Zone1 Colin Gray, father of Apalachee HS shooting suspect, found guilty

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

While I believe that the verdict was correct, I don't understand why he was found to have committed murder instead of manslaughter even though it's murder in the second degree. He wasn't actually the party that murdered the victims in this school shooting, his son did. But he did facilitate his son's ability to commit these killings (he hasn't been tried & determined to have murdered anyone yet) by providing him with the firearm used, in spite of the fact that he was contacted by law enforcement regarding his son's online threats to commit a school shooting.

Can anyone explain why he was charged in this manner I'd appreciate the insight.

Colin Gray, father of Apalachee HS shooting suspect, found guilty

 

[The Duke]

Responsible parenting is a real thing.
What did the mother do? They don't tell you that.
By 14 the boy should have some sense and discipline.
And what about the boy? He should be tried as an adult.
Ya know, I would be all for a public hanging with something like this.

 

[candycorn]

While I believe that the verdict was correct, I don't understand why he was found to have committed murder instead of manslaughter even though it's murder in the second degree. He wasn't actually the party that murdered the victims in this school shooting, his son did. But he did facilitate his son's ability to commit these killings (he hasn't been tried & determined to have murdered anyone yet) by providing him with the firearm used, in spite of the fact that he was contacted by law enforcement regarding his son's online threats to commit a school shooting.

Can anyone explain why he was charged in this manner I'd appreciate the insight.

Colin Gray, father of Apalachee HS shooting suspect, found guilty

I really don't know. It seems like the wrong ruling one minute then the correct one the next.

 

[pknopp]

I really don't know. It seems like the wrong ruling one minute then the correct one the next.

Yep. I didn't follow the trial but just on the surface if we start charging parents for everything their kids do, I think some will see things unclear.

 

[gipper]

I really don't know. It seems like the wrong ruling one minute then the correct one the next.

Rather common in the American justice system.

 

[JoeB131]

Sounds good. If not for this irresponsible father, this kid never would have had a gun. He ignored multiple warnings this kid was going to do something crazy.

But we need to start charging gun store owners for mass shootings as well.

 

[alang1216]

While I believe that the verdict was correct, I don't understand why he was found to have committed murder instead of manslaughter even though it's murder in the second degree. He wasn't actually the party that murdered the victims in this school shooting, his son did. But he did facilitate his son's ability to commit these killings (he hasn't been tried & determined to have murdered anyone yet) by providing him with the firearm used, in spite of the fact that he was contacted by law enforcement regarding his son's online threats to commit a school shooting.

Can anyone explain why he was charged in this manner I'd appreciate the insight.

Colin Gray, father of Apalachee HS shooting suspect, found guilty

I said yes to manslaughter but no to murder. I don't know the specifics of the case but the jury probably went with
Depraved Heart/Mind. That seems like that least stretch.

Key Elements of Second-Degree Murder

• Intent to Kill (Non-Premeditated): The perpetrator intended to cause death but did not plan or deliberate over the action beforehand.
• Intent to Cause Serious Bodily Harm: The perpetrator did not necessarily intend to kill but acted with the intent to inflict grave injury, resulting in death.
• Depraved Heart/Mind: The killing resulted from extremely reckless conduct that showed a wanton disregard for human life (e.g., shooting into a crowd).
• Felony Murder (Some States): A death that occurs during the commission of a dangerous felony (like robbery or arson) that does not qualify for first-degree felony murder.

 

[Hafar1014]

While I believe that the verdict was correct, I don't understand why he was found to have committed murder instead of manslaughter even though it's murder in the second degree. He wasn't actually the party that murdered the victims in this school shooting, his son did. But he did facilitate his son's ability to commit these killings (he hasn't been tried & determined to have murdered anyone yet) by providing him with the firearm used, in spite of the fact that he was contacted by law enforcement regarding his son's online threats to commit a school shooting.

Can anyone explain why he was charged in this manner I'd appreciate the insight.

Colin Gray, father of Apalachee HS shooting suspect, found guilty

He shares the convicition of his son as an accesory

 

[pknopp]

Sounds good. If not for this irresponsible father, this kid never would have had a gun. He ignored multiple warnings this kid was going to do something crazy.

But we need to start charging gun store owners for mass shootings as well.

Adam Lanza's mom had her guns locked up.

 

[Hafar1014]

Sounds good. If not for this irresponsible father, this kid never would have had a gun. He ignored multiple warnings this kid was going to do something crazy.

But we need to start charging gun store owners for mass shootings as well.

Most mass shootings are by blacks in democrats cities with stolen guns

 

[JoeB131]

Most mass shootings are by blacks in democrats cities with stolen guns

Really?

James Holmes
Adam Lanza
Nicholas Cruz
Jared Loughner

These all sound like white guys to me.

 

[candycorn]

Adam Lanza's mom had her guns locked up.

My point exactly.

Some who work in healthcare will remember this fondly...the float pool! For those who don't know, the float pool nurses and techs would not specialize like in orthopedics, ICU, neonatal, etc... They went where they were told to go. We haven't had a real pool in about a decade. Anyway, one of the floaters moved to work at the County Jail. She was attacked by a trustee. She wasn't injured or anything. But it highlights these people with criminal intent or criminal minds...they get a trigger and you don't know what they'll do. As I understood it the trustee earned the confidence of the guards and staff. Then one day, they got some bad news and went batty. This father apparently knew his son was going off the rails but as a parent, are you the most objective observer of your kid's behavior? I'm sure Ol' Joe thought Hunter would straighten out eventually....and Trump probably thinks he raised non-aholes. He didn't.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I said yes to manslaughter but no to murder. I don't know the specifics of the case but the jury probably went with
Depraved Heart/Mind. That seems like that least stretch.

Key Elements of Second-Degree Murder

• Intent to Kill (Non-Premeditated): The perpetrator intended to cause death but did not plan or deliberate over the action beforehand.
• Intent to Cause Serious Bodily Harm: The perpetrator did not necessarily intend to kill but acted with the intent to inflict grave injury, resulting in death.
• Depraved Heart/Mind: The killing resulted from extremely reckless conduct that showed a wanton disregard for human life (e.g., shooting into a crowd).
• Felony Murder (Some States): A death that occurs during the commission of a dangerous felony (like robbery or arson) that does not qualify for first-degree felony murder.

Thanks for the suggestion regarding depraved heart/mind, but I was always taught that the difference between manslaughter & murder has to do with intent.

You hit someone with your vehicle and they die. While that alone isn't sufficient to get charged with a crime if the driver was impaired then their actions can be said to have been reckless and they disregarded the harm that they could potentially cause others by driving under the influence.

I think the defendant in this case squarely meets this definition in that he didn't plan or intend to murder anyone but his negligence in providing his son with a firearm ESPECIALLY after he was contacted by law enforcement regarding his son making online threats to commit a school shooting should have given him pause. Murder on the other hand means you intended to kill the person, basically "unlawfully took their life". The degree depends on how much effort went into planning the murder versus spur of the moment if I recall correctly.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Adam Lanza's mom had her guns locked up.

And he killed her and took her keys to gain access to her gun safe if I recall correctly.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

The racist OP started this thread to deflect and rationalize incessant shootings by fatherless black thugs.

Reported proxy

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Sounds good. If not for this irresponsible father, this kid never would have had a gun. He ignored multiple warnings this kid was going to do something crazy.

But we need to start charging gun store owners for mass shootings as well.

Just wanted to let you know I agree with your first paragraph just not the last.

 

[IM2]

Most mass shootings are by blacks in democrats cities with stolen guns

Wrong.

 

[IM2]

The racist OP started this thread to deflect and rationalize incessant shootings by fatherless black thugs.

The white racist who posted this went off topic to deflect from the fact that white males do the most mass shootings and commit the most violent crimes in this country annually. Every time a thread is made like this, these scrubs always want to deflect from the topic to open their mouths about blacks. Whites need to look at and fix the much higher crime and violence in their communities instead of always deflecting.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Some additional information about the trial:
https://www.cnn.com/2026/03/04/us/colin-gray-verdict-mass-shooting-parents

 

[MisterBeale]

While I believe that the verdict was correct, I don't understand why he was found to have committed murder instead of manslaughter even though it's murder in the second degree. He wasn't actually the party that murdered the victims in this school shooting, his son did. But he did facilitate his son's ability to commit these killings (he hasn't been tried & determined to have murdered anyone yet) by providing him with the firearm used, in spite of the fact that he was contacted by law enforcement regarding his son's online threats to commit a school shooting.

Can anyone explain why he was charged in this manner I'd appreciate the insight.

Colin Gray, father of Apalachee HS shooting suspect, found guilty

Unless folks are in the jury deliberation and attend the trial, it is pointless to speculate IMO.

I remember that whole George Zimmerman kerfuffle. Everyone thought they knew what was the right call, and it usually boiled down to their political stance.

The honest truth, no one can know the facts and the law involved except those who were at the trial and in the deliberation room.