CIA Concludes Russia Interfered In Election To Help Trump Win

[Andylusion]

Why are people upset that there might have been a few illegal immigrants involved in the vote...but have no problem when a foreign power does so?

Show a foriegn power that voted?

It doesn't matter if it's true or not...that's not the point...there are people on this forum and elsewhere saying that it would be a good thing if they did it.
Imagine that!

I guess I have not seen anything like that.

Sure there's a few quacks that like to say something intentionally absurd that they don't really believe. But I don't see any strong case that there is a wide group of people that are in favor of foreign powers rigging our voting system.

The only thing we have here today, is Russia possibly hacked into Clinton's email server, and leaked the emails.

That's the best information I have thus far.

Well if anything, that's only proof Clinton is.... as anyone that's followed the Clinton's for decades knows.... a massive security risk.

If anything Russia did us a favor by pointing out what a danger she is to national security, before getting the White House.

Remember, none of this would have happened, if she hadn't been hiding federal government conversations on a private unsecured email server in her private residence, that was completely unprotected. The FBI said, her serve was far less secure than that of Gmail.

I'm sorry, but when you have Federal Government conversations on an Email serve, less secure than what a 10-year-old can setup on Google....... that's no longer a "Russia Influence" problem. That's a politician incompetence problem.

Quite frankly, that's the only lesson that needs learned from this ordeal.

BTW......... I don't even think that it was Russian intention to mess with the election.

This is my personal theory, but I bet I'm right. Russia has a massively long history of spending a time and effort on influence things that directly effect them.

I've tried to figure out what they really hoped to gain from this influence, and the answer is not much. If you think Trump is going get into office, and say "Ok you can have Ukraine now, and we're disbanding NATO" You are crazy.

No one who isn't a partisan mindless hack, could possibly buy that. So what do you think Russia stands to gain from this?

Nothing that I can find.

I bet you the real reason for Russia hacking Clinton's Email server, is far simpler and easier to get.

What is the one key thing Russia has been focused on, for the last three years? Ukraine.

And what has been the consistent claim put out by Russia for 3 years, about the Ukraine government?

They claim we overthrew the Ukraine government.

If anyone would know about any plots to overthrow the Ukraine government, outside the CIA.... it would be the State Department, headed by Hillary Clinton.

If I were a betting man, I would put one paycheck down, that the real singular reason the Russians either hacked, or attempted to hack Clinton's Email, had nothing to do with an election they couldn't care less about.... they wanted proof we plotted to overthrow the Ukraine government. So they could drum up support for the seperatists in Eastern Ukraine, and curtail further US intervention in "their back yard" as it were.

I highly doubt Putin really gave a crap about Clinton or Trump. I wager Clinton could be easily manipulated anyway. Remember 1998? Bill Clinton was convinced we needed to intervene for national security in Iraq.... but was scared off by some protestors at a open meeting. Clinton's are easily manipulated.

Trump may actually more difficult to handle. But if he could prove we overthrew the Ukraine government, world opinion would swing against us. Putin would have a much easier time stomping around Ukraine.

 

[Andylusion]

The CIA has been known to be associated with assassinations. Trump will tread lightly.

Really? When was that? If you say "before Watergate" (i.e. over 45 years ago), then we can agree they did some nasty things in the 1950s and 1960s. If you think the CIA killed JFK, then you're a nutjob with a tenuous grip on reality.

By your logic, we should dislike the British because those fuckers burned down the White House.

It has never stopped.

Awesome. Now prove it....or are you one of those conspiracy theory types?

In other words, you want me to read history for you.

No, we know history. I am well aware that the CIA was out of control in the 60s. No question about it.

But you claimed it was still going on today. I don't need your history. But yes you do need to prove "still going on today".

 

[Divine Wind]

Let's see now ..... the American CIA have already hacked everyone and his uncle, a hundred times over. The American NSA have every computer and mobile telephone bugged. So .... what was it everybody is accusing the Russians of doing? I forgot.

Why don't you wipe that stuff off your chin, look up and ask Putin?

 

[Divine Wind]

In other words, you want me to read history for you.

Sure. Start with 1980 and bring me up to date regarding your accusation that the CIA assassinates leaders like Trump.

Evidence would be appreciated.

 

[NoNukes]

In other words, you want me to read history for you.

Sure. Start with 1980 and bring me up to date regarding your accusation that the CIA assassinates leaders like Trump.

Evidence would be appreciated.

Iran/Contra

 

[Divine Wind]

In other words, you want me to read history for you.

Sure. Start with 1980 and bring me up to date regarding your accusation that the CIA assassinates leaders like Trump.

Evidence would be appreciated.

Iran/Contra

Training and supplying anti-Marxist guerrillas is not proof the CIA was running around assassinating foreign and domestic leaders as you claimed. Try again.

 

[NoNukes]

In other words, you want me to read history for you.

Sure. Start with 1980 and bring me up to date regarding your accusation that the CIA assassinates leaders like Trump.

Evidence would be appreciated.

Iran/Contra

Training and supplying anti-Marxist guerrillas is not proof the CIA was running around assassinating foreign and domestic leaders as you claimed. Try again.

They were involved in very shady dealing nonetheless.

 

[NoNukes]

In other words, you want me to read history for you.

Sure. Start with 1980 and bring me up to date regarding your accusation that the CIA assassinates leaders like Trump.

Evidence would be appreciated.

Iran/Contra

Training and supplying anti-Marxist guerrillas is not proof the CIA was running around assassinating foreign and domestic leaders as you claimed. Try again.

And selling cocaine to get money for weapons.

 

[Divine Wind]

In other words, you want me to read history for you.

Sure. Start with 1980 and bring me up to date regarding your accusation that the CIA assassinates leaders like Trump.

Evidence would be appreciated.

Iran/Contra

Training and supplying anti-Marxist guerrillas is not proof the CIA was running around assassinating foreign and domestic leaders as you claimed. Try again.

And selling cocaine to get money for weapons.

Disputable. How many times do I have to keep asking you to prove your statement before you admit you were lying?

The CIA has been known to be associated with assassinations. Trump will tread lightly.

Prove it.

 

[NoNukes]

In other words, you want me to read history for you.

Sure. Start with 1980 and bring me up to date regarding your accusation that the CIA assassinates leaders like Trump.

Evidence would be appreciated.

Iran/Contra

Training and supplying anti-Marxist guerrillas is not proof the CIA was running around assassinating foreign and domestic leaders as you claimed. Try again.

And selling cocaine to get money for weapons.

Disputable. How many times do I have to keep asking you to prove your statement before you admit you were lying?

The CIA has been known to be associated with assassinations. Trump will tread lightly.

Prove it.

Do your own reading.

 

[Divine Wind]

The CIA has been known to be associated with assassinations. Trump will tread lightly.

Prove it.

Do your own reading.

Translation: I got no evidence backing up my claims. I just make shit up.

Okay, thanks.

 

[easyt65]

Barry used the federal government to spy on citizens, reporters, and even Congress.

Barry used the IRS to target citizens he called his 'political enemies'.

On order from the Obama administration the CIA illegally helped an International Arms Dealer provide guns to Al Qaeida - the terrorist group that murdered 3,000 Americans - and ISIS - terrorists who have murdered hundreds of thousands in Benghazi.

Hillary and Barry tried to FRAME a video maker for 'instigating the Benghazi attack'.

On order from the Obama administration FBI agents flew to Iceland to FRAME Julian Assange.
(FBI sent planeload of agents to frame Assange in Iceland, got snubbed by minister)


Barry seems to like MIS-USING the powers of the Federal Government while lying his ass off. He has made a great long-term case for not believing anything he says.

 

[easyt65]

Translation: I got no evidence backing up my claims. I just make shit up.

I love that amateur 'tactic'. It's an 'oldie but a goody'.

 

[the_human_being]

Trump's daughter is one of his children who is running the Trump business. She has every right to enter into business dealings with the Japanese should she choose to do so. She is not employed by the federal government in any position at all.

She's running it already Didn't know that but you obviously don't know you're sitting at the same table with a den of thieves

Actually, I'm not sitting at a table right now. If what you claim is true, then you should easily be able to back up what you are saying by providing a link or article listing what this den of thieves have stolen and from whom they stole it. Have they been apprehended and brought into a court of law?

Chump and his lawyers have spent a dogs life in court Cheating whomever he can 75 open suits against him now and more sure to follow as he tries to use the presidency to get richer

Yes, I find it astounding that he has given up his Saudi business interests and has chosen to only take $1.00 a year in salary. Did Obama work for $1.00 a year? Did Hillary offer to work for $1.00 a year or to completely shut down the Clinton Crime Family Foundation? What Democrat has ever offered to sacrifice anything to serve this country?

What Democrat has ever offered to sacrifice anything to serve this country?
you dare ask a question like that?? you arrogant pos dems died for this country in every war you republicans gave

As have Republican leaning military personnel. Of course, anyone with a lick of common sense would realize I was speaking of Democrat politicians. Playing dodge ball?

 

[cnelsen]

The CIA has been known to be associated with assassinations. Trump will tread lightly.

Really? When was that? If you say "before Watergate" (i.e. over 45 years ago), then we can agree they did some nasty things in the 1950s and 1960s. If you think the CIA killed JFK, then you're a nutjob with a tenuous grip on reality.

By your logic, we should dislike the British because those fuckers burned down the White House.

It has never stopped.

Awesome. Now prove it....or are you one of those conspiracy theory types?

In other words, you want me to read history for you.

No, we know history. I am well aware that the CIA was out of control in the 60s. No question about it.

But you claimed it was still going on today. I don't need your history. But yes you do need to prove "still going on today".

2002. Wasn't it through the CIA the bogus intel on WMD reached Cheney's office? So, for starters, Saddam Hussein.

 

[Auld Phart]

Might I suggest that most of you are missing the point ---

I have no doubt that the Russians "supported" hacking the DNC emails, and released information harmful to Hillary.

However, the point I think that is being missed is ------ every thing in those hacked emails was TRUE.

Complaining about the Russians doing it - and all nations do it -- is simply a subterfuge to try to deflect attention from the contents of the emails.

If I were you, I would worry more about what our own leaders were doing, than what the Russians were doing.

Don't get distracted by the shiny ball.

How do you know? Information in Wikileaks was changed and we know that Russia was behind it.

Information in Wikileaks was changed

and may change again tomorrow.

It is WikiLeaks after all

 

[Auld Phart]

Let’s be completely honest, America: we’ve just been handed an election result that was hand-picked, paid for, gift-wrapped, and delivered by our committed comrades from across the sea.

And while the recipient of that noxious gift-giving, Donald Trump, sniffs that we should reject the bombshell findings released this weekend and just allow him to get on with the task of “making America great again” (colluding with foreign dictators apparently part of his protocol), the rest of us are left wondering just how much more it will take for the powers-that-be in this country to declare Election 2016 to be null and void. Fraudulent. Manipulated. Corrupt. Unacceptable.

It’s one thing to shake our heads and parse the fact that Hillary Clinton beat Donald Trump by as many votes as President Obama won in 2012 but is still considered “the loser” (which should make abolishing or amending Electoral College rules a priority).

It’s one thing to review the unprecedented and outrageous move of FBI Director James Comey to, right before the election, make ultimately pointless claims of more email trouble for Clinton (how has he not been sanctioned for that?), and feel outrage that this shattered her then-12-point lead and likely aided Trump’s win.

It’s one thing to consider the daily, weekly, monthly drip-drip-drip distraction (and fodder for haters and conspiracists) from Wikileaks and their sleazy founder Julian Assange (still in hiding from law enforcement over sexual assault allegations), and question why they only targeted Democrats and how much their biased hackery impacted the election.

It’s one thing to consider the possibility that Russian actors were behind that hackery and likely had a hand in manipulating what got released and when, and ponder the heinous thought that our election itself might have been hacked at the behest of foreign interests and preferences.

It’s one thing to grasp how much fake news — much of it directed by Russia — with its bilious lies directed particularly at Hillary Clinton — misguided and misinformed the electorate, and feel churned by the fact of America’s gullibility.

BUT IT’S A WHOLE OTHER THING to read the bombshell reports that have come out this weekend:

Now the intelligence community has concluded that Russia was clearly after a Trump victory and manipulated information to that end, according to sources who spoke to the newspaper.

“It is the assessment of the intelligence community that Russia’s goal here was to favor one candidate over the other, to help Trump get elected,” a senior U.S. official briefed on the CIA assessment told The Washington Post. “That’s the consensus view.”

Every single thing about that should stir waves of anger and revulsion, brandish red flags so voluminous they’re canopies; ring alarm bells far, wide, and loudly across the entire United States of America. In all our myriad doomsday imaginings, in all the conspiracy theories and Cold War drills, fears of invasion and terrors related to “The Russians are Coming,” what is patently clear at this moment is that the Russians came and they chose our next president.

More: The Russians Came And They Chose Our Next President

This should anger everyone regardless of their political persuasion. The founding fathers would be outraged. This is un-American! This must be thoroughly investigated and somehow rectified.

A coup the old Soviet leaders could have only dreamed of

I agree - and it was a coup in more ways than one! Trump is friends with Putin. Trump is married to a foreigner who was raised in a communist household whose father is/was a communist official. Trump is reportedly planning to name Exxon Mobil CEO Rex Tillerson, who has close business ties with Putin, to the position of Secretary of State. This is a master coup!

 

[GLASNOST]

Training and supplying anti-Marxist guerrillas is not proof the CIA was running around assassinating foreign and domestic leaders as you claimed. Try again.

The US CIA supported - assassinated and/or attempted assassination:

* Pinochet was "in cahoots" with the CIA. 3 thousand executed, 2 thousand still missing.
* The death squads of Irak was a CIA operation. 8 thousand executed ...... so far.
* The Shah of Iran was a CIA puppet. 8 thousand executed.
* The CIA murdered Olaf Palme, the PM of Sweden.
* Osama bin Laden
* Gulbuddin Hekmatyar
* The CIA attempted to assassinate Mohamed Farah Aideed
* The CIA attempted to assassinate Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah
* The CIA assassinated nine commandfers of the Sandinista National Directorate
* Miguel d'Escoto
* Gen. Ahmed Dlimi
* The CIA assassinated Muammar Qaddafi
* Michael Manley
* Mobutu Sese Seko
* Manuel Noriega
* Omar Torrijos
* The CIA attempted many assassination of Fidel Castro.

There is a list of about 20 more CIA assassinations or attempted assassinations.

 

[GLASNOST]

2002. Wasn't it through the CIA the bogus intel on WMD reached Cheney's office? So, for starters, Saddam Hussein.

Just for starters, yes.

 

[jc456]

So, if this is true, why wasn't trump given the information? It's obvious to me the news media got it but not trump?