Comparative Religion

[Moonglow]

LOL! I wonder if the few remaining Zoroastrians appreciate all the peace the Muslims gave to them when they conquered Persia?

MJB the romans called their rule PAX ROMANA they managed to keep peace by crucifying the non peaceful ----by the tens of thousands. Islam keeps the peace with shariah -------same thing The Romans enslaved the greeks and-----the people of the area now called the Balkans-------and they even went to the British Isles to PROVIDE PEACE. Similarly the arabs went to various parts of the world to offer PEACE you are simply playing "HARD TO PLEASE" you don't know how to appreciate ----peace

Like when the Roman catholic christians killed off the Roman gnostic christians?

 

[Moonglow]

Jews basically don't particularly want to mix real Jewish blood with gentile blood, that's why they're not big on converting others. If you know what I mean.

I find that post rather offensive.
Racism and bigotry, regardless of the target, is rather silly.
"Jews" don't exist.
"Some Jews", "Many Jews" or "The majority of Jews" (With evidence to back up a claim) may exist but "Jews" do not.

Can someone please translate this post into English? Thanks.

He is claiming that Jews do not exist. Not even the tribe of Juda tribe which is todays Jews that survived the disporia of Babylon

 

[ima]

I find that post rather offensive.
Racism and bigotry, regardless of the target, is rather silly.
"Jews" don't exist.
"Some Jews", "Many Jews" or "The majority of Jews" (With evidence to back up a claim) may exist but "Jews" do not.

Can someone please translate this post into English? Thanks.

He is claiming that Jews do not exist. Not even the tribe of Juda tribe which is todays Jews that survived the disporia of Babylon

Wtf?

 

[ima]

But as far as Black September goes, it appears that the Jordanians weren't about to give anything up to the Pals, so MJB and others, why do you insist that the Pals go back to their "Jordanian homeland"? That makes no sense.

 

[georgephillip]

I think it's a shame that so many "Palestinians" were forced by Arab/moslem armies back in 1948 to get their arses out of the way so that the hoped-for Jew genocide could begin.

And still, the "Palestinians" don't have the right of return to their homelands in Jordan, Syria and Egypt.

Because "their homelands" don't exist within the borders of Jordan, Syria, and Egypt.
In 1948 two-thirds of all Palestinians living between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River had a Jewish State inflicted upon them by force of arms. Their homelands include Judea and Samaria, and their title is at least as legal and moral as any racist Zionist immigrant from Eastern Europe.

Three quarters of the Arabs who now call themselves Palestinians were absorbed by Jordan. The Arabs decided to attack Israel, not to create a mythical Palestine, but to destroy the Jewish state and divide it between themselves. You think if the Arabs would have succeeded, there would have been a "Palestine"? You need to read up on what some of the Arab leaders said (laughed) about the existence of a Palestinian people. Ha ha ha! The Arabs that did not join the attackers were absorbed by the Israelis and given full rights as citizens, which now comprise of 20% of the Israeli population. The ones that joined their Arab brethern in the failed attempt to "kill all the Jews", well....TOUGH SHIT. Maybe the attacking Arabs who made all those promises to them can now accomodate them. Israel owes them NOTHING.

Are you denying the "Jewish state" was inflicted by force of arms on a two-thirds majority of Palestinians in 1948? The fact that rich Arabs are just as corrupt and undemocratic as rich Jews and Christians doesn't excuse Zionist transfer policies, does it? The "invading" Arab armies took defensive positions around portions of Palestine not originally slated for Jewish control.

The Arab Israelis may enjoy "full rights as citizens" but the greater benefits of nationality are reserved for Jews alone. Ready for the punch line, Rougey...the racist "Jews" who've immigrated to Israel since the fall of the Soviet Union are turning the entire world against the Jewish state, and that's what the world OWES Israel.

Somewhere Golda is grinning.

 

[Hossfly]

Because "their homelands" don't exist within the borders of Jordan, Syria, and Egypt.
In 1948 two-thirds of all Palestinians living between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River had a Jewish State inflicted upon them by force of arms. Their homelands include Judea and Samaria, and their title is at least as legal and moral as any racist Zionist immigrant from Eastern Europe.

Three quarters of the Arabs who now call themselves Palestinians were absorbed by Jordan. The Arabs decided to attack Israel, not to create a mythical Palestine, but to destroy the Jewish state and divide it between themselves. You think if the Arabs would have succeeded, there would have been a "Palestine"? You need to read up on what some of the Arab leaders said (laughed) about the existence of a Palestinian people. Ha ha ha! The Arabs that did not join the attackers were absorbed by the Israelis and given full rights as citizens, which now comprise of 20% of the Israeli population. The ones that joined their Arab brethern in the failed attempt to "kill all the Jews", well....TOUGH SHIT. Maybe the attacking Arabs who made all those promises to them can now accomodate them. Israel owes them NOTHING.

Are you denying the "Jewish state" was inflicted by force of arms on a two-thirds majority of Palestinians in 1948? The fact that rich Arabs are just as corrupt and undemocratic as rich Jews and Christians doesn't excuse Zionist transfer policies, does it? The "invading" Arab armies took defensive positions around portions of Palestine not originally slated for Jewish control.

The Arab Israelis may enjoy "full rights as citizens" but the greater benefits of nationality are reserved for Jews alone. Ready for the punch line, Rougey...the racist "Jews" who've immigrated to Israel since the fall of the Soviet Union are turning the entire world against the Jewish state, and that's what the world OWES Israel.

Somewhere Golda is grinning.

And somewhere Yessir Arafart is feeding worms.

 

[MJB12741]

Jordan is the smartest player in the Middle East. They didn't make any peace offerings to Palestinians, build a security fence & condede land to them like those Zionists in Israel do. Jordan gave them Black September massacring around 20,000 Palestinians to settle their disputes & it resulted in the one & only lasting peace from the Palestinians. When will Israel ever learn? LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Jordan put it to Israel but good when they refused Israel's offer to return the entire West Bank back to them after the 67 war so they could sacrifice that piece of land to dump their Palestinians on Israel to deal with.

Three quarters of the Arabs who now call themselves Palestinians were absorbed by Jordan. The Arabs decided to attack Israel, not to create a mythical Palestine, but to destroy the Jewish state and divide it between themselves. You think if the Arabs would have succeeded, there would have been a "Palestine"? You need to read up on what some of the Arab leaders said (laughed) about the existence of a Palestinian people. Ha ha ha! The Arabs that did not join the attackers were absorbed by the Israelis and given full rights as citizens, which now comprise of 20% of the Israeli population. The ones that joined their Arab brethern in the failed attempt to "kill all the Jews", well....TOUGH SHIT. Maybe the attacking Arabs who made all those promises to them can now accomodate them. Israel owes them NOTHING.

Jordan has a long and violent history with "Palestinians". The Jordanian plan (since the late 1960's has been to bums-rush their "Palestinian" population into the West Bank--a political cleansing.

The Jordanians continue to despise the Palestinians who once attempted to seize power under Arafat (Black September 1970).

Black September in Jordan - Encyclopedia

History of Palestinians in Jordan and Black September: In Palestinian enclaves and refugee camps in Jordan, the police and army were losing their authority. Uniformed PLO militants openly carried weapons, set up checkpoints and attempted to collect what they called "taxes". During the November 1968 negotiations, a seven-point agreement was reached between King Hussein and Palestinian organizations:

* Members of these organizations were forbidden from walking around cities armed and in uniform
* They were forbidden from stopping civilian vehicles in order to conduct searches
* They were forbidden from competing with the Jordanian Army for recruits
* They were required to carry Jordanian identity papers
* Their vehicles were required to bear Jordanian license plates
*Crimes committed by members of the Palestinian organizations would be investigated by the Jordanian authorities
* Disputes between the Palestinian organizations and the government would be settled by a joint council of representatives of the king and of the PLO.

The PLO, reneging on this agreement, acted like a state within a state in Jordan. Between mid-1968 and the end of 1969, no fewer than five hundred violent clashes occurred between the Palestinian guerrillas and Jordanian security forces. Acts of violence against civilians and kidnappings frequently took place. Chief of the Jordanian royal court (and subsequently a Prime Minister) Zaid al-Rifai claimed that "the fedayeen killed a soldier, beheaded him, and played soccer with his head in the area where he used to live." (Source: Arafat's War by Efraim Karsh, p.28)

Many elements in the PLO extorted money from merchants at gunpoint under the claim that they were donations to the Palestinian cause. Jordanian security forces would typically round them up and send them to the front where they could be more useful to the Palestinian cause. Outbreaks of violence however were continously on the rise. As long as both parties maintained the condition that they would not enter or remain in the capital a large scale crash could have been avoidable.

 

[Intense]

Come to think of it, the Spanish Inquisition may have done a bit of forced conversion as well.
Just to show the Christians have done their bit.

How much has changed since then? Are you really that backward in your reasoning? You obviously have a lot of catching up to do.

 

[Roudy]

The Muslim religion doesn't impress me. They forced people to convert. Judaism never did that.

I'm sure the Galileans Samaritans and Idumaens will agree with you.

If you're going to lie, don't make it that easy to show you're talking crap.

Maybe YOU'RE the one who should get your facts straight before you go around calling other people crap. If you study the history of the Samaritans, you'll discover they were antagonistic to Jews, and never viewed as Jews. Jesus made up the parable of the Good Samaritan, to put down Jews. There is no such people as the Galileans. Galilee is only a district of Israel, and a very beautiful one at that. Lots of forests. Unlike the MILLIONS of people that the Muslims forced to convert, Idumea was a freak occurence in Jewish history, and we more than paid for it by having the villians Antipater and Herod come from that race. Forced conversion is absolutely forbidden in Judaism.

Nah, Jesus was a circumcised, Bartmizva'd Jewish rabbi who read from the OT and practiced Judaism. He didn't practice Islam, Christianity, or "Samaritinism", idiot. Most of his followers were also Jews.

But if it makes you feel better to think that in order to justify your Jew hatred, go ahead.

 

[georgephillip]

Three quarters of the Arabs who now call themselves Palestinians were absorbed by Jordan. The Arabs decided to attack Israel, not to create a mythical Palestine, but to destroy the Jewish state and divide it between themselves. You think if the Arabs would have succeeded, there would have been a "Palestine"? You need to read up on what some of the Arab leaders said (laughed) about the existence of a Palestinian people. Ha ha ha! The Arabs that did not join the attackers were absorbed by the Israelis and given full rights as citizens, which now comprise of 20% of the Israeli population. The ones that joined their Arab brethern in the failed attempt to "kill all the Jews", well....TOUGH SHIT. Maybe the attacking Arabs who made all those promises to them can now accomodate them. Israel owes them NOTHING.

Are you denying the "Jewish state" was inflicted by force of arms on a two-thirds majority of Palestinians in 1948? The fact that rich Arabs are just as corrupt and undemocratic as rich Jews and Christians doesn't excuse Zionist transfer policies, does it? The "invading" Arab armies took defensive positions around portions of Palestine not originally slated for Jewish control.

The Arab Israelis may enjoy "full rights as citizens" but the greater benefits of nationality are reserved for Jews alone. Ready for the punch line, Rougey...the racist "Jews" who've immigrated to Israel since the fall of the Soviet Union are turning the entire world against the Jewish state, and that's what the world OWES Israel.

Somewhere Golda is grinning.

And somewhere Yessir Arafart is feeding worms.

Along with Reagan and another recently deceased 20th Century terrorist.

The Most Successful Terrorist of the 20th Century? » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

 

[Hossfly]

Are you denying the "Jewish state" was inflicted by force of arms on a two-thirds majority of Palestinians in 1948? The fact that rich Arabs are just as corrupt and undemocratic as rich Jews and Christians doesn't excuse Zionist transfer policies, does it? The "invading" Arab armies took defensive positions around portions of Palestine not originally slated for Jewish control.

The Arab Israelis may enjoy "full rights as citizens" but the greater benefits of nationality are reserved for Jews alone. Ready for the punch line, Rougey...the racist "Jews" who've immigrated to Israel since the fall of the Soviet Union are turning the entire world against the Jewish state, and that's what the world OWES Israel.

Somewhere Golda is grinning.

And somewhere Yessir Arafart is feeding worms.

Along with Reagan and another recently deceased 20th Century terrorist.

The Most Successful Terrorist of the 20th Century? » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Uri Avnery is a bobble-headed idiot along with his followers and quoters.

 

[MJB12741]

I think Netanyahoo is the worst terrorist of the 21st century. Just look what that war monger is doing to fire up the Palestinians into violence, hatred & killing Israeli's. Peace offerings, a security fence & land concessions to Palestinians to keep them in Israel while the Palestinians are fighting for freedom from Israel. Face it folks, no surrounding Arab country, who know the Palestinians best, ever treated them like Israel does. Down with that Zio-Pig Netanyahoo & his Zionist agenda toward Palestinians. Israel needs a leader like king Hussein who knew how to establish the one & only lasting peace from Palestinians. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

And somewhere Yessir Arafart is feeding worms.

Along with Reagan and another recently deceased 20th Century terrorist.

The Most Successful Terrorist of the 20th Century? » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Uri Avnery is a bobble-headed idiot along with his followers and quoters.

 

[georgephillip]

And somewhere Yessir Arafart is feeding worms.

Along with Reagan and another recently deceased 20th Century terrorist.

The Most Successful Terrorist of the 20th Century? » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Uri Avnery is a bobble-headed idiot along with his followers and quoters.

'Thought you were closed for the holidays?
You have more than established your anti-Semitic credentials...

"After the Egyptian Revolution of 1952 Avnery used his editorials in HaOlam HaZeh to call for a preventive war against Egypt, arguing that 'the reactionary Arab regimes' would attack Israel 'the minute Arab superiority in weapons over Israel is great enough.'[11]

"He began to revise his views after the 1956 Suez Crisis, which ended in Israeli withdrawal and strengthened Nasser.[12]

"In June 1957 Avnery suggested that Israel aid Palestinians in overthrowing the Hashemite monarchy in Jordan (a 'product of imperialism'); Israel would then form a federation with the new Palestinian Jordanian state.[12]

"In the late 1950s Avnery was among the founders of the group Semitic Action, which argued for a regional federation of Israel and its neighbors."

Avnery has lived in Palestine since before the Jewish state lurched into existence.
Maybe his peace plan will work out better than Bibis?
Yours won't.

Uri Avnery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[georgephillip]

I think Netanyahoo is the worst terrorist of the 21st century. Just look what that war monger is doing to fire up the Palestinians into violence, hatred & killing Israeli's. Peace offerings, a security fence & land concessions to Palestinians to keep them in Israel while the Palestinians are fighting for freedom from Israel. Face it folks, no surrounding Arab country, who know the Palestinians best, ever treated them like Israel does. Down with that Zio-Pig Netanyahoo & his Zionist agenda toward Palestinians. Israel needs a leader like king Hussein who knew how to establish the one & only lasting peace from Palestinians. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Along with Reagan and another recently deceased 20th Century terrorist.

The Most Successful Terrorist of the 20th Century? » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

Uri Avnery is a bobble-headed idiot along with his followers and quoters.

What do you have against the "King of Israel?"

"Netanyahu is poised to become the longest-serving Israeli Prime Minister since David Ben-Gurion, the founding father of Israel. He has no national rival. His approval rating, roughly 50%, is at an all-time high. At a moment when incumbents around the world are being shunted aside, he is triumphant."

So will he seize the moment and begin negotiating a lasting peace in Palestine or annex Area C?

Cover Story: Why Bibi Netanyahu Is King of Israel | World | TIME.com

 

[ima]

I'm sure the Galileans Samaritans and Idumaens will agree with you.

If you're going to lie, don't make it that easy to show you're talking crap.

Maybe YOU'RE the one who should get your facts straight before you go around calling other people crap. If you study the history of the Samaritans, you'll discover they were antagonistic to Jews, and never viewed as Jews. Jesus made up the parable of the Good Samaritan, to put down Jews. There is no such people as the Galileans. Galilee is only a district of Israel, and a very beautiful one at that. Lots of forests. Unlike the MILLIONS of people that the Muslims forced to convert, Idumea was a freak occurence in Jewish history, and we more than paid for it by having the villians Antipater and Herod come from that race. Forced conversion is absolutely forbidden in Judaism.

Nah, Jesus was a circumcised, Bartmizva'd Jewish rabbi who read from the OT and practiced Judaism. He didn't practice Islam, Christianity, or "Samaritinism", idiot. Most of his followers were also Jews.

But if it makes you feel better to think that in order to justify your Jew hatred, go ahead.

Please post some actual proof that Jesus actually existed or else

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Maybe YOU'RE the one who should get your facts straight before you go around calling other people crap. If you study the history of the Samaritans, you'll discover they were antagonistic to Jews, and never viewed as Jews. Jesus made up the parable of the Good Samaritan, to put down Jews. There is no such people as the Galileans. Galilee is only a district of Israel, and a very beautiful one at that. Lots of forests. Unlike the MILLIONS of people that the Muslims forced to convert, Idumea was a freak occurence in Jewish history, and we more than paid for it by having the villians Antipater and Herod come from that race. Forced conversion is absolutely forbidden in Judaism.

Nah, Jesus was a circumcised, Bartmizva'd Jewish rabbi who read from the OT and practiced Judaism. He didn't practice Islam, Christianity, or "Samaritinism", idiot. Most of his followers were also Jews.

But if it makes you feel better to think that in order to justify your Jew hatred, go ahead.

Please post some actual proof that Jesus actually existed or else

No one said Jesus was Samaritan, but his Parable of the Good Samaritan cast Jews in a bad light. According to the story, two Jews passed by an injured man without bothering to help him. Finally, a Samaritan helped the injured man. Jesus may have been Jewish, but a lot of the things he preached didn't jive with Judaism.

 

[ima]

Nah, Jesus was a circumcised, Bartmizva'd Jewish rabbi who read from the OT and practiced Judaism. He didn't practice Islam, Christianity, or "Samaritinism", idiot. Most of his followers were also Jews.

But if it makes you feel better to think that in order to justify your Jew hatred, go ahead.

Please post some actual proof that Jesus actually existed or else

No one said Jesus was Samaritan, but his Parable of the Good Samaritan cast Jews in a bad light. According to the story, two Jews passed by an injured man without bothering to help him. Finally, a Samaritan helped the injured man. Jesus may have been Jewish, but a lot of the things he preached didn't jive with Judaism.

Please post some actual proof that Jesus actually existed or else

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Please post some actual proof that Jesus actually existed or else

No one said Jesus was Samaritan, but his Parable of the Good Samaritan cast Jews in a bad light. According to the story, two Jews passed by an injured man without bothering to help him. Finally, a Samaritan helped the injured man. Jesus may have been Jewish, but a lot of the things he preached didn't jive with Judaism.

Please post some actual proof that Jesus actually existed or else

Besides the detailed account of Jesus in the New Testament, he's mentioned by several historians as well.

 

[Hossfly]

Please post some actual proof that Jesus actually existed or else

No one said Jesus was Samaritan, but his Parable of the Good Samaritan cast Jews in a bad light. According to the story, two Jews passed by an injured man without bothering to help him. Finally, a Samaritan helped the injured man. Jesus may have been Jewish, but a lot of the things he preached didn't jive with Judaism.

Please post some actual proof that Jesus actually existed or else

I'm not Catholic but I do believe their lineage goes back to Simon and he was a close friend of Jesus. Start with the current Pope and realize each one knew his predecessor.That takes us back to the first Pope, Peter aka Simon. You don't have to believe the Bible but you can't dismiss History.

 

[ima]

No one said Jesus was Samaritan, but his Parable of the Good Samaritan cast Jews in a bad light. According to the story, two Jews passed by an injured man without bothering to help him. Finally, a Samaritan helped the injured man. Jesus may have been Jewish, but a lot of the things he preached didn't jive with Judaism.

Please post some actual proof that Jesus actually existed or else

I'm not Catholic but I do believe their lineage goes back to Simon and he was a close friend of Jesus. Start with the current Pope and realize each one knew his predecessor.That takes us back to the first Pope, Peter aka Simon. You don't have to believe the Bible but you can't dismiss History.

Seriously, what does who the Pope knew have to do with some serious proof that Jesus actually existed?