Kevin_Kennedy
The link below chronicles the timeline of Senkaku dispute between China and Japan. Note that in 1969 the UN reported that there was oil deposit near Senkaku Islands. Two years later, China and Taiwan officially claim Senkaku Islands. Don't you think that is bizarre?
Timeline of Japan-China Dispute Over East China Sea Islands
I think there's a problem with your link, and that problem is that the timeline only goes as far back as 1895 and cites no sources to back up its claims. China was at one point the most advanced civilization on the planet and could very well have made a claim on the Senkaku islands before Japan. Does that mean that they did? No, but it does seem strange that an ancient and expanding civilization would simply ignore uninhabited territory for so long.
Regardless, let's assume that your link is correct. "Japan unilaterally annexes five islands and three barren rock groups in the East China Sea, calls them "Senkaku."" Where did Japan get the right to unilaterally annex these islands? Does taking and administering the islands, as you called it, give them the right to the islands? Of course this criticism also applies to China. Assuming they had annexed and administered the islands I see no more right for them to claim them than Japan.
Furthermore, I find your position that Japan's alleged claiming of this territory in earlier times gives them a right to the islands today a bit hypocritical. Earlier in the thread you said of China, "What is their excuse for invading and killing Tibetans?" Their excuse is the same excuse you're putting forward for Japan's ownership of the Senkaku islands, that Tibet was a legitimate part of China and that they were simply reclaiming their territory. If you're going to accept Japan's ownership of Senkaku on this basis, and assuming that it's factually correct, then you have to also accept China's ownership of Tibet because nobody disputes that Tibet was a part of China for a long time before they tried to declare independence during the Chinese Civil War.
My position is that neither Japan nor China has a legitimate claim to the islands, and that their military posturing over the islands, along with the U.S. government's backing of Japan, is possibly the most dangerous conflict on the planet right now.
Your entire post is devoid of what sane people call logic. I am very sorry for the harsh nature of my characterization of your post but that is the truth.
The timeline only goes as far back as 1895 because that is the earliest recorded history we have of Senkaku Islands. Now, if you have any proof of recorded history of Chinese presence in Senkaku Islands before 1895, please provide it. By proof I mean impartial sources not Chinese propaganda materials designed to brainwash the gullible.
There is no proof that China has ever been more advanced than Japan. I am simply not going to accept that China was the most advanced civilization just because a biased person on the internet says so. It was an advanced civilization but there is no proof that it was more advanced than Japan. Lack of ancient Chinese maritime accomplishments is quite evident. Even Indians who do not make the claim of being the most advanced civilization have left plenty of proofs that demonstrate their ancient maritime activities. All you have to do is take trips to islands like Java, Sumatra, Bali, etc. and see for yourself. There is no such proof of Chinese activities. .
Really? No proof that China was ever more advance than Japan?
Who developed the writing system that Japan uses today? (Actually as I understand it, 1 of the three systems Japan uses today). Japan adopted Chinese script- not the other way around.
Japan is an ancient civilization, but China is even more ancient.
And Chinese maritime expertise is quite well known- we know that China made it at least to the East Coast of Africa by the 1400's.
As far as other claims- this appears to have a compelling argument to the other claims
Senkaku Diaoyu Islands of Conflict History Today
Mind you- I don't really care who owns them- Japan or China- just that it isn't exactly as simple as you portray it.
Languages move around and get modified in the process. It is a pretty standard stuff. For example, Sanskrit is considered mother (or father depending on your preference) of all Indo-European languages. This does not mean India is more advanced than England. Kanji of Japanese writing system is based on Chinese characters. But rest of the components of Japanese writing systems such as kanas (hiragana and katakana) were Japanese inventions that showed the superiority of Japanese culture.
Japan and China are bothe ancient. Japan has been a bit superior.
The myth propagated by Gavin Menzies that China explored African and American coasts in 1421 has been debunked by various competent scholars/organizations. I will name a few here:
a) Australian Broadcasting Corporations aired a program debunking this myth. It was called Junk History.
b) Victor Prescott who is a professor who specializes in cartography found flaws with the maps that were supposedly used by Chinese explorers.
c) Geoff Wade, a prominet researcher too had issues with the cartography of Gavin Menzies.
d) Professor Bill Richardson from Australia called those maps fake.
e) Dr Stephen Davies from Hong Kong investigated and found no record whatsoever of a Chinese ship docking in any of the Italy's harbor as claimed by Menzies.
f) P. J. Rivers, Master Mariner called the book a product of Menzies's imagination. He investigated Menzies's claim that Chinese sailed through Cairo. There was nor record of it whatsoever anywhere.
Now, let us come back to the link you have posted about Senkaku Islands dispute. That link itself says that Chinese made the claim on Senkaku in 1970s. Why did Chinese wait for so long to make the claim if the islands were part of their territory for hundreds of years?
I do not take your claim of neutrality seriously given that you have posted nothing but Chinese propaganda even though they have been debunked thoroughly.
Okay lets go through this step by step
Writing- writing is separate from languages- which is why for instance English can use Latin script, and Japan can use Chinese logograms.
The Chinese developed the logograms, and the Japanese adopted them- not the other way around.
Kevin_Kennedy
The link below chronicles the timeline of Senkaku dispute between China and Japan. Note that in 1969 the UN reported that there was oil deposit near Senkaku Islands. Two years later, China and Taiwan officially claim Senkaku Islands. Don't you think that is bizarre?
Timeline of Japan-China Dispute Over East China Sea Islands
I think there's a problem with your link, and that problem is that the timeline only goes as far back as 1895 and cites no sources to back up its claims. China was at one point the most advanced civilization on the planet and could very well have made a claim on the Senkaku islands before Japan. Does that mean that they did? No, but it does seem strange that an ancient and expanding civilization would simply ignore uninhabited territory for so long.
Regardless, let's assume that your link is correct. "Japan unilaterally annexes five islands and three barren rock groups in the East China Sea, calls them "Senkaku."" Where did Japan get the right to unilaterally annex these islands? Does taking and administering the islands, as you called it, give them the right to the islands? Of course this criticism also applies to China. Assuming they had annexed and administered the islands I see no more right for them to claim them than Japan.
Furthermore, I find your position that Japan's alleged claiming of this territory in earlier times gives them a right to the islands today a bit hypocritical. Earlier in the thread you said of China, "What is their excuse for invading and killing Tibetans?" Their excuse is the same excuse you're putting forward for Japan's ownership of the Senkaku islands, that Tibet was a legitimate part of China and that they were simply reclaiming their territory. If you're going to accept Japan's ownership of Senkaku on this basis, and assuming that it's factually correct, then you have to also accept China's ownership of Tibet because nobody disputes that Tibet was a part of China for a long time before they tried to declare independence during the Chinese Civil War.
My position is that neither Japan nor China has a legitimate claim to the islands, and that their military posturing over the islands, along with the U.S. government's backing of Japan, is possibly the most dangerous conflict on the planet right now.
Your entire post is devoid of what sane people call logic. I am very sorry for the harsh nature of my characterization of your post but that is the truth.
The timeline only goes as far back as 1895 because that is the earliest recorded history we have of Senkaku Islands. Now, if you have any proof of recorded history of Chinese presence in Senkaku Islands before 1895, please provide it. By proof I mean impartial sources not Chinese propaganda materials designed to brainwash the gullible.
There is no proof that China has ever been more advanced than Japan. I am simply not going to accept that China was the most advanced civilization just because a biased person on the internet says so. It was an advanced civilization but there is no proof that it was more advanced than Japan. Lack of ancient Chinese maritime accomplishments is quite evident. Even Indians who do not make the claim of being the most advanced civilization have left plenty of proofs that demonstrate their ancient maritime activities. All you have to do is take trips to islands like Java, Sumatra, Bali, etc. and see for yourself. There is no such proof of Chinese activities. .
Really? No proof that China was ever more advance than Japan?
Who developed the writing system that Japan uses today? (Actually as I understand it, 1 of the three systems Japan uses today). Japan adopted Chinese script- not the other way around.
Japan is an ancient civilization, but China is even more ancient.
And Chinese maritime expertise is quite well known- we know that China made it at least to the East Coast of Africa by the 1400's.
As far as other claims- this appears to have a compelling argument to the other claims
Senkaku Diaoyu Islands of Conflict History Today
Mind you- I don't really care who owns them- Japan or China- just that it isn't exactly as simple as you portray it.
Languages move around and get modified in the process. It is a pretty standard stuff. For example, Sanskrit is considered mother (or father depending on your preference) of all Indo-European languages. This does not mean India is more advanced than England. Kanji of Japanese writing system is based on Chinese characters. But rest of the components of Japanese writing systems such as kanas (hiragana and katakana) were Japanese inventions that showed the superiority of Japanese culture.
Japan and China are bothe ancient. Japan has been a bit superior.
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Let us review what your original claim was:
There is no proof that China has ever been more advanced than Japan
Chinese logograms predate Japanese kanas.
China was using a writing system before Japan was.
Modern Day Views
Nowadays there is more-or-less consensus on a few points concerning the origin of writing. First of all, writing was invented independently in at least three places, Mesopotamia, China, and Mesoamerica. Recent discoveries might also provide evidence that writing was invented in Egypt and Indus independently of Mesopotamia.
Ancient Scripts Origins of Writing Systems
Chinese writing, basically logographic
writing system, one of the world’s great
writing systems.
Like Semitic writing in the West, Chinese script was fundamental to the writing systems in the East. Until relatively recently, Chinese writing was more widely in use than alphabetic writing systems, and until the 18th century more than half of the world’s books were written in Chinese, including works of speculative thought, historical writings of a kind, and novels, along with writings on government and law.
It is not known when Chinese writing originated, but it apparently began to develop in the early 2nd millennium bc. The earliest known inscriptions, each of which contains between 10 and 60 characters incised on pieces of bone and tortoiseshell that were used for
oracular divination, date from the
Shang (or Yin) dynasty (18th–12th century bc), but, by then it was already a highly developed system, essentially similar to its present form. By 1400 bc the script included some 2,500 to 3,000 characters, most of which can be read to this day. Later stages in the development of Chinese writing include the
guwen (“ancient figures”) found in inscriptions from the late
Shang dynasty (
c. 1123 bc) and the early years of the
Zhou dynasty that followed. The major script of the
Zhou dynasty, which ruled from 1046 to 256 bc, was the
dazhuan (“great seal”), also called the
Zhou wen (“Zhou script”). By the end of the Zhou dynasty the
dazhuan had degenerated to some extent.
The script was fixed in its present form during the
Qin period (221–207 bc). The earliest graphs were schematic pictures of what they represented; the graph for
man resembled a standing figure, that for
woman depicted a kneeling figure.
Chinese writing -- Encyclopedia Britannica
I do not claim that China is superior to Japan- or vice versa- but China is the older civilization, and clearly was more advanced when it came to writing than Japan up until Japan developed its own writing system- and adopted China's.
This is not my first rodeo. I have debated with Chinese posters making outlandish claims before. It gets tiring and boring real fast. Communist party has brainwashed Chinese people. Now they are on a mission to brainwash rest of us 
