Circumcision ruling condemned by Germany's Muslim and Jewish leaders

[Unkotare]

There is no reliable evidence that circumcision has ANY medical benefits.

Many links to reliable sources have been provided on this thread. Don't pretend you are unaware of them. That kind of dishonesty suggests you are not really comfortable in your position.

Obviously you only read the arguments that support your view.

What makes you say that?

 

[Ariux]

Shithead libtards:

Circumcision: bad
dicing a baby in the womb: good

 

[Vidi]

Shithead libtards:

Circumcision: bad
dicing a baby in the womb: good

Dumbass.

I support neither.

 

[Vidi]

I just gave you one great realtime realistic example, but you choose to ignore it.. WHY?

Oh and by the way my grandson is doing just fine with his circumsision, and is on the way to a healthy life with all the benefits in which that gave him for his future.. Why take the chance when this has been proven a medical benefit down the road for boys and men in their lives ?

The reason it is proably trying to be stopped in the country mentioned, is because it is a socialist country right? So yes "money" is a major factor for the government there when it comes to healthcare, because it pays for it's citizens healthcare right? So is this just an example of socailized medicine, where as rationing care is a big thing in such countries, so if it starts getting into the pockets of government (or) government is going through a bad ressesion there, does it begin looking for places to cut (healthcare being one major target looked at) ? So it's not about profits in a country like this, but more about savings for the government in a socialist country like this...

Anecdotal evidence is not evidence. It doesnt adhere to the scientific method.

For example, why did your friend have problems with his junk? Did he get it caught in his zipper? Did he fail to properly wash himself? Was it another unrelated skin condition? Did he have sex with a woman ( or a man for that matter ) without proper lubrication? Was he especially rough during masturbation?

These are all causes of penile bleeding and can occur regardless of if someone is circumsized or not.


All you said was it started bleeding...but you did not say WHY?

As to your grandson, Im sorry to say again," There is NO reliable evidence that circumcision provides any medical benefits at all." However, there is credible evidence that it does provide negative effects later on in life.

Examine the evidence for yourself. Notice that ALL evidence pointing to benefits falls well within the accepted margins of error, which in normal science says there is no evidence at all. Yet, evidence of negative effects fall outside the accepted margins for error.


lastly, dont politicized the mutilation of infants!

Listen to this child scream. Listen at 1:20 when the distress turns to the silent cant get enough breath wail of pain. Tied down and mutilated. Do you hear the childs gurgling panic? Listen to the gurgling cough at 1:49 as the actual cutting begins. The doctor left the clamp on to help ease the pain, released the boys arms so he'd feel "less" of the cutting. Now listen at 2;0 when the doctor is trying to clean up the wound a bit in prep for more cutting. Hear that childs high pitch wail in pain? Do you hear it?

And at 2:45, the ******* doctor has the GALL to say the BABY got himself upset, while hes hacking a piece of the child away from his body!!! hes got HIMSELF upset!

By 3:30 the child is choking. You hear it? Hes been crying so long, been short of breath for so long, he has entered an state of shock.

At 4:02, you can hear the stuttering exhausted cry. Thats a fairly normal response once someone has entered a state of shock. Hear the childs response at 4:20? The faded breathing the panting? Thats relief...when the child thinks its over...but guess what? The doctor now removes his "device" and the blood comes rushing back into the penis and the pain starts all over again. As evidenced by the return to the screaming at 4:50.

And congrats! You've successfully mutilated an infant. That'll be $500 dollars.

Routine Infant Circumcision

For what?

NO PROVABLE MEDICAL BENEFIT AT ALL.

Listen to that child wail in pain and tell me again how this is about some ******* socialized medicine and not about stopping the mutilation of children.

If a person can watch that video and hear that childs screams and still say this is about politics then in my opinion that person has no soul.


NO MEDICAL BENEFIT.

Its done for "religious reasons" left over from a time when we didn't have proper SOAP.

So and I mean this...for bringing socialism into this to ease your conscience for not protecting your grandson from being mutilated so the hospital could charge your child for the privilege to sell off your grandchilds foreskin to a cosmetics company, your ignorance is pathetic.

Sounds like it could have been a bad doctor or procedure done in this case, so what, you will base all procedures done as bad now, because of this single thread of evidence your using in opposition to ? As a liberal trying to make a point I bet you are trying to use what is your single entry here as the reasoning to halt all procedures around the world now, in which you think is bad in your own opinion of, and this all due to what maybe one event you use here? This is an event in which is not based upon a long drawn out study that would of course send the red flags to flying if such a study was done, so what is your reasoning or better proof for such a blown up opinion ? You know, I can't seem to remember my circumsision, and this no matter how hard I try to, and guess what I am not mental or scarred or looked upon as a freak by my wife because of my circumsision, infact I wear it proud actually... Oh and I didn't need to get into what caused the man's junk to begin giving him problems, only that it did was enough for me, and now he is circumsized according to him when came back to work, and his doctor said it would have been best for that to have taken place when he was born. I know you have your hands over your ears now, because you have taken this issue up and decided upon it in your mind, so no matter what is said, your mind is made up right?

My wife and I became VERY well informed on this subject. We studied the so called benefits, the drawbacks. We consulted doctors, who fell on both sides of the argument.

What became the deciding factor for me was the fact that the foreskin contains nerve endings, that it acts to protect the head and allows it to keep is sensitivity, it also allows for more friction during intercourse , meaning the male doesn't have to thrust as deep and hard in order to find pleasure.

The foreskin contains the five areas MOST sensitive to light touch...and we are cutting it off.

Swap the genders. Say we were talking about cutting off a female infants clitoris. It's barbaric when we do it to females, but acceptable when we do it o males?

 

[Unkotare]

Equating male and female circumcision is absurd.

 

[sfcalifornia]

Yeah, I can see how this would upset those for whom circumcision is a religious obligation.

I can also understand why some of us think that mutilation of a baby boy's penis makes about as much sense (read none) as mutilation of a baby girls cliterus.

Not much room for compromise in this clash of cultural values.

Luckily there is a movement within the religions which have advocated circumcision over the years to re-evaluate their position on the subject:

We are a group of educated and enlightened Jews who realize that the barbaric, primitive, torturous, and mutilating practice of circumcision has no place in modern Judaism.
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“Jewish law is constantly evolving. Our practices change as we learn,” writes Moss. “If we discover that a previously accepted Jewish tradition is dangerous—or if we simply learn that there’s a more compassionate way to act, one that is more consistent with Jewish principles than the previous interpretation—it's incumbent on us to modify or discontinue the tradition,” she says.
Beyond the Bris: Questioning Jewish Circumcision

Jews Speak Out in Favor of Banning Circumcision on Minors | IntactNews

Ideally, opposition to Islamic circumcison must begin within Islam itself.
Islam and circumcision

QuranicPath | Circumcision - Does the Quran Approve it? - Genital Mutilation | ???? | Khitan | Islam | Sunnah | Hadith | Khatna | Musolmani | Sunat | Sirkumsisi | Khatan | Tuli | Tule | Pagtutuli | Sunatan | Sünnet | Urkwtha | Tahara | Touhur | ?????

In our opinion, a God who demands that his believers be mutilated and branded on their genitals the same as cattle, is a God of questionable ethics. It could be legitimate to perform either male or female circumcision, as any other surgery, for specific, extremely rare, medical reasons on specific individuals. But to arbitrarily mutilate children, boys or girls, under the pretext that it is for their own good, shows an influence of cynicism and fanaticism.
To Mutilate in the Name of Jehovah or Allah

 

[Againsheila]

I wish I had my youngest circumcised. He's had problems, he's low functioning autism and doesn't understand a lot, it's difficult to get him to clean it properly. I sometimes think if he'd been circumcised he wouldn't now be having problems with dribbling and such. Religion is not the only reason for circumcision. Some men have had to have it later in life due to problems and they wished it'd been done when they were babies.

 

[Vidi]

Equating male and female circumcision is absurd.

You obvious don't know anything about the foreskin then. Why dont you go study up on it. Find out how many nerve endings we are chopping off and how desensitized the head becomes once the foreskin is gone, then get back to us.

 

[konradv]

I wish I had my youngest circumcised. He's had problems, he's low functioning autism and doesn't understand a lot, it's difficult to get him to clean it properly. I sometimes think if he'd been circumcised he wouldn't now be having problems with dribbling and such. Religion is not the only reason for circumcision. Some men have had to have it later in life due to problems and they wished it'd been done when they were babies.

Some people get appendicitis. If we just had them all removed at birth, it wouldn't be an issue.

 

[Unkotare]

Equating male and female circumcision is absurd.

You obvious[sic] don't know anything about the foreskin then.

YOU obviously don't know what female circumcision is and why it is practiced.

 

[ekrem]

Jews do it usually 8 days after birth, and the procedure is done by a religious guy.

Muslims do it up to age 12 and procedure is performed in Hospitals by doctors.
Enough time for Muslim families to travel to a country where the procedure can be done.

Despite the Court ruling the situation in Germany is not definite regarding circumsisiion.

 

[Ariux]

Jews do it usually 8 days after birth, and the procedure is done by a [cock sucker Jew] guy.

Muslims do it up to age 12 and procedure is performed in Hospitals by doctors.
Enough time for Muslim families to travel to a country where the procedure can be done.

Despite the Court ruling the situation in Germany is not definite regarding circumsisiion.

Circumcision is also popular among Christians.

 

[Jos]

You obvious don't know anything about the foreskin then. Why dont you go study up on it. Find out how many nerve endings we are chopping off and how desensitized the head becomes once the foreskin is gone, then get back to us.

I caught my foreskin in my zipper once, that told me all I need to know about how many nerve endings are in the foreskin

 

[Political Junky]

Jews do it usually 8 days after birth, and the procedure is done by a [cock sucker Jew] guy.

Muslims do it up to age 12 and procedure is performed in Hospitals by doctors.
Enough time for Muslim families to travel to a country where the procedure can be done.

Despite the Court ruling the situation in Germany is not definite regarding circumsisiion.

Circumcision is also popular among Christians.

Only in the US.

 

[Vidi]

You obvious don't know anything about the foreskin then. Why dont you go study up on it. Find out how many nerve endings we are chopping off and how desensitized the head becomes once the foreskin is gone, then get back to us.

I caught my foreskin in my zipper once, that told me all I need to know about how many nerve endings are in the foreskin

Sorry but I had to laugh at that...and grimace.

 

[Vidi]

Equating male and female circumcision is absurd.

You obvious[sic] don't know anything about the foreskin then.

YOU obviously don't know what female circumcision is and why it is practiced.

Thats right, divert from your own ignorance and defend the mutilation of children. Nice set of values youve got there, champ.

 

[Unkotare]

You obvious[sic] don't know anything about the foreskin then.

YOU obviously don't know what female circumcision is and why it is practiced.

Thats right, divert from your own ignorance and defend the mutilation of children. Nice set of values youve got there, champ.

Speaking of 'diversion'..........

 

[beagle9]

I wish I had my youngest circumcised. He's had problems, he's low functioning autism and doesn't understand a lot, it's difficult to get him to clean it properly. I sometimes think if he'd been circumcised he wouldn't now be having problems with dribbling and such. Religion is not the only reason for circumcision. Some men have had to have it later in life due to problems and they wished it'd been done when they were babies.

Some people get appendicitis. If we just had them all removed at birth, it wouldn't be an issue.

Liberal reasoning at it's best right here folks, now step right up folks and watch the free show, because these kind of people cannot be reasoned with at all, especially once they purchase land with an ocean view in Arizona, in which has been sold to them by whom they thought were their friends or allies in life.. B )

 

[beagle9]

You obvious don't know anything about the foreskin then. Why dont you go study up on it. Find out how many nerve endings we are chopping off and how desensitized the head becomes once the foreskin is gone, then get back to us.

I caught my foreskin in my zipper once, that told me all I need to know about how many nerve endings are in the foreskin

Sorry but I had to laugh at that...and grimace.

Not sure, but if he'd had been circumsized, he proably could have gotten his junk free quicker, and with way less pain involved, but can you imagine what a mangled up mess that might have been, by getting an uncircumsized junk caught in a zipper?? Infact that is proably the very reason it got caught in the zipper in the first place (if were uncircumsized).....OUCH!.... LOL

 

[Jos]

I caught my foreskin in my zipper once, that told me all I need to know about how many nerve endings are in the foreskin

Sorry but I had to laugh at that...and grimace.

Not sure, but if he'd had been circumsized, he proably could have gotten his junk free quicker, and with way less pain involved, but can you imagine what a mangled up mess that might have been, by getting an uncircumsized junk caught in a zipper?? Infact that is proably the very reason it got caught in his zipper in the first place.... LOL

Right now, In Somalia and Egypt circumcised women are posting the benefits of circumcision for girls. as in America circumcised guys extol it's joys