Charlottesville To Remove confederate Statues That Helped Spark Deadly Rally

[wamose]

You'd either have to be a pussy or a troublemaker to make a big deal about Civil War statues. Antifa and BLM qualify. Those two groups are what caused the riot and subsequent death of that girl.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

American Taliban in action. Destroy history.

This is a lie.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Democrats making more American history disappear.

This is a lie.

These symbols of treason, racism, and hate will be relocated to venues where this period of American history will never be forgotten.

Not the history of the Civil War – as these monuments have nothing to do with that conflict – but the history of Jim Crow, black codes, and segregation that conservatives today work so hard to ignore and erase.

The rebels were all exonerated of the fictitious "treason" charge.

And the motivation for the War of Northern Aggression was that the proposition that states had the right to secede from the union- the war was how that matter was adjudicated.

There was plenty of "hate" and segregation all parts of America, that's not what they were fighting over.

War criminals who committed treason deserve no monuments.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Democrats making more American history disappear.

This is a lie.

These symbols of treason, racism, and hate will be relocated to venues where this period of American history will never be forgotten.

Not the history of the Civil War – as these monuments have nothing to do with that conflict – but the history of Jim Crow, black codes, and segregation that conservatives today work so hard to ignore and erase.

As I said: DemoKKKrat History. YOUR History.

Greg

These are monuments to racism and hate, their removal is more than warranted.

 

[TheParser]

Sorry that the statues are being taken down.

They are charming reminders of history. They are also good for tourism, for they add interest to that city.

When people pass them, they will be reminded of history.

Tucked away in a museum, they will be forgotten. Which, I guess, is the purpose.

To compare General Lee with Herr Hitler is a bad comparison. The latter was evil; the former was not.

Of course, in the coming decades, the people of that town will no doubt demand that the statues be removed from the museums and destroyed. That will be their right to do so, of course.

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I have read that one charming street in Richmond is lined with statues. I assume that they will soon be removed too, if they haven't already.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

You'd either have to be a pussy or a troublemaker to make a big deal about Civil War statues. Antifa and BLM qualify. Those two groups are what caused the riot and subsequent death of that girl.

This is a lie.

 

[occupied]

American Taliban in action. Destroy history.

Nobody is destroying history.

The people who abused history are, "Hey, remember those guys who started a half-ass Civil War that got thousands of people killed? Let's put up statues of them!!!"

The statues aren't just about the War of Northern Aggression, but are part of the effort to raise the esteem of the Southern Honky. Much like the statues of Chris Columbus help with the identity of the Italian people.

Denigrating Southerners as "hicks" or "hayseeds" or "crackers" might be fun to the Liberal elite- but it is devastating to the esteem of those who are the butts of their bigotry.

The statues of Lee and Davis, et al, help to raise the spirits of the embattled and belittled Southern Honky.

BTW, were you aware that Southerners- even today- earn significantly less that Yankees for the same work on the average?

Southerners have been conditioned to turn their frustrations on minorities and northerners. Anyone except their own bankers, landlords, mill owners and politicians. I've seen it my whole life. The "lost cause" bullshit plays into wage slavery almost seamlessly.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Democrats making more American history disappear.

No, they are not. See poster CC Jones remarks: "

These symbols of treason, racism, and hate will be relocated to venues where this period of American history will never be forgotten.

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Moreover, those who violated their oath to defend and protect the Constitution, those who betrayed their country and fought against America, those who engaged in treason and war crimes deserve no commemoration.

Indeed, Robert E. Lee, and other active duty military 'Confederates' -------were deserters.
They deserted the U.S. Army. They deserted the United States in its hour of need, despite their oaths.
Worse, they then killed their former comrades in the U.S. military.
And some want those deserters to be painted as heroic exemplars.*

*In fact, Nathan Bedford Forrest, whose statue (and now recently, his corpse) has been removed from Memphis' public space......Forrest commanded the massacre of Union soldiers who had surrendered at Ft.Pillow and had been disarmed. They shot 'em down anyway. And those enraptured by the Lost Cause Myth.....erected a friggin' statue to this guy, who, after the war, started and led the Klu Klux Klan. He should have been hung as a war criminal, like Henry Wirz was.
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There was plenty of "hate" and segregation all parts of America, that's not what they were fighting over

The Confederacy was fighting to preserve their legal ability to hold slaves, and expand the use of them into the new territories the U.S. was absorbing in its westward expansion---Kansas, Texas, etc.

In fact, it has oft been reported on this very venue that the ability to enslave black slaves was written into the chartering constitutions of many if not all of the seceding states. So do this, poster Prince, go google up some of those old Constitutions, read about their intention to enslave.
And then understand that if the secessionist tell you they want to enslave, and then write it into their founding documents.......well, partner, believe them.

A war over the "State's right to secede" is a Lost Cause after-the-fact excuse the South dreamed up so as not to wear the Traitor-to-America label for generations.

IMHO

Google up----'Lost Cause Myth'.

Robert E Lee resigned his US Army commission, dumbass

 

[Lesh]

They are charming reminders of history.

There was nothing "charming" about slavery and that was what Lee fought for.

Yes he was an able soldier and an honorable man but his cause was not

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Yes he was an able soldier and an honorable man but his cause was not

Disagree.

There was nothing ‘honorable’ about the war crimes Lee participated in.

The most egregious and heinous of these crimes was during the Gettysburg campaign when freedmen were captured and returned to slavery, sent deep into the South where no escape or liberation was possible.

This is the odious criminality conservatives seek to venerate.

 

[Polishprince]

Yes he was an able soldier and an honorable man but his cause was not

Disagree.

There was nothing ‘honorable’ about the war crimes Lee participated in.

The most egregious and heinous of these crimes was during the Gettysburg campaign when freedmen were captured and returned to slavery, sent deep into the South where no escape or liberation was possible.

This is the odious criminality conservatives seek to venerate.

You might have a point if this had anything to do with the merits or lack thereof of General Lee.

But it doesn't, as you well know.

This is about minimalizing and demonizing modern Southern Honkies, who earn LESS than the liberal elite even today.

 

[rightwinger]

The Lost Cause did more than turn Robert E Lee into a saint.
They turned a true American hero, Ulysses S Grant into a villain

 

[occupied]

Yes he was an able soldier and an honorable man but his cause was not

Disagree.

There was nothing ‘honorable’ about the war crimes Lee participated in.

The most egregious and heinous of these crimes was during the Gettysburg campaign when freedmen were captured and returned to slavery, sent deep into the South where no escape or liberation was possible.

This is the odious criminality conservatives seek to venerate.

You might have a point if this had anything to do with the merits or lack thereof of General Lee.

But it doesn't, as you well know.

This is about minimalizing and demonizing modern Southern Honkies, who earn LESS than the liberal elite even today.

By any conservative interpretation Southern honkies have no one but themselves to blame for any economic plight they may be having. As long as they have a convenient scapegoat nothing will ever change for the better.

 

[DGS49]

This history-cancelling movement is all based on the presumption that the Civil War (also called the War Between the States) was ENTIRELY about slavery.

Small-minded people...

 

[candycorn]

The statues of Lee and Davis, et al, help to raise the spirits of the embattled and belittled Southern Honky.

Is there any other type of southerner?

 

[rightwinger]

There was nothing "charming" about slavery and that was what Lee fought for.

Lee knew why the Confederacy was formed

He chose to fight for it anyway

 

[rightwinger]

This history-cancelling movement is all based on the presumption that the Civil War (also called the War Between the States) was ENTIRELY about slavery.

Small-minded people...

STATES RIGHTS!

A States right to allow Slavery

 

[JoeB131]

The statues aren't just about the War of Northern Aggression, but are part of the effort to raise the esteem of the Southern Honky. Much like the statues of Chris Columbus help with the identity of the Italian people.

I'm all for taking down statues of Columbus, for the same reason.

Denigrating Southerners as "hicks" or "hayseeds" or "crackers" might be fun to the Liberal elite- but it is devastating to the esteem of those who are the butts of their bigotry.

Then maybe they need to stop acting like hicks or hayseeds or crackers.

BTW, were you aware that Southerners- even today- earn significantly less that Yankees for the same work on the average?

More proof of their stupidity.

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

American Taliban in action. Destroy history.

Nobody is destroying history.

The people who abused history are, "Hey, remember those guys who started a half-ass Civil War that got thousands of people killed? Let's put up statues of them!!!"

The statues aren't just about the War of Northern Aggression, but are part of the effort to raise the esteem of the Southern Honky. Much like the statues of Chris Columbus help with the identity of the Italian people.

Denigrating Southerners as "hicks" or "hayseeds" or "crackers" might be fun to the Liberal elite- but it is devastating to the esteem of those who are the butts of their bigotry.

The statues of Lee and Davis, et al, help to raise the spirits of the embattled and belittled Southern Honky.

BTW, were you aware that Southerners- even today- earn significantly less that Yankees for the same work on the average?

 

[whitehall]

Let's see, if alleged "white supremacists" respect statues dedicated to confederate heroes, logic would dictate that the deadly riot must have been "sparked" by the left. It was alleged that the democrat governor invited or authorized outside thugs to be bussed in and instructed the VSP to stand back and let the fun happen. The liberal media wasn't interested in investigating.