Church urgers people to vote out Obama

[theliq]

El Paso Catholic church bulletin urges Obama defeat - El Paso Times

Meh, I'm not a fan, I hate when the pastor gets political. I feel like politics shouldnt be encouraged by your boss, or your priest.

The church should stay out of political matters. It shouldn't be telling its members who to vote for.

Why?

This does not make any sense. I see no reason that a church should not be active in their people’s political views nor do I see any reason for the people to follow what their pastor has to say on the subject.

Wrong

 

[FA_Q2]

The church should stay out of political matters. It shouldn't be telling its members who to vote for.

Why?

This does not make any sense. I see no reason that a church should not be active in their people’s political views nor do I see any reason for the people to follow what their pastor has to say on the subject.

Wrong

Because you said so. Wow, with logic so iron clad, how can anyone challenge it….

 

[theliq]

Why?

This does not make any sense. I see no reason that a church should not be active in their people’s political views nor do I see any reason for the people to follow what their pastor has to say on the subject.

Wrong

Because you said so. Wow, with logic so iron clad, how can anyone challenge it….

Sorry FA,like you it's just my opinion,I just feel that what has a Pastors personal opinion to do with individuals personal thought..........anyway what is his reasoning or predudice regarding him,"advising" his flock.

This pastor has not been democratially elected by the whole nation,has he........in fact I would suggest Catholics make up no more than 20% of the American population.steve

 

[FA_Q2]

Wrong

Because you said so. Wow, with logic so iron clad, how can anyone challenge it….

Sorry FA,like you it's just my opinion,I just feel that what has a Pastors personal opinion to do with individuals personal thought..........anyway what is his reasoning or predudice regarding him,"advising" his flock.

This pastor has not been democratially elected by the whole nation,has he........in fact I would suggest Catholics make up no more than 10% of the American population.steve

See, now that’s better is it not. A solid reason behind the ‘you’re wrong,’ not just the flat statement

Now, here is my reasoning:
I think I view church a little different than most people maybe because of my involvement in a few very small and denomination free churches when I was young but I see a church as a gathering of people for a commonality. In this case, that common purpose is faith but I don’t see the difference between this and a basic club (like chess, sports or books) Church itself tends to be more serious only because faith is such a central part of what people are but it is still the same basic concept. The community accepts the leader of the group and if the community does not want politics in the discussion then they will dictate it not be there. If they feel that it should be approached, then it will be.

In other words, it is the people that form the church that give the pastor the clear to discuss politics and I have no problem with that. In the same manner, the people will determine if they do not want the pastor going there. If they are in disagreement with the pastor they are capable of going somewhere else or replacing the pastor entirely. The situation becomes slightly more complex when you are engaging larger churches but the individual principals remain the same.

I find the notion that pastors be apolitical as strange as requiring the lead at a privet club be apolitical. Let the people decide who and what they want to experience within their local groups.

 

[theliq]

Because you said so. Wow, with logic so iron clad, how can anyone challenge it….

Sorry FA,like you it's just my opinion,I just feel that what has a Pastors personal opinion to do with individuals personal thought..........anyway what is his reasoning or predudice regarding him,"advising" his flock.

This pastor has not been democratially elected by the whole nation,has he........in fact I would suggest Catholics make up no more than 10% of the American population.steve

See, now that’s better is it not. A solid reason behind the ‘you’re wrong,’ not just the flat statement

Now, here is my reasoning:
I think I view church a little different than most people maybe because of my involvement in a few very small and denomination free churches when I was young but I see a church as a gathering of people for a commonality. In this case, that common purpose is faith but I don’t see the difference between this and a basic club (like chess, sports or books) Church itself tends to be more serious only because faith is such a central part of what people are but it is still the same basic concept. The community accepts the leader of the group and if the community does not want politics in the discussion then they will dictate it not be there. If they feel that it should be approached, then it will be.

In other words, it is the people that form the church that give the pastor the clear to discuss politics and I have no problem with that. In the same manner, the people will determine if they do not want the pastor going there. If they are in disagreement with the pastor they are capable of going somewhere else or replacing the pastor entirely. The situation becomes slightly more complex when you are engaging larger churches but the individual principals remain the same.

I find the notion that pastors be apolitical as strange as requiring the lead at a privet club be apolitical. Let the people decide who and what they want to experience within their local groups.

Thanks,yep I understand where you are at.............but cannot agree.steve

 

[Two Thumbs]

I think you should read more in the thread before you say that. Let's hear what the OP says about the church obama attended and was a member for 20 years.

That's why it's funny.

She doesn't care that obama wants god to damn America, but let any priest advise people on who to vote for and it's shut them down time.

 

[nitroz]

Time to revoke their tax exemption! They crossed the line by breaking the law that defines the rules for their exemption, so now they better cough up for getting involved in politics.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Time to revoke their tax exemption! They crossed the line by breaking the law that defines the rules for their exemption, so now they better cough up for getting involved in politics.

That could exempt all charities. Since pols use many of them.

 

[nitroz]

Time to revoke their tax exemption! They crossed the line by breaking the law that defines the rules for their exemption, so now they better cough up for getting involved in politics.

That could exempt all charities. Since pols use many of them.

Well, just take the exemption away from those who do break the rule.
Indiscriminate justice is good.

 

[Liberal]

I thought Catholics were "evil"?

 

[ba1614]

It does seem like it would be a common thing, however it looks like the church is in some trouble, and may have violated the law.

Churches are only allowed to encourage people to vote for obama, anything else will not be tolerated.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Time to revoke their tax exemption! They crossed the line by breaking the law that defines the rules for their exemption, so now they better cough up for getting involved in politics.

That could exempt all charities. Since pols use many of them.

Well, just take the exemption away from those who do break the rule.
Indiscriminate justice is good.

What law are rule are you talking about?

Were you this upset when Rev Wright openly stumped for Obama?

 

[nitroz]

That could exempt all charities. Since pols use many of them.

Well, just take the exemption away from those who do break the rule.
Indiscriminate justice is good.

What law are rule are you talking about?

Were you this upset when Rev Wright openly stumped for Obama?

I don't think I was even aware of that. I am 19, you know. :/

 

[Sallow]

El Paso Catholic church bulletin urges Obama defeat - El Paso Times

Meh, I'm not a fan, I hate when the pastor gets political. I feel like politics shouldnt be encouraged by your boss, or your priest.

If they are going to start advocating for candidates..they should lose their tax exempt status.

Simple as that.

 

[Seawytch]

I don't care whose church does it...they should ALL lose their tax exempt status.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Well, just take the exemption away from those who do break the rule.
Indiscriminate justice is good.

What law are rule are you talking about?

Were you this upset when Rev Wright openly stumped for Obama?

I don't think I was even aware of that. I am 19, you know. :/

Ok, now you know he was highly involved.

Are you upset?

and

What rule or law are you talking about?

 

[Two Thumbs]

I don't care whose church does it...they should ALL lose their tax exempt status.

Why?

 

[Two Thumbs]

El Paso Catholic church bulletin urges Obama defeat - El Paso Times

Meh, I'm not a fan, I hate when the pastor gets political. I feel like politics shouldnt be encouraged by your boss, or your priest.

If they are going to start advocating for candidates..they should lose their tax exempt status.

Simple as that.

Why?

 

[bodecea]

El Paso Catholic church bulletin urges Obama defeat - El Paso Times

Meh, I'm not a fan, I hate when the pastor gets political. I feel like politics shouldnt be encouraged by your boss, or your priest.

The church should stay out of political matters. It shouldn't be telling its members who to vote for.

On both sides...absolutely. But then again, their tax-exempt status should go away too.

 

[Seawytch]

I don't care whose church does it...they should ALL lose their tax exempt status.

Why?

If you don't get why a church shouldn't be politicking instead of religious-ing, I can't help you.