Comey Lays His Cards on the Table

[Boss]

You cannot be charged with a crime without intent. If you screw something up at work, you probably did it unintentionally, and you will not be investigated or charged with a crime. It's not rocket science, it's just common sense.

I've never heard anything more absurd in my life. So I can bring a gun to work, point it at my boss and shoot him... then claim I didn't know the gun was loaded and had no intent of actually shooting him? And I'd get off with that defense?

What you are saying is just flat out silly and ridiculous. It completely nullifies our justice system! All anyone ever need do is claim they didn't "intend" to break the law!

What you are talking about here is called mens rea and you can find it explained in specific detail here. Certain crimes have a requirement of specific intent... like murder for example. A person can't be charged with murder unless they had willful intent to take the life of another. If you're driving your car and kill a pedestrian, you can't be charged with murder. You are charged with manslaughter because you didn't INTEND to kill the person. Now, using YOUR simple-minded thinking, you couldn't be charged with manslaughter either because you didn't INTEND to run over a pedestrian!

With mens rea, there are all kinds of INTENT. Basic, objective and specific intent, direct and oblique intent, conditional and unconditional intent, purpose intent and knowledge intent. Geee.... doesn't that seem like an awful lot of distinction for something you are so universally applying?

The law she is guilty of violating has no criteria of intent. But even if it that were the criteria... did Hillary not intend to have a private server? Did she not intend to have classified information on it? Did she not intend for it to be unsecured and hackable? Did she not intend to delete her emails? Did she not intend to lie to Congress about this? And WHO made this determination of intent, Comey and you? It sure as hell wasn't any jury!

 

[flacaltenn]

REPEATING

Repeating the stupid doesn't make it any less stupid.

Can you tell us what defense information Hillary supposedly gave away?

No?

You mean you're just making shit up?

Thanks for clarifying your double standard.

Didn't need to actually "give any information away".. This has never been about espionage. It's about blatant mishandling of classified information which by itself is against rules and regulations and law. She arrogantly REFUSED approved, secure methods of communication and set up a flimsy ad hoc unprotected system to do the MAJORITY of her business/personal communications.

That's removing classified information from the approved methods and practices of protecting it.

 

[daws101]

REPEATING

Repeating the stupid doesn't make it any less stupid.

Can you tell us what defense information Hillary supposedly gave away?

No?

You mean you're just making shit up?

Thanks for clarifying your double standard.

Didn't need to actually "give any information away".. This has never been about espionage. It's about blatant mishandling of classified information which by itself is against rules and regulations and law. She arrogantly REFUSED approved, secure methods of communication and set up a flimsy ad hoc unprotected system to do the MAJORITY of her business/personal communications.

That's removing classified information from the approved methods and practices of protecting it.

Human error.

 

[flacaltenn]

REPEATING

Repeating the stupid doesn't make it any less stupid.

Can you tell us what defense information Hillary supposedly gave away?

No?

You mean you're just making shit up?

Thanks for clarifying your double standard.

Didn't need to actually "give any information away".. This has never been about espionage. It's about blatant mishandling of classified information which by itself is against rules and regulations and law. She arrogantly REFUSED approved, secure methods of communication and set up a flimsy ad hoc unprotected system to do the MAJORITY of her business/personal communications.

That's removing classified information from the approved methods and practices of protecting it.

Human error.

You mean her defense is that she is naive, incompetent and lazy?

You know that her "human error" could have gotten people killed in foreign lands right?

 

[mamooth]

Didn't need to actually "give any information away".. This has never been about espionage. It's about blatant mishandling of classified information which by itself is against rules and regulations and law.

Obviously false, given she did nothing against the law.

She arrogantly REFUSED approved, secure methods of communication

Back in reality, she specifically asked NSA for secure comms, and got turned down. So she did her job well with the tools she had. Where do you get these whoppers?

and set up a flimsy ad hoc unprotected system to do the MAJORITY of her business/personal communications.

A system that was more secure than the State Department's.

That's removing classified information from the approved methods and practices of protecting it.

That method was approved, at the time.

You've been hoodwinked by a propaganda campaign. That's because you're naive, incompetent and lazy. If you were intelligent and diligent, you wouldn't have just mindlessly gone along with the nonsense you were fed.

 

[BluesLegend]

Actually Comey's statement proved she committed perjury in the Benghazi investigation.

Funnily enough, they're in denial over that, too.

You have to understand, to a democrat it's all about party, never country or honor and doing the right thing

No they don't even care about that. I'll show you what Democrats are all about...Dem U.S. Rep. Corrine Brown of Florida and her chief of staff have been charged with multiple fraud and other federal offenses...Brown, a 69-year-old Democrat, was to appear later Friday in Jacksonville federal court on charges of mail and wire fraud, conspiracy, obstruction and filing of false tax returns...The indictment comes after an investigation into the charity One Door for Education Foundation Inc., which federal prosecutors say was purported to give scholarships to poor students but instead filled the coffers of Brown and her associates. KABOOM!!

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Actually Comey's statement proved she committed perjury in the Benghazi investigation.

Funnily enough, they're in denial over that, too.

You have to understand, to a democrat it's all about party, never country or honor and doing the right thing

No they don't even care about that. I'll show you what Democrats are all about...Dem U.S. Rep. Corrine Brown of Florida and her chief of staff have been charged with multiple fraud and other federal offenses...Brown, a 69-year-old Democrat, was to appear later Friday in Jacksonville federal court on charges of mail and wire fraud, conspiracy, obstruction and filing of false tax returns...The indictment comes after an investigation into the charity One Door for Education Foundation Inc., which federal prosecutors say was purported to give scholarships to poor students but instead filled the coffers of Brown and her associates. KABOOM!!

I read about her and her sidekick, they both need to go to prison for a very long time

 

[Freewill]

Actually Comey's statement proved she committed perjury in the Benghazi investigation.

Funnily enough, they're in denial over that, too.

You have to understand, to a democrat it's all about party, never country or honor and doing the right thing

No they don't even care about that. I'll show you what Democrats are all about...Dem U.S. Rep. Corrine Brown of Florida and her chief of staff have been charged with multiple fraud and other federal offenses...Brown, a 69-year-old Democrat, was to appear later Friday in Jacksonville federal court on charges of mail and wire fraud, conspiracy, obstruction and filing of false tax returns...The indictment comes after an investigation into the charity One Door for Education Foundation Inc., which federal prosecutors say was purported to give scholarships to poor students but instead filled the coffers of Brown and her associates. KABOOM!!

I read about her and her sidekick, they both need to go to prison for a very long time

I am sure their intent was to defraud no one, the Comey defense.

 

[flacaltenn]

Didn't need to actually "give any information away".. This has never been about espionage. It's about blatant mishandling of classified information which by itself is against rules and regulations and law.

Obviously false, given she did nothing against the law.

She arrogantly REFUSED approved, secure methods of communication

Back in reality, she specifically asked NSA for secure comms, and got turned down. So she did her job well with the tools she had. Where do you get these whoppers?

and set up a flimsy ad hoc unprotected system to do the MAJORITY of her business/personal communications.

A system that was more secure than the State Department's.

That's removing classified information from the approved methods and practices of protecting it.

That method was approved, at the time.

You've been hoodwinked by a propaganda campaign. That's because you're naive, incompetent and lazy. If you were intelligent and diligent, you wouldn't have just mindlessly gone along with the nonsense you were fed.

Par for course. NOT ONE of your responses are accurate or close to true.

State Dept has MULTIPLE levels of secure comm. There is unclassified, Confident/Secret, and SCI. As well as other APPROVED SECURE comm networks for special ops and diplomatic correspondence. Calling state.gov insecure is juvenile -- because no secure comm travels over it.

System was NEVER approved at State. Comey told you that. Never possibly could be if the objective was to conduct the vast majority of Sec State duties on it.

She actually DID break the law. In terms of statutes USC 18 1924. Comey told you his decision was based on precedent of not PROSECUTING under that statute. He told you that if it occurred at the FBI -- the person would face INTERNAL security review and sanctions. Not really feasible for the HEad of a major dept and a WH Cabinet member. But that they would be fired, docked pay, suspended, or had their clearances REVOKED if that happened. And her clearances should have revoked MONTHS ago and just today -- that seems to be back on the table as the State folks are reopening THEIR investigation. Comey was signaling that statutes were not charged and SECURITY matters are preferred to be handled internally in the Dept. Which is something that anyone who's ever been in classified job understand fully.

Wanna try again? You probably shouldn't... Folks like me who worked in Intelligence and other secure areas are MIGHTILY pissed about the misinformation and the misconceptions that are out there.

She jeopardized human assets on the ground. All over the globe. And made herself blackmail-able if any bad actors have a more complete hack of her system than the FBI received after she "wiped it with a clothe".

 

[Mertex]

I just found this funny, since so many Liberals are in denial that she's lying... constantly... and some even deny that she's even under investigation. You know, since he points out her lies.

Bwahahaha.....I can't believe you are calling a Republican (Comey) a liar because he didn't kiss the Republican witch hunt's ass and made Hillary to be a criminal as you all wanted. Had he done that you all would be kissing his ass. What hypocrites.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

I just found this funny, since so many Liberals are in denial that she's lying... constantly... and some even deny that she's even under investigation. You know, since he points out her lies.

Bwahahaha.....I can't believe you are calling a Republican (Comey) a liar because he didn't kiss the Republican witch hunt's ass and made Hillary to be a criminal as you all wanted. Had he done that you all would be kissing his ass. What hypocrites.

First, she's supposed to forward all of her emails to be archived(She didn't), she waited two years, until finally being caught, and only then did she forward them, and right after she did(Again after keeping the emails for two years), she deleted all of the ones she didn't send, some of which were work related. There's several laws broken there, and pretty obvious intent. There's also her mishandling of classified information, the lack of security, and lying under oath. This is no witch hunt, and anyone who calls it that is blind to reality. Furthermore, what's being discussed is 'lack of ability to prove intent', not lack of guilt. If you're celebrating, it's either her ability to get away with being a criminal, or the possibility that she's too incompetent to be charged with being a criminal.

 

[mamooth]

She actually DID break the law. In terms of statutes USC 18 1924.

Because you say so? Par for the course.

What Comey said was quite direct.
---
"Did Hillary Clinton break the law?" Chaffetz asked.

"In connection with her use of the email server? My judgment is that she did not," Comey said.
---

Oddly, you have decided that Comey really meant the opposite of what he said.

I think I'll go with his actual words, rather than your peculiar reinterpretation of his words.

Wanna try again? You probably shouldn't... Folks like me who worked in Intelligence and other secure areas are MIGHTILY pissed about the misinformation and the misconceptions that are out there.

Folks who have actually worked in intelligence don't advertise it.

She jeopardized human assets on the ground. All over the globe.

Not any evidence for that. You just made it up.

And made herself blackmail-able if any bad actors have a more complete hack of her system than the FBI received after she "wiped it with a clothe".

As you did, by informing everyone you're an intelligence target. Jail for you!

Oh wait, you're just a guy on the internet pretending to be important. Never mind.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

"Did Hillary Clinton break the law?" Chaffetz asked.

"In connection with her use of the email server? My judgment is that she did not," Comey said.

The fact that she used the email server, not what she did with it. Secretary of State is supposedly allowed to use a personal email so long as they forward the emails for archiving... which she did not do.

 

[emilynghiem]

Actually Comey's statement proved she committed perjury in the Benghazi investigation.

Funnily enough, they're in denial over that, too.

You have to understand, to a democrat it's all about party, never country or honor and doing the right thing

Absolutely. It just baffles me every time, regardless of how often it happens. I don't understand the train of thought. Even going so far as to elect someone who's obviously a lying criminal.

Dear Pumpkin Row
From asking this of a diehard Democrat friend, who even agreed the ACA was bad and damaging and backwards but wouldn't speak out publicly against the Party, he explained he fears the conservative right wing Christians MORE. Right or wrong, he would vote straight Democrat to say NO to rightwing antichoice antigay and proGod. So voting D is voting for prochoice progay and antiGod/religious indoctrination.

The sad thing is ppl are taking for granted the foundation the conservative base provides for the country and economy to run. It's like voting out the parents who are working to run the household, taking for granted they will do all that work anyway.

 

[JBond]

Wonder what the pay off is?
Supreme Court Justice Nominee or is that for Lynch
and Comey will get appointed to her AG position.

Chief Justice Obama with Lynch as the other newest member. Not good.

 

[Contumacious]

REPEATING

Repeating the stupid doesn't make it any less stupid.

Can you tell us what defense information Hillary supposedly gave away?

No?

You mean you're just making shit up?

Thanks for clarifying your double standard.

Didn't need to actually "give any information away".. This has never been about espionage. It's about blatant mishandling of classified information which by itself is against rules and regulations and law. She arrogantly REFUSED approved, secure methods of communication and set up a flimsy ad hoc unprotected system to do the MAJORITY of her business/personal communications.

That's removing classified information from the approved methods and practices of protecting it.

That is correct.

She is not the president yet and the hillarites are already claiming that

"when Hillary does it , it means is not a crime."

.


.

 

[flacaltenn]

She actually DID break the law. In terms of statutes USC 18 1924.

Because you say so? Par for the course.

What Comey said was quite direct.
---
"Did Hillary Clinton break the law?" Chaffetz asked.

"In connection with her use of the email server? My judgment is that she did not," Comey said.
---

Oddly, you have decided that Comey really meant the opposite of what he said.

I think I'll go with his actual words, rather than your peculiar reinterpretation of his words.

Wanna try again? You probably shouldn't... Folks like me who worked in Intelligence and other secure areas are MIGHTILY pissed about the misinformation and the misconceptions that are out there.

Folks who have actually worked in intelligence don't advertise it.

She jeopardized human assets on the ground. All over the globe.

Not any evidence for that. You just made it up.

And made herself blackmail-able if any bad actors have a more complete hack of her system than the FBI received after she "wiped it with a clothe".

As you did, by informing everyone you're an intelligence target. Jail for you!

Oh wait, you're just a guy on the internet pretending to be important. Never mind.

When pressed for an explanation of his opinion -- his defense was basically that the re-tred power whore was technically inept, clueless as to the consequences that could occur, and recklessly careless. If you are HAPPY about that explanation about that explanation why she didn't INTEND to mishandle the material because she was that clueless -- you're a moron for wasting time supporting that theory.

Furthermore his MAJOR concern was not to prosecute her on a Statute that has RARELY been used to bring cases PUBLIC and out the protection of a classified setting for determining guilt and consequence. Which is where my observations are the most important. Although he didn't explain why that was so -- and I DID -- he clearly noted that any SIMILAR offense would be handled by Internal Review. Which is exactly what seems to be happening now with State re-activating the case.

You needn't worry or stress about my admission of spending years in Intelligence areas. No one ever told I was not to disclose 7 years of my career. And unlike you --- I KNOW what it's like to be in that setting. And how high the expectations USED to be. And I'm floored by the misconceptions and gaps in the public knowledge about how much of a chore and responsibility that is..

No jail for me. But for YEARS after I left -- I STILL had travel restrictions and check-ins. And many many stories that I CAN TELL about traveling abroad on business where foreign custom agents would ALWAYS pick me out for extra screening. People have no idea of the RL impacts that MILLIONS of Americans go thru to be part of that system.

I can recommend a few books by ex-NSA, CIA, DIA that would enlighten you. And they are not in jail either.

 

[flacaltenn]

REPEATING

Repeating the stupid doesn't make it any less stupid.

Can you tell us what defense information Hillary supposedly gave away?

No?

You mean you're just making shit up?

Thanks for clarifying your double standard.

Didn't need to actually "give any information away".. This has never been about espionage. It's about blatant mishandling of classified information which by itself is against rules and regulations and law. She arrogantly REFUSED approved, secure methods of communication and set up a flimsy ad hoc unprotected system to do the MAJORITY of her business/personal communications.

That's removing classified information from the approved methods and practices of protecting it.

That is correct.

She is not the president yet and the hillarites are already claiming that

"when Hillary does it , it means is not a crime."

.


.

And if Comey was TRULY worried about precedent he should have considered that the normal process of investigating and punishing these acts IN HOUSE -- would never work if the perp was a WH cabinet member.

So he essentially has given IMMUNITY to the HEADS of these departments. Since he acknowledged that anyone caught doing this at the FBI would be subject to AGENCY sanctions --- UNLESS

I GUESS ----------




........................... it was him.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Actually Comey's statement proved she committed perjury in the Benghazi investigation.

Funnily enough, they're in denial over that, too.

You have to understand, to a democrat it's all about party, never country or honor and doing the right thing

Absolutely. It just baffles me every time, regardless of how often it happens. I don't understand the train of thought. Even going so far as to elect someone who's obviously a lying criminal.

Dear Pumpkin Row
From asking this of a diehard Democrat friend, who even agreed the ACA was bad and damaging and backwards but wouldn't speak out publicly against the Party, he explained he fears the conservative right wing Christians MORE. Right or wrong, he would vote straight Democrat to say NO to rightwing antichoice antigay and proGod. So voting D is voting for prochoice progay and antiGod/religious indoctrination.

The sad thing is ppl are taking for granted the foundation the conservative base provides for the country and economy to run. It's like voting out the parents who are working to run the household, taking for granted they will do all that work anyway.

^^^Hogwash

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

I just found this funny, since so many Liberals are in denial that she's lying... constantly... and some even deny that she's even under investigation. You know, since he points out her lies.

Bwahahaha.....I can't believe you are calling a Republican (Comey) a liar because he didn't kiss the Republican witch hunt's ass and made Hillary to be a criminal as you all wanted. Had he done that you all would be kissing his ass. What hypocrites.

I think this is called blaming the messenger instead of his message, which they didn't like.
Ya, if he had said it was prosecutable, the righties would be lobbying the GOP to oust Trump in Cleveland and nominate Comey.