimes against Muslims—and anyone perceived to be Muslim—soared in the days after 9/11. The White House sought to stave off a full-blown wave of violence. President George W. Bush quickly made the distinction between Muslim Americans and the terrorists who attacked us. On Sept. 17, Bush famously gave a speech from inside the Islamic Center of Washington. “The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam,” he said. “That’s not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace.”

He’d go on to reaffirm this position several times in the weeks after, saying, “The war against terrorism is not a war against Muslims, nor is it a war against Arabs.” Another time: “The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends.” And: “The Muslim faith is based upon peace and love and compassion. The exact opposite of the teachings of the al-Qaida organization, which is based upon evil and hate and destruction.”

Bush’s Empty Words on Post-9/11 Tolerance Were Good, Actually

The White House once felt an obligation to stave off vigilante violence against Muslim Americans, not stoke it.

slate.com

I did not like GW Bush. Thanks to Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld, who came from his father's administration, we ended up starting a war for no reason. But before that mistake, he did what I posted above. He did not go on ranting about the violent Muslims, no one in his administration threatened to go after anything they thought was Muslim, he didn't threaten the media to fire anyone who made jokes about him. Dick Cheney didn't urge the nation to doxx or compile lists. They did none of what we see right now.

I didn't like GW Bush, but he was a far better president and human being than the republican who is President today.

 

[Meister]

Appreciate your opinion on the matter, IM2

 

[gipper]

When America was struck on 9-11, an attack far worse than what happened to Charlie Kirk, President GW Bush did this:

Bush’s Empty Words on Post-9/11 Tolerance Were Good, Actually​

The White House once felt an obligation to stave off vigilante violence against Muslim Americans, not stoke it.​

On Sept. 11, 2001, I was 11 years old, in a Muslim school in northern New Jersey, just a few minutes’ drive from lower Manhattan where the Twin Towers burned. My dad worked as a driver in that area, so when the planes crashed and my school was evacuated, all I could think about was if I’d ever get to see my dad again. He made it home eventually, but many others didn’t. I remember feeling that day that I was under attack as an American.

In the next few days, I’d feel under attack as a Muslim. Our imam at our masjid brought to the prayer a big box stuffed with tiny American flags. He told us that if any of us felt unsafe, we could hang these flags out of our cars or out of our homes. Stories about Muslim women in hijabs and Muslim men with big beards being accosted in the street in hateful “revenge” attacks became commonplace. An FBI hotline was flooded with anonymous tips—96,000 of them in the week after the attacks—and the bar for being suspicious felt as low as being visibly Muslim. It didn’t feel safe to be Muslim outside of the mosque.

All over the country, not just my corner of Jersey, hate crimes against Muslims—and anyone perceived to be Muslim—soared in the days after 9/11. The White House sought to stave off a full-blown wave of violence. President George W. Bush quickly made the distinction between Muslim Americans and the terrorists who attacked us. On Sept. 17, Bush famously gave a speech from inside the Islamic Center of Washington. “The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam,” he said. “That’s not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace.”

He’d go on to reaffirm this position several times in the weeks after, saying, “The war against terrorism is not a war against Muslims, nor is it a war against Arabs.” Another time: “The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends.” And: “The Muslim faith is based upon peace and love and compassion. The exact opposite of the teachings of the al-Qaida organization, which is based upon evil and hate and destruction.”

Bush’s Empty Words on Post-9/11 Tolerance Were Good, Actually

The White House once felt an obligation to stave off vigilante violence against Muslim Americans, not stoke it.

slate.com

I did not like GW Bush. Thanks to Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld, who came from his father's administration, we ended up starting a war for no reason. But before that mistake, he did what I posted above. He did not go on ranting about the violent Muslims, no one in his administration threatened to go after anything they thought was Muslim, he didn't threaten the media to fire anyone who made jokes about him. Dick Cheney didn't urge the nation to doxx or compile lists. They did none of what we see right now.

I didn't like GW Bush, but he was a far better president and human being than the republican who is President today.

No way. Bush is responsible for an estimated one million deaths in Iraq alone, all based on lies he knew were lies. He implemented the unconstitutional Patriot Act.

Until Trump kills a million people and invades and occupies two foreign nations, he’s obviously not as bad as W.

This in no way means I support dumb Don. He certainly could surpass W in evilness before he’s done.

 

[Grumblenuts]

I didn't like GW Bush, but he was a far better president and human being than the republican who is President today.

Sadly true. Cheney may have been worse than the adjudicated rapist.

 

[IM2]

No way. Bush is responsible for an estimated one million deaths in Iraq alone, all based on lies he knew were lies. He implemented the unconstitutional Patriot Act.

Until Trump kills a million people and invades and occupies two foreign nations, he’s obviously not as bad as W.

This in no way means I support dumb Don. He certainly could surpass W in evilness before he’s done.

I'm talking about domestic things here. There is no doubt that Bushs Iraq stuff was way wrong and immoral. But Bush did not summon domestic violence against Americans who didn't gree with a prticular ideology. That's the topic here.

 

[g5000]

When America was struck on 9-11, an attack far worse than what happened to Charlie Kirk, President GW Bush did this:

Bush’s Empty Words on Post-9/11 Tolerance Were Good, Actually​

The White House once felt an obligation to stave off vigilante violence against Muslim Americans, not stoke it.​

On Sept. 11, 2001, I was 11 years old, in a Muslim school in northern New Jersey, just a few minutes’ drive from lower Manhattan where the Twin Towers burned. My dad worked as a driver in that area, so when the planes crashed and my school was evacuated, all I could think about was if I’d ever get to see my dad again. He made it home eventually, but many others didn’t. I remember feeling that day that I was under attack as an American.

In the next few days, I’d feel under attack as a Muslim. Our imam at our masjid brought to the prayer a big box stuffed with tiny American flags. He told us that if any of us felt unsafe, we could hang these flags out of our cars or out of our homes. Stories about Muslim women in hijabs and Muslim men with big beards being accosted in the street in hateful “revenge” attacks became commonplace. An FBI hotline was flooded with anonymous tips—96,000 of them in the week after the attacks—and the bar for being suspicious felt as low as being visibly Muslim. It didn’t feel safe to be Muslim outside of the mosque.

All over the country, not just my corner of Jersey, hate crimes against Muslims—and anyone perceived to be Muslim—soared in the days after 9/11. The White House sought to stave off a full-blown wave of violence. President George W. Bush quickly made the distinction between Muslim Americans and the terrorists who attacked us. On Sept. 17, Bush famously gave a speech from inside the Islamic Center of Washington. “The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam,” he said. “That’s not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace.”

He’d go on to reaffirm this position several times in the weeks after, saying, “The war against terrorism is not a war against Muslims, nor is it a war against Arabs.” Another time: “The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends.” And: “The Muslim faith is based upon peace and love and compassion. The exact opposite of the teachings of the al-Qaida organization, which is based upon evil and hate and destruction.”

Bush’s Empty Words on Post-9/11 Tolerance Were Good, Actually

The White House once felt an obligation to stave off vigilante violence against Muslim Americans, not stoke it.

slate.com

I did not like GW Bush. Thanks to Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld, who came from his father's administration, we ended up starting a war for no reason. But before that mistake, he did what I posted above. He did not go on ranting about the violent Muslims, no one in his administration threatened to go after anything they thought was Muslim, he didn't threaten the media to fire anyone who made jokes about him. Dick Cheney didn't urge the nation to doxx or compile lists. They did none of what we see right now.

I didn't like GW Bush, but he was a far better president and human being than the republican who is President today.

Yeah, I used to think Dubya was the dumbest president in history. Remember Bushisms?

Dubya was the reason I stopped voting after a lifetime of straight-ticket Republican voting. Not so much for his idiocy, but because he had a chance to actually pay down the debt and chose to double it instead.

But now Trump makes Dubya look like Stephen Hawking and Milton Friedman at the same time.

 

[IM2]

Yeah, I used to think Dubya was the dumbest president in history. Remember Bushisms?

Dubya was the reason I stopped voting after a lifetime of straight-ticket Republican voting. Not so much for his idiocy, but because he had a chance to actually pay down the debt and chose to double it instead.

But now Trump makes Dubya look like Stephen Hawking and Milton Friedman at the same time.

Yep. I didn't think we would ever see anything worse than Bush. But now we have. Twice.

 

[MarcATL]

Trump said to Bush, "Oh YOU think you were a scumbag?!?? Hold my beer!"

 

[g5000]

No way. Bush is responsible for an estimated one million deaths in Iraq alone, all based on lies he knew were lies.

As one who served in the Persian Gulf and saw firsthand that Hussein was hellbent on returning to his old tricks, I am still of the opinion we were going to have to go to war with Hussein again sooner or later. And sooner was better before he could re-arm.

However, Bush fucked it all up. By demobilizing the Iraqi Army, he created a vast, hungry, unpaid horde who simply saw no other way out than to become insurgents.

He should have used the Iraqi Army, who were simply men trying to keep food on their families' tables, employed keeping the country stable during its transition.

With the exception of the Republican Guard, the Iraqi soldiers were not fanatics. Hussein kept all the money for himself and his inner circle while his people starved. The millions who died are on Hussein. He allowed his people to die so he could keep building palaces.

Iraqi men joined the army as a last ditch effort to stay alive.

Believe me, this had a life-changing, profound effect on me.

Bush had this idiotic idea that Iraq would miraculously become a Libertarian paradise at the flip of a switch.

Like I said, the dumbest president up to that point.

He implemented the unconstitutional Patriot Act.

Which was never repealed by Obama or Trump right up until it expired in 2020.

Perhaps you may have noticed we still have the Department of Fatherland Security which was created under the Patriot Act.

The largest Cabinet department, by far.

As he has demonstrated many times, Trump loves totalitarianism.

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Until Trump kills a million people and invades and occupies two foreign nations, he’s obviously not as bad as W.

Um...Trump is responsible for the deaths of a million Americans during Covid due to his colossal incompetence.

At least 17 percent of global Covid deaths in just 4.2 percent of the global population.

The idiot actually halted the most basic practices used to get epidemics under control. His explanation for this will go down in history as the dumbest utterance by any leader anywhere in all of human history.

“When you test, you have a case. When you test, you find something is wrong with people. If we didn’t do any testing, we would have very few cases.”


‘I don’t kid’: Trump says he wasn’t joking about slowing coronavirus testing

This in no way means I support dumb Don. He certainly could surpass W in evilness before he’s done.

Could?

Could?

Trump surpassed Dubya by leaps and bounds in his first term, and nailed the landing with his attempt to overthrow our democracy.

There is no could.

 

[g5000]

Trump said to Bush, "Oh YOU think you were a scumbag?!?? Hold my beer!"

BUSH: Please report to the government any suspicious possible terrorist activity.

TRUMP: Please report to the government anyone who says anything nasty about me.

PUTIN: That's my boy!

 

[gipper]

As one who served in the Persian Gulf and saw firsthand that Hussein was hellbent on returning to his old tricks, I am still of the opinion we were going to have to go to war with Hussein again sooner or later. And sooner was better before he could re-arm.

However, Bush fucked it all up. By demobilizing the Iraqi Army, he created a vast, hungry, unpaid horde who simply saw no other way out than to become insurgents.

He should have used the Iraqi Army, who were simply men trying to keep food on their families' tables, employed keeping the country stable during its transition.

With the exception of the Republican Guard, the Iraqi soldiers were not fanatics. Hussein kept all the money for himself and his inner circle while his people starved. The millions who died are on Hussein. He allowed his people to die so he could keep building palaces.

Iraqi men joined the army as a last ditch effort to stay alive.

Believe me, this had a life-changing, profound effect on me.

Bush had this idiotic idea that Iraq would miraculously become a Libertarian paradise at the flip of a switch.

Like I said, the dumbest president up to that point.



Which was never repealed by Obama or Trump right up until it expired in 2020.

Perhaps you may have noticed we still have the Department of Fatherland Security which was created under the Patriot Act.

The largest Cabinet department, by far.

As he has demonstrated many times, Trump loves totalitarianism.

.


Um...Trump is responsible for the deaths of a million Americans during Covid due to his colossal incompetence.

At least 17 percent of global Covid deaths in just 4.2 percent of the global population.

The idiot actually halted the most basic practices used to get epidemics under control. His explanation for this will go down in history as the dumbest utterance by any leader anywhere in all of human history.

“When you test, you have a case. When you test, you find something is wrong with people. If we didn’t do any testing, we would have very few cases.”


‘I don’t kid’: Trump says he wasn’t joking about slowing coronavirus testing



Could?

Could?

Trump surpassed Dubya by leaps and bounds in his first term, and nailed the landing with his attempt to overthrow our democracy.

There is no could.

Iraq was a disaster and an imperialist act by our criminal government. Iraq had no ability to harm the US, but it might have harmed Israel.

If you think I support either crime family even though I’ve clearly opposed both my entire time here, I can’t help you.

Imperialism and empire building always leads to bankruptcy, death, and destruction. When will all Americans learn this?

 

[gipper]

I'm talking about domestic things here. There is no doubt that Bushs Iraq stuff was way wrong and immoral. But Bush did not summon domestic violence against Americans who didn't gree with a prticular ideology. That's the topic here.

Okay, but domestically W was a disaster too. He gave us the Great Recession for God’s sake. The Patriot Act was a tyrannical move, big tax cuts for the rich which O happily continued, then W instituted a whole new government agency in the tyrannical DHS. He covered up 9/11 too.

When you realize nearly all our presidents since Coolidge have been disasters, you’ll understand Trump is merely continuing the precedent.