A pair of underware on some guys head, does not even compare to the types of torture & murder that Sadam Husien dished out. GITMO--PLEASE! Soccer being played on the field, good warm food, a nice bed along with a copy of the Koran--prayer meetings--living in what is considered a paradise climate,--was much much better than the freezing caves that most of these terrorists came from. Add to that free medical screenings & care the likes of which most Americans never see. If that's what you call torture, then give me some.
it was a lot more than just a pair of underwear on some guys' head and you know it. at least one man died from the abuse he suffered at the hands of the American military while being held in abu grab and many others were humiliated and tortured.
and if you're interested in being treated like the prisoners at Gitmo cool for you. I think the first think you should get is waterboarded. Which I admit I had to look up to see what it was because I had no idea
Waterboarding is a form of torture that consists of immobilizing a person on their back with the head inclined downward and pouring water over the face and into the breathing passages.[1][2] Through forced suffocation and inhalation of water, the subject experiences the process of drowning and is made to believe that death is imminent.[3] In contrast to merely submerging the head face-forward, waterboarding almost immediately elicits the gag reflex.[4] Although waterboarding does not always cause lasting physical damage, it carries the risks of extreme pain, dry drowning, damage to the lungs, brain damage caused by oxygen deprivation, physical injuries (including broken bones) due to struggling against restraints, psychological injury, and, ultimately, death, which may be caused by one of the many possible conditions -- not only drowning -- that are triggered by this behavior.[5] The physical effects of waterboarding can come on even months after the event, and the psychological effects on the victims can last for years.[6]
You guys need to realise that Islamic extremists really do exist. They hate, they will do anything to kill--especially Americans & westerners at every single opportunity. They don't need a reason. It's the holy war concept.
and you guys need to realize that just because they don't value human life doesn't give us the right to act like them. Who are we really if we torture people? we're just as bad as they are, maybe worse, because they make no apologies or excuses for their behavior.
NOPE--the call to come to Iraq was done by none other than Osama Bin Laden along with all his extremist cohurts. NEVER ONCE did OSB say or any other extremist call for the invasion of terrorists/or foreign fighters into Iraq because they believed Americans were torturing Iraqi's.
that's right, you keep believing that it's everyone's fault except our own. I'm sure that gives you some measure of comfort but it's factually inaccurate. OSB said he began to hate America when we invaded Iraq the first time, during Bush 41 presidency. I'm sure the treatment of the Iraqi people only bolsters their cause, if it's not directly responsible for it.
That torture comment/concept came only from people/or Americans who think like you--& never once from any Islamic extremist bent on slaughtering innocents. Now, American opinion has influenced our government into another very bad decision by closing GITMO.
I'm sorry but you're a fucking idiot. You actually believe it's okay to keep people in prison without trial and without legal representation? This is AMERICA you stupid fuck.
You're talking like we're some third world country or something. I do wonder though, when the world gets sick of our tyranny, will you be shocked when they invade us and overtake our government and say they are doing it for the good of the people of this country?
Eventually one of you on this board is going to have to explain--while Osama Bin Laden called for all comrades in arms to head to Iraq, because as he stated: "Iraq is the central front" against the infidels. You will also have to explain that most of these foreign fighters came into Iraq long before the incident at Abu-Graid, where 7 soldiers made the mistake of putting underware on some Iraqi's insurgent's head, taking pictures & sending them around for viewing.
and when exactly did Osama say this? before or after we invaded?
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Bush says SO WHAT that Al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq until after the U.S. invaded. GMAB the man is a lunatic.
But most importantly you all will have to explain: Why hundred's of Iraqi's were slaughtered standing in line for security positions or new jobs--when--as you state--these foreign fighters were just there to "protect" Iraqi's from American torture. This happened on a daily basis, if you remember.
The reason foreign fighters came into the region was to fight the one & only idea they could not stomach. A democracy in the heart of the middle east. Islamic extremists do not believe in freedom. They do not believe citizens have a right to vote. They only believe in radical religious oppression. If anyone gets out of line as to what they believe, they are tortured or killed. Freedom is what they feared most, & they savagely killed thousands of Iraqi's along with Americans & coalition troops to make that point. It had absolutely nothing to do with them thinking we were torturing Iraqi's.
you can defend and spin it anyway you like but the facts are the facts. Those on the right refuse to acknowledge that President Bush and his administration are largely responsible for how hated America is. It started with his father and he finished the job.
