Citizen's home is raided because of a Facebook posting

[tinydancer]

It's the headlines calling it a raid.

How anal is everyone today? ***** at the news organizations.

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And on and on it goes. Who gives a shit about the freaking wording?

 

[tinydancer]

This is like quibbling over a wife saying her husband beat her, when in reality he only smashed her twice in the face.

What the hell. The way this thread is going posters would be saying "well it really wasn't a true beating you know".

 

[Mustang]

It's the headlines calling it a raid.

How anal is everyone today? ***** at the news organizations.

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And on and on it goes. Who gives a shit about the freaking wording?

I take that as a tacit admission that FOX misrepresented the facts.

 

[francoHFW]

OP- Infotainment/propaganda, for dupes only. Business slow?

 

[tinydancer]

It's the headlines calling it a raid.

How anal is everyone today? ***** at the news organizations.

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Activist Post: NJ Police Raid Home of Activist on Rumor That He Had ...


And on and on it goes. Who gives a shit about the freaking wording?

I take that as a tacit admission that FOX misrepresented the facts.

It's more than Fox.

Why not discuss the topic? You're at your friends place and at 9pm you get a text message that the police and state workers are at your house from your wife?

Hello? That's the topic. Not "raid" nor freaking Fox News. All this shit goes down because of a Facebook picture?

The clash between gun rights and child welfare began Friday at around 9 p.m., when Moore was at a friend’s house, where he received a text message from his wife telling him police and state workers were at his home.

He called his lawyer and rushed home. The lawyer, Evan Nappen, told the News the “heavy handed” encounter violated the first, second and fourth amendments because Moore was simply exercising his free speech rights online, and his gun and privacy rights in his home.

“My client is just a blue collar, hardworking union man who wants to enjoy hunting and the outdoors with his son,” Nappen said Wednesday.

The lawyer pointed out that the controversial photo shows Josh with his finger off the trigger — a sign that he understand firearms safety.

Facebook photo of 10-year-old with a rifle sends New*Jersey child welfare authorities to father?s home* - NY Daily News

 

[Conservadude]

Welcome to Liberal America. They control what you eat, drink, post on Facebook.. and if you support the 2nd amendment, you might just receive a visit from social services!

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Now you're not thinking. By questioning the parents, they gather evidence to get probable cause for a warrant. Police can question suspects at any time. It's up to the parents to decide how far they wish to cooperate with the police at the time of questioning if they wish to cooperate with them at all. They can confer with a lawyer at any time. The parents actually did the right thing....... but it wasn't any raid!!

Police can question suspects anytime....

What the **** are these parents suspects of?

******* idiot

LOL

You tell me dumbfuck, you posted the OP.

I'm debating whether it was a raid.

They did nothing wrong jackass. Thats why I posted it. You claim police have rights with regard to suspects so what exactly are these parents suspected of doing to violate the law? Or were you just running off at the mouth like most if not all libs in this thread.

 

[Mustang]

It's the headlines calling it a raid.

How anal is everyone today? ***** at the news organizations.

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Activist Post: NJ Police Raid Home of Activist on Rumor That He Had ...


And on and on it goes. Who gives a shit about the freaking wording?

I take that as a tacit admission that FOX misrepresented the facts.

It's more than Fox.

Why not discuss the topic? You're at your friends place and at 9pm you get a text message that the police and state workers are at your house from your wife?

Hello? That's the topic. Not "raid" nor freaking Fox News. All this shit goes down because of a Facebook picture?

The clash between gun rights and child welfare began Friday at around 9 p.m., when Moore was at a friend’s house, where he received a text message from his wife telling him police and state workers were at his home.

He called his lawyer and rushed home. The lawyer, Evan Nappen, told the News the “heavy handed” encounter violated the first, second and fourth amendments because Moore was simply exercising his free speech rights online, and his gun and privacy rights in his home.

“My client is just a blue collar, hardworking union man who wants to enjoy hunting and the outdoors with his son,” Nappen said Wednesday.

The lawyer pointed out that the controversial photo shows Josh with his finger off the trigger — a sign that he understand firearms safety.

Facebook photo of 10-year-old with a rifle sends New*Jersey child welfare authorities to father?s home* - NY Daily News

Didn't the article say that he believed someone called child welfare? What are they supposed to do? Ignore the call? Someone from child welfare showed up with police (because they can ask for a police presence if they feel it might be necessary. They knocked on the door. The home owner declined to open the safe. He wasn't forced to open it. They left.

No raid. No arrest. No gun confiscation.

Edit to add: But let's not lose sight of the fact that FOX is misrepresenting the facts of what happened in the middle of a debate over gun laws. It was, I believe, purposely meant to ratchet up fear among people who already have unduly irrational fears about widespread gun confiscation. That's not even remotely responsible journalism.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I just read the story. The home was NOT raided.

I should have figured that was the case, considering who started the thread.

Sean Moore Says NJ Child Welfare Agency Overreacted To Facebook Photo Of Son Josh Holding Rifle

Yep, one of the few honest posters on here started this thread. And I did it with a title that was presented in the link.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The police "over reached" perhaps, but that is not tantamount to a raid. The police asked for access when they did not have the right to, the man refused and the police left. The man is an attention whore and a cry baby.

They threatened to come back with a warrant, that is hardly what I would call leaving when they were refused permission to enter.

according to the gentlemen making a spectacle out of everything - who offers no evidence but his word that they said any such thing.

All it would take for me to question it didn't happen is a denial from the police. Has anyone seen one of those yet? Can anyone explain why getting a complaint from an anonymous source justifies a government investigation in the first place?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The police "over reached" perhaps, but that is not tantamount to a raid. The police asked for access when they did not have the right to, the man refused and the police left. The man is an attention whore and a cry baby.

They threatened to come back with a warrant, that is hardly what I would call leaving when they were refused permission to enter.

Did they come back with one?

You aren't getting the point, are you? They showed up in force, made threats, and had to be told by a lawyer that they had no right to be there. They should have known that before they showed up, and actually done something useful.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

They threatened to come back with a warrant, that is hardly what I would call leaving when they were refused permission to enter.

according to the gentlemen making a spectacle out of everything - who offers no evidence but his word that they said any such thing.

All it would take for me to question it didn't happen is a denial from the police. Has anyone seen one of those yet? Can anyone explain why getting a complaint from an anonymous source justifies a government investigation in the first place?

To error on the side of child safety is one thing. To overreact to a liberal nut who hates guns is another. And from my understanding it is normal practice for police to escort dfs. Only this time it seems dfs was escorting the police who were escorting liberal hate policies.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Now you're not thinking. By questioning the parents, they gather evidence to get probable cause for a warrant. Police can question suspects at any time. It's up to the parents to decide how far they wish to cooperate with the police at the time of questioning if they wish to cooperate with them at all. They can confer with a lawyer at any time. The parents actually did the right thing....... but it wasn't any raid!!

Actually, they can't, because suspects, and potential suspects, have a right to remain silent, which means the police absolutely cannot question them at any time.

By the way, if this was just a routine follow up on a complaint by CPS, why the **** didn't they show up in during office hours instead of showing up in the middle of the night with guns?

ooo... with guns... sounds so dramatic.

Since when is a right-winger afraid of guns?

Did CPS not call the police and get them to intimidate these people? Do police not have guns? I repeat, if this was a routine follow up on an anonymous complain why would CPS show up in the middle of the night with guns?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I just read the story. The home was NOT raided.

I should have figured that was the case, considering who started the thread.

Sean Moore Says NJ Child Welfare Agency Overreacted To Facebook Photo Of Son Josh Holding Rifle

They showed up in force, it was a raid.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

It's the headlines calling it a raid.

How anal is everyone today? ***** at the news organizations.

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And on and on it goes. Who gives a shit about the freaking wording?

I take that as a tacit admission that FOX misrepresented the facts.

I take that as your unconditional support of a police state.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I take that as a tacit admission that FOX misrepresented the facts.

It's more than Fox.

Why not discuss the topic? You're at your friends place and at 9pm you get a text message that the police and state workers are at your house from your wife?

Hello? That's the topic. Not "raid" nor freaking Fox News. All this shit goes down because of a Facebook picture?

The clash between gun rights and child welfare began Friday at around 9 p.m., when Moore was at a friend’s house, where he received a text message from his wife telling him police and state workers were at his home.

He called his lawyer and rushed home. The lawyer, Evan Nappen, told the News the “heavy handed” encounter violated the first, second and fourth amendments because Moore was simply exercising his free speech rights online, and his gun and privacy rights in his home.

“My client is just a blue collar, hardworking union man who wants to enjoy hunting and the outdoors with his son,” Nappen said Wednesday.

The lawyer pointed out that the controversial photo shows Josh with his finger off the trigger — a sign that he understand firearms safety.

Facebook photo of 10-year-old with a rifle sends New*Jersey child welfare authorities to father?s home* - NY Daily News

Didn't the article say that he believed someone called child welfare? What are they supposed to do? Ignore the call? Someone from child welfare showed up with police (because they can ask for a police presence if they feel it might be necessary. They knocked on the door. The home owner declined to open the safe. He wasn't forced to open it. They left.

No raid. No arrest. No gun confiscation.

Edit to add: But let's not lose sight of the fact that FOX is misrepresenting the facts of what happened in the middle of a debate over gun laws. It was, I believe, purposely meant to ratchet up fear among people who already have unduly irrational fears about widespread gun confiscation. That's not even remotely responsible journalism.

What the **** makes you think they are supposed to raid people's houses in the middle of the night?

 

[tinydancer]

I take that as a tacit admission that FOX misrepresented the facts.

It's more than Fox.

Why not discuss the topic? You're at your friends place and at 9pm you get a text message that the police and state workers are at your house from your wife?

Hello? That's the topic. Not "raid" nor freaking Fox News. All this shit goes down because of a Facebook picture?

The clash between gun rights and child welfare began Friday at around 9 p.m., when Moore was at a friend’s house, where he received a text message from his wife telling him police and state workers were at his home.

He called his lawyer and rushed home. The lawyer, Evan Nappen, told the News the “heavy handed” encounter violated the first, second and fourth amendments because Moore was simply exercising his free speech rights online, and his gun and privacy rights in his home.

“My client is just a blue collar, hardworking union man who wants to enjoy hunting and the outdoors with his son,” Nappen said Wednesday.

The lawyer pointed out that the controversial photo shows Josh with his finger off the trigger — a sign that he understand firearms safety.

Facebook photo of 10-year-old with a rifle sends New*Jersey child welfare authorities to father?s home* - NY Daily News

Didn't the article say that he believed someone called child welfare? What are they supposed to do? Ignore the call? Someone from child welfare showed up with police (because they can ask for a police presence if they feel it might be necessary. They knocked on the door. The home owner declined to open the safe. He wasn't forced to open it. They left.

No raid. No arrest. No gun confiscation.

Edit to add: But let's not lose sight of the fact that FOX is misrepresenting the facts of what happened in the middle of a debate over gun laws. It was, I believe, purposely meant to ratchet up fear among people who already have unduly irrational fears about widespread gun confiscation. That's not even remotely responsible journalism.

Ok. I get you. You have a hard on for FOX.

Moving along to New York Daily News quoting from the gentleman's posting on the Delaware Open Carry forum we have this information.

Not Fox's. Right from the Dad's post.

Moore, 31, said the confrontation stemmed from an anonymous tipster who saw the photo and phoned a New Jersey Department of Youth and Family Services hotline to report the image of the boy holding the gun.

“They had no warrant, no charges, nothing,” the Penns Grove, N.J. tradesman wrote Sunday on the Delaware Open Carry online forum.

Cops demanded the open his gun safe, but he refused.

“I was told I was being unreasonable and that I was acting suspicious because I wouldn’t open my safe,” Moore said in the web posting. “Told me they were gonna get a search warrant. Told ’em go ahead.”

Moore titled his post to the internet forum, “I stood my ground.”

“They never even saw the picture,” Moore added. “It was all hear say (sic). Just a phone call saying someone saw a pic of a child holding a gun.”

Facebook photo of 10-year-old with a rifle sends New*Jersey child welfare authorities to father?s home* - NY Daily News

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

It's more than Fox.

Why not discuss the topic? You're at your friends place and at 9pm you get a text message that the police and state workers are at your house from your wife?

Hello? That's the topic. Not "raid" nor freaking Fox News. All this shit goes down because of a Facebook picture?

The clash between gun rights and child welfare began Friday at around 9 p.m., when Moore was at a friend’s house, where he received a text message from his wife telling him police and state workers were at his home.

He called his lawyer and rushed home. The lawyer, Evan Nappen, told the News the “heavy handed” encounter violated the first, second and fourth amendments because Moore was simply exercising his free speech rights online, and his gun and privacy rights in his home.

“My client is just a blue collar, hardworking union man who wants to enjoy hunting and the outdoors with his son,” Nappen said Wednesday.

The lawyer pointed out that the controversial photo shows Josh with his finger off the trigger — a sign that he understand firearms safety.

Facebook photo of 10-year-old with a rifle sends New*Jersey child welfare authorities to father?s home* - NY Daily News

Didn't the article say that he believed someone called child welfare? What are they supposed to do? Ignore the call? Someone from child welfare showed up with police (because they can ask for a police presence if they feel it might be necessary. They knocked on the door. The home owner declined to open the safe. He wasn't forced to open it. They left.

No raid. No arrest. No gun confiscation.

Edit to add: But let's not lose sight of the fact that FOX is misrepresenting the facts of what happened in the middle of a debate over gun laws. It was, I believe, purposely meant to ratchet up fear among people who already have unduly irrational fears about widespread gun confiscation. That's not even remotely responsible journalism.

What the **** makes you think they are supposed to raid people's houses in the middle of the night?

Furthermore why do these ******* pussies on the left keep bringing up Fox News?????

They weren't the first to report it and they weren't even in the god damn op.

Classless clueless ******* morons.

 

[Mustang]

I just read the story. The home was NOT raided.

I should have figured that was the case, considering who started the thread.

Sean Moore Says NJ Child Welfare Agency Overreacted To Facebook Photo Of Son Josh Holding Rifle

They showed up in force, it was a raid.

A raid is when the police force their way in without even asking for your consent. Knocking down the door (without knocking, for course) and/or breaking the lock while forcing the door in the middle of the night is the usual method.

Did any of that happen? ANY of it?

 

[bodecea]

They threatened to come back with a warrant, that is hardly what I would call leaving when they were refused permission to enter.

Did they come back with one?

You aren't getting the point, are you? They showed up in force, made threats, and had to be told by a lawyer that they had no right to be there. They should have known that before they showed up, and actually done something useful.

And the ONLY one who says that is the home owner. Pardon me if I was just a smidgen of confirmation. TIA