CNN Medical Analyst Admits After Two Years There's Been 'Overcounting' of COVID Deaths

[Fueri]

Also worth considering that Wen was part of a messaging team that worked off the record with the Biden white house to push out their messaging on social media. Wen has refused to comment on that relationship.

She flip flops around at will and her motivations are suspect, at best.

Easiest way to lower covid deaths is changing the metrics. They did it back in the day to push flu death numbers UP, and followed those same adjusted rules here to falsely elevate covid death numbers to scare people, first into acquiescing to lockdowns, then into getting the shot.

Politically, it's hard to declare victory with people still dropping dead. Change the math and voila!, less dead people!

It's the same manipulation they've been running all along, with their shitty fear porn 'models'- and they run that game in both directions as it suits them.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I know for a fact that tests have a false negative rate (for people who lack common sense, that means the rest says no when they actually have it) and it’s way worse when you have people who don’t stick the swab WAY up their nose.

I also know for a fact that people who don’t have symptoms can have COVID and can spread it.

Your uncle didn’t get COVID until after he saw a bunch of people but you won’t accept that one of those people gave him COVID.

What’s your explanation for how he got COVID? Or do you think the VA made it up?

You guys are deluding yourself because you refuse to accept that actions have consequences.

First of all there are two covid tests: one that gives you quicker results but has it's faults. The other takes longer but produces much more accurate results. Trust me, my sister works at a hospital.

The family was there, the private ambulance came, and they hauled my Uncle to the VA. Now, if anybody in our family had covid and gave it to my Uncle, there is no possible way for any test to come back positive that quickly. He would have had to had covid for at least two days. How do I know this? Because after my father was alerted to the possibility he might have been exposed to covid, he immediately called his doctor since he was 89 at the time with many other health problems. His doctors office advised him that getting tested would be worthless that soon as it would come out negative whether he had it or not. The only people that were tested were those who also seen my Uncle a few days earlier, and of course his health care worker that happened to be a neighbor in the area.

In any case, when my cousin called the doctor to complain about the death certificate, at least the doctor was honest when he stated a lot of people were complaining about the same thing.

 

[AntonToo]

My man:

You can't "get" something if you don't wanna "get" it.

By now anyone over the age of 18 who's still in the Covidian camp has severe mental blockage.

Can you address why people were dying more during upticks in Covid?

Or do you have severe mental blockage that prevents you from using your head on this topic?

 

[Marener]

In any case, when my cousin called the doctor to complain about the death certificate, at least the doctor was honest when he stated a lot of people were complaining about the same thing.

Lots of people don’t want to accept responsibility for their actions. They’ll come up with any excuse and tell any lie to get out of it. They’re brainwashed by right wing rhetoric about COVID.

Look, someone around your uncle gave him COVID. You don’t have to have symptoms. You don’t have to have a positive test. It’s not weird. It happens. You don’t even need to feel guilty about it. That’s life.

Just look at how Trump got COVID, and they kept everyone sick away from him. They’re set up testing for everyone to get access to him. He still got COVID.

This is why when the conservatives said we should just isolate old people, it was never going to work. You can’t totally isolate old people. They depend on others because they’re old.

 

[Lesh]

Regardless of what CNN says or how people misinterpret what they say

Counting excess deaths shows that the COVID death count was relatively accurate

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Admitted lying? That's a fantasy in your head.

Administration's job was to minimize deaths, get people vaccinated and end the deadly pandemic. Which is exactly what they've done while nutbags like you did exactly opposite and got people sick and killed needlessly.

These vaccines didn't stop anything. You get covid whether you're vaccinated or not. The vaccines only help you fight it much better, but you're still just as contagious.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Lots of people don’t want to accept responsibility for their actions. They’ll come up with any excuse and tell any lie to get out of it. They’re brainwashed by right wing rhetoric about COVID.

Look, someone around your uncle gave him COVID. You don’t have to have symptoms. You don’t have to have a positive test. It’s not weird. It happens. You don’t even need to feel guilty about it. That’s life.

Just look at how Trump got COVID, and they kept everyone sick away from him. They’re set up testing for everyone to get access to him. He still got COVID.

This is why when the conservatives said we should just isolate old people, it was never going to work. You can’t totally isolate old people. They depend on others because they’re old.

I'm glad to see you know more than the doctors about covid and the tests, but just for shits and giggles, I'll listen to the doctors before you. Once again, there is no possible way my Uncle could have gotten covid from any visitor and test positive. It doesn't work that way. Covid needs time to become apparent to any test whether it's the cheap fast one or the more accurate slow test.

As per the OP, they are finally coming clean in admitting the covid counts were overblown. It happened in my family, a friend of mine now daughter-in-law, an ER nurse admits it. It seems the only people that can't admit it is you on the left in spite of the evidence.

 

[Marener]

I'm glad to see you know more than the doctors about covid and the tests, but just for shits and giggles, I'll listen to the doctors before you. Once again, there is no possible way my Uncle could have gotten covid from any visitor and test positive. It doesn't work that way. Covid needs time to become apparent to any test whether it's the cheap fast one or the more accurate slow test.

As per the OP, they are finally coming clean in admitting the covid counts were overblown. It happened in my family, a friend of mine now daughter-in-law, an ER nurse admits it. It seems the only people that can't admit it is you on the left in spite of the evidence.

Your uncle got COVID from someone who visited him the days before he tested positive.

That’s how it happened.

Why would you be upset at the hospital?

Clearly you don’t believe the doctors.

Also, Townhall is full of political hacks. The blog post distorts the actual op-ed, which I doubt you read.

 

[AntonToo]

These vaccines didn't stop anything.

They absolutely helped us to get to immunity sufficient to return to normality.

There is no serious disagreement about that among epidemiologists.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Your uncle got COVID from someone who visited him the days before he tested positive.

That’s how it happened.

Why would you be upset at the hospital?

Clearly you don’t believe the doctors.

Also, Townhall is full of political hacks. The blog post distorts the actual op-ed, which I doubt you read.

Fine, you know more about what happened in my family than I do. You know more about testing than our doctors do. As the late Rush Limbaugh said so many times "Liberals always think they are the smartest ones in the room!"

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

They absolutely helped us to get to immunity sufficient to return to normality.

There is no serious disagreement about that among epidemiologists.

The immunity in question only helped the individual, not the spread. Even with immunity, they still had the ability to pass covid to other people. So to say people that didn't get the vax were responsible for the slow recovery is just being uninformed.

My cousins came in from out of town to celebrate their fathers 90th birthday. They were all going to have a party and go out for dinner. Every member of my family were vaccinated by last summer. They got hit with covid and had to cancel the festivities. They gave it to each other.

 

[jotathought]

Cool story nutbag...but who killed all the people in sync with Covid waves?

These are total weekly deaths. Notice anything going on since spring 2020?

What is the source of your graph?

COVID metrics included deaths where individuals had COVID (correlation) and individuals because of COVID (causation). The CDC has been continuously questioned on this front, and Biden even began conversations for hospitalization numbers to be more finite.

 

[AntonToo]

The immunity in question only helped the individual, not the spread. Even with immunity, they still had the ability to pass covid to other people. So to say people that didn't get the vax were responsible for the slow recovery is just being uninformed.

My cousins came in from out of town to celebrate their fathers 90th birthday. They were all going to have a party and go out for dinner. Every member of my family were vaccinated by last summer. They got hit with covid and had to cancel the festivities. They gave it to each other.

Immunity is not just a question of spread, it's also in how sick you get when you get infected.

Obviously Covid is adaptive enough to get past full immunity, but the current immunity keeps people from getting very sick with it, so we can get back to normal.

 

[AntonToo]

What is the source of your graph?

COVID metrics included deaths where individuals had COVID (correlation) and individuals because of COVID (causation). The CDC has been continuously questioned on this front, and Biden even began conversations for hospitalization numbers to be more finite.

CDC excessive death statistics. They are independent from causes of death, just straight death numbers, which are normally very stable.

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19 | Data | Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

data.cdc.gov

 

[AntonToo]

Fine, you know more about what happened in my family than I do. You know more about testing than our doctors do. As the late Rush Limbaugh said so many times "Liberals always think they are the smartest ones in the room!"

I asked you if any healthcare professional ruled out that Covid was a contributing factor to your Uncle's death.

Do you have an answer?

 

[AntonToo]

Fool, the CDC reported in the Spring of 2020, that hospitals were grossly overreporting Covid deaths with commorbidities, due to a conflict of interest coming from the CARE$$$$$$ Act.

That is straight fantasy. They've never reported anything like that and excessive death statics showed big undercount of Covid deaths early in the pandemic.

What do you call people that can't tell a difference between their fantasies and facts?

 

[protectionist]

That is straight fantasy. They've never reported anything like that and excessive death statics showed big undercount of Covid deaths early in the pandemic.

What do you call people that can't tell a difference between their fantasies and facts?

I posted the copy /paste directly from the CDC website 2 years ago.. Everybody has known about this for 2+ years and you're just finding out now - and then you say you don't believe it. HA HA HA HA. The whole forum is laughing at you.

And what's so unbelievable ? I couldn't think of many things MORE believable. The CARES Act says it's going to pay hospitals thousands of dollars for each Covid death they report, and you think they're not going to over-report ?
CDC said the numbers were grossly INFLATED, because hospitals were reporting very inflated numbers as a result of the CARES Act PAYING THEM ACCORDING TO the # of COVID DEATHS REPORTED.

The Comorbitities raised the number exponentially. People were being pulled dead out of car accidents, and they were being reported as Covid. You know nothing.

Practically everyone in America knows (and HAS known it for 2 years & 1/2) this, except you. Your trouble is you're apparently an information-deprived victim of liberal OMISSION media, who doesn't know what he doesn't know. Do you even know what the word comorbidities means ?

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[Ray From Cleveland]

I asked you if any healthcare professional ruled out that Covid was a contributing factor to your Uncle's death.

Do you have an answer?

I told you what they put down as the primary cause of his death. What didn't you understand about that statement?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Immunity is not just a question of spread, it's also in how sick you get when you get infected.

Obviously Covid is adaptive enough to get past full immunity, but the current immunity keeps people from getting very sick with it, so we can get back to normal.

That's what I said. It didn't stop anything, it only helped those that did catch covid like so many in my family.

 

[jotathought]

CDC excessive death statistics. They are independent from causes of death, just straight death numbers, which are normally very stable.

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19 | Data | Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

data.cdc.gov

The point is moot ... with the CDC counting deaths based on correlation, it's not accurate. Someone dying from a gunshot wound with COVID is not a valid death. Even the state of Massachusetts breaks down correlation and causation which shows a dramatically reduced set of death metrics.