Climate Scientists’ Road to Hell

[bripat9643]

Curry got spanked by many of her peers for her stand that the scientists should play good little virgins and take no part in the rough and tumble of policy debates. Well, scientists also have children and grandchildren, and care about their future. Curry has lost the debate, and the respect of her colleagues for that reason.

You mean a bunch of partisan hacks attacked Curry? That only proves her point.

 

[mamooth]

Curry just said the solution to global warming is ... more air conditioning. Air condition the world. I think it's her willingness to be so damn stupid that makes her a hero to the deniers. Birds of a feather.

This is a good time to bring up the third paper by Lewandowsky and Cook on the conspiratorial nature of deniers. Deniers, you know what you have to do. Scream at the publishers and threaten to sue. Do that thug thing you do so well, then crow "the paper was retracted!", even though it was simply published elsewhere, then instantly flip about and declare you're the ones being silenced.

Recurrent Fury Conspiratorial Discourse in the Blogosphere Triggered by Research on the Role of Conspiracist Ideation in Climate Denial Lewandowsky Journal of Social and Political Psychology

Conspiratorial thinking tends to fall into one of these 7 categories. When you're bored, go through the denier arguments here and put them into each category.

1. Questionable Motives (QM): Assuming that the presumed conspirators have nefarious intentions.

2. Persecuted Victim (PV): Self-identifying as the victim of an organized persecution.

3. Overriding Suspicion (OS): Refusing to believe anything that doesn't fit into the conspiracy theory.

4. Nothing Occurs by Accident (NOBA): Weaving any random event into the conspiracy narrative.

5. Something Must Be Wrong (SMBW): Switching liberally between different, even contradictory conspiracy theories that have in common only the presumption that there is something wrong in the official account by the alleged conspirators.

6. Self-Sealing Reasoning (SSR): Interpreting any evidence against the conspiracy as evidence for the conspiracy.

7. Unreflexive Counterfactual Thinking (UCT): Deliberately living in a fantasy world, even after the fantasy has been debunked.

 

[westwall]

J Curry has an article up on the impropriety of the Chief Editor of the journal Science, Marcia McNutt, writing in the journal that "The time for debate has ended."

Curry- My concern re introducing bias in Science is several orders of magnitude greater. Science, along with Nature, has far and away the highest impact factor of any scientific journals on the planet – Science matters. Like Nature, Sciencesends out for review only a small fraction of the submitted papers. Apart from the role the Chief Editor may have in selecting which papers go out for review or eventually get published, this essay sends a message to the other editors and reviewers that papers challenging the consensus are not to be published inScience. Not to mention giving favored status to papers by activist authors that sound the ‘alarm’ – pal review and all that. After all, ‘the time for debate has ended.’

What really amused me was Curry juxtaposing McNutt's use of Dante's Infernoes with V Jones article from Xmas 2012. Climate Scientists Road to Hell Digging in the Clay

it is a great compilation of crimes against climate science by many of the climate scientists that are supposed to be protecting the integrity of science. (heh heh, any guesses on how often M Mann gets mentioned?). Lots of links to some of the issues that are brought up here but perhaps newcomers dont actually know much about.

Yes, I saw that post too. It is quite good.

 

[bripat9643]

Curry just said the solution to global warming is ... more air conditioning. Air condition the world. I think it's her willingness to be so damn stupid that makes her a hero to the deniers. Birds of a feather.

This is a good time to bring up the third paper by Lewandowsky and Cook on the conspiratorial nature of deniers. Deniers, you know what you have to do. Scream at the publishers and threaten to sue. Do that thug thing you do so well, then crow "the paper was retracted!", even though it was simply published elsewhere, then instantly flip about and declare you're the ones being silenced.

Recurrent Fury Conspiratorial Discourse in the Blogosphere Triggered by Research on the Role of Conspiracist Ideation in Climate Denial Lewandowsky Journal of Social and Political Psychology

Conspiratorial thinking tends to fall into one of these 7 categories. When you're bored, go through the denier arguments here and put them into each category.

1. Questionable Motives (QM): Assuming that the presumed conspirators have nefarious intentions.

2. Persecuted Victim (PV): Self-identifying as the victim of an organized persecution.

3. Overriding Suspicion (OS): Refusing to believe anything that doesn't fit into the conspiracy theory.

4. Nothing Occurs by Accident (NOBA): Weaving any random event into the conspiracy narrative.

5. Something Must Be Wrong (SMBW): Switching liberally between different, even contradictory conspiracy theories that have in common only the presumption that there is something wrong in the official account by the alleged conspirators.

6. Self-Sealing Reasoning (SSR): Interpreting any evidence against the conspiracy as evidence for the conspiracy.

7. Unreflexive Counterfactual Thinking (UCT): Deliberately living in a fantasy world, even after the fantasy has been debunked.

You just described the GW cult perfectly.

 

[Crick]

Paddie, it you and yours that think the world's climate scientists are in a vast global conspiracy. The only conspiracy our side talks about is the fossil fuel industry's firmly established disinformation campaign (see Not Just the Koch Brothers New Drexel Study Reveals Funders Behind the Climate Change Denial Effort Now Drexel University or Dark Money Funds Climate Change Denial Effort - Scientific American or Not just the Koch brothers New study reveals funders behind the climate change denial effort

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"the time for debate has ended" is Cult speak for 'were totally fucked so close ranks and shoot anyone on our side who decides to act like a real scientist'

 

[Crick]

Once again, McNutt was addressing politicians concerning debate about policy, not scientists conducting research. That is patently obvious from the context of her words and suggesting otherwise is patently dishonest.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Curry got spanked by many of her peers for her stand that the scientists should play good little virgins and take no part in the rough and tumble of policy debates. Well, scientists also have children and grandchildren, and care about their future. Curry has lost the debate, and the respect of her colleagues for that reason.

People getting paid by the AGWCult are against Curry.

Shocking

Is there any field of science where people say "The Debate is over"? We're still testing Relativity, with real experiments. 30 years ago the AGWCult was talking about Global Cooling, 10 years ago, it was "Global Warming, 5 years ago Climate change, and they're saying "The debate is over" lol

Comedy

 

[CrusaderFrank]

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^ How real science gets done

^ How the AGWCult does it's version of 'science'

 

[Billy_Bob]

Paddie, it you and yours that think the world's climate scientists are in a vast global conspiracy. The only conspiracy our side talks about is the fossil fuel industry's firmly established disinformation campaign (see Not Just the Koch Brothers New Drexel Study Reveals Funders Behind the Climate Change Denial Effort Now Drexel University or Dark Money Funds Climate Change Denial Effort - Scientific American or Not just the Koch brothers New study reveals funders behind the climate change denial effort

Appeal to authority, lie , lie, lie.... My God Crick do you have a brain in there some where or do you just repeat Ad hominum attacks by left wing zealots that have no scientific value for fun

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Paddie, it you and yours that think the world's climate scientists are in a vast global conspiracy. The only conspiracy our side talks about is the fossil fuel industry's firmly established disinformation campaign (see Not Just the Koch Brothers New Drexel Study Reveals Funders Behind the Climate Change Denial Effort Now Drexel University or Dark Money Funds Climate Change Denial Effort - Scientific American or Not just the Koch brothers New study reveals funders behind the climate change denial effort

"But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy" - IPCC

Clearly.

 

[Crick]

What nation's policy has that man set?

And how do you justify the fantasy that the world's climate scientists (and most scientists of every other sort) are in a vast conspiracy of lies and falsification? How do you get that idea past a simple sanity check?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What nation's policy has that man set?

And how do you justify the fantasy that the world's climate scientists (and most scientists of every other sort) are in a vast conspiracy of lies and falsification? How do you get that idea past a simple sanity check?

Are you changing your story yet again?

 

[Crick]

Top guy at the IPCC is telling us flat out they're using climate policy as a ruse to take money

"One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole"

Yes Ottmar, we know climate policy is all about the Benjamins even to the point of paying people to post onlibe

What actual national policy does he control? Seems a simple question. Where's your answer?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Top guy at the IPCC is telling us flat out they're using climate policy as a ruse to take money

"One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole"

Yes Ottmar, we know climate policy is all about the Benjamins even to the point of paying people to post onlibe

What actual national policy does he control? Seems a simple question. Where's your answer?

He's the IPCC so he doesn't control any one nation....were you trying to be clever? It's not working.

At least, you're off the "he's a low level IPCC economist who nobody's ever heard of" response. Good, Crick, that's progress

Well he's got Obama's big ear

Obama cited the fake "97%" meme

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/image/president27sclimateactionplan.pdf

 

[bripat9643]

Paddie, it you and yours that think the world's climate scientists are in a vast global conspiracy. The only conspiracy our side talks about is the fossil fuel industry's firmly established disinformation campaign (see Not Just the Koch Brothers New Drexel Study Reveals Funders Behind the Climate Change Denial Effort Now Drexel University or Dark Money Funds Climate Change Denial Effort - Scientific American or Not just the Koch brothers New study reveals funders behind the climate change denial effort

You accuse sceptics of believing in a conspiracy of climate scientists, and then you immediately admit that you believe in a conspiracy of sceptics.

You're not very good at this logic stuff, are you?

I don't accuse climate scientists of being in a conspiracy. I simply observe that all their interests are aligned in the direction of a given conclusion. All taxi drivers oppose abolishing the taxi monopoly. It's not a conspiracy. It's the fact that all taxi drivers having a financial interest in maintaining the monopoly. All climate scientists have a financial and career interest in maintaining the AGW scam.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What nation's policy has that man set?

And how do you justify the fantasy that the world's climate scientists (and most scientists of every other sort) are in a vast conspiracy of lies and falsification? How do you get that idea past a simple sanity check?

Are you changing your story yet again?

No. Why do you find it necessary to so frequently make charges against me that you have to know are false? When are you going to produce the quote you claim to have seen of me stating I get paid to post here?

Crick what are we supposed to say when you keep changing your story?

First you told us Ottman was a low level IPCC economist

then you told us he was expressing his personal opinion

this is now the fourth or fifth Crick iteration on the obvious quote

I think calling you "disingenuous" is extremely generous

 

[IanC]

Once again, McNutt was addressing politicians concerning debate about policy, not scientists conducting research. That is patently obvious from the context of her words and suggesting otherwise is patently dishonest.

McNutt put an op-ed piece in Science, misusing her position to use the banked authority of that journal to state "the time for debate is over". Anti-science at its worst. Legitimate scientists should be calling for her resignation.

 

[mamooth]

McNutt put an op-ed piece in Science, misusing her position to use the banked authority of that journal to state "the time for debate is over". Anti-science at its worst. Legitimate scientists should be calling for her resignation.

1. Questionable Motives (QM): Assuming that the presumed conspirators have nefarious intentions.

2. Persecuted Victim (PV): Self-identifying as the victim of an organized persecution.

 

[bripat9643]

McNutt put an op-ed piece in Science, misusing her position to use the banked authority of that journal to state "the time for debate is over". Anti-science at its worst. Legitimate scientists should be calling for her resignation.

1. Questionable Motives (QM): Assuming that the presumed conspirators have nefarious intentions.

2. Persecuted Victim (PV): Self-identifying as the victim of an organized persecution.

You're talking about the AGW cult, aren't you?