Chinese Flu and police crack down can't stop gun violence in Sweden...

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Gun violence is going up in Sweden despite the Chinese flu and a police crackdown on gangs in the country.....

Shootings on the Rise in Sweden Despite Crackdown on Gang Violence, COVID-19 Epidemic
The number of shootings is increasing in Sweden, despite a national effort to curtail gang violence amid the ongoing coronavirus epidemic, SVT reported.

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The police also noted that the raging coronavirus epidemic, contrary to some people's expectations, has not had a major impact on crime. This is likely due to the fact that Sweden, unlike most European nations, has consistently avoided lockdowns. Even the flow of drugs has not been disturbed to any great extent, the police said. However, there is still a risk that reduced access to drugs may increase violence.
 
Gun violence is going up in Sweden despite the Chinese flu and a police crackdown on gangs in the country.....

Shootings on the Rise in Sweden Despite Crackdown on Gang Violence, COVID-19 Epidemic
The number of shootings is increasing in Sweden, despite a national effort to curtail gang violence amid the ongoing coronavirus epidemic, SVT reported.

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The police also noted that the raging coronavirus epidemic, contrary to some people's expectations, has not had a major impact on crime. This is likely due to the fact that Sweden, unlike most European nations, has consistently avoided lockdowns. Even the flow of drugs has not been disturbed to any great extent, the police said. However, there is still a risk that reduced access to drugs may increase violence.
Gun and gang violence in Sweden? Thought they were just about blue eye blond girls, meetballs and little old guys with a funny accent.:)
 
Gun violence is going up in Sweden despite the Chinese flu and a police crackdown on gangs in the country.....

Shootings on the Rise in Sweden Despite Crackdown on Gang Violence, COVID-19 Epidemic
The number of shootings is increasing in Sweden, despite a national effort to curtail gang violence amid the ongoing coronavirus epidemic, SVT reported.

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The police also noted that the raging coronavirus epidemic, contrary to some people's expectations, has not had a major impact on crime. This is likely due to the fact that Sweden, unlike most European nations, has consistently avoided lockdowns. Even the flow of drugs has not been disturbed to any great extent, the police said. However, there is still a risk that reduced access to drugs may increase violence.
Gun and gang violence in Sweden? Thought they were just about blue eye blond girls, meetballs and little old guys with a funny accent.:)


They were, unitl they decided to import violent, 3rd world males from war torn countries.......these guys are taking over the drug trade in Sweden and they aren't shy about using guns and grenades against each other....
 
Gun violence is going up in Sweden despite the Chinese flu and a police crackdown on gangs in the country.....

Shootings on the Rise in Sweden Despite Crackdown on Gang Violence, COVID-19 Epidemic
The number of shootings is increasing in Sweden, despite a national effort to curtail gang violence amid the ongoing coronavirus epidemic, SVT reported.

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The police also noted that the raging coronavirus epidemic, contrary to some people's expectations, has not had a major impact on crime. This is likely due to the fact that Sweden, unlike most European nations, has consistently avoided lockdowns. Even the flow of drugs has not been disturbed to any great extent, the police said. However, there is still a risk that reduced access to drugs may increase violence.
Gun and gang violence in Sweden? Thought they were just about blue eye blond girls, meetballs and little old guys with a funny accent.:)


They were, unitl they decided to import violent, 3rd world males from war torn countries.......these guys are taking over the drug trade in Sweden and they aren't shy about using guns and grenades against each other....
You are probably right. I just never though about them having the same problems as everybody else. Seems such a innocent place, if you don't keep up. Thanks for the thread.
 
*sigh* Translated from the article.

"A lot of crime has decreased during the corona pandemic, but the professional criminals seem to continue to operate with unabated force. This is not least noticeable in police statistics on the number of firings.

A total of 15 people have been killed in the deadly shooting violence between January 1 and April 15. The number of dead remains at the same level as last year, but both the total number of fires, 86, and the number of injured, 32, have increased. More shooting despite Operation Rimfrost

The shootings have taken place during the police's national campaign against gang violence - Operation Rimfrost. The initiative, with increased resources, aims to put pressure on the criminals to reduce the violence. But the shootings have not been reduced. Despite this, the police believe that the effort is successful and that it would have been worse without Rimfrost.

Through Operation Rimfrost, the police have conducted hundreds of house searches and seized, among other things, 545 weapons and 100 kilos of explosives until April 24. In addition, over 200 people have been arrested for various types of crime."

A total of 86 shootings in Sweden in four months, with 15 dead. How many shootings in the USA so far this year?
 
*sigh* Translated from the article.

"A lot of crime has decreased during the corona pandemic, but the professional criminals seem to continue to operate with unabated force. This is not least noticeable in police statistics on the number of firings.

A total of 15 people have been killed in the deadly shooting violence between January 1 and April 15. The number of dead remains at the same level as last year, but both the total number of fires, 86, and the number of injured, 32, have increased. More shooting despite Operation Rimfrost

The shootings have taken place during the police's national campaign against gang violence - Operation Rimfrost. The initiative, with increased resources, aims to put pressure on the criminals to reduce the violence. But the shootings have not been reduced. Despite this, the police believe that the effort is successful and that it would have been worse without Rimfrost.

Through Operation Rimfrost, the police have conducted hundreds of house searches and seized, among other things, 545 weapons and 100 kilos of explosives until April 24. In addition, over 200 people have been arrested for various types of crime."

A total of 86 shootings in Sweden in four months, with 15 dead. How many shootings in the USA so far this year?


The comparison doesn't hold, moron...Sweden didn't have lots of gun violence before, now they do...... meanwhile, gun violence in the U.S. has dropped 75% since 1992 as more Americans went out, bought guns and now over 18.2 million Americans now carry them for self defense..........

You have an increase in gun violence in Sweden, a decrease in gun violence in the U.S.......as more Americans own and carry guns.....

You can't explain that.......
 
*sigh* Translated from the article.

"A lot of crime has decreased during the corona pandemic, but the professional criminals seem to continue to operate with unabated force. This is not least noticeable in police statistics on the number of firings.

A total of 15 people have been killed in the deadly shooting violence between January 1 and April 15. The number of dead remains at the same level as last year, but both the total number of fires, 86, and the number of injured, 32, have increased. More shooting despite Operation Rimfrost

The shootings have taken place during the police's national campaign against gang violence - Operation Rimfrost. The initiative, with increased resources, aims to put pressure on the criminals to reduce the violence. But the shootings have not been reduced. Despite this, the police believe that the effort is successful and that it would have been worse without Rimfrost.

Through Operation Rimfrost, the police have conducted hundreds of house searches and seized, among other things, 545 weapons and 100 kilos of explosives until April 24. In addition, over 200 people have been arrested for various types of crime."

A total of 86 shootings in Sweden in four months, with 15 dead. How many shootings in the USA so far this year?


Sweden....

Crime gangs in Sweden: What's behind the rise in the use of explosives?

The frequent use of explosives is a relatively recent phenomenon, and criminologists told The Local that the blasts can be seen as part of an overall rise in violence and growing recklessness in these criminal networks.

Amir Rostami, a police superintendent turned sociologist with a focus on criminal gangs, told The Local that so-called 'street gangs' are showing an increased tendency towards violence, and that this violence was becoming more severe when it took place.

"If previously they maybe fired one shot or shot someone in the legs, today it's more about AK47s, using more bullets, hand grenades and explosions that we didn't see before. I'd say that's the biggest shift we see – they're more reckless, they don't seem to care about the consequences," Rostami said.

Fatal shootings linked to criminal gangs have increased from around four per year in the early 1990s to over 40 in 2018. And while the blasts that have taken place in Sweden have caused no fatalities so far this year, they could be seen as a sign that the gangs are unafraid of causing damage and potentially harming people.
No, Sweden, hand grenade attacks aren’t an ‘image’ problem

In 2018 there were 162 bombings reported to police, and 93 reported in the first five months of this year, 30 more than during the same period in 2018. The level of attacks is “extreme in a country that is not at war,” Crime Commissioner Gunnar Appelgren told SVT last year.
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The use of hand grenades is a purely Swedish phenomenon too, with no other country in Europe reporting their use on such a level, a police manager told Swedish Radio in 2016, a year after attacks first spiked.

The grenades used almost exclusively originate in the former Yugoslavia, and are sold in Sweden for around $100 per piece. But while only three hand grenades were thrown in Kosovo between 2013 and 2014, more than 20 have been used in Sweden every year since 2015.

More broadly, homicide has risen in Sweden, with more than 300 shootings reported last year, causing 45 deaths. Though homicide rates had been in decline since 2002, they again began trending upwards in 2015, as did rapes and sexual assaults, which more than tripled in the last four years.

Of course, 2015 was also the year in which Sweden flung open its doors to more than 160,000 asylum seekers, more per capita than any other European country.
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Dagens Nyheter pointed out that 90 percent of shooting perpetrators in Sweden are either first or second generation immigrants.


United States....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%


Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
 
Oh dear, out comes the same mantra that's been debunked, time after time after time after time; Oh wait, what?! More guns causing a rise in US gun crime? Surely not...

"The CDC data shows that gun homicides account for a smaller proportion of the total of gun deaths, but here too there has been a worrying uptick in the past few years. The CDC figures show that 14,542 people were killed in firearm homicides in 2017, a rate of 4.6 per 100,000 that held steady on the previous year.

That was up from an equivalent rate of 4.2 in 2015 and 3.6 in 2010."

and

.
 
Oh dear, out comes the same mantra that's been debunked, time after time after time after time; Oh wait, what?! More guns causing a rise in US gun crime? Surely not...

"The CDC data shows that gun homicides account for a smaller proportion of the total of gun deaths, but here too there has been a worrying uptick in the past few years. The CDC figures show that 14,542 people were killed in firearm homicides in 2017, a rate of 4.6 per 100,000 that held steady on the previous year.

That was up from an equivalent rate of 4.2 in 2015 and 3.6 in 2010."

and

.


Moron....in 2014 we had the Ferguson effect created by the democrat party and obama.....they attacked the police.....the police reacted by reducing their pro-active police work......then, when Trump was elected, the Ferguson effect went away......

And again.....75% reduction in gun crime from 1992....as more Americans buy and carry guns......

49% reduction in gun murder as more Americans buy and carry guns....you can't explain that.....you are an idiot.

The Ferguson effect has ended......

Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebuttingthe charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

Crime Rates in Largest U.S. Cities Continue to Drop

Crime in the 30 largest U.S. cities is estimated to have declined in 2018, with decreases in the rates of violent crime, murder, and overall crime, according to a new Brennan Center analysis of the available data.

Murder rates in particular were down by 8 percent from 2017, a significant drop. 2018 marks the second straight year that murder rates have fallen, too, after increases in 2015 and 2016.

Overall, however, U.S. crime rates have dropped dramatically since peaking in 1991.
 
Oh dear, out comes the same mantra that's been debunked, time after time after time after time; Oh wait, what?! More guns causing a rise in US gun crime? Surely not...

"The CDC data shows that gun homicides account for a smaller proportion of the total of gun deaths, but here too there has been a worrying uptick in the past few years. The CDC figures show that 14,542 people were killed in firearm homicides in 2017, a rate of 4.6 per 100,000 that held steady on the previous year.

That was up from an equivalent rate of 4.2 in 2015 and 3.6 in 2010."

and

.


From the FBI.....gun murder stats...

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

2018...

Gun.....

2018........10,265 ...

2017...11,006....

2016, 10,372
 
Oh dear, out comes the same mantra that's been debunked, time after time after time after time; Oh wait, what?! More guns causing a rise in US gun crime? Surely not...

"The CDC data shows that gun homicides account for a smaller proportion of the total of gun deaths, but here too there has been a worrying uptick in the past few years. The CDC figures show that 14,542 people were killed in firearm homicides in 2017, a rate of 4.6 per 100,000 that held steady on the previous year.

That was up from an equivalent rate of 4.2 in 2015 and 3.6 in 2010."

and

.


Moron....in 2014 we had the Ferguson effect created by the democrat party and obama.....they attacked the police.....the police reacted by reducing their pro-active police work......then, when Trump was elected, the Ferguson effect went away......

And again.....75% reduction in gun crime from 1992....as more Americans buy and carry guns......

49% reduction in gun murder as more Americans buy and carry guns....you can't explain that.....you are an idiot.

The Ferguson effect has ended......

Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebuttingthe charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

Crime Rates in Largest U.S. Cities Continue to Drop

Crime in the 30 largest U.S. cities is estimated to have declined in 2018, with decreases in the rates of violent crime, murder, and overall crime, according to a new Brennan Center analysis of the available data.


Murder rates in particular were down by 8 percent from 2017, a significant drop. 2018 marks the second straight year that murder rates have fallen, too, after increases in 2015 and 2016.

Overall, however, U.S. crime rates have dropped dramatically since peaking in 1991.
Interesting. Violent crime rates have dropped in cities mainly controlled by Democrats. Contradicts your argument that Democrats keep on releasing violent criminals so they can re-offend.
 
Oh dear, out comes the same mantra that's been debunked, time after time after time after time; Oh wait, what?! More guns causing a rise in US gun crime? Surely not...

"The CDC data shows that gun homicides account for a smaller proportion of the total of gun deaths, but here too there has been a worrying uptick in the past few years. The CDC figures show that 14,542 people were killed in firearm homicides in 2017, a rate of 4.6 per 100,000 that held steady on the previous year.

That was up from an equivalent rate of 4.2 in 2015 and 3.6 in 2010."

and

.


Moron....in 2014 we had the Ferguson effect created by the democrat party and obama.....they attacked the police.....the police reacted by reducing their pro-active police work......then, when Trump was elected, the Ferguson effect went away......

And again.....75% reduction in gun crime from 1992....as more Americans buy and carry guns......

49% reduction in gun murder as more Americans buy and carry guns....you can't explain that.....you are an idiot.

The Ferguson effect has ended......

Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebuttingthe charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

Crime Rates in Largest U.S. Cities Continue to Drop

Crime in the 30 largest U.S. cities is estimated to have declined in 2018, with decreases in the rates of violent crime, murder, and overall crime, according to a new Brennan Center analysis of the available data.


Murder rates in particular were down by 8 percent from 2017, a significant drop. 2018 marks the second straight year that murder rates have fallen, too, after increases in 2015 and 2016.

Overall, however, U.S. crime rates have dropped dramatically since peaking in 1991.
Interesting. Violent crime rates have dropped in cities mainly controlled by Democrats. Contradicts your argument that Democrats keep on releasing violent criminals so they can re-offend.


After Trump took office you dope...... the police didn't have to worry about obama and the democrat mayors calling in the Justice Department to string them up on false allegations.....
 
Oh dear, out comes the same mantra that's been debunked, time after time after time after time; Oh wait, what?! More guns causing a rise in US gun crime? Surely not...

"The CDC data shows that gun homicides account for a smaller proportion of the total of gun deaths, but here too there has been a worrying uptick in the past few years. The CDC figures show that 14,542 people were killed in firearm homicides in 2017, a rate of 4.6 per 100,000 that held steady on the previous year.

That was up from an equivalent rate of 4.2 in 2015 and 3.6 in 2010."

and

.


Moron....in 2014 we had the Ferguson effect created by the democrat party and obama.....they attacked the police.....the police reacted by reducing their pro-active police work......then, when Trump was elected, the Ferguson effect went away......

And again.....75% reduction in gun crime from 1992....as more Americans buy and carry guns......

49% reduction in gun murder as more Americans buy and carry guns....you can't explain that.....you are an idiot.

The Ferguson effect has ended......

Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebuttingthe charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

Crime Rates in Largest U.S. Cities Continue to Drop

Crime in the 30 largest U.S. cities is estimated to have declined in 2018, with decreases in the rates of violent crime, murder, and overall crime, according to a new Brennan Center analysis of the available data.


Murder rates in particular were down by 8 percent from 2017, a significant drop. 2018 marks the second straight year that murder rates have fallen, too, after increases in 2015 and 2016.

Overall, however, U.S. crime rates have dropped dramatically since peaking in 1991.
Interesting. Violent crime rates have dropped in cities mainly controlled by Democrats. Contradicts your argument that Democrats keep on releasing violent criminals so they can re-offend.
You had to trigger him didnt you ?
 
Oh dear, out comes the same mantra that's been debunked, time after time after time after time; Oh wait, what?! More guns causing a rise in US gun crime? Surely not...

"The CDC data shows that gun homicides account for a smaller proportion of the total of gun deaths, but here too there has been a worrying uptick in the past few years. The CDC figures show that 14,542 people were killed in firearm homicides in 2017, a rate of 4.6 per 100,000 that held steady on the previous year.

That was up from an equivalent rate of 4.2 in 2015 and 3.6 in 2010."

and

.


Moron....in 2014 we had the Ferguson effect created by the democrat party and obama.....they attacked the police.....the police reacted by reducing their pro-active police work......then, when Trump was elected, the Ferguson effect went away......

And again.....75% reduction in gun crime from 1992....as more Americans buy and carry guns......

49% reduction in gun murder as more Americans buy and carry guns....you can't explain that.....you are an idiot.

The Ferguson effect has ended......

Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebuttingthe charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

Crime Rates in Largest U.S. Cities Continue to Drop

Crime in the 30 largest U.S. cities is estimated to have declined in 2018, with decreases in the rates of violent crime, murder, and overall crime, according to a new Brennan Center analysis of the available data.


Murder rates in particular were down by 8 percent from 2017, a significant drop. 2018 marks the second straight year that murder rates have fallen, too, after increases in 2015 and 2016.

Overall, however, U.S. crime rates have dropped dramatically since peaking in 1991.
Interesting. Violent crime rates have dropped in cities mainly controlled by Democrats. Contradicts your argument that Democrats keep on releasing violent criminals so they can re-offend.
You had to trigger him didnt you ?

Yes, I know, but in these trying times the last thing we need is some NRA schill preaching that GUNZ! are the solution to all our current problems.

I just get tired of reading whacky gun-fetishist theories that 8% of Americans are responsible for a 75% drop in gun violence, while totally ignoring all the decades of socio-economic changes, social programs and technological advances that occurred in America since the 1990’s that have had a cumulative effect.

Using his “logic” an equally “valid” theory would be that the increase in obesity in Americans over the same period resulted in a 75% drop in gun violence, in that they were too fat and busy filling their faces to shoot at each other. :rolleyes:
 
Oh dear, out comes the same mantra that's been debunked, time after time after time after time; Oh wait, what?! More guns causing a rise in US gun crime? Surely not...

"The CDC data shows that gun homicides account for a smaller proportion of the total of gun deaths, but here too there has been a worrying uptick in the past few years. The CDC figures show that 14,542 people were killed in firearm homicides in 2017, a rate of 4.6 per 100,000 that held steady on the previous year.

That was up from an equivalent rate of 4.2 in 2015 and 3.6 in 2010."

and

.


Moron....in 2014 we had the Ferguson effect created by the democrat party and obama.....they attacked the police.....the police reacted by reducing their pro-active police work......then, when Trump was elected, the Ferguson effect went away......

And again.....75% reduction in gun crime from 1992....as more Americans buy and carry guns......

49% reduction in gun murder as more Americans buy and carry guns....you can't explain that.....you are an idiot.

The Ferguson effect has ended......

Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebuttingthe charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

Crime Rates in Largest U.S. Cities Continue to Drop

Crime in the 30 largest U.S. cities is estimated to have declined in 2018, with decreases in the rates of violent crime, murder, and overall crime, according to a new Brennan Center analysis of the available data.


Murder rates in particular were down by 8 percent from 2017, a significant drop. 2018 marks the second straight year that murder rates have fallen, too, after increases in 2015 and 2016.

Overall, however, U.S. crime rates have dropped dramatically since peaking in 1991.
Interesting. Violent crime rates have dropped in cities mainly controlled by Democrats. Contradicts your argument that Democrats keep on releasing violent criminals so they can re-offend.


After Trump took office you dope...... the police didn't have to worry about obama and the democrat mayors calling in the Justice Department to string them up on false allegations.....
You off your meds again or has your tin foil hat slipped?
 
Oh dear, out comes the same mantra that's been debunked, time after time after time after time; Oh wait, what?! More guns causing a rise in US gun crime? Surely not...

"The CDC data shows that gun homicides account for a smaller proportion of the total of gun deaths, but here too there has been a worrying uptick in the past few years. The CDC figures show that 14,542 people were killed in firearm homicides in 2017, a rate of 4.6 per 100,000 that held steady on the previous year.

That was up from an equivalent rate of 4.2 in 2015 and 3.6 in 2010."

and

.


Moron....in 2014 we had the Ferguson effect created by the democrat party and obama.....they attacked the police.....the police reacted by reducing their pro-active police work......then, when Trump was elected, the Ferguson effect went away......

And again.....75% reduction in gun crime from 1992....as more Americans buy and carry guns......

49% reduction in gun murder as more Americans buy and carry guns....you can't explain that.....you are an idiot.

The Ferguson effect has ended......

Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebuttingthe charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

Crime Rates in Largest U.S. Cities Continue to Drop

Crime in the 30 largest U.S. cities is estimated to have declined in 2018, with decreases in the rates of violent crime, murder, and overall crime, according to a new Brennan Center analysis of the available data.


Murder rates in particular were down by 8 percent from 2017, a significant drop. 2018 marks the second straight year that murder rates have fallen, too, after increases in 2015 and 2016.

Overall, however, U.S. crime rates have dropped dramatically since peaking in 1991.
Interesting. Violent crime rates have dropped in cities mainly controlled by Democrats. Contradicts your argument that Democrats keep on releasing violent criminals so they can re-offend.
You had to trigger him didnt you ?

Yes, I know, but in these trying times the last thing we need is some NRA schill preaching that GUNZ! are the solution to all our current problems.

I just get tired of reading whacky gun-fetishist theories that 8% of Americans are responsible for a 75% drop in gun violence, while totally ignoring all the decades of socio-economic changes, social programs and technological advances that occurred in America since the 1990’s that have had a cumulative effect.

Using his “logic” an equally “valid” theory would be that the increase in obesity in Americans over the same period resulted in a 75% drop in gun violence, in that they were too fat and busy filling their faces to shoot at each other. :rolleyes:


No, moron.....you don't understand the issues or what we say about the issues...

Violence in this country, and now Britain, is driven by fatherless homes.....boys who turn to gangs to be their family and girls who have out of wedlock children without fathers........

Our fatherless homes are concentrated in our inner cities under democrat party control....

We now have more people who own and carry guns since 1993 and our gun murder rate dropped 49%, our gun violence rate dropped 75%...and over 18.2 million Americans can carry guns for self defense.....

What this shows is that normal people who own guns and carry them do not cause gun crime or gun murder since we had more people buying and owning guns while the gun murder rate went down and the gun crime rate went down...

What that shows, you dumb ass, is that access to guns does not cause crime.....it does not increase crime......

The cause of gun crime is fatherless homes, in left wing voting districts........where the policies of our democrat party increase fatherless homes and increase the release of violent criminals back into those vulnerable communities over and over again...since our gun crime is localised to these democrat party voting districts.....


Analysis | The surprising way gun violence is dividing America

In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

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As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas.
 
Oh dear, out comes the same mantra that's been debunked, time after time after time after time; Oh wait, what?! More guns causing a rise in US gun crime? Surely not...

"The CDC data shows that gun homicides account for a smaller proportion of the total of gun deaths, but here too there has been a worrying uptick in the past few years. The CDC figures show that 14,542 people were killed in firearm homicides in 2017, a rate of 4.6 per 100,000 that held steady on the previous year.

That was up from an equivalent rate of 4.2 in 2015 and 3.6 in 2010."

and

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Moron....in 2014 we had the Ferguson effect created by the democrat party and obama.....they attacked the police.....the police reacted by reducing their pro-active police work......then, when Trump was elected, the Ferguson effect went away......

And again.....75% reduction in gun crime from 1992....as more Americans buy and carry guns......

49% reduction in gun murder as more Americans buy and carry guns....you can't explain that.....you are an idiot.

The Ferguson effect has ended......

Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebuttingthe charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

Crime Rates in Largest U.S. Cities Continue to Drop

Crime in the 30 largest U.S. cities is estimated to have declined in 2018, with decreases in the rates of violent crime, murder, and overall crime, according to a new Brennan Center analysis of the available data.


Murder rates in particular were down by 8 percent from 2017, a significant drop. 2018 marks the second straight year that murder rates have fallen, too, after increases in 2015 and 2016.

Overall, however, U.S. crime rates have dropped dramatically since peaking in 1991.
Interesting. Violent crime rates have dropped in cities mainly controlled by Democrats. Contradicts your argument that Democrats keep on releasing violent criminals so they can re-offend.
You had to trigger him didnt you ?

Yes, I know, but in these trying times the last thing we need is some NRA schill preaching that GUNZ! are the solution to all our current problems.

I just get tired of reading whacky gun-fetishist theories that 8% of Americans are responsible for a 75% drop in gun violence, while totally ignoring all the decades of socio-economic changes, social programs and technological advances that occurred in America since the 1990’s that have had a cumulative effect.

Using his “logic” an equally “valid” theory would be that the increase in obesity in Americans over the same period resulted in a 75% drop in gun violence, in that they were too fat and busy filling their faces to shoot at each other. :rolleyes:


Nothing you feel about guns and gun owners is even close to being true, factual or based in reality.......you don't understand the issues, you have no clue how to fix the problem....you are blinded by a phobia of guns and a hatred of those who own guns.....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%


Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.



The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....


In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...



Britain...
More Guns = More Gun Crime

Britain had access to guns before they banned them.....they had low gun crime, low gun murder.

They banned guns, the gun murder rate spiked for 10 years then returned to the same level...

Your Theory again....

More guns = More Gun Crime

Guns Banned creates no change? That means banning guns for law abiding gun owners had no effect on gun crime.

When your theory states one thing, and you implement your theory, and nothing changes....in science, that means your theory is wrong...
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Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


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Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.
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Bolsonaro's Brazil, More Legal Guns, Homicide Rates Down Precipitously

In December, 2018, in an article published by the Wall Street Journal, this pronouncement was made. From the wsj.com:

Now, Brazil is set to embark on an experiment that will determine what happens when you loosen gun restrictions in a country battling an overpowering wave of gun crime.
Homicides in Brazil were at historic highs in 2017. They dropped a bit in 2018, as candidate Bolsonaro ran on reform of the gun laws to allow self defense, and reform of the law to get tough on crime. The homicide numbers dropped from 59,000 in 2017, to 51,000 in 2018. President Bolsonaro was elected in October of 2018.

After taking office on 1 January, 2019, President Bolsonaro issued his first decree reforming some of Brazil's extreme gun laws on 15 January, 2019. The drop in Brazil's homicide rate accelerated.
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Early in the Bolsonaro presidency, a Brazilian lawyer prediceted the homicide rate would drop. From ammoland.com:

César Mello, asked that I include information that early reports are showing a 25% drop in Brazil's homicide rate, in the first quarter of 2019. If this trend continues, 16,000 lives will have been saved in the first year of President Bolsonaro's time in office.
The rate reduction was not quite that high. Only 10,000 lives were saved. From wtop.com:
Brazil had 41,635 killings in 2019, down 19% from the prior year and the least number of homicides since 2007, when the so-called Violence Monitor index was launched. It is a partnership between the non-profit Brazilian Forum of Public Security, the University of Sao Paulo’s Center for the Study of Violence, and news website G1, which published the data Friday.
When translated to homicide rates, the rate dropped 17% in 2018, then 23% more in 2019. The population of Brazil in 2019 was 210 million. The rate of homicides per 100,000 was 19.83. That is less than 2/3 of the homicide rate in 2017, which was 30.8.
 
Oh dear, out comes the same mantra that's been debunked, time after time after time after time; Oh wait, what?! More guns causing a rise in US gun crime? Surely not...

"The CDC data shows that gun homicides account for a smaller proportion of the total of gun deaths, but here too there has been a worrying uptick in the past few years. The CDC figures show that 14,542 people were killed in firearm homicides in 2017, a rate of 4.6 per 100,000 that held steady on the previous year.

That was up from an equivalent rate of 4.2 in 2015 and 3.6 in 2010."

and

.


Moron....in 2014 we had the Ferguson effect created by the democrat party and obama.....they attacked the police.....the police reacted by reducing their pro-active police work......then, when Trump was elected, the Ferguson effect went away......

And again.....75% reduction in gun crime from 1992....as more Americans buy and carry guns......

49% reduction in gun murder as more Americans buy and carry guns....you can't explain that.....you are an idiot.

The Ferguson effect has ended......

Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebuttingthe charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

Crime Rates in Largest U.S. Cities Continue to Drop

Crime in the 30 largest U.S. cities is estimated to have declined in 2018, with decreases in the rates of violent crime, murder, and overall crime, according to a new Brennan Center analysis of the available data.


Murder rates in particular were down by 8 percent from 2017, a significant drop. 2018 marks the second straight year that murder rates have fallen, too, after increases in 2015 and 2016.

Overall, however, U.S. crime rates have dropped dramatically since peaking in 1991.
Interesting. Violent crime rates have dropped in cities mainly controlled by Democrats. Contradicts your argument that Democrats keep on releasing violent criminals so they can re-offend.


No.....they went down after the democrat party lost control of the federal government..........the Ferguson Effect was created by President obama and the left wing race groups targeting police for unjust persecution...which resulted in the police pulling back from active police work in those areas controlled by the democrat party.......

And you will see that in those democrat controlled cities, where they keep releasing violent criminals over and over again, you have the highest rates of gun crime, and other violent crime...

What is so hard for you to understand that if you have a violent criminal, with a long history of crime and violence going back to their teen years......that constantly releasing them over and over is not going to lower the crime rate?

Why is that such a hard concept for your tiny brain grasp?

The Ferguson Effect and it's effect on crime...



The decline that began in the mid-1990s continued to the point that by 2014, the homicide rate was back where it had been before the social upheaval of the 1960s. But then something happened. In 2015, the homicide rate suddenly reversed its downward trend and spiked upward. In 2016 it jumped upward again. In those two years–2015 and 2016–there were 4,968 more murders than would have been the case if the 2014 rate had remained steady. (The delta is actually more than that, since population increased after 2014.) This table tells the story.

It should be noted that other violent crimes increased during the last two years of the Obama administration, as well. The incidence of forcible rape, like homicide, has been in long-term decline–down from a high of 42.8 per 100,000 in 1992 to 25.9 in 2013. It rose slowly for a couple of years, then took off like a shot in 2016, jumping suddenly from 28.4 per 100,000 to 40.9. Aggravated assault similarly spiked in 2015 and 2016, while property crimes in general continued their historic decline.

So what happened in 2015 and 2016 to cause the violent crime rate, including the homicide rate, to rise after decades of decline?


I can’t think of any explanation other than the Black Lives Matter movement and the relentless attacks on law enforcement that it engendered, which were supported by the Obama administration.


But what happened when Donald Trump took over in the White House?

The homicide and violent crime rates began to fall again. If the New York Times’s projection is correct, the second year of the Trump administration saw a steeper decline in the homicide rate.

Again, what could possibly have caused this change?


I can’t think of a plausible theory other than the Trump administration’s renewed support for law enforcement and the waning of the anti-police Black Lives Matter movement. Something happened beginning in 2017 that has saved thousands of lives. If it wasn’t the new administration in Washington, what was it?

Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebuttingthe charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

Crime Rates in Largest U.S. Cities Continue to Drop

Crime in the 30 largest U.S. cities is estimated to have declined in 2018, with decreases in the rates of violent crime, murder, and overall crime, according to a new Brennan Center analysis of the available data.

Murder rates in particular were down by 8 percent from 2017, a significant drop. 2018 marks the second straight year that murder rates have fallen, too, after increases in 2015 and 2016.


Overall, however, U.S. crime rates have dropped dramatically since peaking in 1991.
 
FFS.
Cant we all just agree that guns make you safer. The US has the lowest gun murder and suicide rates in the world because gun nuts are so well armed.
Its not a difficult proposition.
 
FFS.
Cant we all just agree that guns make you safer. The US has the lowest gun murder and suicide rates in the world because gun nuts are so well armed.
Its not a difficult proposition.


Yes.....guns do make most people safer....especially normal, law abiding people. Americans use their legal guns 1.2 million times a year to save lives......over 18.2 million Americans now carry guns for self defense, and we have over 600 million guns in private hands....

At this time with all those guns, our gun murder rate went down 40%...... our gun crime rate went down 75%....our violent crime rate went down 72%....this shows that gun ownership......and carrying guns for self defense has no bearing on the crime rate ........ it also helps to narrow down the actual problem....criminals. Criminals who are known, who have long criminal records, who are released over and over again by the democrat party here in the U.S.....stop the democrats, and we lower crime rates even more.
 

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