Chain Rection: The Impact of Race, Rights, and Taxes on American Politics

[JoeB131]

Israelis do their own fighting. Jews do everything well. In the Near East we were not fighting for Israel. We were fighting for petroleum.

Bullsht. Are you really this naive?

We had no problem with Iraq taking over Kuwait until AIPAC told us we did.

They saw an opportunity to get rid of Saddam and they took it.

 

[Hector12]

Bullsht. Are you really this naive?

We had no problem with Iraq taking over Kuwait until AIPAC told us we did.

They saw an opportunity to get rid of Saddam and they took it.

The Saudis supported us in that war because they thought that if Saddam got away with the conquest of Kuwait, he would try to conquer Saudi Arabia.

 

[JoeB131]

The Saudis supported us in that war because they thought that if Saddam got away with the conquest of Kuwait, he would try to conquer Saudi Arabia.

But the Saudis supported Saddam for years.

It was the Zionists in Washington who pushed for a war that frankly, wasn't any of our business

 

[Hector12]

But the Saudis supported Saddam for years.

It was the Zionists in Washington who pushed for a war that frankly, wasn't any of our business

I did not care about Kuwait. I cared about Israel. My scenario for the near future was that if Saddam got away with the conquest of Kuwait he would go for Saudia Arabia, spread Saudia's oil around and raise an army to destroy Israel.

I wanted Iraq to be beaten into the sand, and Saddam to be discredited as an Arab leader. That is what did happen. The prosperity of the 1990's was due to a number of reasons. One is that the Saudi's thanked us by lowering the price of petroleum.

The War in the Gulf was a splendid good war. With little finanancial expense, and few casualties we inflicted enormous destruction on Iraq, killed several hundred thousand Iraqi soldiers, and assured the safety and well being of Israel. The Israelis proceeded to push more Palestinians out of the West Bank.

 

[JoeB131]

I did not care about Kuwait. I cared about Israel. My scenario for the near future was that if Saddam got away with the conquest of Kuwait he would go for Saudia Arabia, spread Saudia's oil around and raise an army to destroy Israel.

Exactly my point. The Jews convinced everyone that Saddam was out to Get Israel, and had to go.

If Israel didn't run out foreign policy, we wouldn't give a shit who controlled the oil fields. We'd still need to buy it, and they'd still need to sell it.

 

[Hector12]

Exactly my point. The Jews convinced everyone that Saddam was out to Get Israel, and had to go.

If Israel didn't run out foreign policy, we wouldn't give a shit who controlled the oil fields. We'd still need to buy it, and they'd still need to sell it.

 

[JoeB131]

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The Zionist Entity is unsustainable. The Iranians know this.

Iran now has hegemony over Iraq (maybe toppling Saddam wasn't such a good idea), Syria, Lebanon, and a large part of Yemen.

And now the Jews are trying to manipulate us into going to war with Iran for them.

We'll lose.

 

[Hector12]

The Zionist Entity is unsustainable. The Iranians know this.

Iran now has hegemony over Iraq (maybe toppling Saddam wasn't such a good idea), Syria, Lebanon, and a large part of Yemen.

And now the Jews are trying to manipulate us into going to war with Iran for them.

We'll lose.

We'll see. The Iranian government is unpopular with a large segment of the Iranian population. It is not in a good position to fight a war.

 

[JoeB131]

We'll see. The Iranian government is unpopular with a large segment of the Iranian population. It is not in a good position to fight a war.

Okay, if you really need to believe that. I've been hearing this shit since they threw out the Shah.

 

[Hector12]

An abridgment of Chain Reaction, that appeared in the Atlantic, can be found here:


When the official subject
is presidential politics, taxes, welfare,
crime, rights, or values . . .
the real subject is

Race​

by Thomas Byrne Edsall with Mary D. Edsall

Race - 91.05

Atlantic Unbound: The Atlantic Monthly Magazine Online

www.theatlantic.com

If the Democratic Party had learned from what Mr. and Mrs. Edsall have to say, Trump would never have been elected president.

 

[Hector12]

Bullsht. Are you really this naive?

We had no problem with Iraq taking over Kuwait until AIPAC told us we did.

They saw an opportunity to get rid of Saddam and they took it.

Bush I saw the advantage of keeping Saddam in power, although discredited, to counter Iran. His foolish son got rid of Saddam. A better policy would have been to reestablish a clandestine alliance with Saddam, like we did when he invaded Iran.

 

[JoeB131]

An abridgment of Chain Reaction, that appeared in the Atlantic, can be found here:


When the official subject
is presidential politics, taxes, welfare,
crime, rights, or values . . .
the real subject is

Race​

by Thomas Byrne Edsall with Mary D. Edsall

Race - 91.05

Atlantic Unbound: The Atlantic Monthly Magazine Online

www.theatlantic.com

If the Democratic Party had learned from what Mr. and Mrs. Edsall have to say, Trump would never have been elected president.

TLR.

Here's the problem with your position. That Democrats should sell out black people in order to get more racist whites to vote for them.

First, it doesn't work. White people are almost always going to be kind of awful. Shit, 63% of them voted for Trump this time, knowing he's a complete goon.

Secondly, it isn't the right thing to do. The right thing to do is to work for equality and fairness. Always.

In short, you go home with the one who took you to the dance. (Oh, wait, you probably never got invited to the dance.)

 

[JoeB131]

Bush I saw the advantage of keeping Saddam in power, although discredited, to counter Iran. His foolish son got rid of Saddam. A better policy would have been to reestablish a clandestine alliance with Saddam, like we did when he invaded Iran.

Naw, a better policy would be to take all the money we spend propping up the Zionist Entity and playing hall monitor in the middle east, and invest it in alternative energy and infrastructure.

This is EXACTLY what the Chinese are doing. They are beating the pants off of us right now.

 

[Hector12]

TLR.

Here's the problem with your position. That Democrats should sell out black people in order to get more racist whites to vote for them.

First, it doesn't work. White people are almost always going to be kind of awful. Shit, 63% of them voted for Trump this time, knowing he's a complete goon.

Secondly, it isn't the right thing to do. The right thing to do is to work for equality and fairness. Always.

When most Negroes were not allowed to vote, the Democrats dominated the United States.

 

[JoeB131]

When most Negroes were not allowed to vote, the Democrats dominated the United States.

No, they didn't.

From 1865-1932, they only held the WH for about 16 of those years.

From 1932 - 1968, they were part of the Democratic Coalition

1968 onwards, White people voted against their own economic interests due to racial, religious and sexual fears. And we've watched the middle class slowly melt away.

 

[Hector12]

No, they didn't.

From 1865-1932, they only held the WH for about 16 of those years.

From 1932 - 1968, they were part of the Democratic Coalition

1968 onwards, White people voted against their own economic interests due to racial, religious and sexual fears. And we've watched the middle class slowly melt away.

From 1933 to 1965 there were various ways in the South that effectively prevented most Negroes from vote. The New Deal was popular among Southern whites and working class whites because they could vote Democrat without voting for equality with Negroes. The Voting Rights Act of 1965, which was soon followed by a major black ghetto riot in Watts, was passed to enable Negroes to vote.

Did you notice that black ghetto riots followed the passing of major civil rights laws? Most whites did.

 

[Hector12]

But the Saudis supported Saddam for years.

It was the Zionists in Washington who pushed for a war that frankly, wasn't any of our business

It is always our business to protect Israel. That is why we always do.

 

[hadit]

Not as long as you think. You need to look up "Debt Peonage". It was how the Inbreds got around the 13th Amendment. Essentially, you'd arrest a black person for a petty offense such as walking along the railroad tracks trying to head north for some of those sweet industrial jobs. (Yes, that was actually a crime at one time.) You would then sell his debt to a private concern that he would have to work off, but surprise, they owner would then add the cost of room and board and food so the person would never get ahead of his debt. This wonderful video explains the practice in detail.



It wasn't ended until 1942, and only then because the US realized we really couldn't rag on the Axis Powers for concentration camps when we were doing something almost as bad. One could even argue that prison labor today is a continuation of the practice.

And which candidate in this campaign is famous for...wait for it...imprisoning black men for nonviolent drug offenses, then keeping them incarcerated after they were supposed to be released because they provided cheap labor?

Somehow, that's different.

 

[JoeB131]

From 1933 to 1965 there were various ways in the South that effectively prevented most Negroes from vote. The New Deal was popular among Southern whites and working class whites because they could vote Democrat without voting for equality with Negroes. The Voting Rights Act of 1965, which was soon followed by a major black ghetto riot in Watts, was passed to enable Negroes to vote.

Did you notice that black ghetto riots followed the passing of major civil rights laws? Most whites did.

Naw, what followed was black people getting sick of white people's shit.

MLK was murdered, Malcolm X was murdered, thousands of black boys were being shipped off the Vietnam while white kids like Trump and Rush Limbaugh were getting deferrments. That's why they rioted.

They had quite enough.

 

[Hector12]

Naw, what followed was black people getting sick of white people's shit.

MLK was murdered, Malcolm X was murdered, thousands of black boys were being shipped off the Vietnam while white kids like Trump and Rush Limbaugh were getting deferrments. That's why they rioted.

They had quite enough.

Malcolm X was murdered by Black Muslims. The killing of Martin Luther King was not the fault of the store owners whose stores were looted and burned. The black ghetto riots only began after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed into law and the War on Poverty was declared. Because of the black ghetto riots, Nixon was elected in 1968, and the War in Vietnam continued until 1975.

White backlash happened because whites had had enough of black crime and welfare expense.