Co2 Fraud hasn't fudged all data, surface air pressure for one....

[EMH]

If you say so......durr

You've spent hours here claiming that is not "proven."

Is it or not???

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You've spent hours here claiming that is not "proven."

Is it or not???

If you have proof, post it.
If you don't, admit you don't.

 

[EMH]

If you have proof, post it.
If you don't, admit you don't.

So, according to Toddster, if you add gas to any given planet's atmosphere, there is "no proof" that increases Surface Air Pressure...

You and Fauxi are "the science."

 

[EMH]

mostly collected from Earth's outgassing

I'd love to hear this one.

How do we know that paltry amount of gas on the Moon isn't from the cosmic collision that formed the Moon 4.5 billion years ago?

A - WE DO NOT


Yet somehow gas floats off Earth up to the Moon. Why haven't you floated up to the Moon as well??

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So, according to Toddster, if you add gas to any given planet's atmosphere, there is "no proof" that increases Surface Air Pressure...

Show how much gas is added.
Show that the added gas and higher temps must increase pressure instead of increasing volume.
Show that any real scientist agrees with your claim.
Argue against the explanations for reduced surface pressure, if that is actually the case.

I haven't looked, because I'm not that interested in your unhinged rants.

I mean, I'm interested enough to point out your obvious errors, but that is about it.

 

[EMH]

Show how much gas is added.
Show that the added gas and higher temps must increase pressure instead of increasing volume.
Show that any real scientist agrees with your claim.
Argue against the explanations for reduced surface pressure, if that is actually the case.

I haven't looked, because I'm not that interested in your unhinged rants.

I mean, I'm interested enough to point out your obvious errors, but that is about it.

You are simply a LEFT WING W loving Zionist Fascist taxpayer funded Co2 Fraud troll/liar arguing that increasing gas in an atmosphere would not increase surface air pressure....

Air Pressure

The number of molecules in the atmosphere decreases with height.Download Image The atoms and molecules that make up the various layers of the atmosphere are constantly moving in random directions. Despite their tiny size, when they strike a surface, they exert a force on that surface in what we...

www.noaa.gov

The most basic change in pressure is the twice daily rise and fall due to the heat from the sun. Each day, the pressure is at its lowest around 4 a.m./p.m., and at its highest around 10 a.m./p.m. The magnitude of the daily cycle is greatest near the equator, decreasing toward the poles



Still want to argue that increasing temperature DECREASES SAP??

LOL!!!

You and Fauxi...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You are simply a LEFT WING W loving Zionist Fascist taxpayer funded Co2 Fraud troll/liar arguing that increasing gas in an atmosphere would not increase surface air pressure....

Air Pressure

The number of molecules in the atmosphere decreases with height.Download Image The atoms and molecules that make up the various layers of the atmosphere are constantly moving in random directions. Despite their tiny size, when they strike a surface, they exert a force on that surface in what we...

www.noaa.gov

The most basic change in pressure is the twice daily rise and fall due to the heat from the sun. Each day, the pressure is at its lowest around 4 a.m./p.m., and at its highest around 10 a.m./p.m. The magnitude of the daily cycle is greatest near the equator, decreasing toward the poles



Still want to argue that increasing temperature DECREASES SAP??

LOL!!!

You and Fauxi...

You are simply a LEFT WING W loving Zionist Fascist taxpayer funded Co2 Fraud troll/liar arguing that increasing gas in an atmosphere would not increase surface air pressure....

I know that you're a stupid, mentally ill twat, but try to focus for 5 minutes.
I'm sorry that a Jew stole your candy when you were 6, try to get over it.

The most basic change in pressure is the twice daily rise and fall due to the heat from the sun. Each day, the pressure is at its lowest around 4 a.m./p.m., and at its highest around 10 a.m./p.m.

Pressure is lowest at 4 a.m. and highest at 10a.m.?

arguing that increasing gas in an atmosphere would not increase surface air pressure

How much gas trapped in the ice is released between 4 a.m. and 10 a.m.? Is it a lot?

Still want to argue that increasing temperature DECREASES SAP??

Each day, the pressure is at its lowest around 4 a.m./p.m., and at its highest around 10 a.m./p.m.

Pressure is lowest around 4 p.m. and highest around 10 p.m., because increasing temperatures increase SAP? Not sure where you live, but here in Chicago it's usually cooler at 10 p.m. than at 4 p.m., not always though.

Maybe your simplistic iron-clad rule, "higher temps must increase SAP" is too simplistic and not all that iron-clad?

 

[EMH]

Pressure is lowest at 4 a.m. and highest at 10a.m.?

Can't even read. Something wrong with your

HEBREW TO ENGLISH

translation software??


The point of the link is that SURFACE AIR PRESSURE rises as the Sun warms the air, which is why 4am is LOWEST....

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Can't even read. Something wrong with your

HEBREW TO ENGLISH

translation software??


The point of the link is that SURFACE AIR PRESSURE rises as the Sun warms the air, which is why 4am is LOWEST....

Each day, the pressure is at its lowest around 4 a.m./p.m., and at its highest around 10 a.m./p.m.

Pretty sure the Sun is still warming the air between 10 a.m. and 4 p.m., maybe it's the Jews?

Something wrong with your brain? You need to rewind the tinfoil?

 

[mamooth]

You are simply a LEFT WING W loving Zionist Fascist taxpayer funded Co2 Fraud troll/liar arguing that increasing gas in an atmosphere would not increase
surface air pressure....

So according to EMH here, if I fart, it should increase global surface air pressure. And since there's no record of that in the data, that proves I never fart.

Yes, EMH is so goddamned stupid, he has zero concept of scale, that the mass of gas released by melting ice is completely insignificant compared to the mass of the atmosphere.

As Todd has been pointing out, the timing of it the daily pressure spikes doesn't correspond to local hottest times, which debunks the "Heating should cause pressure spikes!" theory.

Also, as EMH has said over and over, the pressure cycles run twice a day. The temperature cycle is once a day. The cycles don't match at all, so his theory is again proven to be wrong.

What does cause the diurnal peaks? Atmospheric tides. Which actually are a thing. They're mainly driven by temperature differences, not raw temperature. Global delta-T between the hot and cold sides isn't growing, so the atmospheric tides aren't growing, so you wouldn't expect pressure to rise.

As to why atmospheric tides run twice a day instead of once a day, that's actually a complicated thing, much like the question of why sea tides run twice a day instead of once a day. However, for the purposes of this discussion, we don't need to know why. We just need to know that they do run twice a day, because that alone disproves the EMH theory, which would require that the cycle run once a day.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So according to EMH here, if I fart, it should increase global surface air pressure. And since there's no record of that in the data, that proves I never fart.

Yes, EMH is so goddamned stupid, he has zero concept of scale, that the mass of gas released by melting ice is completely insignificant compared to the mass of the atmosphere.

As Todd has been pointing out, the timing of it the daily pressure spikes doesn't correspond to local hottest times, which debunks the "Heating should cause pressure spikes!" theory.

Also, as EMH has said over and over, the pressure cycles run twice a day. The temperature cycle is once a day. The cycles don't match at all, so his theory is again proven to be wrong.

What does cause the diurnal peaks? Atmospheric tides. Which actually are a thing. They're mainly driven by temperature differences, not raw temperature. Global delta-T between the hot and cold sides isn't growing, so the atmospheric tides aren't growing, so you wouldn't expect pressure to rise.

As to why atmospheric tides run twice a day instead of once a day, that's actually a complicated thing, much like the question of why sea tides run twice a day instead of once a day. However, for the purposes of this discussion, we don't need to know why. We just need to know that they do run twice a day, because that alone disproves the EMH theory, which would require that the cycle run once a day.

He hasn't been the same since a Jew started sleeping with you know who.......

 

[EMH]

that the mass of gas released by melting ice is completely insignificant compared to the mass of the atmosphere.

Then why was surface air pressure higher during Jurassic??

Paleo-air pressures and respiration of giant Odonatoptera from the Late Carboniferous to the Early Cretaceous | Palaeoentomology

mapress.com

The results suggest that paleo-air pressure has varied from over two bars in the Late Carboniferous, Late Permian, and Middle to Late Jurassic, with lower values in the Early Triassic and Early Jurassic.


"two bars" = TWICE the surface air pressure

What was the density and composition of Earth's atmosphere during the Cretaceous warmest period?

There was time during the age of dinosaurs when the polar regions were ice free. The earth was obviously much warmer but a run-away greenhouse effect did not occur. This was most likely because the

earthscience.stackexchange.com

There was time during the age of dinosaurs when the polar regions were ice free.



.... because there were TWO POLAR OCEANS....

 

[EMH]

the pressure cycles run twice a day.

Noise. Volcanoes = noise. We have a TREND DOWN in Surface Air Pressure, which completely contradicts the narrative of the Co2 FRAUD which claims


temperature rise
net ongoing ice melt
burning of hydrocarbons

all of which should be pushing SAP higher, but ARE NOT.... and the Co2 FRAUD cannot answer WHY NOT because that answer is


1. Earth is NOT WARMING
2. THERE IS NO ONGOING NET ICE MELT

 

[mamooth]

Noise.

You wouldn't look quite so stupid and dishonest if your previous posts, still available for viewing here, didn't show you specifically stating that the atmospheric pressure cycle had two peaks and two troughs every day. That is, two cycles per day.

Here, I'll repost if for you, since you seem to have such trouble remembering what you said.

The most basic change in pressure is the twice daily rise and fall due to the heat from the sun. Each day, the pressure is at its lowest around 4 a.m./p.m., and at its highest around 10 a.m./p.m.

The pressure cycle has a frequency of twice per day. The temperature cycle has a frequency of once per day. Hence, temperature does not drive the pressure cycle, and your kook theory is disproved.

 

[EMH]

You wouldn't look quite so stupid and dishonest if your previous posts, still available for viewing here, didn't show you specifically stating that the atmospheric pressure cycle had two peaks and two troughs every day. That is, two cycles per day.

Yawn... Still not answering why the 70 year chart shows SAP going DOWN. WHY???


Your side claims

Temperature increase
ongoing net ice melt


So why is SAP going down???


Start the Jeopardy! music

 

[mamooth]

Then why was surface air pressure higher during Jurassic??

We don't know that's true. It's a theory some people have put forth to explain why big dragonflies could fly, but it's not a well-regarded theory.

But, even if it was true, it doesn't help your case, becasue there are other warm periods in geologic history that don't have elevated pressures.

Still not answering why the 70 year chart shows SAP going DOWN. WHY???

Because your chart is for one spot off the coast of Lithuania, so it's meaningless when talking about a global issue.

And because our theory doesn't say pressure should be increasing as more ice melts, so even if your chart could be generalized to the whole world, AGW theory would have no problem with it.

It's your theory that has problems. There's no debate about the ice melting, so your theory says pressure has to increase. And it's not.

 

[EMH]

We don't know that's true. It's a theory some people have put forth to explain why big dragonflies could fly, but it's not a well-regarded theory.

BULL

The simple truth about Earth climate change is that, when there are two polar oceans and hence no ice, all the air trapped in the glaciers today is in the atmosphere, and that's why it was 2+ times SAP in those time periods, as well as warmer and wetter. Your side is arguing that now, with about 9 million cubic miles of ice on Earth, it is "warmer" than it was with none. That is the IDIOCY of the Co2 FRAUD.

Google Search

www.google.com

Because your chart is for one spot off the coast of Lithuania

HILARIOUS!!!!!

So SURFACE AIR PRESSURE "varies" from city to city over DECADES.... BULL. Day to day weather, yeah, noise... Decades and decades.... NO, Earth SURFACE AIR PRESSURE does the same everywhere.

This is the SAME NONSENSE we get with your side over "ocean rise," that the "ocean" is really like a Pirates of the Caribbean movie, that it isn't "flat" on a sphere, but rather has peaks, valleys, mountains, and those awesome whirlpools everywhere....

No, if ocean is not rising at Statue of Liberty, it isn't rising in Hawaii or Venice either. Ditto for SAP....

 

[EMH]

There's no debate about the ice melting

LOL!!!

Then WHY can't your side show us ONE SINGLE PHOTO of this alleged "ocean rise?"

Because THERE IS NO OCEAN RISE, because PLANET EARTH IS NOT WARMING.

 

[Crick]

LOL!!!

Then WHY can't your side show us ONE SINGLE PHOTO of this alleged "ocean rise?"

Because THERE IS NO OCEAN RISE, because PLANET EARTH IS NOT WARMING.

How do you live with that level of dishonesty?

 

[ding]

How do you live with that level of dishonesty?

That's rich coming from you.