Change the Constitution to Embrace Sharia, per Rauf!

[chanel]

 

[Micky G. Jagger]

I was just trying to get someone to do the work of finding me the source of the quote. Thank you.

 

[DiamondDave]

I was just trying to get someone to do the work of finding me the source of the quote. Thank you.

No... you called it a "bogus quote"

Nice try though

 

[jillian]

In America, we have a Constitution that created a three-branch form of government - legislative, executive and judiciary. The role of the judiciary is to ensure that the other two branches comply with the Constitution. What Muslims want is a judiciary that ensures that the laws are not in conflict with the Quran and the Hadith. Just as the Constitution has gone through interpretations, so does Shariah law.

And Christians also want a judiciary that insures that laws are not in conflict with the bible. Luckily, under our system, neither is particularly relevant and everyone has to learn to live here, following their own beliefs but obeying our laws.

 

[Micky G. Jagger]

There are Jefferson quotes for almost every occasion. He was quite handy at turning a phrase!

It's still a bogus quote and you apparently don't care about truth. Therefore, you are now on my ignore list.

Ooooooooooo... 5 posts in and threatening people with ignore lists already...

Oh... and BTW...

..a wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned.[/url]

You just proved that AllieBaba's quote is bogus.

 

[DiamondDave]

It's still a bogus quote and you apparently don't care about truth. Therefore, you are now on my ignore list.

Ooooooooooo... 5 posts in and threatening people with ignore lists already...

Oh... and BTW...

..a wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned.[/url]

You just proved that AllieBaba's quote is bogus.

There are 2 posted version of the quote with just a couple differing words.. the quote is not bogus "which sall restrain men from injuring one another" is left out of the shortened version of the quote

Nice try though

"With all [our] blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow citizens--a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities."

Still one thing more, fellow-citizens — a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities.

A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.

 

[Micky G. Jagger]

Ooooooooooo... 5 posts in and threatening people with ignore lists already...

Oh... and BTW...

..a wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned.[/url]

You just proved that AllieBaba's quote is bogus.

There are 2 posted version of the quote with just a couple differing words.. the quote is not bogus

Nice try though

Nope, you're wrong.

Removing words from what someone said is bogosity.

 

[Micky G. Jagger]

Unite in common efforts for the common good.

--Thomas Jefferson

 

[DiamondDave]

You just proved that AllieBaba's quote is bogus.

There are 2 posted version of the quote with just a couple differing words.. the quote is not bogus

Nice try though

Nope, you're wrong.

Removing words from what someone said is bogosity.

Um... She did not remove them.. there are indeed 2 versions of the quote commonly seen... both of which you see.. and both of which (even the shortened version) have the exact same meaning behind them

Nice try

 

[DiamondDave]

Unite in common efforts for the common good.

--Thomas Jefferson

Why not show the whole context of the quote where it mentions under the rule of law and according to the rules of the constitution??

 

[Ravi]

RAUF WRITES:

"People asked me right after the 9/11 attack as to why do movements with political agendas carry [Islamic] religious names? Why call it ‘Muslim Brotherhood’ or ‘Hezbollah (Party of Allah)’ or ‘Hamas’ or ‘Islamic Resistance Movement’? I answer them this—that the trend towards Islamic law and justice begins in religious movements,because secularism had failed to deliver what the Muslim wants, which is life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

He said “ The only law that the Muslim needs exists already in the Koran and the Hadith.”

From an article titled “Sharing The Essence Of Our Beliefs” by Feisal Abdul Rauf, Al-Ghad Newspaper in Jordan, 5/9/2009 ÌÑíÏÉ ÇáÛÏ - ÇáÊÔÇÑß Ýí ÌæåÑ ãÚÊÞÏÇÊäÇ

I didn't know you read Arabic, or whatever that is...why exactly would anyone believe YOUR interpretation?

 

[Micky G. Jagger]

There are 2 posted version of the quote with just a couple differing words.. the quote is not bogus

Nice try though

Nope, you're wrong.

Removing words from what someone said is bogosity.

Um... She did not remove them.. there are indeed 2 versions of the quote commonly seen... both of which you see.. and both of which (even the shortened version) have the exact same meaning behind them.

I don't accept excuses, dude.

 

[DiamondDave]

Nope, you're wrong.

Removing words from what someone said is bogosity.

Um... She did not remove them.. there are indeed 2 versions of the quote commonly seen... both of which you see.. and both of which (even the shortened version) have the exact same meaning behind them.

I don't accept excuses, dude.

Excuses??.. .she did not snip the quote... she quoted 1 of 2 readily available versions of the quote that have the same context...

I would give you credit if the shortened version put everything in differing context... this was not the case... or if the quote were significantly altered... or if it were just completely made up

The quote given is not bogus

 

[Ravi]

RAUF WRITES:

"People asked me right after the 9/11 attack as to why do movements with political agendas carry [Islamic] religious names? Why call it ‘Muslim Brotherhood’ or ‘Hezbollah (Party of Allah)’ or ‘Hamas’ or ‘Islamic Resistance Movement’? I answer them this—that the trend towards Islamic law and justice begins in religious movements,because secularism had failed to deliver what the Muslim wants, which is life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

He said “ The only law that the Muslim needs exists already in the Koran and the Hadith.”

From an article titled “Sharing The Essence Of Our Beliefs” by Feisal Abdul Rauf, Al-Ghad Newspaper in Jordan, 5/9/2009 ÌÑíÏÉ ÇáÛÏ - ÇáÊÔÇÑß Ýí ÌæåÑ ãÚÊÞÏÇÊäÇ

I ran it through Google translator and it seems he is saying something different than you are claiming he is saying. It almost sounds as if he *gasp* RESPECTS our constitution. The ******* horror.

You're a twit, Babble. A super twit.

Take a President Barack Obama during his trip to Turkey on Tuesday, the next step to fulfill its promise to address the Muslim world.

وقد قام بعض النقاد بتحذيره: لا تفعل ذلك.​

He has some critics by warning: do not do it.

أعتقد أنهم على خطأ.​

I think they are wrong.

هذا بالضبط هو الشيء الصحيح الذي يجب عمله.​

This is exactly the right thing to do.

وأوباما هو الشخص الصحيح ليفعله.​

Obama is the right person to do.

وسوف يخاطب الرئيس منتدى تحالف الأمم المتحدة للحضارات في اسطنبول كأسلوب للتحدث مباشرة مع المسلمين حول إيجاد أرضية مشتركة للسلام.​

The forum will address the President of the United Nations Alliance of Civilizations in Istanbul as a way to talk directly with the Muslims about finding common ground for peace.

ويقول النقاد أنه يتوجب على أوباما أن لا يحاول إشراك "العالم الإسلامي" لأنه لا يوجد شيء موحَّد.​

Critics say that Obama should not try to engage "the Islamic world" because there is anything in common.

يقولون أن ذلك سوف يعود بالفائدة على طرح أسامة بن لادن لأنه يصور نفسه على أنه حامي "العالم الإسلامي".​

They say it would be beneficial to put Osama bin Laden that portrays itself as the protector of "Islamic World".

ويقولون أن النزاعات في الشرق الأوسط، مع إيران، وداخل العراق وبين الباكستان والهند ليست متجذرة في الدين وإنما هي صراعات علمانية حول الأرض والتأثير والسيطرة.​

They say that the conflicts in the Middle East, with Iran, and inside Iraq and between Pakistan and India are not rooted in religion, but is a secular conflicts over land and influence and control.

قد يكون ذلك صحيحا، ولكن من الصحيح بشكل مماثل أنه حتى لو لم يكن الدين هو سبب هذه النزاعات إلا أنه بالتأكيد في جوهر الحل.​

That may be true, but it is equally true that even if it was not religion is the cause of this conflict but it certainly was at the core of the solution.

وحتى يتسنى فهم ذلك، يتوجب على المرء فهم الدور الذي يلعبه الإسلام في العالم الإسلامي.​

In order to understand this, one must understand the role played by Islam in the Muslim world.

نقول نحن في الولايات المتحدة عندما تكون لدينا شكوى ما: "هذا غير دستوري. يجب أن يكون هناك قانون".​

We say in the United States when we have a complaint: "This is unconstitutional. There must be a law."

إعلان الاستقلال والدستور بالنسبة لنا، وما يرافقهما من قائمة الحقوق، هي جوهر ما نؤمن به.​

Declaration of Independence and the Constitution for us, and accompanied by the list of rights, is the essence of what we believe.

عندما يكون لأحد ما شكوى في الشرق الأوسط، ويقول "أنه يجب أن يكون هناك قانون"، فهو يعرف أن هذا القانون موجود.​

When one of the complaint in the Middle East, says that "there must be a law," he knows that this law exists.

القانون الوحيد الذي يحتاجه المسلم موجود في القرآن الكريم والحديث الشريف.​

The only law that the Muslim needs to exist in the Koran and the Hadith.

لقد سألني الناس مباشرة بعد هجمة الحادي عشر من أيلول/سبتمبر لماذا تتخذ الحركات العديدة ذات الأجندات السياسية أسماء دينية؟​

I have asked people directly after the onslaught of atheist ten of September, why did the movements of the many political agendas, religious names?

لماذا تسمى "الأخوان المسلمين" أو "حزب الله" أو "حماس" أو حركة المقاومة الإسلامية؟​

Why it is called the "Muslim Brotherhood" or "Party of God" or "Hamas" or Islamic Resistance Movement?

أجيبهم أن التوجه الإسلامي نحو القانون والعدالة يبدأ باللغة الدينية لأن الحركات العلمانية قد فشلت في إيصال ما يريده المسلمون، وهو الحياة والحرية والسعي وراء السعادة.​

Ojibam that the trend towards Islamic law and justice begins in religious movements, because secularism had failed to deliver what he wants Muslims, which is life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

وإذا كان ذلك يبدو وكأنه يشبه إعلان الاستقلال بشكل مريب، فذلك لأن القانون الإسلامي والمبادئ الديمقراطية الأمريكية تشترك في أمور عديدة، وذلك على عكس ما يعتقده الكثيرون في الغرب.​

If this seems to be similar to the Declaration of Independence is suspicious, it is because Islamic law and principles of American democracy involved in many things, so contrary to what many think in the West.

لقد كتب توماس جيفرسون بأن الخالق جل وعلا أعطى الإنسان حقوقاً لا يمكن عزلها.​

Thomas Jefferson wrote that the Creator God Almighty has given human rights can not be isolated.

وكتب هؤلاء الذين أعدّوا الدستور أنهم يقومون بإرساء قواعد العدالة ويضمنون الهدوء والسكينة في الداخل ويشجعون الازدهار العام ويؤمّنون بركات الحرية.​

Those who wrote the Constitution they are prepared to lay the rules of justice and ensure peace and tranquility at home and encourage prosperity and believe in the blessings of freedom.

وبالأسلوب نفسه، يؤمن القانون الإسلامي بأن الله تعالى أمر بالعدالة السياسية والعدل الاقتصادي ومساعدة الضعيف والفقير.​

And in the same way, he believes Islamic law that Allah is the political justice, economic justice and helping the weak and the poor.

وهذه مفاهيم إسلامية عميقة.​

These concepts of Islamic deep.

يعتقد العديد من المسلمين أن ما يحصل عليه المسلمون من حكومتهم هو في الواقع نفس المادة التي يجب أن توفرها الدولة الإسلامية والإيمان الأمريكي في الحرية الشخصية وكرامة الفرد هي مبادئ إسلامية كذلك.​

Many Muslims believe that what is happening by the Muslims from their government is in fact the same article, which must be provided by the State and the Islamic faith in the American personal freedom and individual dignity are the Islamic principles as well.

أرسل أوباما موجة من الصدمة عبر العالم الإسلامي عندما استشهد بالحديث الشريف في فطور الصلاة الوطنية في الخامس من شباط/فبراير، ومفاده أن أحداً منكم لا يعتبر مؤمناً حتى يتمنى لأخيه ما يتمناه لنفسه.​

Obama sent a wave of shock across the Muslim world by quoting the noble Hadith in the National Prayer Breakfast on the fifth of February, and that none of you is not a believer until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.

وقد ساوى الرئيس بين عقيدة الإسلام وقول السيد المسيح "أحب جارك كنفسك"، ووصية التوراة اليهودية "ما هو مكروه لديكم، لا تفعلوه تجاه أخوكم في الإنسانية".​

The president equated between the doctrine of Islam and the words of Jesus Christ "love thy neighbor as thyself", and the Jewish Torah commandment of "What is hateful to you, not to do by your brother in humanity".

يبرز استخدام رئيس أميركي لغة الإسلام ليظهر تماشيها مع القيم الأميركية واليهودية والمسيحية رسالته ويضخمها مائة مرة بين المسلمين.​

U.S. president highlights the use of the language of Islam to show they are consistent with American values and Jewish and Christian mission and magnified a hundred times among the Muslims.

فيما يستمد أسامة بن لادن قوته من النقاش بأن الولايات المتحدة تحاول فرض القيم الغربية على العالم الإسلامي مما يؤدي إلى دمار الإسلام.​

With draws Osama bin Laden is powered by the debate that the United States is trying to impose Western values on the Islamic world, leading to the destruction of Islam.

وقد وقعت الولايات المتحدة مرات عديدة ضحية لطرحه هذا.​

The United States has signed many times the victim to be put to this.

ما يستطيع أوباما عمله هو أن يقلب هذا الطرح.​

What Obama can do is to turn this approach.

يستطيع أن يؤكد على عمومية القيم الغربية والإسلامية، ويستطيع القول أنه إذا استطاعت الولايات المتحدة أن تصون قيم إعلان الاستقلال والدستور ولائحة الحقوق، وإذا استطاع المسلمون صون مبادئ الشريعة الإسلامية، فسوف نجد أن أمامنا نقاط أقل من النزاع، وأرضية مشتركة أكثر.​

Can confirm the universality of Western values and Islamic, and can say that if the United States to safeguard the values of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and if the Muslims managed the maintenance of the principles of Islamic law, we will find that we have fewer points of conflict, and more common ground.

وعندما يتم تأسيس هذه الأمور المشتركة لن يخاف المسلمون بعد الآن من الهيمنة الغربية، ولن يخاف الغرب بعد ذلك من التوسع الإسلامي.​

When this is established in common Muslims will not be afraid anymore of Western domination, not afraid of the West after the expansion of Islam.

يمكن وقتها وضع "صدام الحضارات" الزائف للاختبار.​

Could then develop a "clash of civilizations" narrative of the test.​

Google Translate

 

[Jack Fate]

Any proponent of Sharia Law in the USA is un-American and an enemy.

 

[Ravi]

Any proponent of Sharia Law in the USA is un-American and an enemy.

If you could actually read and think for yourself you'd realize this guy is not a proponent of Sharia law in the USA.

 

[Micky G. Jagger]

The Declaration of Independence recognizes Sharia Law.

 

[daveman]

Unite in common efforts for the common good.

--Thomas Jefferson

Why not show the whole context of the quote where it mentions under the rule of law and according to the rules of the constitution??

He left some words out? That's bogosity, man. Heinous bogosity!

 

[daveman]

The Declaration of Independence recognizes Sharia Law.

 

[Micky G. Jagger]

Sharia is God's law. The Declaration of Independence says God's law gives a people the right to a separate and equal station among the powers of the earth.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.​

--Declaration of Independence​

The Declaration is based on Sharia.