Communist is the worst idea ever invented and yet it is believed in by millions

1) Communism killed a hundred million people in the 20th Century.

2) Let's not give it another chance.

1) That is a vast exaggeration. I support Leon Trotsky, thus I oppose Totalitarian Communism. But these numbers are vastly exaggerated.

2) Positive Rights to food, shelter, and medical care are important.
1) No exaggeration. If anything, it's low. Your acceptance is neither sought nor required.

Communist Body Count

149,469,610​

2) Then you support slavery. Good job.
How many native Americans died with no communism involved?
Millions if you include South and Central America. Only hundreds of thousands in North America
 
1) Joseph Stalin played the greatest role of any mortal in defeating Nazis and saving the World from Nazism.

2) Joseph Stalin helped create Israel.
Yes he did. Which is irrelevant as he commited even greater genocide thasn the nazis did. Saving the world from naziism in order to subject the world to communism is not doing the world a favor.

Communism is far bloodier and worse thasn naziism. What he did was akin to a serial killer stopping a mass murderer.

Communism was originally built on Equality. Sadly, it went off the original way. About 3.3 Million people died in Joseph Stalin's Penal System.


Nazism was built on the idea of Superiority and Genocide. Six Million Jews, 3.5 Million Soviet POWs and 12 Million other noncombatants were killed by Nazis. Nazism was much worse.
Communism killed a hundred million people in the 20th Century.

Let's not give it another chance.

Such a nonsense statement. Just emotion. No understanding whatsoever.
There is no rational way to make the case for Communism, unless you want millions more people dead.

Yeah, I'm quite sure from your perspective, and your level of thinking, that is the case.
It is fact not perspective. Communism always results in deliberate mass murder and genocide.
 
If it hasn't worked in the past, it's not going to work in the future.

And it's never worked in the past.

That's such an illogical position to take.

Literally, if you fail at first, give up and never try again.

The problem with political systems is there are many ways to flog a horse.

You can set up Socialism in a million different ways. You can be intelligent about it and use human psychology to get the best out of workers, or you can just demand they do what they're told and use fear, or you can simply let the workers be lazy.

Each will have different results.

China is doing things much differently to the way the USSR did things, or how Cuba do things. So you'll have different results.
Unfortunately, you are speaking to an uneducated fool who doesn't understand a word you are saying. He's got a tattoo on the palm of one hand, "Capitalism, good" "Communism, bad" that he can glance at any time a political discussion arises. He has no idea of what philosophy goes into each of them or how many different ways they can be applied.
And yet, oddly, with all the ways Communism can be applied, it always winds up with tyranny and oppression.

Some people think that's a success. Some people are retarded.

Well, isn't Capitalism the same?

Hasn't the US pounded on a lot of people? Still does.
No it is not and the US pounding on others is a government not capitalism
 
The fall of the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc countries did not spell the end of Communism. It clings on in Cuba, North Vietnam and in Venezuela.

However, the true threat comes from within the United States.

Communists are recruited in college or university through front groups that pretend to be concerned with other issues. The two most prominent Communist front group today is Black Lives Matter and Antifa.

However, very few Communists will admit to being Communists. One of the first thing a new Communist is taught is to lie and always deny being a Communist.

In the United States, Communists have infiltrated and now control a large percentage of our institutions. The Communists call this the "Long March Through the Institutions."

Communists take advantage of the fact that most Americans do not concern themselves that much with political issues, but devote themselves to career and family. Communists will always put Communism above all else, and will devote more time to their cause than anyone else will devote to any other cause.

The stolen election of 2020 was a Communist takeover. For the first time in American history, we do not have a democratically elected government. We are ruled by Communists who will do whatever it takes to ensure that a fair election is never again held in the United States.
My nomination for Biggest Pile of Hor$e$hit of the Week...
 
The fall of the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc countries did not spell the end of Communism. It clings on in Cuba, North Vietnam and in Venezuela.

However, the true threat comes from within the United States.

Communists are recruited in college or university through front groups that pretend to be concerned with other issues. The two most prominent Communist front group today is Black Lives Matter and Antifa.

However, very few Communists will admit to being Communists. One of the first thing a new Communist is taught is to lie and always deny being a Communist.

In the United States, Communists have infiltrated and now control a large percentage of our institutions. The Communists call this the "Long March Through the Institutions."

Communists take advantage of the fact that most Americans do not concern themselves that much with political issues, but devote themselves to career and family. Communists will always put Communism above all else, and will devote more time to their cause than anyone else will devote to any other cause.

The stolen election of 2020 was a Communist takeover. For the first time in American history, we do not have a democratically elected government. We are ruled by Communists who will do whatever it takes to ensure that a fair election is never again held in the United States.
My nomination for Biggest Pile of Hor$e$hit of the Week...
SERIOUSLY!
 
How many native Americans died with no communism involved?
And blacks. Lynchings & the Tuskeegee Experiment just for starters. Do you see any Communists there? Nope! In fact, the most anti-Communist morons committed those atrocities ..... in the name of Capitalism!!!
None of those offenses were commited in the name of capitalism.

Msssive failure for you
 
Why do Progressives never have a bad word to say about Communism or mankind's most prolific mass murders, all Communists?

Because communism has never killed anyone.
Stalin was not a communist, but a capitalist bank robber, who infiltrated the Communists, Socialists, and Anarchists, killed them all, took over, and implemented state capitalism instead.

Look at the characteristics. Communism is collaborative, cooperative, communal, and the way humans normally treat each other in small social groups like families, clubs, tribes, etc.
Those who think communism implies a large centralized state, simply do not know anything about communism.
And what Stalin implemented was not at all collaborative, cooperative, communal, or voluntary.
It was forced, state, capitalism, with purely a profit motive for the ruling elite.
Communism has killed un toldf tens of millions.

Stalin was a communist. He was not a capitalist,

Communism is totalitarian and never cooperative or communial or cllobaorative,

It is you who grapss nothing about communism and is ignorant of it.

Stalin wasn't really a Communist. Do you think Stalin gave a damn about Communism at all? What did Stalin do that was either Communist or pushing for Communism?
He was a communist through and through. he etablished the comintern specifically for the purpose of spreading communism world wide just as Marx required communism to work. He forced the entire nation to work and live in accordance with his interpretation of Marx which is precisely what the dictatorship of the proletariate is meant to do.

Well, the Comintern was established in 1919 before Stalin was a major force. Stalin was on the delegate's list, but it's not known if he actually went.

Stalin was one of those guys who'd use the system he was in in order to gain the power he wanted. Nothing seems to suggest he was a Communist.

Even the early Communists in Russia thought he might be an agent provocateur.The proven worldwide railure of socialism
Everything proves he was a communist inclluding his own admission.

Yeah, only if you see things in simple.
You mean seeing things clearly without denial

The problem is you think you're seeing things clearly, but mostly this is because you don't actually bother looking at much.
I look at it all you selectively ignore what is inconvenient.

Such as?
The fact that Stalin was a communist

Ah, so, what we seem to be dealing with is this sort of "fact" that most people "know", but haven't actually thought about.

Why, exactly, was Stalin a Communist? Just because he was leader of the USSR?
Because he stated he was and enforced communism on people as envisioned by marx. He followed the play book as directed.

So, if North Korea says it's democracy, IT'S DEMOCRATIC?????

What you have to remember about people and politics is they'll say anything and pretend to be anything to get power.

Try the anti-gay politician caught having gay sex.


"Wes Goodman: Anti-LGBT Republican politician 'caught having sex with man in his office' facing 30 sexual misconduct accusations"

Try Xi Jinping who was sent to the countryside under Mao and ran away. He literally ran away from Communism. But he wanted power, and in a one party state, if you want power, you go to the party.


"Xi Jinping has said that he experienced his political awakening when he was “sent down” to Liangjiahe in Shaanxi province,"

"But the misery of life in the impoverished village of a few dozen houses was too much for the 15-year-old Xi. Longing for his home comforts, he escaped."

People will pretend to be anything. China still has Mao on its banknotes. You have to wonder why, when it was DengXiaoPing who set up the modern China, not Mao. Mao tried to destroy China.

But he didn't enforce Communism as Marx envisioned at all.

Marxism was a classless society.

The USSR clearly had some people more equal than others.
He did enforce communism as envisioned. Marxism calls for a classless society at the end which of course is never reached in reality. However Marxism calls for and demands a new arrangement of class in society before the end is reached. That is why it calls for a dictatorship of the proletariate. Marx clearly stated despotism would be necessary while striving to reach that end. Stalin merely provided the dictatorship while striving for thaty end exactly as Marx demanded.

Once again commubnism is not the end result it is the revolution and ideology to reach that result.

Any evidence that what Stalin was doing was moving towards Communism, rather than Stalin just being in power and doing whatever he liked?
The two are the same so yes

Oh jeez. Are we really debating on such a low level?

You don't know what Communism is, do you?

You think that what you saw from the USSR, without even understand that country, is "Communism". Oh dear.
I do know what it is you lack comprehension.

I understand it better than you.

People who defend communism or apologize for it as you are doing ALWAYS have massive hubris claiming they know better when in fact you are ignoerant as hell

"I do know what it is you lack comprehension." You're right. I totally don't comprehend this sentence. Something's missing.

"I do know what it is you lack: comprehension" seems to work fine. Grammar.....

So, let's work from the hypothesis that you know better than me.

So, tell me, what is Communism? (and don't do the "I don't need to tell you, go look it up for yourself" bullshit, it's embarrassing to see people do that).
 
1) Joseph Stalin played the greatest role of any mortal in defeating Nazis and saving the World from Nazism.

2) Joseph Stalin helped create Israel.
Yes he did. Which is irrelevant as he commited even greater genocide thasn the nazis did. Saving the world from naziism in order to subject the world to communism is not doing the world a favor.

Communism is far bloodier and worse thasn naziism. What he did was akin to a serial killer stopping a mass murderer.

Communism was originally built on Equality. Sadly, it went off the original way. About 3.3 Million people died in Joseph Stalin's Penal System.


Nazism was built on the idea of Superiority and Genocide. Six Million Jews, 3.5 Million Soviet POWs and 12 Million other noncombatants were killed by Nazis. Nazism was much worse.
Communism killed a hundred million people in the 20th Century.

Let's not give it another chance.

Such a nonsense statement. Just emotion. No understanding whatsoever.
An accurate statement with more understanding than you possess. You are NOT better educated informed or enlightened about this subject you are strictly spi8uting knee jerk talking points

So, are you saying that if something doesn't work, it should never be tried again? Should never be improved upon?

Also you're missing the FACT that China is rising, Vietnam is rising, Laos is doing much better than before, all with Socialism.


Vietnam's annual growth has been above 5% since 2000.


2019 was the first time this century that Laos' has been below 5% at 4.6%.

And China is in a similar situation.

Facts suggest that you're wrong.
 
The basic idea is not about property calling it theft or not self made. The basic idea is " from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". This is the same basic idea behind slavery which is why it is no coincidence that every communist nation is a slave state.
They got it from the Bible.
That is not a defense of slavery, nor does it lend legitamacy to an evil idea.

But no they did not. There is no such scripture.
Slavery is not about free-market Capitalism.

Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about any "gospel Truth". Appeals to ignorance is all right-wingers are best at.

All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. ... Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.[25]

— Acts 2:44–45, Acts 4:32–35
Please point out where the Roman government mandated this sharing.

Again: Communism can work only in small communities and strictly voluntarily.
Read some history of the Roman Empire.

Only the Religious seem to be able to make it work. Not enough morals to go around among the secular laity?
Face it, kid. You fucked up. There is no Biblical justification for the tyranny you want.
If you had enough reading comprehension you would understand it take morals for that not right-wing fantasy.
Morals to steal from people?

You do know words have meanings, right? You don't get to make up new ones?
Only right-wingers allege that. The rest of us know that the social power to Tax is delegated to our representatives to Government.
"Social power".

No such thing.

But it's HILARIOUS you believe you get to make up definitions! How insanely intellectually bankrupt! :auiqs.jpg:
The ignorance of the right-wing is astounding.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It is accomplished via the social-ism of Government.
Government is not socialism.

Socialism is a form of government which always fails.

That is fact in your face which has been proven time again but being a dishonest and immature right winger you still cling to a proven fallacy

It doesn't always fail at all. There have been a few examples of Socialism and they have failed because they struggled to deal with some of the fundamentals. I'm not a Socialist, but the doesn't mean it can't work.

People would say Capitalism has always failed too. Look at 2008.
Capiyalism is still going strong socialism always fails.

Such a silly statement to make. How many Socialist countries have there ever been?

China. Hasn't failed
Cuba. Hasn't failed
Laos. Hasn't failed
Vietnam. Hasn't failed
Venezuela has failed insanely badly. Unless you think people eating their pets is a success.

Yes, Venezuela is failing badly.

Venezuela is a country run by people. Does this mean that ALL countries run by people will fail?

Plenty of capitalist countries have also failed. Somalia, Zimbabwe. Does this mean we should immediately stop capitalism?
Somalia is anogther failed socialist state.

Zimbabwe was barely a state at all.

Well, it was Socialist from 1969 to 1989/1991.

So, in theory it was a failed Capitalist state until 1969.

Zimbabwe actually was a pretty strong state. It had economic problems, the worst seemingly because of Mugabe's new wife. Now the crocodile's in, he seems to be a less competent leader than Mugabe (oh dear).

But whenever I went to Zimbabwe it seemed a better place than Mozambique or South Africa, less crime at least.

The point is that capitalist states also fail, and why? Because of bad leadership.

Often Socialism has failed because those implementing it are dictators. Like Pinochet in Chile, the military Junta in Argentina etc, a lot of DICTATORS FAIL.

The Socialist and the Capitalist.
Socialism does not fail because of bad leadership it fails to to inherent stupidity of the idea.

And why is it stupid, exactly?
Because people are far better at solving their own problems than a central government is capable of doing.

Well... not always true. China is clearly improving massively because they've taken the problem solving away from the people.

And the US is eating itself alive because people think they have this freedom to solve their own problems, but the country can't solve the problems of high crime.

The reality is, as a non-Communist, non-Socialist, is that you need a mixture of the two, in my opinion.

That China is forging ahead and will be ahead of the US at some point, suggests that your black and white image is not correct.
 
1) Joseph Stalin played the greatest role of any mortal in defeating Nazis and saving the World from Nazism.

2) Joseph Stalin helped create Israel.
Yes he did. Which is irrelevant as he commited even greater genocide thasn the nazis did. Saving the world from naziism in order to subject the world to communism is not doing the world a favor.

Communism is far bloodier and worse thasn naziism. What he did was akin to a serial killer stopping a mass murderer.

Communism was originally built on Equality. Sadly, it went off the original way. About 3.3 Million people died in Joseph Stalin's Penal System.


Nazism was built on the idea of Superiority and Genocide. Six Million Jews, 3.5 Million Soviet POWs and 12 Million other noncombatants were killed by Nazis. Nazism was much worse.
Communism killed a hundred million people in the 20th Century.

Let's not give it another chance.

Such a nonsense statement. Just emotion. No understanding whatsoever.
There is no rational way to make the case for Communism, unless you want millions more people dead.

Yeah, I'm quite sure from your perspective, and your level of thinking, that is the case.
It is fact not perspective. Communism always results in deliberate mass murder and genocide.

How can it be "fact"?

Firstly, has there ever been a Communist state?

There are countries that are Socialist. But are they actually working towards Communism? Was the USSR working towards Communism? No. Because it never got anywhere close and a lot of the stuff they did went against Communism.

Secondly, there have only been a few countries that have tried supposed "Communism" and there are four currently that haven't failed at all.

Thirdly, you don't know what could happen in the future.

If I try and make a cake and I fail fifty times, does this mean that it's impossible? That I can't learn from my mistakes and I can't improve?
 
If it hasn't worked in the past, it's not going to work in the future.

And it's never worked in the past.

That's such an illogical position to take.

Literally, if you fail at first, give up and never try again.

The problem with political systems is there are many ways to flog a horse.

You can set up Socialism in a million different ways. You can be intelligent about it and use human psychology to get the best out of workers, or you can just demand they do what they're told and use fear, or you can simply let the workers be lazy.

Each will have different results.

China is doing things much differently to the way the USSR did things, or how Cuba do things. So you'll have different results.
Unfortunately, you are speaking to an uneducated fool who doesn't understand a word you are saying. He's got a tattoo on the palm of one hand, "Capitalism, good" "Communism, bad" that he can glance at any time a political discussion arises. He has no idea of what philosophy goes into each of them or how many different ways they can be applied.
And yet, oddly, with all the ways Communism can be applied, it always winds up with tyranny and oppression.

Some people think that's a success. Some people are retarded.

Well, isn't Capitalism the same?

Hasn't the US pounded on a lot of people? Still does.
No it is not and the US pounding on others is a government not capitalism

Then the same would be said about Communism. It's a GOVERNMENT pounding on people, killing people, not COMMUNISM.

You can't have it both ways.
 
Stalin was an authoritarian and as all such used the methods available to achieve one-man rule. Whatever he may have said, or even thought, about ideology was merely justification. This is what makes authoritarians all the same. It requires a certain level of intelligence combined with sociopathic capacity to use people as desired, no matter the cost to those people. Centralizing systems set the stage for the arrival of such people. That is the primary reason that all efforts at all levels to de-centralize, as for example with energy, are essential to democracy, freedom and the individual.
Well said....many political philosophies are difficult to explain or give examples of and people get confused as to what fascism or communism really is.

Yet --what is much easier to decipher and recognize is totalitarianism and the centralizing of power...the real danger of any political philosophy that advocates pursuing certain goals by controlling the masses....which always leads to disaster as the millions and millions of deaths in China and Russia attest to.

People argue about the real cause of the so called Civil War....which actually was a struggle by people who wanted freedom and liberty vs. people who thought Washington should have more power....thus the loss of that war really gave a boost to Totalitarianism in America...as the Feds are totalitarian in nature....you see this clearly in how they control the schools, taxation, the dept. of justice etc. and their power is increasing and their agenda getting more and more radical.

Now we witness the current regime actually threatening the American People....and what that really reveals is this biden regime is an enemy of the people.



 
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Why do Progressives never have a bad word to say about Communism or mankind's most prolific mass murders, all Communists?

Because communism has never killed anyone.
Stalin was not a communist, but a capitalist bank robber, who infiltrated the Communists, Socialists, and Anarchists, killed them all, took over, and implemented state capitalism instead.

Look at the characteristics. Communism is collaborative, cooperative, communal, and the way humans normally treat each other in small social groups like families, clubs, tribes, etc.
Those who think communism implies a large centralized state, simply do not know anything about communism.
And what Stalin implemented was not at all collaborative, cooperative, communal, or voluntary.
It was forced, state, capitalism, with purely a profit motive for the ruling elite.
Communism has killed un toldf tens of millions.

Stalin was a communist. He was not a capitalist,

Communism is totalitarian and never cooperative or communial or cllobaorative,

It is you who grapss nothing about communism and is ignorant of it.

Stalin wasn't really a Communist. Do you think Stalin gave a damn about Communism at all? What did Stalin do that was either Communist or pushing for Communism?
He was a communist through and through. he etablished the comintern specifically for the purpose of spreading communism world wide just as Marx required communism to work. He forced the entire nation to work and live in accordance with his interpretation of Marx which is precisely what the dictatorship of the proletariate is meant to do.

Well, the Comintern was established in 1919 before Stalin was a major force. Stalin was on the delegate's list, but it's not known if he actually went.

Stalin was one of those guys who'd use the system he was in in order to gain the power he wanted. Nothing seems to suggest he was a Communist.

Even the early Communists in Russia thought he might be an agent provocateur.The proven worldwide railure of socialism
Everything proves he was a communist inclluding his own admission.

Yeah, only if you see things in simple.
You mean seeing things clearly without denial

The problem is you think you're seeing things clearly, but mostly this is because you don't actually bother looking at much.
I look at it all you selectively ignore what is inconvenient.

Such as?
The fact that Stalin was a communist

Ah, so, what we seem to be dealing with is this sort of "fact" that most people "know", but haven't actually thought about.

Why, exactly, was Stalin a Communist? Just because he was leader of the USSR?
Because he stated he was and enforced communism on people as envisioned by marx. He followed the play book as directed.

So, if North Korea says it's democracy, IT'S DEMOCRATIC?????

What you have to remember about people and politics is they'll say anything and pretend to be anything to get power.

Try the anti-gay politician caught having gay sex.


"Wes Goodman: Anti-LGBT Republican politician 'caught having sex with man in his office' facing 30 sexual misconduct accusations"

Try Xi Jinping who was sent to the countryside under Mao and ran away. He literally ran away from Communism. But he wanted power, and in a one party state, if you want power, you go to the party.


"Xi Jinping has said that he experienced his political awakening when he was “sent down” to Liangjiahe in Shaanxi province,"

"But the misery of life in the impoverished village of a few dozen houses was too much for the 15-year-old Xi. Longing for his home comforts, he escaped."

People will pretend to be anything. China still has Mao on its banknotes. You have to wonder why, when it was DengXiaoPing who set up the modern China, not Mao. Mao tried to destroy China.

But he didn't enforce Communism as Marx envisioned at all.

Marxism was a classless society.

The USSR clearly had some people more equal than others.
He did enforce communism as envisioned. Marxism calls for a classless society at the end which of course is never reached in reality. However Marxism calls for and demands a new arrangement of class in society before the end is reached. That is why it calls for a dictatorship of the proletariate. Marx clearly stated despotism would be necessary while striving to reach that end. Stalin merely provided the dictatorship while striving for thaty end exactly as Marx demanded.

Once again commubnism is not the end result it is the revolution and ideology to reach that result.

Any evidence that what Stalin was doing was moving towards Communism, rather than Stalin just being in power and doing whatever he liked?
The two are the same so yes

Oh jeez. Are we really debating on such a low level?

You don't know what Communism is, do you?

You think that what you saw from the USSR, without even understand that country, is "Communism". Oh dear.
I do know what it is you lack comprehension.

I understand it better than you.

People who defend communism or apologize for it as you are doing ALWAYS have massive hubris claiming they know better when in fact you are ignoerant as hell

"I do know what it is you lack comprehension." You're right. I totally don't comprehend this sentence. Something's missing.

"I do know what it is you lack: comprehension" seems to work fine. Grammar.....

So, let's work from the hypothesis that you know better than me.

So, tell me, what is Communism? (and don't do the "I don't need to tell you, go look it up for yourself" bullshit, it's embarrassing to see people do that).
Communism is an ideology first espoused by Karl Marx. It demands that a revolution be accomplished with violence by first stealing the means of production from the owners. Which of course means destrpoying the means of production. This is followed by or accompanied by overthrowing the government and estsblishing a despotic dictatorship over all people.Ultimately this dictatorship will cheerfully disband and whither away when it is no longer needed and all people will happliy live in a state of perpetual slavery.

Marx believed this was inevitable based on his stupid and highly innacurate critique of capitalism but his followers in the twentieth century adjusted it to force the revolution.n Much the same way foolowers of christianity start new religions with slight adjustments in the details but the same basic gods.
 
1) Joseph Stalin played the greatest role of any mortal in defeating Nazis and saving the World from Nazism.

2) Joseph Stalin helped create Israel.
Yes he did. Which is irrelevant as he commited even greater genocide thasn the nazis did. Saving the world from naziism in order to subject the world to communism is not doing the world a favor.

Communism is far bloodier and worse thasn naziism. What he did was akin to a serial killer stopping a mass murderer.

Communism was originally built on Equality. Sadly, it went off the original way. About 3.3 Million people died in Joseph Stalin's Penal System.


Nazism was built on the idea of Superiority and Genocide. Six Million Jews, 3.5 Million Soviet POWs and 12 Million other noncombatants were killed by Nazis. Nazism was much worse.
Communism killed a hundred million people in the 20th Century.

Let's not give it another chance.

Such a nonsense statement. Just emotion. No understanding whatsoever.
An accurate statement with more understanding than you possess. You are NOT better educated informed or enlightened about this subject you are strictly spi8uting knee jerk talking points

So, are you saying that if something doesn't work, it should never be tried again? Should never be improved upon?

Also you're missing the FACT that China is rising, Vietnam is rising, Laos is doing much better than before, all with Socialism.


Vietnam's annual growth has been above 5% since 2000.


2019 was the first time this century that Laos' has been below 5% at 4.6%.

And China is in a similar situation.

Facts suggest that you're wrong.
I am saying the definition of insanity is trying the same bad idea over and over expecting different results.

Yes we do not try horrific ideas such as naziism again and for good reason. No human should ever try communism again for the exact same reason. It never works, never will and always fails.

You are quite wrong. Those natons are rising because they reluctantly allowed capitalism to grow. Until then they were failures in every respect.

Facts prove me right.
 
If it hasn't worked in the past, it's not going to work in the future.

And it's never worked in the past.

That's such an illogical position to take.

Literally, if you fail at first, give up and never try again.

The problem with political systems is there are many ways to flog a horse.

You can set up Socialism in a million different ways. You can be intelligent about it and use human psychology to get the best out of workers, or you can just demand they do what they're told and use fear, or you can simply let the workers be lazy.

Each will have different results.

China is doing things much differently to the way the USSR did things, or how Cuba do things. So you'll have different results.
Unfortunately, you are speaking to an uneducated fool who doesn't understand a word you are saying. He's got a tattoo on the palm of one hand, "Capitalism, good" "Communism, bad" that he can glance at any time a political discussion arises. He has no idea of what philosophy goes into each of them or how many different ways they can be applied.
And yet, oddly, with all the ways Communism can be applied, it always winds up with tyranny and oppression.

Some people think that's a success. Some people are retarded.

Well, isn't Capitalism the same?

Hasn't the US pounded on a lot of people? Still does.
No it is not and the US pounding on others is a government not capitalism

Then the same would be said about Communism. It's a GOVERNMENT pounding on people, killing people, not COMMUNISM.

You can't have it both ways.


The same would not be said about communism as it is specifcally and explicitly designed to do those things where other governments are not.
 
1) Joseph Stalin played the greatest role of any mortal in defeating Nazis and saving the World from Nazism.

2) Joseph Stalin helped create Israel.
Yes he did. Which is irrelevant as he commited even greater genocide thasn the nazis did. Saving the world from naziism in order to subject the world to communism is not doing the world a favor.

Communism is far bloodier and worse thasn naziism. What he did was akin to a serial killer stopping a mass murderer.

Communism was originally built on Equality. Sadly, it went off the original way. About 3.3 Million people died in Joseph Stalin's Penal System.


Nazism was built on the idea of Superiority and Genocide. Six Million Jews, 3.5 Million Soviet POWs and 12 Million other noncombatants were killed by Nazis. Nazism was much worse.
Communism killed a hundred million people in the 20th Century.

Let's not give it another chance.

Such a nonsense statement. Just emotion. No understanding whatsoever.
There is no rational way to make the case for Communism, unless you want millions more people dead.

Yeah, I'm quite sure from your perspective, and your level of thinking, that is the case.
It is fact not perspective. Communism always results in deliberate mass murder and genocide.

How can it be "fact"?

Firstly, has there ever been a Communist state?

There are countries that are Socialist. But are they actually working towards Communism? Was the USSR working towards Communism? No. Because it never got anywhere close and a lot of the stuff they did went against Communism.

Secondly, there have only been a few countries that have tried supposed "Communism" and there are four currently that haven't failed at all.

Thirdly, you don't know what could happen in the future.

If I try and make a cake and I fail fifty times, does this mean that it's impossible? That I can't learn from my mistakes and I can't improve?
It is a historic fact like it or not. and yes there have been many communist states.
 
The basic idea is not about property calling it theft or not self made. The basic idea is " from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". This is the same basic idea behind slavery which is why it is no coincidence that every communist nation is a slave state.
They got it from the Bible.
That is not a defense of slavery, nor does it lend legitamacy to an evil idea.

But no they did not. There is no such scripture.
Slavery is not about free-market Capitalism.

Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about any "gospel Truth". Appeals to ignorance is all right-wingers are best at.

All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. ... Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.[25]

— Acts 2:44–45, Acts 4:32–35
Please point out where the Roman government mandated this sharing.

Again: Communism can work only in small communities and strictly voluntarily.
Read some history of the Roman Empire.

Only the Religious seem to be able to make it work. Not enough morals to go around among the secular laity?
Face it, kid. You fucked up. There is no Biblical justification for the tyranny you want.
If you had enough reading comprehension you would understand it take morals for that not right-wing fantasy.
Morals to steal from people?

You do know words have meanings, right? You don't get to make up new ones?
Only right-wingers allege that. The rest of us know that the social power to Tax is delegated to our representatives to Government.
"Social power".

No such thing.

But it's HILARIOUS you believe you get to make up definitions! How insanely intellectually bankrupt! :auiqs.jpg:
The ignorance of the right-wing is astounding.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It is accomplished via the social-ism of Government.
Government is not socialism.

Socialism is a form of government which always fails.

That is fact in your face which has been proven time again but being a dishonest and immature right winger you still cling to a proven fallacy

It doesn't always fail at all. There have been a few examples of Socialism and they have failed because they struggled to deal with some of the fundamentals. I'm not a Socialist, but the doesn't mean it can't work.

People would say Capitalism has always failed too. Look at 2008.
Capiyalism is still going strong socialism always fails.

Such a silly statement to make. How many Socialist countries have there ever been?

China. Hasn't failed
Cuba. Hasn't failed
Laos. Hasn't failed
Vietnam. Hasn't failed
Venezuela has failed insanely badly. Unless you think people eating their pets is a success.

Yes, Venezuela is failing badly.

Venezuela is a country run by people. Does this mean that ALL countries run by people will fail?

Plenty of capitalist countries have also failed. Somalia, Zimbabwe. Does this mean we should immediately stop capitalism?
Somalia is anogther failed socialist state.

Zimbabwe was barely a state at all.

Well, it was Socialist from 1969 to 1989/1991.

So, in theory it was a failed Capitalist state until 1969.

Zimbabwe actually was a pretty strong state. It had economic problems, the worst seemingly because of Mugabe's new wife. Now the crocodile's in, he seems to be a less competent leader than Mugabe (oh dear).

But whenever I went to Zimbabwe it seemed a better place than Mozambique or South Africa, less crime at least.

The point is that capitalist states also fail, and why? Because of bad leadership.

Often Socialism has failed because those implementing it are dictators. Like Pinochet in Chile, the military Junta in Argentina etc, a lot of DICTATORS FAIL.

The Socialist and the Capitalist.
Socialism does not fail because of bad leadership it fails to to inherent stupidity of the idea.

And why is it stupid, exactly?
Because people are far better at solving their own problems than a central government is capable of doing.

Well... not always true. China is clearly improving massively because they've taken the problem solving away from the people.

And the US is eating itself alive because people think they have this freedom to solve their own problems, but the country can't solve the problems of high crime.

The reality is, as a non-Communist, non-Socialist, is that you need a mixture of the two, in my opinion.

That China is forging ahead and will be ahead of the US at some point, suggests that your black and white image is not correct.
Wrong china is improving because of capitalism which by deinition returns power to individuals to control their own lives and solve their own problems.

The US is succesful because we started thast way and still retain some of that self determination but it is being lost.'
 
The fall of the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc countries did not spell the end of Communism. It clings on in Cuba, North Vietnam and in Venezuela.

However, the true threat comes from within the United States.

Communists are recruited in college or university through front groups that pretend to be concerned with other issues. The two most prominent Communist front group today is Black Lives Matter and Antifa.

However, very few Communists will admit to being Communists. One of the first thing a new Communist is taught is to lie and always deny being a Communist.

In the United States, Communists have infiltrated and now control a large percentage of our institutions. The Communists call this the "Long March Through the Institutions."

Communists take advantage of the fact that most Americans do not concern themselves that much with political issues, but devote themselves to career and family. Communists will always put Communism above all else, and will devote more time to their cause than anyone else will devote to any other cause.

The stolen election of 2020 was a Communist takeover. For the first time in American history, we do not have a democratically elected government. We are ruled by Communists who will do whatever it takes to ensure that a fair election is never again held in the United States.
Communism and totalitarianism remain threats to democratic self-governance, the system arrived at by all the most advanced nations that regulate capitalism as they promote the welfare of the People, the pragmatic response to ideological dogma.

Extremists cannot be allowed to co-opt what has proven to be most successful.
 
How many native Americans died with no communism involved?
And blacks. Lynchings & the Tuskeegee Experiment just for starters. Do you see any Communists there? Nope! In fact, the most anti-Communist morons committed those atrocities ..... in the name of Capitalism!!!
None of those offenses were commited in the name of capitalism.

Msssive failure for you
In the name of What, were they committed?
 

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