China Now Has World's Fastest Supercomputer: And the GOP Helped

[CrusaderFrank]

so, no jobs went to China since 2008?

The foundation was put in place by the right wing. What started on their watch, simply continued.

you are such an idiot, you likely actually believe that

That's what makes him an endless source of entertainment! He really does!

At first, I thought he was fooling, but no! He's really believe it! Is that a riot or what?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yet they started building it two years before they planned it.

Amazing.

That is usually how my planning works out.

All fooling aside, the US really needs to get its educational system on track. Everywhere else is busy training engineers and the like, and our schools seem be dedicated to self realization and basket weaving.

Of course, they send their kids here to learn engineering. The community college I go to is full of kids from all over, learning english and C++. My SQL class has folks from Germany, India, Korea, Vietnam. The computer classes are really diverse. The visual Basic class is 20% Vietnamese. You go to the computer lab and it is full of Indonesian girls in the weird muslim scarves working on their Javascript homework.

So we should worry about the rest of the world eating our lunch if we are not careful. But the answer is more freedom, not less. More opportunity, not less. The fact that China has moved from autarky to a comparatively (to what went before) freer society means that all those brains that were locked up on collective farms and Socialist Hero Projects are now free to do some thinking on their own. And that means that we will be seeing the Chinese do more of these wonders. Mostly with American trained staff using American equipment and American components. But as time goes forward, and they have more opportunity, and we close off opportunity, we will have more to worry about.

How many right wingers on this board call education just a "piece of paper"? Then you have the right delegitimizing science with "magical creation" and "irreducible complexity" and wanting to stop any kind of funding of education and call advanced education a left wing conspiracy. Then they make up only 6% of scientists.

It's the right wing that has put education into the toilet. They support nothing except cheap labor for corporations and removing regulations so this country can be raped for it's natural resources.

No one can name a right wing contribution for at least a decade. Something good I mean. When you have the single largest group in America tearing down education, it will never succeed.

See what I mean?!!

 

[Big Fitz]

Named Tianhe-1A, which means "Milky Way" in Mandarin, China's new supercomputer has 168 graphics processing units -- the type of graphics chips used in video games -- and 14,336 Intel CPUs, according to PC World. All of these processors were made by U.S. companies, but they're linked together by new Chinese-invented technology.

China Dethrones US With World's Fastest Supercomputer, the Tianhe-1A

I remember all the right wingers laughing and calling me names when I pointed out the US Air Force built a super computer from play station chips.

One thing the GOP has proven, they know how to nation build.

Millions of jobs moved to China from 2001 to 2008.

US Technology moved to China.

Chinese and Republican supported US Chamber of Commerce seminars on outsourcing American jobs to China.

Subsidies and tax breaks to train Chinese to take over American jobs.

And from all of our training, they put together a better super computer than us based on our own technology. Good Going GOP. You did it!!!!

The Chinese got most privileged trade status pushed through by the Clinton Administration. Of course they're perfectly innocent.

They are also the ones who refused to increase security on the Los Alamos gubmint labs, figuring the screen door was good enough to keep out the dozens of Chinese spies that waltzed in and walked off with so much data. I doubt it's fixed today because those precious liberal researchers (remember your mantra, Hairnet) wouldn't cooperate with an increase in security that inconvenienced them.

So, who's at fault here too, Hairnet? Hmm? Somehow you're side is perfectly innocent?

 

[Bill Angel]

not according to this story

Intel opens first chip plant in China | Reuters

it began PLANNING for it a bit over 3 years ago

Yet they started building it two years before they planned it.

Amazing.

That is usually how my planning works out.

All fooling aside, the US really needs to get its educational system on track. Everywhere else is busy training engineers and the like, and our schools seem be dedicated to self realization and basket weaving.

Of course, they send their kids here to learn engineering. The community college I go to is full of kids from all over, learning english and C++. My SQL class has folks from Germany, India, Korea, Vietnam. The computer classes are really diverse. The visual Basic class is 20% Vietnamese. You go to the computer lab and it is full of Indonesian girls in the weird muslim scarves working on their Javascript homework.

So we should worry about the rest of the world eating our lunch if we are not careful. But the answer is more freedom, not less. More opportunity, not less. The fact that China has moved from autarky to a comparatively (to what went before) freer society means that all those brains that were locked up on collective farms and Socialist Hero Projects are now free to do some thinking on their own. And that means that we will be seeing the Chinese do more of these wonders. Mostly with American trained staff using American equipment and American components. But as time goes forward, and they have more opportunity, and we close off opportunity, we will have more to worry about.

I believe that the students from some of the countries that you mentioned could be in for a rude awakening. OK they come to this country to learn computer engineering. But will they be able to find employment, if China comes to dominate software engineering because of its large pool of low cost labor?

According to the document Programmer Salaries - International Comparison
the net monthly income for Computer Programmers from the USA, Germany, Japan, and China is:

USA is $ 4,141
Germany is $ 2,505
Japan is $ 1,995
China is $ 252

Once reason China appears to pay its computer programmers so little (in terms of the current value of the US Dollar) is because the US Dollar's current value is way overvalued, relative to the Chinese currency.

I'm wondering if the employment market for computer programmers will follow the historical trend that was followed by the camera manufacturing industry. At one time the USA and Germany were centers for the manufacturing of cameras. That industry first shifted to Japan, and now China is a major center of camera manufacturing. (For example, my Sony Cyber-shot camera, which is an excellent product, was manufactured in China).

 

[Big Fitz]

Yet they started building it two years before they planned it.

Amazing.

That is usually how my planning works out.

All fooling aside, the US really needs to get its educational system on track. Everywhere else is busy training engineers and the like, and our schools seem be dedicated to self realization and basket weaving.

Of course, they send their kids here to learn engineering. The community college I go to is full of kids from all over, learning english and C++. My SQL class has folks from Germany, India, Korea, Vietnam. The computer classes are really diverse. The visual Basic class is 20% Vietnamese. You go to the computer lab and it is full of Indonesian girls in the weird muslim scarves working on their Javascript homework.

So we should worry about the rest of the world eating our lunch if we are not careful. But the answer is more freedom, not less. More opportunity, not less. The fact that China has moved from autarky to a comparatively (to what went before) freer society means that all those brains that were locked up on collective farms and Socialist Hero Projects are now free to do some thinking on their own. And that means that we will be seeing the Chinese do more of these wonders. Mostly with American trained staff using American equipment and American components. But as time goes forward, and they have more opportunity, and we close off opportunity, we will have more to worry about.

I believe that the students from some of the countries that you mentioned could be in for a rude awakening. OK they come to this country to learn computer engineering. But will they be able to find employment, if China comes to dominate software engineering because of its large pool of low cost labor?

According to the document Programmer Salaries - International Comparison
the net monthly income for Computer Programmers from the USA, Germany, Japan, and China is:

USA is $ 4,141
Germany is $ 2,505
Japan is $ 1,995
China is $ 252

Once reason China appears to pay its computer programmers so little (in terms of the current value of the US Dollar) is because the US Dollar's current value is way overvalued, relative to the Chinese currency.

I'm wondering if the employment market for computer programmers will follow the historical trend that was followed by the camera manufacturing industry. At one time the USA and Germany were centers for the manufacturing of cameras. That industry first shifted to Japan, and now China is a major center of camera manufacturing. (For example, my Sony Cyber-shot camera, which is an excellent product, was manufactured in China).

Gotta love that deliberate pegging of the Yuan's worth at 40% below the value of the dollar when it should be equal to actually above the dollar.

In a way, as much as I hate the QE2, we have inadvertantly launched a economic ICBM strike against their 'pegged' economy. It's going to be horrible for us, and we might become the United States of Weimar, but if they can't unpeg and find a new market fast enough, they're fooked too.

On the other hand, they have tons of untapped domestic market, but if their markets are not wealthy enough to spend on the products they need to support their industries, they will still implode. This is a highwire act on a fishing line and everyone's going to get cut up and hurt.

As was pointed out recently, the reason Henry Ford gave his employees such high wages (double the industry at the time) was to create a class of people able to afford his product! now mind you, that was one reason in many. He was a great innovator, but not quite the pure altruist he is made out to be by too many. It was a reaction of need for his business.

Change is coming. It's not the change you hoped for, and certainly wished against, but it's too late now.

 

[rdean]

Surprised the President mentioned the world's fastest computer is in China.

 

[daveman]

China has comitted to send men to the moon by 2020.

A half a century after we landed men there. Ooooh. Impressive.

 

[daveman]

The Japanese made good stuff better by their own ingenuity.

The Chicoms just steal and/or buy shit from the most available and gullible political twirp looking for some cash.

In the '50s, America executed such people as spies...Today, we call those spies "Mr. President".

Must have during Nixon as well. He opened up China.

And your arrogance is ignoring the education and skills Chinese workers have.
Blindness caused by arrogance.

We are not number 1 in too many things lately.

Communists don't teach superior technological skills.

If they did, the USSR would've blown America away with their technology during the cold war....If they did, the Chinese wouldn't have needed to bribe the Clintoon administration, in the missile-secrets-for-campaign-booty scam.

Communists are vastly overrated.

Communists don't encourage innovation, because that requires independent thinking. Leftists can't tolerate that.

 

[daveman]

Stupid partisan hackery. China makes ONE accomplishment and then it is game over for the D's. Fact is, there will always be arias that other countries exceed the US in temporarily. Our technology FAR FAR FAR FAR exceeds theirs. You have no CLUE what this nation is capable of doing and I can tell you that it is far beyond China's ONE computer accomplishment.

Don't interrupt their "Communism is awesome!!" wet dream with facts.

 

[daveman]

Named Tianhe-1A, which means "Milky Way" in Mandarin, China's new supercomputer has 168 graphics processing units -- the type of graphics chips used in video games -- and 14,336 Intel CPUs, according to PC World. All of these processors were made by U.S. companies, but they're linked together by new Chinese-invented technology.

China Dethrones US With World's Fastest Supercomputer, the Tianhe-1A

I remember all the right wingers laughing and calling me names when I pointed out the US Air Force built a super computer from play station chips.

One thing the GOP has proven, they know how to nation build.

Millions of jobs moved to China from 2001 to 2008.

US Technology moved to China.

Chinese and Republican supported US Chamber of Commerce seminars on outsourcing American jobs to China.

Subsidies and tax breaks to train Chinese to take over American jobs.

And from all of our training, they put together a better super computer than us based on our own technology. Good Going GOP. You did it!!!!

first- a super computer is no great leap in technology in and of itself.....

second- the chips are made by intel, that is MADE HERE, in Arizona. you know? so we like kind of you know, exported them?

from your link -

All of these processors were made by U.S. companies, but they're linked together by new Chinese-invented technology.

third- China's most favored nation status was made permanent in 2000.......

do you know where the top ten fastest machines reside btw?

Or that Germany, Japan had the fastest at one point too? ...whatever.

In another sign that China is moving up the food chain in manufacturing, Intel said today it has opened its first-ever chip manufacturing plant in Dalian, China.

The $2.5 billion factory, which is the size of bout 23 football fields, will be the first to fabricate microprocessors from raw silicon. Intel has relatively low-tech assembly factories in China (in Chengdu), where automated machines assemble chips into packages and test the final product, but this new factory, known as a wafer fabrication facility, or fab, will make the actual chips. Announced in 2007, the factory is now fully operational.
Intel opens $2.5B chip factory in China | VentureBeat

But after negotiating with the Chinese government and also getting U.S. government approval to produce sophisticated equipment here, Intel said it was simply time to move production of its 300-millimeter wafers to China.

Of course, Intel's facility, which is scheduled to open in 2010

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/26/business/worldbusiness/26iht-chip.5.5034688.html

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Wow, you guys must feel good when you school me. I guess I really learned something.

Tell me, what did YOU learn?

I learned that China can build stuff America designs.

 

[rdean]

Must have during Nixon as well. He opened up China.

And your arrogance is ignoring the education and skills Chinese workers have.
Blindness caused by arrogance.

We are not number 1 in too many things lately.

Communists don't teach superior technological skills.

If they did, the USSR would've blown America away with their technology during the cold war....If they did, the Chinese wouldn't have needed to bribe the Clintoon administration, in the missile-secrets-for-campaign-booty scam.

Communists are vastly overrated.

Communists don't encourage innovation, because that requires independent thinking. Leftists can't tolerate that.

Idiot. Innovation doesn't come from right wingers. They don't support education. Only 6% of scientists are Republican and less than 9% are conservative.

Think about what "conserve" means. It doesn't mean "study, explore, learn". It means "mysticism, feeling threatened, anti-education".

Come on, be honest. Republicans are very close to "allergic" as far as education and science are concerned.

 

[rdean]

first- a super computer is no great leap in technology in and of itself.....

second- the chips are made by intel, that is MADE HERE, in Arizona. you know? so we like kind of you know, exported them?

from your link -

All of these processors were made by U.S. companies, but they're linked together by new Chinese-invented technology.

third- China's most favored nation status was made permanent in 2000.......

do you know where the top ten fastest machines reside btw?

Or that Germany, Japan had the fastest at one point too? ...whatever.

In another sign that China is moving up the food chain in manufacturing, Intel said today it has opened its first-ever chip manufacturing plant in Dalian, China.

The $2.5 billion factory, which is the size of bout 23 football fields, will be the first to fabricate microprocessors from raw silicon. Intel has relatively low-tech assembly factories in China (in Chengdu), where automated machines assemble chips into packages and test the final product, but this new factory, known as a wafer fabrication facility, or fab, will make the actual chips. Announced in 2007, the factory is now fully operational.
Intel opens $2.5B chip factory in China | VentureBeat

But after negotiating with the Chinese government and also getting U.S. government approval to produce sophisticated equipment here, Intel said it was simply time to move production of its 300-millimeter wafers to China.

Of course, Intel's facility, which is scheduled to open in 2010

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/26/business/worldbusiness/26iht-chip.5.5034688.html

--------------------------------------------------------------

Wow, you guys must feel good when you school me. I guess I really learned something.

Tell me, what did YOU learn?

I learned that China can build stuff America designs.

American Democrats design.

 

[daveman]

Communists don't teach superior technological skills.

If they did, the USSR would've blown America away with their technology during the cold war....If they did, the Chinese wouldn't have needed to bribe the Clintoon administration, in the missile-secrets-for-campaign-booty scam.

Communists are vastly overrated.

Communists don't encourage innovation, because that requires independent thinking. Leftists can't tolerate that.

Idiot. Innovation doesn't come from right wingers. They don't support education. Only 6% of scientists are Republican and less than 9% are conservative.

Think about what "conserve" means. It doesn't mean "study, explore, learn". It means "mysticism, feeling threatened, anti-education".

Come on, be honest. Republicans are very close to "allergic" as far as education and science are concerned.

I've got an innovative idea: Stop being a fuckwit. And quit felching Communists, you America-hating piece of shit.

 

[daveman]

American Democrats design.

I noticed you ignored this post:

Developed by scientists and engineers. Not a lot of Republican input.

According to Mother Jones, rocket scientists (i.e., aerospace engineers) contribute to Republicans 72% of the time.

Liberal scientists go for the squishy subjects. Conservative scientists actually do stuff.

Fuckwit.

 

[rdean]

American Democrats design.

I noticed you ignored this post:

Developed by scientists and engineers. Not a lot of Republican input.

According to Mother Jones, rocket scientists (i.e., aerospace engineers) contribute to Republicans 72% of the time.

Liberal scientists go for the squishy subjects. Conservative scientists actually do stuff.

Fuckwit.

For Democrats:
Mathematician 86%
Scientist 81%
Professor 86%
Science Teacher 97%
Biologist 84%

For Republicans
Plastic Surgeon 65% (doesn’t surprise me, talk about "squishy")

Just curious. Which subjects do you think there would be more "conservative" scientists?
I suspect it wouldn't involve:
Evolution
Geology
Plate Tectonics
Biology
Physiology
Botany
Astronomy
Genetics

They all touch on "old earth" and "evolution". Not popular with Republicans. Even you have to admit that.

 

[daveman]

American Democrats design.

I noticed you ignored this post:

According to Mother Jones, rocket scientists (i.e., aerospace engineers) contribute to Republicans 72% of the time.

Liberal scientists go for the squishy subjects. Conservative scientists actually do stuff.

Fuckwit.

For Democrats:
Mathematician 86%
Scientist 81%
Professor 86%
Science Teacher 97%
Biologist 84%

For Republicans
Plastic Surgeon 65% (doesn’t surprise me, talk about "squishy")

Just curious. Which subjects do you think there would be more "conservative" scientists?
I suspect it wouldn't involve:
Evolution
Geology
Plate Tectonics
Biology
Physiology
Botany
Astronomy
Genetics

They all touch on "old earth" and "evolution". Not popular with Republicans. Even you have to admit that.

I'm under no obligation to validate your bigotry. Fuckwit.

 

[DiveCon]

American Democrats design.

I noticed you ignored this post:

According to Mother Jones, rocket scientists (i.e., aerospace engineers) contribute to Republicans 72% of the time.

Liberal scientists go for the squishy subjects. Conservative scientists actually do stuff.

Fuckwit.

For Democrats:
Mathematician 86%
Scientist 81%
Professor 86%
Science Teacher 97%
Biologist 84%

For Republicans
Plastic Surgeon 65% (doesn’t surprise me, talk about "squishy")

Just curious. Which subjects do you think there would be more "conservative" scientists?
I suspect it wouldn't involve:
Evolution
Geology
Plate Tectonics
Biology
Physiology
Botany
Astronomy
Genetics

They all touch on "old earth" and "evolution". Not popular with Republicans. Even you have to admit that.

let me guess, you get those numbers from that same Pew poll you keep misreading

 

[psikeyhackr]

But does it speak Chinese?

psik

 

[rdean]

I noticed you ignored this post:

​

Liberal scientists go for the squishy subjects. Conservative scientists actually do stuff.

Fuckwit.

For Democrats:
Mathematician 86%
Scientist 81%
Professor 86%
Science Teacher 97%
Biologist 84%

For Republicans
Plastic Surgeon 65% (doesn’t surprise me, talk about "squishy")

Just curious. Which subjects do you think there would be more "conservative" scientists?
I suspect it wouldn't involve:
Evolution
Geology
Plate Tectonics
Biology
Physiology
Botany
Astronomy
Genetics

They all touch on "old earth" and "evolution". Not popular with Republicans. Even you have to admit that.

let me guess, you get those numbers from that same Pew poll you keep misreading

No, from the same poll he used to get his "rocket science" numbers. Ahhh ha ha ha, ahhh ha ha ha!

 

[Old Rocks]

I noticed you ignored this post:

​

Liberal scientists go for the squishy subjects. Conservative scientists actually do stuff.

Fuckwit.

For Democrats:
Mathematician 86%
Scientist 81%
Professor 86%
Science Teacher 97%
Biologist 84%

For Republicans
Plastic Surgeon 65% (doesn’t surprise me, talk about "squishy")

Just curious. Which subjects do you think there would be more "conservative" scientists?
I suspect it wouldn't involve:
Evolution
Geology
Plate Tectonics
Biology
Physiology
Botany
Astronomy
Genetics

They all touch on "old earth" and "evolution". Not popular with Republicans. Even you have to admit that.

I'm under no obligation to validate your bigotry. Fuckwit.

LOL. But you already have. Anyone that has any scientific background at all knows of the disdain that the present Conservatives hold for science. Just look at the lies they fabricate to counter the evidence that the scientists are presenting concerning global warming.