Coal Baron Promises Huge Layoffs, Then Tells Workers To Vote Trump

[Vigilante]

Fauxhota, she's on a roll tonight!

 

[Andylusion]

Natural gas is plentiful and just as dependable as coal.I guess that's why coal is dying.

It's dying because Obama is killing it. We have enough coal to run this country for 200 years.

And we have cheaper and cleaner natural gas to run this country for at least that long.

90% of the coal in the US is used to generate electricity. The bad news for the coal industry is that coal fired power plants are on the decrease. Most new power plants run on natural gas. To make matters worst for the coal industry, the projected need for new power plants in the US is falling due to energy saving measures.

Trump can't save the coal industry and at best only prolong it's demise.

Coal will always be an economical way to generate electric power. There's enough coal to last 200 years. Whether Trump can stop the natural slow decline of the coal industry is one thing. Whether he can prevent the government from deliberately killing it is another. Americans don't benefit when electric rates are increased artificially because perfectly serviceable coal fired power plants have to be retired long before the end of their useful lives. That's just plain stupid, and only imbeciles like you, Lakhota and bulldog would support it.

Coal is not an economical way to general electric power and hasn't been for some time. Natural gas is cheaper and cleaner. In 1990, almost 60% of America's power was produced by coal fired generating plants. It has steadily fallen to 32% and there is no sign of that trend reversing. During the same period power generation by natural gas has risen from 10% to 35%. The low price of clean burning natural gas is the reason for the recent coal to natural gas conversions. The last coal fired power plant in the US went into operation 4 years ago. Power plant construction experts believe it will be America's last coal fired power generation plant to be built.

You are wrong. By every economic measure, coal is the cheapest way of producing power.

Wood is cheaper, but not as scale-able.

By any measure you can pick, even including capital costs (price of building the power plant itself, coal is by far cheaper. Only Nuclear and Hydro electric dams, are cheaper.

I'm sorry, but you and your left-wing anti-science people are factually wrong, as you always are.

 

[BULLDOG]

It is being used as it dies a slow lingering death. Coal just can't compete with natural gas, and will die even if no renewable sources are utilized.

We would make better use of natural gas by heating our homes with it. Coal isn't good for much other than generating electricity. That's what we should use.

Yet gas can do it all at a competitive price with much less pollution.

We'll use it up twice as fast as we have to if we use it to generate power.

You are getting desperate now.

Pointing out the stupidity of your theory is "getting desperate?" You guys just repeat one liners because you think they sound good, don't you?

Come on finger boy. You don't have to be contrary on everything. You can eventually realize gas is a better choice for now without having to become a communist. Use a little sense instead of party loyalty just this once.

 

[bripat9643]

We would make better use of natural gas by heating our homes with it. Coal isn't good for much other than generating electricity. That's what we should use.

Yet gas can do it all at a competitive price with much less pollution.

We'll use it up twice as fast as we have to if we use it to generate power.

You are getting desperate now.

Pointing out the stupidity of your theory is "getting desperate?" You guys just repeat one liners because you think they sound good, don't you?

Come on finger boy. You don't have to be contrary on everything. You can eventually realize gas is a better choice for now without having to become a communist. Use a little sense instead of party loyalty just this once.

T's not a better choice. I'm contrary to liberal idiocy because reality is contrary to it. This has nothing to do with party loyalty. That's a leftwing behavior.

 

[Lakhota]

Dirty coal is a killer. Killer coal.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Coal employment has been on the decline since the 80's at least. We all know about the large increases in natural gas production in the last decade or more. It was only a matter of time before gas became more cost efficient to power generators around the country. The tipping point has been reached and the coal industry is feeling it big time.
Perhaps they should have invested more heavily in gas operations and scaled back coal. It's not the "war on coal" it's the free market killing coal.

 

[bripat9643]

Dirty coal is a killer. Killer coal.

Stupidity is a killer, so you must be incredibly deadly.

 

[bripat9643]

Coal employment has been on the decline since the 80's at least. We all know about the large increases in natural gas production in the last decade or more. It was only a matter of time before gas became more cost efficient to power generators around the country. The tipping point has been reached and the coal industry is feeling it big time.
Perhaps they should have invested more heavily in gas operations and scaled back coal. It's not the "war on coal" it's the free market killing coal.

Repeating this 1000 times won't make it true. I realize all you douche bags are trying desperately to get Hillary elected, but coal miners know the score. The Obama administration took deliberate measures to destroy the coal industry. Many of you turds gloated about it when he did it. On the one hand, you are trying to justify it on environmental reasons, and on the other you claim it never happened. You talk out of both sides of your mouth.

 

[Lakhota]

Coal employment has been on the decline since the 80's at least. We all know about the large increases in natural gas production in the last decade or more. It was only a matter of time before gas became more cost efficient to power generators around the country. The tipping point has been reached and the coal industry is feeling it big time.
Perhaps they should have invested more heavily in gas operations and scaled back coal. It's not the "war on coal" it's the free market killing coal.

Coal is a zombie fuel - dead but doesn't know it...

 

[bripat9643]

Coal employment has been on the decline since the 80's at least. We all know about the large increases in natural gas production in the last decade or more. It was only a matter of time before gas became more cost efficient to power generators around the country. The tipping point has been reached and the coal industry is feeling it big time.
Perhaps they should have invested more heavily in gas operations and scaled back coal. It's not the "war on coal" it's the free market killing coal.

Coal is a zombie fuel - dead but doesn't know it...

Pure idiocy. Why don't you just yell "Nyah, nyah, nyah?"

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Coal employment has been on the decline since the 80's at least. We all know about the large increases in natural gas production in the last decade or more. It was only a matter of time before gas became more cost efficient to power generators around the country. The tipping point has been reached and the coal industry is feeling it big time.
Perhaps they should have invested more heavily in gas operations and scaled back coal. It's not the "war on coal" it's the free market killing coal.

Repeating this 1000 times won't make it true. I realize all you douche bags are trying desperately to get Hillary elected, but coal miners know the score. The Obama administration took deliberate measures to destroy the coal industry. Many of you turds gloated about it when he did it. On the one hand, you are trying to justify it on environmental reasons, and on the other you claim it never happened. You talk out of both sides of your mouth.

What part wasn't true?

-Coal jobs have been on the decline since the 80's.
- Natural gas production has grown significantly in the last decade+.
-Energy generators are increasingly turning to natural gas as it's cheaper.


Dope.

 

[Lakhota]

It's sadly hilarious that NaziCons actually believe Drumpfuck would bring back zombie coal.

 

[Andylusion]

Coal employment has been on the decline since the 80's at least. We all know about the large increases in natural gas production in the last decade or more. It was only a matter of time before gas became more cost efficient to power generators around the country. The tipping point has been reached and the coal industry is feeling it big time.
Perhaps they should have invested more heavily in gas operations and scaled back coal. It's not the "war on coal" it's the free market killing coal.

Repeating this 1000 times won't make it true. I realize all you douche bags are trying desperately to get Hillary elected, but coal miners know the score. The Obama administration took deliberate measures to destroy the coal industry. Many of you turds gloated about it when he did it. On the one hand, you are trying to justify it on environmental reasons, and on the other you claim it never happened. You talk out of both sides of your mouth.

What part wasn't true?

-Coal jobs have been on the decline since the 80's.
- Natural gas production hasn't grown significantly in the last decade+.
-Energy generators are increasingly turning to natural gas as it's cheaper.


Dope.

Coal jobs have declined, not as a matter of a market shift, but rather because of increased automation. 2008, was a record year in coal production in the US.

The only decline in coal, has started when a certain president who actively promoted the destruction of the industry, came to power.

Coal plant conversion projects - SourceWatch

When you look up coal to gas conversion projects, the reasons given are...

• state-level renewable portfolio standards
• federal incentives
• environmental regulations

What you don't see on that list is "gas is cheaper" because it's not. I have already posted the relevant data showing that coal is cheaper than natural gas.

By the way, the Federal Incentives in many cases, is subsidies. That's right.... you are paying taxes to the Federal Government which gives that money to rich wealthy CEOs, in order to provide power that is more expensive, and thus they charge you more for electricity.

Every time you hear a left-winger say that people who oppose them, oppose what is in their best interest.... just laugh and mock them. Tax you to pay the wealthy money, so they can charge you more money for their product.... that only makes sense in left-wing idiot world.

 

[Flopper]

It's dying because Obama is killing it. We have enough coal to run this country for 200 years.

And we have cheaper and cleaner natural gas to run this country for at least that long.

90% of the coal in the US is used to generate electricity. The bad news for the coal industry is that coal fired power plants are on the decrease. Most new power plants run on natural gas. To make matters worst for the coal industry, the projected need for new power plants in the US is falling due to energy saving measures.

Trump can't save the coal industry and at best only prolong it's demise.

Coal will always be an economical way to generate electric power. There's enough coal to last 200 years. Whether Trump can stop the natural slow decline of the coal industry is one thing. Whether he can prevent the government from deliberately killing it is another. Americans don't benefit when electric rates are increased artificially because perfectly serviceable coal fired power plants have to be retired long before the end of their useful lives. That's just plain stupid, and only imbeciles like you, Lakhota and bulldog would support it.

Coal is not an economical way to general electric power and hasn't been for some time. Natural gas is cheaper and cleaner. In 1990, almost 60% of America's power was produced by coal fired generating plants. It has steadily fallen to 32% and there is no sign of that trend reversing. During the same period power generation by natural gas has risen from 10% to 35%. The low price of clean burning natural gas is the reason for the recent coal to natural gas conversions. The last coal fired power plant in the US went into operation 4 years ago. Power plant construction experts believe it will be America's last coal fired power generation plant to be built.

You are wrong. By every economic measure, coal is the cheapest way of producing power.

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Wood is cheaper, but not as scale-able.

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By any measure you can pick, even including capital costs (price of building the power plant itself, coal is by far cheaper. Only Nuclear and Hydro electric dams, are cheaper.

I'm sorry, but you and your left-wing anti-science people are factually wrong, as you always are.

I think you're neglecting the fact that over the last 8 years natural gas prices have fallen dramatically even relative to coal. If coal were the preferred fuel for power generation today we would not be seeing the number of conversions from coal to gas and would not see coal's use in power generation falling from over 50% to 32%. For the first time, natural gas use to produce electricity has exceeded that of coal. Furthermore, the low natural gas prices are projected to continue at least through 2020 making the generation cost less than coal with less environmental impact.

Natural Gas to Overtake Coal in 2016 | Fox Business

 

[bripat9643]

And we have cheaper and cleaner natural gas to run this country for at least that long.

90% of the coal in the US is used to generate electricity. The bad news for the coal industry is that coal fired power plants are on the decrease. Most new power plants run on natural gas. To make matters worst for the coal industry, the projected need for new power plants in the US is falling due to energy saving measures.

Trump can't save the coal industry and at best only prolong it's demise.

Coal will always be an economical way to generate electric power. There's enough coal to last 200 years. Whether Trump can stop the natural slow decline of the coal industry is one thing. Whether he can prevent the government from deliberately killing it is another. Americans don't benefit when electric rates are increased artificially because perfectly serviceable coal fired power plants have to be retired long before the end of their useful lives. That's just plain stupid, and only imbeciles like you, Lakhota and bulldog would support it.

Coal is not an economical way to general electric power and hasn't been for some time. Natural gas is cheaper and cleaner. In 1990, almost 60% of America's power was produced by coal fired generating plants. It has steadily fallen to 32% and there is no sign of that trend reversing. During the same period power generation by natural gas has risen from 10% to 35%. The low price of clean burning natural gas is the reason for the recent coal to natural gas conversions. The last coal fired power plant in the US went into operation 4 years ago. Power plant construction experts believe it will be America's last coal fired power generation plant to be built.

You are wrong. By every economic measure, coal is the cheapest way of producing power.

View attachment 80289
Wood is cheaper, but not as scale-able.

View attachment 80290

By any measure you can pick, even including capital costs (price of building the power plant itself, coal is by far cheaper. Only Nuclear and Hydro electric dams, are cheaper.

I'm sorry, but you and your left-wing anti-science people are factually wrong, as you always are.

I think you're neglecting the fact that over the last 8 years natural gas prices have fallen dramatically even relative to coal. If coal were the preferred fuel for power generation today we would not be seeing the number of conversions from coal to gas and would not see coal's use in power generation falling from over 50% to 32%. For the first time, natural gas use to produce electricity has exceeded that of coal. Furthermore, the low natural gas prices are projected to continue at least through 2020 making the generation cost less than coal with less environmental impact.

Natural Gas to Overtake Coal in 2016 | Fox Business

You keep ignoring the fact that Obama has made coal far more expensive with all his idiotic regulations.

 

[Andylusion]

And we have cheaper and cleaner natural gas to run this country for at least that long.

90% of the coal in the US is used to generate electricity. The bad news for the coal industry is that coal fired power plants are on the decrease. Most new power plants run on natural gas. To make matters worst for the coal industry, the projected need for new power plants in the US is falling due to energy saving measures.

Trump can't save the coal industry and at best only prolong it's demise.

Coal will always be an economical way to generate electric power. There's enough coal to last 200 years. Whether Trump can stop the natural slow decline of the coal industry is one thing. Whether he can prevent the government from deliberately killing it is another. Americans don't benefit when electric rates are increased artificially because perfectly serviceable coal fired power plants have to be retired long before the end of their useful lives. That's just plain stupid, and only imbeciles like you, Lakhota and bulldog would support it.

Coal is not an economical way to general electric power and hasn't been for some time. Natural gas is cheaper and cleaner. In 1990, almost 60% of America's power was produced by coal fired generating plants. It has steadily fallen to 32% and there is no sign of that trend reversing. During the same period power generation by natural gas has risen from 10% to 35%. The low price of clean burning natural gas is the reason for the recent coal to natural gas conversions. The last coal fired power plant in the US went into operation 4 years ago. Power plant construction experts believe it will be America's last coal fired power generation plant to be built.

You are wrong. By every economic measure, coal is the cheapest way of producing power.

View attachment 80289
Wood is cheaper, but not as scale-able.

View attachment 80290

By any measure you can pick, even including capital costs (price of building the power plant itself, coal is by far cheaper. Only Nuclear and Hydro electric dams, are cheaper.

I'm sorry, but you and your left-wing anti-science people are factually wrong, as you always are.

I think you're neglecting the fact that over the last 8 years natural gas prices have fallen dramatically even relative to coal. If coal were the preferred fuel for power generation today we would not be seeing the number of conversions from coal to gas and would not see coal's use in power generation falling from over 50% to 32%. For the first time, natural gas use to produce electricity has exceeded that of coal. Furthermore, the low natural gas prices are projected to continue at least through 2020 making the generation cost less than coal with less environmental impact.

Natural Gas to Overtake Coal in 2016 | Fox Business

I addressed that in the above post.

I'm not neglecting anything. The information I posted was current, and from the EIA. Coal is cheaper than Nat.Gas, and that is a fact.

The reason they are switch from coal to gas, is for the reasons listed. State Requirements, Federal Subsidies, and Expensive Regulations.

If I tax you for owning a car, subsidize you owning a motorbike, and require you to ride a bike to work at least twice a week, if you then bought a motorcycle, you wouldn't conclude that it was magically "because of market economic forces".

It was because we forced you to with the power of government.

Again, 2008 was a record year in coal production. Coal production had been increasing year over year. It was Obama and government that is killing coal. Not the market.

 

[Flopper]

90% of the coal in the US is used to generate electricity. The bad news for the coal industry is that coal fired power plants are on the decrease. Most new power plants run on natural gas. To make matters worst for the coal industry, the projected need for new power plants in the US is falling due to energy saving measures.

Trump can't save the coal industry and at best only prolong it's demise.

Coal will always be an economical way to generate electric power. There's enough coal to last 200 years. Whether Trump can stop the natural slow decline of the coal industry is one thing. Whether he can prevent the government from deliberately killing it is another. Americans don't benefit when electric rates are increased artificially because perfectly serviceable coal fired power plants have to be retired long before the end of their useful lives. That's just plain stupid, and only imbeciles like you, Lakhota and bulldog would support it.

Coal is not an economical way to general electric power and hasn't been for some time. Natural gas is cheaper and cleaner. In 1990, almost 60% of America's power was produced by coal fired generating plants. It has steadily fallen to 32% and there is no sign of that trend reversing. During the same period power generation by natural gas has risen from 10% to 35%. The low price of clean burning natural gas is the reason for the recent coal to natural gas conversions. The last coal fired power plant in the US went into operation 4 years ago. Power plant construction experts believe it will be America's last coal fired power generation plant to be built.

You are wrong. By every economic measure, coal is the cheapest way of producing power.

View attachment 80289
Wood is cheaper, but not as scale-able.

View attachment 80290

By any measure you can pick, even including capital costs (price of building the power plant itself, coal is by far cheaper. Only Nuclear and Hydro electric dams, are cheaper.

I'm sorry, but you and your left-wing anti-science people are factually wrong, as you always are.

I think you're neglecting the fact that over the last 8 years natural gas prices have fallen dramatically even relative to coal. If coal were the preferred fuel for power generation today we would not be seeing the number of conversions from coal to gas and would not see coal's use in power generation falling from over 50% to 32%. For the first time, natural gas use to produce electricity has exceeded that of coal. Furthermore, the low natural gas prices are projected to continue at least through 2020 making the generation cost less than coal with less environmental impact.

Natural Gas to Overtake Coal in 2016 | Fox Business

You keep ignoring the fact that Obama has made coal far more expensive with all his idiotic regulations.

No, I'm not ignoring it. There is no good reason for exempting coal from the same rules we use for natural gas, oil, and other cleaner fuels. Burning coal causes smog, soot, acid rain, global warming, and toxic air emissions. We certainly shouldn't force the public to breath this shit to line the pockets of mine owners and preserve an industry that should have been phased out years ago. A 2013 gallup poll shows 70% of Americans agree.

 

[HenryBHough]

Since so much of America is dependent upon electricity produced by coal and it takes time to build new power plants whether gas, bio-mass, solar or (f you want to drive Liberals even more crazy, nuclear) capacity. Of course we could shut down almost ALL of the coal fired plants right now, today. If only you liberals would park your Teslas and turn off your computers...and of course your always-on-PBS televisions.

But you won't.

So don't give me any shit about how much you're you're "concerned" about the environment.

'cause you just proved you aren't. How proved? Because you're responding and that means you haven't shut down your power-hungry Windows PC.

 

[Flopper]

Since so much of America is dependent upon electricity produced by coal and it takes time to build new power plants whether gas, bio-mass, solar or (f you want to drive Liberals even more crazy, nuclear) capacity. Of course we could shut down almost ALL of the coal fired plants right now, today. If only you liberals would park your Teslas and turn off your computers...and of course your always-on-PBS televisions.

But you won't.

So don't give me any shit about how much you're you're "concerned" about the environment.

'cause you just proved you aren't. How proved? Because you're responding and that means you haven't shut down your power-hungry Windows PC.

You don't need to replace all coal fired generating plants, you just convert them to natural gas. Approximately 4,600 megawatts of U.S. coal-fired generation capacity were retired in the first four months of 2015, and another 7,700 mw were scheduled for closure or conversion in following 8 months.

 

[owebo]

It's sadly hilarious that NaziCons actually believe Drumpfuck would bring back zombie coal.

Pardon me for being new here you proud left wing nut job liberal....but I will stick my nose in your stupid F'ing opinion anyway....

Trump said he will bring back jobs....can you see past the F'ing counter beyond the change you just made to realize your on-line degree failed you and that the world passed you and your mastery of burger flipping skills by....

Coal even powers,your world, sadly....