Chaos: Oakland Erupts in Flames Started by OWS Mob

[Dragon]

The protest in Oakland, according to the linked article, involved thousands of people. The vandalism involved "dozens," with no proof that those who committed it were even part of the protest. Even if they were, they certainly do not represent the bulk of it.

Vandalism in a vacant building happens. Using unrelated events to stain a movement you disapprove of also happens. The one is about as contemptible as the other.

 

[GHook93]

Tossing bottles and shooting roman candles at police. Breaking windows, breakng into buildings, spray-painting walls and shuting down the Oakland port.

This isn't peaceful protesting this has become criminal. It's time for the Oakland police to start cracking skulls!

 

[naturegirl]

I say everyone just needs to ignore OWS, the police, the media, the public. They're only hanging around to get attention. They will self implode if they are left alone, they will rape, steal and crap on each other if they don't have anyone noticing them. They'll pack up and go home if they are ignored, sounds like what they're asking for.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Oakland was where the police first started acting violently towards the protesters, and now surprise surprise, there's violence.

So, what are the police supposed to do whenever a mob refuses to follow their lawful orders?

Be prepared. If you escalate against a mob, they escalate back. If you pick a random person off the street they'll tell you that. Oakland police should have expected violence after using violence and should have been prepared to act. This bout of violence follows a fairly long period of peaceful protest on the part of the OWS crowd. What you're seeing now is a mob reaction to violence.

This exact same reaction would have occurred if the police had used violence against the Tea Party.

Wrong, as libtards are usually wrong. The ows idiots started it.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

So, what are the police supposed to do whenever a mob refuses to follow their lawful orders?

Be prepared. If you escalate against a mob, they escalate back. If you pick a random person off the street they'll tell you that. Oakland police should have expected violence after using violence and should have been prepared to act. This bout of violence follows a fairly long period of peaceful protest on the part of the OWS crowd. What you're seeing now is a mob reaction to violence.

This exact same reaction would have occurred if the police had used violence against the Tea Party.

But the police had no reason to use violence against the TP - we followed the law on all occasions.

OWS didn't.

The cops told them to.

They refused.

And, they were forced to obey.

Now, it's not OWS' fault?









Riiiiiiiiight.

Who said it wasn't? I'm saying that the police should have been prepared for this. Keep up.

 

[Si modo]

Oakland was where the police first started acting violently towards the protesters, and now surprise surprise, there's violence.

So, what are the police supposed to do whenever a mob refuses to follow their lawful orders?

The police are expected to follow the law, but that didn't matter to that group of pyromaniacs.

This is all no surprise to me at all.

The OWS clearly never had any intent to follow any law. The violent rhetoric from their supporters is also an obvious red flag.

This is a movement whose fundamental theme is rejection of personal accountability. They can't be responsible for their refusals to follow the law. Escalate the violence, and they STILL can't be accountable for their own violence. And, they are just doing what their supporters (like Bill Ayers, the terrorist pig and piece of shit) wanted from the start.

Violence.

 

[AmericanFirst]

The left wants civil war, that's the truth of it. They think they're fomenting a Marxist revolution and the fruiting of their dream to make America a clone of North Korea, but in fact they are just sparking civil war. The 21% can't win, all they can do is create chaos and bloodshed.

For many of them, I think that's the ultimate goal.

No more than the fringe Militia groups. Most of the OWS are a bunch of scared college kids that are looking out at a fairly bleak future after they were promised that if they worked hard, got good grades, went to a good school, and played by the rules they'd be ok. They're seeing the end of the American dream, and don't have a clue what to do about it.

When they turn violent, you deal with them. Until that point the best thing to do is to recognize they're a symptom and try to get at the cause.

Most of the ows is a bunch of socialist fanatics.

 

[freedombecki]

Oakland was where the police first started acting violently towards the protesters, and now surprise surprise, there's violence.

So, what are the police supposed to do whenever a mob refuses to follow their lawful orders?

Be prepared. If you escalate against a mob, they escalate back. If you pick a random person off the street they'll tell you that. Oakland police should have expected violence after using violence and should have been prepared to act. This bout of violence follows a fairly long period of peaceful protest on the part of the OWS crowd. What you're seeing now is a mob reaction to violence.

This exact same reaction would have occurred if the police had used violence against the Tea Party.

Why are these nutcases burning private property?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Be prepared. If you escalate against a mob, they escalate back. If you pick a random person off the street they'll tell you that. Oakland police should have expected violence after using violence and should have been prepared to act.

I think they did expect violence. leftists are violent by nature. We all knew the Shitters would riot.

This bout of violence follows a fairly long period of peaceful protest on the part of the OWS crowd. What you're seeing now is a mob reaction to violence.

What we see now is the natural state of the left. The left is ALWAYS about hate, always about violence.

Hatred and violence are what define the left, this was inevitable.

This exact same reaction would have occurred if the police had used violence against the Tea Party.

The Tea Party got permits, left when facilities closed, didn't throw rocks and bottles at police, and cooperated.

The Shitters are not the Tea Party. If you figure that the left is a perversion of the human experience, then the idea that the Shitters are a perversion of the Tea Party movement makes sense.

 

[Dragon]

Why are these nutcases burning private property?

"These nutcases" aren't. "Those nutcases" are. Thousands of people protested peacefully. A small group, maybe part of the protest, maybe not, set fire to an abandoned house. Didn't you read the article?

 

[freedombecki]

I say everyone just needs to ignore OWS, the police, the media, the public. They're only hanging around to get attention. They will self implode if they are left alone, they will rape, steal and crap on each other if they don't have anyone noticing them. They'll pack up and go home if they are ignored, sounds like what they're asking for.

It's a little hard for someone watching his business burning down to ignore people responsible for setting it on fire.

 

[Ame®icano]

How anyone can support someone who's hiding behind the mask?

 

[Dr.Traveler]

I think they did expect violence. leftists are violent by nature. We all knew the Shitters would riot.

Extremists are violent by nature. Witness the Militia groups on the Right that were active during the Clinton days and are active now Obama is President. Folks that blew up abortion clinics, planned attacks on police, etc. The problem is that it's harder to recognize an extremist when you're on their end of the spectrum. Then there's also the fact that any protest will attract its share of extremists.

 

[Si modo]

Why are these nutcases burning private property?

"These nutcases" aren't. "Those nutcases" are. Thousands of people protested peacefully. A small group, maybe part of the protest, maybe not, set fire to an abandoned house. Didn't you read the article?

I did.

""We go from having a peaceful movement to now just chaos," said protester Monique Agnew, 40."

....


"Occupy protesters voicing anger over a budget trim that forced the closure of a homeless aid program converged on the empty building where it had been housed. They blocked off city streets with Dumpsters and other large trash bins, starting bonfires that leapt 15-feet in the air.​

[Emphasis added]

 

[Dr.Traveler]

How anyone can support someone who's hiding behind the mask?

That particular mask is a symbol.

 

[naturegirl]

Why are these nutcases burning private property?

"These nutcases" aren't. "Those nutcases" are. Thousands of people protested peacefully. A small group, maybe part of the protest, maybe not, set fire to an abandoned house. Didn't you read the article?

This is what happens when you try to police yourself. This is what happens when you don't follow the law. What are the "group" that set the fires doing that everyone else out there isn't? Breaking the law is breaking the law. If you don't follow the rules why do you think others should?? OWS is responsible for every bit of this.

ETA: More of shifting the blame, the MO of the Dem party these days. Follow the leader if you will. It's always someone else's fault.

 

[Full-Auto]

This

leads to this

And eventually to this

Reap what you sow, America

Its called insurrection and will put down exactly that way. We have a process for change.

 

[Uncensored2008]

No more than the fringe Militia groups.

So you're saying the Shitters are the same as fringe Militia groups?

Could be, but these Militias are pretty much a myth cooked up by the Clinton justice department (Witch Hunter Janet Reno.) The Shitters are real.

Mostt of the OWS are a bunch of scared college kids that are looking out at a fairly bleak future after they were promised that if they worked hard, got good grades, went to a good school, and played by the rules they'd be ok.

Most of them didn't do that.

I heard a Shitter on KFI talking about how he was working on a BA in Literature but had no job prospects,

Well DUH! Get a degree in Engineering, Chemistry, Business, etc. and you'll have no trouble getting a job. Get a degree in "ethnic studies" or some other underwater basket weaving major and you may find it difficult to market your alleged "skills."

They're seeing the end of the American dream, and don't have a clue what to do about it.

The have no clue what the American dream is. They want a hand out, a free ride, and are throwing a temper tantrum at the prospect of having to make their own way in the world.

This festers into hatred of those they think should hand them whatever they want, with no effort on their part. Hatred then drives them to the left.

When they turn violent, you deal with them. Until that point the best thing to do is to recognize they're a symptom and try to get at the cause.

They already turned violent.

I've said since the days I heard the rhetoric of Barack Obama that the left is trying to divide this nation, desires civil war. This is just more evidence.

They are the 21% - they cannot prevail.

 

[Dragon]

I did.

Then in addition to the passages you selectively quoted, you must have read this:

"Organizers in Oakland had viewed the day as a significant victory. Police said that about 7,000 people participated in demonstrations throughout the day that were peaceful except for a few incidents of vandalism."

Like I said, the protest was still peaceful, although it did break the law (civil disobedience always does that). We don't even know for certain that the people who committed the vandalism and arson were part of the protests. Even if they are, they represent only a tiny fraction of it.

 

[bodecea]

Tossing bottles and shooting roman candles at police. Breaking windows, breakng into buildings, spray-painting walls and shuting down the Oakland port.

This isn't peaceful protesting this has become criminal. It's time for the Oakland police to start cracking skulls!

I'm sure that will be effective.