Climategate, AP Not Impressed

[concept]

determines they do nothing to change the science of global warming.

Must read AP analysis of stolen emails: An “exhaustive review” shows “the exchanges don’t undercut the vast body of evidence showing the world is warming because of man-made greenhouse gas emissions.” « Climate Progress

And I read this is a local conservative newspaper also. So, Limbaugh will be beating a dead horse for months to come...HA!

Of course they don't.


Only the dopey lib apologists believe that crap.

 

[elvis]

not that the mainstream networks have a conflict of interest. you know, all those green energy ads they run all time.

I wouldn't know about the ads, I don't watch much television. However, I don't see CBS with any on thursday nights. (Survivor )

Though why would you only focus on the green energy ads put forth but not the influence of the oil companies and other non-green companies?

you said there was a conflict of interest to deny global warming. I stated the other side.

 

[Sinatra]

Red fucking herring.

How many people die every year of hypotrhermia?

But that would involve using data from Scientists!

During 1979--2002, a total of 16,555 deaths in the United States, an average of 689 per year (range: 417--1,021), were attributed to exposure to excessive natural cold (International Classification of Diseases, Ninth and Tenth Revision ICD-9 codes E901.0, E901.8, and E901.9; ICD-10 code X31) (Figure 1) (4). Annual death rates were highest before 1990 (range: 0.3--0.4 per 100,000 population), then decreased to 0.2 beginning in 1991, except for an increase to 0.3 in 2000.

In 2002, a total of 646 hypothermia-related deaths were reported, with an annual death rate of 0.2 per 100,000 population. The majority of reported hypothermia-related deaths (66%) occurred in males (Figure 2), but the overall death rate (0.5) was the same for both males and females. Fifty-two percent of all decedents were aged >65 years, and 50% were male. The death rate for males and females aged >65 years was 1.2 and 0.8, respectively. Forty-five percent of all reported deaths occurred among white males (death rate: 0.3), and 14% occurred among black males (0.5).

Hypothermia-Related Deaths --- United States, 2003--2004

Oh wait, can't trust that link. It's the Government.

Because in America, we turn on the damn heat pard.

The poor nations who don't enjoy the same quality of life, don't have that option - and CO2 regulations will make such an option even more difficult for them.

 

[Sinatra]

not that the mainstream networks have a conflict of interest. you know, all those green energy ads they run all time.

I wouldn't know about the ads, I don't watch much television. However, I don't see CBS with any on thursday nights. (Survivor )

Though why would you only focus on the green energy ads put forth but not the influence of the oil companies and other non-green companies?

you said there was a conflict of interest to deny global warming. I stated the other side.

They don't want another side - the climategate emails proved that...

 

[Cold Fusion38]

There is no real dispute that weather data from cities, as collected by meteorological stations, is contaminated by urban heat island (UHI) bias, and that this has to be removed to identify climatic changes or trends. In cities, vertical walls, steel and concrete absorb the sun’s heat and are slow to cool at night. More and more of the world is urbanized (population increased from 1.5 B to 6 B in 1900s).
The UHI effect occurs not only for big cities but also for towns. Oke (who won the 2008 American Meteorological Society’s Helmut Landsberg award for his pioneer work on urbanization) had a formula for the warming that is tied to population. Oke (1973) found that the UHI (in °C) increases according to the formula

GISS uses in the USA, southern Canada and northern Mexico an urbanization adjustment based on the amount of night time light measured by satellites from the station locations. Unlit stations are classified as rural stations. This does produce some adjustment and a reasonable plot of temperatures but as GISS notes, this is just less than 2% of the globe.”
The difference from their adjusted values and the NOAA no longer adjusted shows NOAA was misguided in their removal of the urban adjustment, with a net cooling of 0.2F in 1930s and warming of 0.4F near 2005. NOAA data adjusted to the GISS base period of 1951-1980.

The net warming in the UHI adjusted GISS US data set from the peak around 1930 to the peak near 2000 was a meager 0.15C. It may be assumed the same would be true for the world if we could make a similar needed UHI adjustment.
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/US_AND_GLOBAL_TEMP_ISSUES.pdf

Joseph D’Aleo was the first Director of Meteorology at the cable TV Weather Channel. He has over 30 years experience in professional meteorology. Mr. D’Aleo was Chief Meteorologist at Weather Services International Corporation and Senior Editor of “Dr. Dewpoint” for WSI’s popular Intellicast.com web site. He is a former college professor of Meteorology at Lyndon State College. He has authored and presented a number of papers as well as published a book focused on advanced applications enabled by new technologies and how research into ENSO and other atmospheric and oceanic phenomena has made skillful seasonal forecasts possible. Mr. D’Aleo has also authored many articles and made numerous presentations on the roles cycles in the sun and oceans have played in climate change.

Mr. D’Aleo is a Certified Consultant Meteorologist and was elected a Fellow of the American Meteorological Society (AMS). He has served as a member and then chairman of the American Meteorological Society’ Committee on Weather Analysis and Forecasting, and has co-chaired national conferences for both the American Meteorological Society and the National Weather Association. Mr. D’Aleo was elected a Councilor for the AMS.

Joseph D’Aleo is a graduate of the University of Wisconsin BS, MS and was in the doctoral program at NYU.

Mr. D’Aleo’s areas of expertise include climatology, natural factors involved in climate change, weather and climate prediction, and North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO).

Dr. Robert C. Balling Jr. is a professor in the climatology program at Arizona State University, specializing in climate change and the greenhouse effect. Balling has been a climate consultant to the United Nations Environment Program, the World Climate Program, the World Meteorological Organization, the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. In addition, Dr. Balling authored The Heated Debate: Greenhouse Predictions Versus Climate Reality. He is also co-author of the book Satanic Gases with Pat Michaels.
ICECAP


While the debate rages, perhaps there are a few out there that do have the ability to call into question this so called consensus and still have the ability to debate their peers on a professional level.

And why would we exclude UHI? Since you seem to understand that dark asfalt ABSORBS heat you would also understand that the land mass under the ice that is melting WILL ABSORB MORE HEAT than the ice which reflects it.....Now hear is the real bitch.....Permafrost releases METHANE from dead plant matter and I thing we ALL know that METHANE is an even worse greenhouse gas. YES!!??

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Question about 'temperature anomalies... What constitutes an anomalies versus normal deviation?

Ask the 30,000 Europeans who died in the '05 heat wave.

What did they have a drought and have no water to drink? Die from famine? I never heard about a famine in 2005...

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Question about 'temperature anomalies... What constitutes an anomalies versus normal deviation?

Ask the 30,000 Europeans who died in the '05 heat wave.

Red fucking herring.

How many people die every year from hypothermia?

Yet more undeniable proof that cold sucks

 

[Modbert]

you said there was a conflict of interest to deny global warming. I stated the other side.

There is a conflict of interest in both cases. However, in this thread, the only side that was highlighted is the side you just stated.

 

[Modbert]

They don't want another side - the climategate emails proved that...

You truly are blinded by your own bullshit eh?

 

[Sinatra]

AP’s Seth Borenstein is just too damn cozy with the people he covers – time for AP to do something about it

Here’s a recent story from the Associated Press:

By Seth Borenstein, Raphael Satter and Malcolm Ritter, Dec 12, 2009

“E-mails stolen from climate scientists show they stonewalled skeptics and discussed hiding data — but the messages don’t support claims that the science of global warming was faked, according to an exhaustive review by The Associated Press.”

Look in the mirror, fools. It’s right there in the CRU emails:

On Jul 23, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Borenstein, Seth wrote:

Kevin, Gavin, Mike,
It’s Seth again. Attached is a paper in JGR today that
Marc Morano is hyping wildly. It’s in a legit journal. Whatchya think?
Seth



Watts Up With That?

 

[Modbert]

Your link gave me the main page. Try again.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Easier to die from hypothermia than Heat Stroke.


So let's compare the % of scientists who believe global warming(climate change) 95% to those who don't 5%..........Now if that were an election result we would call that a MANDATE right?


95 FUCKING %.......Get it through your thick fucking skulls. PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE!!!

 

[Modbert]

95 FUCKING %.......Get it through your thick fucking skulls. PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE!!!

Surveyed scientists agree global warming is real - CNN.com

 

[Si modo]

Easier to die from hypothermia than Heat Stroke.


So let's compare the % of scientists who believe global warming(climate change) 95% to those who don't 5%..........Now if that were an election result we would call that a MANDATE right?


95 FUCKING %.......Get it through your thick fucking skulls. PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE!!!

Science is not done by consensus nor is it done by a vote or a poll.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Easier to die from hypothermia than Heat Stroke.

easier to add layers and retain heat than to stay cool

 

[Sinatra]

Your link gave me the main page. Try again.

Scroll down pard...

 

[Modbert]

Scroll down pard...

I think not. Direct link.

 

[Sinatra]

AP’s Seth Borenstein is just too damn cozy with the people he covers – time for AP to do something about it

Here’s a recent story from the Associated Press:

By Seth Borenstein, Raphael Satter and Malcolm Ritter, Dec 12, 2009

“E-mails stolen from climate scientists show they stonewalled skeptics and discussed hiding data — but the messages don’t support claims that the science of global warming was faked, according to an exhaustive review by The Associated Press.”

Look in the mirror, fools. It’s right there in the CRU emails:

On Jul 23, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Borenstein, Seth wrote:

Kevin, Gavin, Mike,
It’s Seth again. Attached is a paper in JGR today that
Marc Morano is hyping wildly. It’s in a legit journal. Whatchya think?
Seth



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AP’s Seth Borenstein is just too damn cozy with the people he covers – time for AP to do something about it « Watts Up With That?


When a reporter is part of an email thread where one of the respondents says:

On Jul 23, 2009, at 9:05 PM, Jim Salinger wrote:

Hi All
Thanks for the pro-activeness. Is there an opportunity to write a
letter to JGR pointing out the junk science in this??….if
it is not rebutted, then all sceptics will use this to justify their
position.


Jim

It gives the appearance that he is not interested in reporting the other side of the story, especially when he is the instigator of the email thread by saying:

Marc Morano is hyping wildly. It’s in a legit journal. Whatchya think?

So, how then would the AP trust Seth Borenstein to do an “exhaustive inquiry” when he is part of the issue?

 

[Modbert]

Now Sinatra, do you have an unbiased source?

 

[Oddball]

Easier to die from hypothermia than Heat Stroke.


So let's compare the % of scientists who believe global warming(climate change) 95% to those who don't 5%..........Now if that were an election result we would call that a MANDATE right?


95 FUCKING %.......Get it through your thick fucking skulls. PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE!!!

How 'bout you get this through your thick fucking skull....


Peer review doesn't reproduce a scientific phenomenon on demand. Nor does it supply a static control or provide falsifiablility...All of which are standard hallmarks and acid tests for "settled science".


And, speaking of credibly reviewed numbers, I'm STILL waiting for ANY AGW hack to provide the independently verified statistics which show 95% of scientists throw in with the AGW cult.