Communist is the worst idea ever invented and yet it is believed in by millions

[daveman]

Capiyalism is still going strong socialism always fails.

Such a silly statement to make. How many Socialist countries have there ever been?

China. Hasn't failed
Cuba. Hasn't failed
Laos. Hasn't failed
Vietnam. Hasn't failed

and how many millions have been killed in those countries under commie rule ? and countries that practice capitalism have a much better standard of living .

Bull shit. How many millions have been killed by Capitalist countries? And the US (that boasts of being the Capitalist leader of the world) has a terrible standard of living. Just look at the percentage of poverty in the US.

Poor people in America have big-screen televisions, cars, and cell phones.

How about poor people in Asia or Africa?

 

[daveman]

The fall of the Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc countries did not spell the end of Communism. It clings on in Cuba, North Vietnam and in Venezuela.

However, the true threat comes from within the United States.

Communists are recruited in college or university through front groups that pretend to be concerned with other issues. The two most prominent Communist front group today is Black Lives Matter and Antifa.

However, very few Communists will admit to being Communists. One of the first thing a new Communist is taught is to lie and always deny being a Communist.

In the United States, Communists have infiltrated and now control a large percentage of our institutions. The Communists call this the "Long March Through the Institutions."

Communists take advantage of the fact that most Americans do not concern themselves that much with political issues, but devote themselves to career and family. Communists will always put Communism above all else, and will devote more time to their cause than anyone else will devote to any other cause.

The stolen election of 2020 was a Communist takeover. For the first time in American history, we do not have a democratically elected government. We are ruled by Communists who will do whatever it takes to ensure that a fair election is never again held in the United States.

These nations are not examples of Communism, they are examples of Totalitarianism.
There never was a Communist nation and there never will be one.

Correct as in communism goes against human nature.

It sounds great......'from each according to his ability to each according to his need' ----but has never worked anywhere. Only the gullible and overly idealistic (academics and students) buy into it.

There are three types of people who believe in Communism:

1. As you say, the gullible and idealistic, those who have no clue about human nature, who crave a Utopian solution to what they perceive as injustices, and who unquestioningly swallow the indoctrination.

2. The lazy who don't want to work, and think the State will provide all their needs.

3. Those who know about the murderous history of Communism and are okay with it, because they believe they will have power over their fellow man. These people are evil.

We have some of each on USMB.

Yes there are and they are truly evil.

March 3 2018
U.S. President Donald Trump praised Chinese President Xi Jinping Saturday after the ruling Communist party announced it was eliminating the two-term limit for the presidency, paving the way for Xi to serve indefinitely.

“He’s now president for life, president for life. And he’s great,” Trump said, according to audio of excerpts of Trump’s remarks at a closed-door fundraiser in Florida.
“And look, he was able to do that. I think it’s great. Maybe we’ll have to give that a shot someday,” Trump said to cheers and applause from supporters.

The Trump cult cheering for communist and communism.

Are you expecting me to say, "Oh, since TRUMP said it, it has to be right!"?

Because praising totalitarianism is wrong, I don't care who does it.

Now, predictably, you will screech NUH UH YOU DO TO BELEIVE IT.

Surprise me. Don't.

"Are you expecting me to say, "Oh, since TRUMP said it, it has to be right!"?

Actually .........................Yes.

You surprised me with your response.
No evasion, support, defense or deflection, from Trump's comment.

A bit of honesty I wasn't expecting.

Yay you. Conservatives aren't a hive mind.

 

[daveman]

Holy shit, there sure are a lot of would-be Commies on here sucking the shriveled dick of Communism.

Fucking Useful Idiot retards.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The basic idea is not about property calling it theft or not self made. The basic idea is " from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". This is the same basic idea behind slavery which is why it is no coincidence that every communist nation is a slave state.

They got it from the Bible.

That is not a defense of slavery, nor does it lend legitamacy to an evil idea.

But no they did not. There is no such scripture.

Slavery is not about free-market Capitalism.

Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about any "gospel Truth". Appeals to ignorance is all right-wingers are best at.

All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. ... Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.[25]

— Acts 2:44–45, Acts 4:32–35

Christian communism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Please point out where the Roman government mandated this sharing.

Again: Communism can work only in small communities and strictly voluntarily.

Read some history of the Roman Empire.

Only the Religious seem to be able to make it work. Not enough morals to go around among the secular laity?

Face it, kid. You fucked up. There is no Biblical justification for the tyranny you want.

If you had enough reading comprehension you would understand it take morals for that not right-wing fantasy.

Morals to steal from people?

You do know words have meanings, right? You don't get to make up new ones?

Only right-wingers allege that. The rest of us know that the social power to Tax is delegated to our representatives to Government.

"Social power".

No such thing.

But it's HILARIOUS you believe you get to make up definitions! How insanely intellectually bankrupt!

The ignorance of the right-wing is astounding.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It is accomplished via the social-ism of Government.

Government is not socialism.

Socialism is a form of government which always fails.

That is fact in your face which has been proven time again but being a dishonest and immature right winger you still cling to a proven fallacy

It doesn't always fail at all. There have been a few examples of Socialism and they have failed because they struggled to deal with some of the fundamentals. I'm not a Socialist, but the doesn't mean it can't work.

People would say Capitalism has always failed too. Look at 2008.

If it hasn't worked in the past, it's not going to work in the future.

And it's never worked in the past.

That's such an illogical position to take.

Literally, if you fail at first, give up and never try again.

The problem with political systems is there are many ways to flog a horse.

You can set up Socialism in a million different ways. You can be intelligent about it and use human psychology to get the best out of workers, or you can just demand they do what they're told and use fear, or you can simply let the workers be lazy.

Each will have different results.

China is doing things much differently to the way the USSR did things, or how Cuba do things. So you'll have different results.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The basic idea is not about property calling it theft or not self made. The basic idea is " from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". This is the same basic idea behind slavery which is why it is no coincidence that every communist nation is a slave state.

They got it from the Bible.

That is not a defense of slavery, nor does it lend legitamacy to an evil idea.

But no they did not. There is no such scripture.

Slavery is not about free-market Capitalism.

Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about any "gospel Truth". Appeals to ignorance is all right-wingers are best at.

All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. ... Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.[25]

— Acts 2:44–45, Acts 4:32–35

Christian communism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Please point out where the Roman government mandated this sharing.

Again: Communism can work only in small communities and strictly voluntarily.

Read some history of the Roman Empire.

Only the Religious seem to be able to make it work. Not enough morals to go around among the secular laity?

Face it, kid. You fucked up. There is no Biblical justification for the tyranny you want.

If you had enough reading comprehension you would understand it take morals for that not right-wing fantasy.

Morals to steal from people?

You do know words have meanings, right? You don't get to make up new ones?

Only right-wingers allege that. The rest of us know that the social power to Tax is delegated to our representatives to Government.

"Social power".

No such thing.

But it's HILARIOUS you believe you get to make up definitions! How insanely intellectually bankrupt!

The ignorance of the right-wing is astounding.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It is accomplished via the social-ism of Government.

Government is not socialism.

Socialism is a form of government which always fails.

That is fact in your face which has been proven time again but being a dishonest and immature right winger you still cling to a proven fallacy

It doesn't always fail at all. There have been a few examples of Socialism and they have failed because they struggled to deal with some of the fundamentals. I'm not a Socialist, but the doesn't mean it can't work.

People would say Capitalism has always failed too. Look at 2008.

Capiyalism is still going strong socialism always fails.

Such a silly statement to make. How many Socialist countries have there ever been?

China. Hasn't failed
Cuba. Hasn't failed
Laos. Hasn't failed
Vietnam. Hasn't failed

Venezuela has failed insanely badly. Unless you think people eating their pets is a success.

Yes, Venezuela is failing badly.

Venezuela is a country run by people. Does this mean that ALL countries run by people will fail?

Plenty of capitalist countries have also failed. Somalia, Zimbabwe. Does this mean we should immediately stop capitalism?

 

[initforme]

Lions and tigers and communists oh my. The big bad Boogeymen communists. .000000000000000000000000000000000001 percent of the population. Hide under your bed. Laughing hysterically.

 

[Blackrook]

Lions and tigers and communists oh my. The big bad Boogeymen communists. .000000000000000000000000000000000001 percent of the population. Hide under your bed. Laughing hysterically.

You prove yourself to be a Communist when you deny that Communism is a threat to our nation.

 

[daveman]

The basic idea is not about property calling it theft or not self made. The basic idea is " from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". This is the same basic idea behind slavery which is why it is no coincidence that every communist nation is a slave state.

They got it from the Bible.

That is not a defense of slavery, nor does it lend legitamacy to an evil idea.

But no they did not. There is no such scripture.

Slavery is not about free-market Capitalism.

Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about any "gospel Truth". Appeals to ignorance is all right-wingers are best at.

All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. ... Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.[25]

— Acts 2:44–45, Acts 4:32–35

Christian communism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Please point out where the Roman government mandated this sharing.

Again: Communism can work only in small communities and strictly voluntarily.

Read some history of the Roman Empire.

Only the Religious seem to be able to make it work. Not enough morals to go around among the secular laity?

Face it, kid. You fucked up. There is no Biblical justification for the tyranny you want.

If you had enough reading comprehension you would understand it take morals for that not right-wing fantasy.

Morals to steal from people?

You do know words have meanings, right? You don't get to make up new ones?

Only right-wingers allege that. The rest of us know that the social power to Tax is delegated to our representatives to Government.

"Social power".

No such thing.

But it's HILARIOUS you believe you get to make up definitions! How insanely intellectually bankrupt!

The ignorance of the right-wing is astounding.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It is accomplished via the social-ism of Government.

Government is not socialism.

Socialism is a form of government which always fails.

That is fact in your face which has been proven time again but being a dishonest and immature right winger you still cling to a proven fallacy

It doesn't always fail at all. There have been a few examples of Socialism and they have failed because they struggled to deal with some of the fundamentals. I'm not a Socialist, but the doesn't mean it can't work.

People would say Capitalism has always failed too. Look at 2008.

If it hasn't worked in the past, it's not going to work in the future.

And it's never worked in the past.

That's such an illogical position to take.

Literally, if you fail at first, give up and never try again.

The problem with political systems is there are many ways to flog a horse.

You can set up Socialism in a million different ways. You can be intelligent about it and use human psychology to get the best out of workers, or you can just demand they do what they're told and use fear, or you can simply let the workers be lazy.

Each will have different results.

China is doing things much differently to the way the USSR did things, or how Cuba do things. So you'll have different results.

NO GUISE HONEST ITLL WORK THIS TIME PINKIE SWEAR

Yeah, I think I'll pass.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The basic idea is not about property calling it theft or not self made. The basic idea is " from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". This is the same basic idea behind slavery which is why it is no coincidence that every communist nation is a slave state.

They got it from the Bible.

That is not a defense of slavery, nor does it lend legitamacy to an evil idea.

But no they did not. There is no such scripture.

Slavery is not about free-market Capitalism.

Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about any "gospel Truth". Appeals to ignorance is all right-wingers are best at.

All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. ... Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.[25]

— Acts 2:44–45, Acts 4:32–35

Christian communism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Please point out where the Roman government mandated this sharing.

Again: Communism can work only in small communities and strictly voluntarily.

Read some history of the Roman Empire.

Only the Religious seem to be able to make it work. Not enough morals to go around among the secular laity?

Face it, kid. You fucked up. There is no Biblical justification for the tyranny you want.

If you had enough reading comprehension you would understand it take morals for that not right-wing fantasy.

Morals to steal from people?

You do know words have meanings, right? You don't get to make up new ones?

Only right-wingers allege that. The rest of us know that the social power to Tax is delegated to our representatives to Government.

"Social power".

No such thing.

But it's HILARIOUS you believe you get to make up definitions! How insanely intellectually bankrupt!

The ignorance of the right-wing is astounding.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It is accomplished via the social-ism of Government.

Government is not socialism.

Socialism is a form of government which always fails.

That is fact in your face which has been proven time again but being a dishonest and immature right winger you still cling to a proven fallacy

It doesn't always fail at all. There have been a few examples of Socialism and they have failed because they struggled to deal with some of the fundamentals. I'm not a Socialist, but the doesn't mean it can't work.

People would say Capitalism has always failed too. Look at 2008.

If it hasn't worked in the past, it's not going to work in the future.

And it's never worked in the past.

That's such an illogical position to take.

Literally, if you fail at first, give up and never try again.

The problem with political systems is there are many ways to flog a horse.

You can set up Socialism in a million different ways. You can be intelligent about it and use human psychology to get the best out of workers, or you can just demand they do what they're told and use fear, or you can simply let the workers be lazy.

Each will have different results.

China is doing things much differently to the way the USSR did things, or how Cuba do things. So you'll have different results.

NO GUISE HONEST ITLL WORK THIS TIME PINKIE SWEAR

Yeah, I think I'll pass.

View attachment 504518

What? I didn't understand a single thing.

 

[daveman]

The basic idea is not about property calling it theft or not self made. The basic idea is " from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". This is the same basic idea behind slavery which is why it is no coincidence that every communist nation is a slave state.

They got it from the Bible.

That is not a defense of slavery, nor does it lend legitamacy to an evil idea.

But no they did not. There is no such scripture.

Slavery is not about free-market Capitalism.

Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about any "gospel Truth". Appeals to ignorance is all right-wingers are best at.

All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. ... Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.[25]

— Acts 2:44–45, Acts 4:32–35

Christian communism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Please point out where the Roman government mandated this sharing.

Again: Communism can work only in small communities and strictly voluntarily.

Read some history of the Roman Empire.

Only the Religious seem to be able to make it work. Not enough morals to go around among the secular laity?

Face it, kid. You fucked up. There is no Biblical justification for the tyranny you want.

If you had enough reading comprehension you would understand it take morals for that not right-wing fantasy.

Morals to steal from people?

You do know words have meanings, right? You don't get to make up new ones?

Only right-wingers allege that. The rest of us know that the social power to Tax is delegated to our representatives to Government.

"Social power".

No such thing.

But it's HILARIOUS you believe you get to make up definitions! How insanely intellectually bankrupt!

The ignorance of the right-wing is astounding.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It is accomplished via the social-ism of Government.

Government is not socialism.

Socialism is a form of government which always fails.

That is fact in your face which has been proven time again but being a dishonest and immature right winger you still cling to a proven fallacy

It doesn't always fail at all. There have been a few examples of Socialism and they have failed because they struggled to deal with some of the fundamentals. I'm not a Socialist, but the doesn't mean it can't work.

People would say Capitalism has always failed too. Look at 2008.

Capiyalism is still going strong socialism always fails.

Such a silly statement to make. How many Socialist countries have there ever been?

China. Hasn't failed
Cuba. Hasn't failed
Laos. Hasn't failed
Vietnam. Hasn't failed

Venezuela has failed insanely badly. Unless you think people eating their pets is a success.

Yes, Venezuela is failing badly.

Venezuela is a country run by people. Does this mean that ALL countries run by people will fail?

Plenty of capitalist countries have also failed. Somalia, Zimbabwe. Does this mean we should immediately stop capitalism?

Countries are run by people?! Oh, no!

I bet you though you had a point, too.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Lions and tigers and communists oh my. The big bad Boogeymen communists. .000000000000000000000000000000000001 percent of the population. Hide under your bed. Laughing hysterically.

You prove yourself to be a Communist when you deny that Communism is a threat to our nation.

As a person who isn't a Communist and isn't a Socialist, the biggest threat to the US right now is the US. China is rising and will be a threat to the whole world at some point, but the US will probably have eaten itself dry by then.

 

[daveman]

The basic idea is not about property calling it theft or not self made. The basic idea is " from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". This is the same basic idea behind slavery which is why it is no coincidence that every communist nation is a slave state.

They got it from the Bible.

That is not a defense of slavery, nor does it lend legitamacy to an evil idea.

But no they did not. There is no such scripture.

Slavery is not about free-market Capitalism.

Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about any "gospel Truth". Appeals to ignorance is all right-wingers are best at.

All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. ... Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.[25]

— Acts 2:44–45, Acts 4:32–35

Christian communism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Please point out where the Roman government mandated this sharing.

Again: Communism can work only in small communities and strictly voluntarily.

Read some history of the Roman Empire.

Only the Religious seem to be able to make it work. Not enough morals to go around among the secular laity?

Face it, kid. You fucked up. There is no Biblical justification for the tyranny you want.

If you had enough reading comprehension you would understand it take morals for that not right-wing fantasy.

Morals to steal from people?

You do know words have meanings, right? You don't get to make up new ones?

Only right-wingers allege that. The rest of us know that the social power to Tax is delegated to our representatives to Government.

"Social power".

No such thing.

But it's HILARIOUS you believe you get to make up definitions! How insanely intellectually bankrupt!

The ignorance of the right-wing is astounding.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It is accomplished via the social-ism of Government.

Government is not socialism.

Socialism is a form of government which always fails.

That is fact in your face which has been proven time again but being a dishonest and immature right winger you still cling to a proven fallacy

It doesn't always fail at all. There have been a few examples of Socialism and they have failed because they struggled to deal with some of the fundamentals. I'm not a Socialist, but the doesn't mean it can't work.

People would say Capitalism has always failed too. Look at 2008.

If it hasn't worked in the past, it's not going to work in the future.

And it's never worked in the past.

That's such an illogical position to take.

Literally, if you fail at first, give up and never try again.

The problem with political systems is there are many ways to flog a horse.

You can set up Socialism in a million different ways. You can be intelligent about it and use human psychology to get the best out of workers, or you can just demand they do what they're told and use fear, or you can simply let the workers be lazy.

Each will have different results.

China is doing things much differently to the way the USSR did things, or how Cuba do things. So you'll have different results.

NO GUISE HONEST ITLL WORK THIS TIME PINKIE SWEAR

Yeah, I think I'll pass.

View attachment 504518

What? I didn't understand a single thing.

It's pretty simply. People who want to try failed ideologies always say "it'll work this time".

No, it won't.

And the image itself is simple, too. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to vote Democrat.

That's why Democrats keep insisting "it'll work this time!"

 

[frigidweirdo]

The basic idea is not about property calling it theft or not self made. The basic idea is " from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". This is the same basic idea behind slavery which is why it is no coincidence that every communist nation is a slave state.

They got it from the Bible.

That is not a defense of slavery, nor does it lend legitamacy to an evil idea.

But no they did not. There is no such scripture.

Slavery is not about free-market Capitalism.

Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about any "gospel Truth". Appeals to ignorance is all right-wingers are best at.

All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. ... Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.[25]

— Acts 2:44–45, Acts 4:32–35

Christian communism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Please point out where the Roman government mandated this sharing.

Again: Communism can work only in small communities and strictly voluntarily.

Read some history of the Roman Empire.

Only the Religious seem to be able to make it work. Not enough morals to go around among the secular laity?

Face it, kid. You fucked up. There is no Biblical justification for the tyranny you want.

If you had enough reading comprehension you would understand it take morals for that not right-wing fantasy.

Morals to steal from people?

You do know words have meanings, right? You don't get to make up new ones?

Only right-wingers allege that. The rest of us know that the social power to Tax is delegated to our representatives to Government.

"Social power".

No such thing.

But it's HILARIOUS you believe you get to make up definitions! How insanely intellectually bankrupt!

The ignorance of the right-wing is astounding.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It is accomplished via the social-ism of Government.

Government is not socialism.

Socialism is a form of government which always fails.

That is fact in your face which has been proven time again but being a dishonest and immature right winger you still cling to a proven fallacy

It doesn't always fail at all. There have been a few examples of Socialism and they have failed because they struggled to deal with some of the fundamentals. I'm not a Socialist, but the doesn't mean it can't work.

People would say Capitalism has always failed too. Look at 2008.

Capiyalism is still going strong socialism always fails.

Such a silly statement to make. How many Socialist countries have there ever been?

China. Hasn't failed
Cuba. Hasn't failed
Laos. Hasn't failed
Vietnam. Hasn't failed

Venezuela has failed insanely badly. Unless you think people eating their pets is a success.

Yes, Venezuela is failing badly.

Venezuela is a country run by people. Does this mean that ALL countries run by people will fail?

Plenty of capitalist countries have also failed. Somalia, Zimbabwe. Does this mean we should immediately stop capitalism?

Countries are run by people?! Oh, no!

I bet you though you had a point, too.

The point being that if you take a parameter and then you say "well, this has failed, so it'll never work, we could start with "run by people", as many countries run by people have failed, therefore your argument would be, they'll all fail. Inevitable.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The basic idea is not about property calling it theft or not self made. The basic idea is " from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". This is the same basic idea behind slavery which is why it is no coincidence that every communist nation is a slave state.

They got it from the Bible.

That is not a defense of slavery, nor does it lend legitamacy to an evil idea.

But no they did not. There is no such scripture.

Slavery is not about free-market Capitalism.

Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about any "gospel Truth". Appeals to ignorance is all right-wingers are best at.

All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. ... Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.[25]

— Acts 2:44–45, Acts 4:32–35

Christian communism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Please point out where the Roman government mandated this sharing.

Again: Communism can work only in small communities and strictly voluntarily.

Read some history of the Roman Empire.

Only the Religious seem to be able to make it work. Not enough morals to go around among the secular laity?

Face it, kid. You fucked up. There is no Biblical justification for the tyranny you want.

If you had enough reading comprehension you would understand it take morals for that not right-wing fantasy.

Morals to steal from people?

You do know words have meanings, right? You don't get to make up new ones?

Only right-wingers allege that. The rest of us know that the social power to Tax is delegated to our representatives to Government.

"Social power".

No such thing.

But it's HILARIOUS you believe you get to make up definitions! How insanely intellectually bankrupt!

The ignorance of the right-wing is astounding.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It is accomplished via the social-ism of Government.

Government is not socialism.

Socialism is a form of government which always fails.

That is fact in your face which has been proven time again but being a dishonest and immature right winger you still cling to a proven fallacy

It doesn't always fail at all. There have been a few examples of Socialism and they have failed because they struggled to deal with some of the fundamentals. I'm not a Socialist, but the doesn't mean it can't work.

People would say Capitalism has always failed too. Look at 2008.

If it hasn't worked in the past, it's not going to work in the future.

And it's never worked in the past.

That's such an illogical position to take.

Literally, if you fail at first, give up and never try again.

The problem with political systems is there are many ways to flog a horse.

You can set up Socialism in a million different ways. You can be intelligent about it and use human psychology to get the best out of workers, or you can just demand they do what they're told and use fear, or you can simply let the workers be lazy.

Each will have different results.

China is doing things much differently to the way the USSR did things, or how Cuba do things. So you'll have different results.

NO GUISE HONEST ITLL WORK THIS TIME PINKIE SWEAR

Yeah, I think I'll pass.

View attachment 504518

What? I didn't understand a single thing.

It's pretty simply. People who want to try failed ideologies always say "it'll work this time".

No, it won't.

And the image itself is simple, too. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to vote Democrat.

That's why Democrats keep insisting "it'll work this time!"

The problem is there are many ways to run a country with the same ideology.

So, yeah, if you'd do the USSR again in the same way, it'd fail.

But China isn't doing Socialism in the same way as the USSR. So, you can't say "because the USSR failed, China will too."

 

[daveman]

The basic idea is not about property calling it theft or not self made. The basic idea is " from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". This is the same basic idea behind slavery which is why it is no coincidence that every communist nation is a slave state.

They got it from the Bible.

That is not a defense of slavery, nor does it lend legitamacy to an evil idea.

But no they did not. There is no such scripture.

Slavery is not about free-market Capitalism.

Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about any "gospel Truth". Appeals to ignorance is all right-wingers are best at.

All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. ... Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.[25]

— Acts 2:44–45, Acts 4:32–35

Christian communism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Please point out where the Roman government mandated this sharing.

Again: Communism can work only in small communities and strictly voluntarily.

Read some history of the Roman Empire.

Only the Religious seem to be able to make it work. Not enough morals to go around among the secular laity?

Face it, kid. You fucked up. There is no Biblical justification for the tyranny you want.

If you had enough reading comprehension you would understand it take morals for that not right-wing fantasy.

Morals to steal from people?

You do know words have meanings, right? You don't get to make up new ones?

Only right-wingers allege that. The rest of us know that the social power to Tax is delegated to our representatives to Government.

"Social power".

No such thing.

But it's HILARIOUS you believe you get to make up definitions! How insanely intellectually bankrupt!

The ignorance of the right-wing is astounding.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It is accomplished via the social-ism of Government.

Government is not socialism.

Socialism is a form of government which always fails.

That is fact in your face which has been proven time again but being a dishonest and immature right winger you still cling to a proven fallacy

It doesn't always fail at all. There have been a few examples of Socialism and they have failed because they struggled to deal with some of the fundamentals. I'm not a Socialist, but the doesn't mean it can't work.

People would say Capitalism has always failed too. Look at 2008.

Capiyalism is still going strong socialism always fails.

Such a silly statement to make. How many Socialist countries have there ever been?

China. Hasn't failed
Cuba. Hasn't failed
Laos. Hasn't failed
Vietnam. Hasn't failed

Venezuela has failed insanely badly. Unless you think people eating their pets is a success.

Yes, Venezuela is failing badly.

Venezuela is a country run by people. Does this mean that ALL countries run by people will fail?

Plenty of capitalist countries have also failed. Somalia, Zimbabwe. Does this mean we should immediately stop capitalism?

Countries are run by people?! Oh, no!

I bet you though you had a point, too.

The point being that if you take a parameter and then you say "well, this has failed, so it'll never work, we could start with "run by people", as many countries run by people have failed, therefore your argument would be, they'll all fail. Inevitable.

Perhaps. Yet as an economic system, capitalism has lifted the greatest number of people out of poverty.

 

[daveman]

The basic idea is not about property calling it theft or not self made. The basic idea is " from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". This is the same basic idea behind slavery which is why it is no coincidence that every communist nation is a slave state.

They got it from the Bible.

That is not a defense of slavery, nor does it lend legitamacy to an evil idea.

But no they did not. There is no such scripture.

Slavery is not about free-market Capitalism.

Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about any "gospel Truth". Appeals to ignorance is all right-wingers are best at.

All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. ... Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.[25]

— Acts 2:44–45, Acts 4:32–35

Christian communism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Please point out where the Roman government mandated this sharing.

Again: Communism can work only in small communities and strictly voluntarily.

Read some history of the Roman Empire.

Only the Religious seem to be able to make it work. Not enough morals to go around among the secular laity?

Face it, kid. You fucked up. There is no Biblical justification for the tyranny you want.

If you had enough reading comprehension you would understand it take morals for that not right-wing fantasy.

Morals to steal from people?

You do know words have meanings, right? You don't get to make up new ones?

Only right-wingers allege that. The rest of us know that the social power to Tax is delegated to our representatives to Government.

"Social power".

No such thing.

But it's HILARIOUS you believe you get to make up definitions! How insanely intellectually bankrupt!

The ignorance of the right-wing is astounding.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It is accomplished via the social-ism of Government.

Government is not socialism.

Socialism is a form of government which always fails.

That is fact in your face which has been proven time again but being a dishonest and immature right winger you still cling to a proven fallacy

It doesn't always fail at all. There have been a few examples of Socialism and they have failed because they struggled to deal with some of the fundamentals. I'm not a Socialist, but the doesn't mean it can't work.

People would say Capitalism has always failed too. Look at 2008.

If it hasn't worked in the past, it's not going to work in the future.

And it's never worked in the past.

That's such an illogical position to take.

Literally, if you fail at first, give up and never try again.

The problem with political systems is there are many ways to flog a horse.

You can set up Socialism in a million different ways. You can be intelligent about it and use human psychology to get the best out of workers, or you can just demand they do what they're told and use fear, or you can simply let the workers be lazy.

Each will have different results.

China is doing things much differently to the way the USSR did things, or how Cuba do things. So you'll have different results.

NO GUISE HONEST ITLL WORK THIS TIME PINKIE SWEAR

Yeah, I think I'll pass.

View attachment 504518

What? I didn't understand a single thing.

It's pretty simply. People who want to try failed ideologies always say "it'll work this time".

No, it won't.

And the image itself is simple, too. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to vote Democrat.

That's why Democrats keep insisting "it'll work this time!"

The problem is there are many ways to run a country with the same ideology.

So, yeah, if you'd do the USSR again in the same way, it'd fail.

But China isn't doing Socialism in the same way as the USSR. So, you can't say "because the USSR failed, China will too."

China is making money using slave labor and is harvesting organs from political prisoners.

Not a huge success there.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The basic idea is not about property calling it theft or not self made. The basic idea is " from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". This is the same basic idea behind slavery which is why it is no coincidence that every communist nation is a slave state.

They got it from the Bible.

That is not a defense of slavery, nor does it lend legitamacy to an evil idea.

But no they did not. There is no such scripture.

Slavery is not about free-market Capitalism.

Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about any "gospel Truth". Appeals to ignorance is all right-wingers are best at.

All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. ... Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.[25]

— Acts 2:44–45, Acts 4:32–35

Christian communism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Please point out where the Roman government mandated this sharing.

Again: Communism can work only in small communities and strictly voluntarily.

Read some history of the Roman Empire.

Only the Religious seem to be able to make it work. Not enough morals to go around among the secular laity?

Face it, kid. You fucked up. There is no Biblical justification for the tyranny you want.

If you had enough reading comprehension you would understand it take morals for that not right-wing fantasy.

Morals to steal from people?

You do know words have meanings, right? You don't get to make up new ones?

Only right-wingers allege that. The rest of us know that the social power to Tax is delegated to our representatives to Government.

"Social power".

No such thing.

But it's HILARIOUS you believe you get to make up definitions! How insanely intellectually bankrupt!

The ignorance of the right-wing is astounding.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It is accomplished via the social-ism of Government.

Government is not socialism.

Socialism is a form of government which always fails.

That is fact in your face which has been proven time again but being a dishonest and immature right winger you still cling to a proven fallacy

It doesn't always fail at all. There have been a few examples of Socialism and they have failed because they struggled to deal with some of the fundamentals. I'm not a Socialist, but the doesn't mean it can't work.

People would say Capitalism has always failed too. Look at 2008.

Capiyalism is still going strong socialism always fails.

Such a silly statement to make. How many Socialist countries have there ever been?

China. Hasn't failed
Cuba. Hasn't failed
Laos. Hasn't failed
Vietnam. Hasn't failed

Venezuela has failed insanely badly. Unless you think people eating their pets is a success.

Yes, Venezuela is failing badly.

Venezuela is a country run by people. Does this mean that ALL countries run by people will fail?

Plenty of capitalist countries have also failed. Somalia, Zimbabwe. Does this mean we should immediately stop capitalism?

Countries are run by people?! Oh, no!

I bet you though you had a point, too.

The point being that if you take a parameter and then you say "well, this has failed, so it'll never work, we could start with "run by people", as many countries run by people have failed, therefore your argument would be, they'll all fail. Inevitable.

Perhaps. Yet as an economic system, capitalism has lifted the greatest number of people out of poverty.

Problem is, poverty is just statistics.

Oh, and China has lifted so many people out of "poverty". Vietnam too, while the US was trying to put them in poverty in the 1970s.

 

[daveman]

The basic idea is not about property calling it theft or not self made. The basic idea is " from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". This is the same basic idea behind slavery which is why it is no coincidence that every communist nation is a slave state.

They got it from the Bible.

That is not a defense of slavery, nor does it lend legitamacy to an evil idea.

But no they did not. There is no such scripture.

Slavery is not about free-market Capitalism.

Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about any "gospel Truth". Appeals to ignorance is all right-wingers are best at.

All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. ... Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.[25]

— Acts 2:44–45, Acts 4:32–35

Christian communism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Please point out where the Roman government mandated this sharing.

Again: Communism can work only in small communities and strictly voluntarily.

Read some history of the Roman Empire.

Only the Religious seem to be able to make it work. Not enough morals to go around among the secular laity?

Face it, kid. You fucked up. There is no Biblical justification for the tyranny you want.

If you had enough reading comprehension you would understand it take morals for that not right-wing fantasy.

Morals to steal from people?

You do know words have meanings, right? You don't get to make up new ones?

Only right-wingers allege that. The rest of us know that the social power to Tax is delegated to our representatives to Government.

"Social power".

No such thing.

But it's HILARIOUS you believe you get to make up definitions! How insanely intellectually bankrupt!

The ignorance of the right-wing is astounding.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It is accomplished via the social-ism of Government.

Government is not socialism.

Socialism is a form of government which always fails.

That is fact in your face which has been proven time again but being a dishonest and immature right winger you still cling to a proven fallacy

It doesn't always fail at all. There have been a few examples of Socialism and they have failed because they struggled to deal with some of the fundamentals. I'm not a Socialist, but the doesn't mean it can't work.

People would say Capitalism has always failed too. Look at 2008.

Capiyalism is still going strong socialism always fails.

Such a silly statement to make. How many Socialist countries have there ever been?

China. Hasn't failed
Cuba. Hasn't failed
Laos. Hasn't failed
Vietnam. Hasn't failed

Venezuela has failed insanely badly. Unless you think people eating their pets is a success.

Yes, Venezuela is failing badly.

Venezuela is a country run by people. Does this mean that ALL countries run by people will fail?

Plenty of capitalist countries have also failed. Somalia, Zimbabwe. Does this mean we should immediately stop capitalism?

Countries are run by people?! Oh, no!

I bet you though you had a point, too.

The point being that if you take a parameter and then you say "well, this has failed, so it'll never work, we could start with "run by people", as many countries run by people have failed, therefore your argument would be, they'll all fail. Inevitable.

Perhaps. Yet as an economic system, capitalism has lifted the greatest number of people out of poverty.

Problem is, poverty is just statistics.

Oh, and China has lifted so many people out of "poverty". Vietnam too, while the US was trying to put them in poverty in the 1970s.

Yeah. Freedom's for suckers, right? Nobody needs it. Just do what you're told, and you get to keep your organs.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The basic idea is not about property calling it theft or not self made. The basic idea is " from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". This is the same basic idea behind slavery which is why it is no coincidence that every communist nation is a slave state.

They got it from the Bible.

That is not a defense of slavery, nor does it lend legitamacy to an evil idea.

But no they did not. There is no such scripture.

Slavery is not about free-market Capitalism.

Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about any "gospel Truth". Appeals to ignorance is all right-wingers are best at.

All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. ... Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.[25]

— Acts 2:44–45, Acts 4:32–35

Christian communism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Please point out where the Roman government mandated this sharing.

Again: Communism can work only in small communities and strictly voluntarily.

Read some history of the Roman Empire.

Only the Religious seem to be able to make it work. Not enough morals to go around among the secular laity?

Face it, kid. You fucked up. There is no Biblical justification for the tyranny you want.

If you had enough reading comprehension you would understand it take morals for that not right-wing fantasy.

Morals to steal from people?

You do know words have meanings, right? You don't get to make up new ones?

Only right-wingers allege that. The rest of us know that the social power to Tax is delegated to our representatives to Government.

"Social power".

No such thing.

But it's HILARIOUS you believe you get to make up definitions! How insanely intellectually bankrupt!

The ignorance of the right-wing is astounding.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It is accomplished via the social-ism of Government.

Government is not socialism.

Socialism is a form of government which always fails.

That is fact in your face which has been proven time again but being a dishonest and immature right winger you still cling to a proven fallacy

It doesn't always fail at all. There have been a few examples of Socialism and they have failed because they struggled to deal with some of the fundamentals. I'm not a Socialist, but the doesn't mean it can't work.

People would say Capitalism has always failed too. Look at 2008.

If it hasn't worked in the past, it's not going to work in the future.

And it's never worked in the past.

That's such an illogical position to take.

Literally, if you fail at first, give up and never try again.

The problem with political systems is there are many ways to flog a horse.

You can set up Socialism in a million different ways. You can be intelligent about it and use human psychology to get the best out of workers, or you can just demand they do what they're told and use fear, or you can simply let the workers be lazy.

Each will have different results.

China is doing things much differently to the way the USSR did things, or how Cuba do things. So you'll have different results.

NO GUISE HONEST ITLL WORK THIS TIME PINKIE SWEAR

Yeah, I think I'll pass.

View attachment 504518

What? I didn't understand a single thing.

It's pretty simply. People who want to try failed ideologies always say "it'll work this time".

No, it won't.

And the image itself is simple, too. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to vote Democrat.

That's why Democrats keep insisting "it'll work this time!"

The problem is there are many ways to run a country with the same ideology.

So, yeah, if you'd do the USSR again in the same way, it'd fail.

But China isn't doing Socialism in the same way as the USSR. So, you can't say "because the USSR failed, China will too."

China is making money using slave labor and is harvesting organs from political prisoners.

Not a huge success there.

And look at the US. They had SLAVERY for 90 years, then segregation, then blacks currently have 25% poverty compared to 7% for whites.

SUCCESS????????

The US goes around the world bombing for oil.

Four OPEC countries hated the US in 2001. Iraq, invaded in 2003. Libya bombed and leader removed in 2011. Venezuela, US supported coup d'etat in 2002 followed by heavy sanctions. Iran, heavy sanctions.

Success?

 

[frigidweirdo]

The basic idea is not about property calling it theft or not self made. The basic idea is " from each according to his ability and to each according to his need". This is the same basic idea behind slavery which is why it is no coincidence that every communist nation is a slave state.

They got it from the Bible.

That is not a defense of slavery, nor does it lend legitamacy to an evil idea.

But no they did not. There is no such scripture.

Slavery is not about free-market Capitalism.

Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about any "gospel Truth". Appeals to ignorance is all right-wingers are best at.

All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45 they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need. ... Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common. ... There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold. They laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.[25]

— Acts 2:44–45, Acts 4:32–35

Christian communism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Please point out where the Roman government mandated this sharing.

Again: Communism can work only in small communities and strictly voluntarily.

Read some history of the Roman Empire.

Only the Religious seem to be able to make it work. Not enough morals to go around among the secular laity?

Face it, kid. You fucked up. There is no Biblical justification for the tyranny you want.

If you had enough reading comprehension you would understand it take morals for that not right-wing fantasy.

Morals to steal from people?

You do know words have meanings, right? You don't get to make up new ones?

Only right-wingers allege that. The rest of us know that the social power to Tax is delegated to our representatives to Government.

"Social power".

No such thing.

But it's HILARIOUS you believe you get to make up definitions! How insanely intellectually bankrupt!

The ignorance of the right-wing is astounding.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It is accomplished via the social-ism of Government.

Government is not socialism.

Socialism is a form of government which always fails.

That is fact in your face which has been proven time again but being a dishonest and immature right winger you still cling to a proven fallacy

It doesn't always fail at all. There have been a few examples of Socialism and they have failed because they struggled to deal with some of the fundamentals. I'm not a Socialist, but the doesn't mean it can't work.

People would say Capitalism has always failed too. Look at 2008.

Capiyalism is still going strong socialism always fails.

Such a silly statement to make. How many Socialist countries have there ever been?

China. Hasn't failed
Cuba. Hasn't failed
Laos. Hasn't failed
Vietnam. Hasn't failed

Venezuela has failed insanely badly. Unless you think people eating their pets is a success.

Yes, Venezuela is failing badly.

Venezuela is a country run by people. Does this mean that ALL countries run by people will fail?

Plenty of capitalist countries have also failed. Somalia, Zimbabwe. Does this mean we should immediately stop capitalism?

Countries are run by people?! Oh, no!

I bet you though you had a point, too.

The point being that if you take a parameter and then you say "well, this has failed, so it'll never work, we could start with "run by people", as many countries run by people have failed, therefore your argument would be, they'll all fail. Inevitable.

Perhaps. Yet as an economic system, capitalism has lifted the greatest number of people out of poverty.

Problem is, poverty is just statistics.

Oh, and China has lifted so many people out of "poverty". Vietnam too, while the US was trying to put them in poverty in the 1970s.

Yeah. Freedom's for suckers, right? Nobody needs it. Just do what you're told, and you get to keep your organs.

Not sure why you brought up freedom.

China may or may not harvest prisoners organs. You literally have the Fulan Gong's word for it that this happens. They don't like the CCP and the CCP doesn't like them. Hardly unbiased.

But the US executes people. The US locks up political prisoners, the US does all kinds of nasty shit too.

It doesn't make China good and it doesn't make the US good.

But BOTH SYSTEMS do bad shit.

What's your point?