Catholic veneration of Mary

[guno]

Does the Hebrew Word Alma Really Mean “Virgin”?
no, because the goy mistranslated the Hebrew word

Does the Hebrew Word Alma Really Mean “Virgin”? | Outreach Judaism

70 Greek scholars mistranslated virgin from Isaiah 53

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The problem is what I showed Starkey , the verse in Luke where Jesus is telling them to write (plagiarize) him into the OT to fulfill the verses so they took Isaiah 7&9 which is about King Hezekiah as the son & sign given Ahaz and reinvented the word young woman to fit their virgin claim. This was done to fulfill other cultures which had miracle virgin births, namely the characters they plagiarized from. This is how they create an image and mask a former failing image (Baal) and appease all cultures they wish to subvert through their authority over this new one world compiled religion.

Many bible passages have duel meaning
What Chapter and verse are you referring to in the Book of Luke
You're really not picking on a Bible scholar there.
My dog knows more about Sunday School than jake knows about the Bible.

sorry goy, the Tanakh doesn't have anything to do with you goyim, never did and never will

 

[HaShev]

I want to elaborate and give examples to this that I wrote;
>>the plagiarism is exposed with comical attempts at placement done revealing with it errors by not knowing Hebrew or Judaic precepts.

example:in Matthew they are trying to place Jesus in Micah 5 to fulfill him in scriptures.
The problem is the gender is wrong to be about a town and the context talks about a lineage thus uses the word "clan".
"BETHLEHEM EPHRATAH" is a Person not a town, Micah 5 is about coming out of his clan (lineage) not a town. The sage writing in the name of Matthew was not Jewish to know lineage of EPHRATAH father or grandson of Bethlehem in historical context, nor how to read Hebrew (genders), he simply wanted to fallaciously place Jesus in scripture in order to deceive. Someone written into the book needs no help, no lie. It should be as
obvious as a first and last name embedded everywhere you expect it to be especially when prerequisites requires and says it is there openly.

 

[Compost]

There is a natural human impulse to venerate the feminine aspect of our human nature. People have a very high opinion of virgins, who are considered pure and chaste and sinless, and also a very high opinion of mothers, who are unconditionally generous and loving to their children. A woman who is both virgin and mother is the ultimate female person, to be placed in heaven above all others.

In the Catholic religion, Mary is considered a kind of general of God's army, and all the saints and angels report to her. Prayers to Mary are considered especially effective, because Jesus Christ is bound by the Fourth Commandment to honor her requests, as can be seen in the story of the Wedding at Cana.

Bible Gateway passage: John 2:1-12 - English Standard Version

An important element in veneration of Mary is recognizing that she humbly submitted herself to God's will.

Hail Mary full of grace
the Lord is with thee
blessed art thou among women
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus
Holy Mary, mother of God
pray for us sinners
now and at the hour of our death
Amen

 

[HaShev]

There is a natural human impulse to venerate the feminine aspect of our human nature. People have a very high opinion of virgins, who are considered pure and chaste and sinless, and also a very high opinion of mothers, who are unconditionally generous and loving to their children. A woman who is both virgin and mother is the ultimate female person, to be placed in heaven above all others.

In the Catholic religion, Mary is considered a kind of general of God's army, and all the saints and angels report to her. Prayers to Mary are considered especially effective, because Jesus Christ is bound by the Fourth Commandment to honor her requests, as can be seen in the story of the Wedding at Cana.

Bible Gateway passage: John 2:1-12 - English Standard Version

An important element in veneration of Mary is recognizing that she humbly submitted herself to God's will.

Hail Mary full of grace
the Lord is with thee
blessed art thou among women
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus
Holy Mary, mother of God
pray for us sinners
now and at the hour of our death
Amen

I don't think you get it, Jesus is not a historical figure, he's compiled of many figures and mythologies.
The mothers of deities farce is borrowed mythologies including the
mother (Isis) and Baby (Horus) statues.
Mary is NOT the mother of the Galilean christ in Herod and Lysanias' era, nor the mother of the River Jordan Christ in the AD era.
Mary is the mother of Yeshu of 100bc, the widows mite coin story is a Janbaeus Alexander coin of 100BC. Yeshu's mentor Rabbi Yohoshua Ben Parachya is from 100bc, Salome Yeshu's relative friend and follower was Jannaeus Alexander's wife of 100bc.
MARY IS NOT in the AD era. You were warned by John of Patmos of the Harlot church, Mary was the one who had Yeshu through a fling with a Roman soldier named Pantheras (Panderas)=she was the Harlot.
They placed Jesus lineage through all the Harlots in the Bible, didn't you notice that?
This is what I mean about comical errors that occur through plagiarism and placement into text, they did so creating a harlot induced lineage. That's how stupid or evil they truly were.

sources:
Matthew mentions four sinful harlot women of the bible conveniently and coincidentally in the Joseph genealogy:
1) (Genesis 38:12-19) Tamar who was the one who disguised herself as a harlot to seduce her father-in-law Judah.
2) (Joshua 2:1) Rahab who was a harlot living in the city of Jericho. And note wasn’t even of Jewish lineage, she was a Canaanite. The creators of the legend/image icon in trying to create his lineage and plagiarizing the OT goofed this one big time.
3) (Ruth 3:1-14) Ruth who was the one through her mother-in-law Naomi's request, came secretly to where Boaz was sleeping and spent the night with him. Later Ruth and Boaz were married.
4) (2 Samuel 11:2-5) Bathsheba was the controversial one who became pregnant by King David while she was still married to Uriah.

In Matthew 1:19 he states Joseph didn't want to expose her to public disgrace, so he had a mind to divorce her (Mary) quietly (as to not get her stoned).

 

[Compost]

There is a natural human impulse to venerate the feminine aspect of our human nature. People have a very high opinion of virgins, who are considered pure and chaste and sinless, and also a very high opinion of mothers, who are unconditionally generous and loving to their children. A woman who is both virgin and mother is the ultimate female person, to be placed in heaven above all others.

In the Catholic religion, Mary is considered a kind of general of God's army, and all the saints and angels report to her. Prayers to Mary are considered especially effective, because Jesus Christ is bound by the Fourth Commandment to honor her requests, as can be seen in the story of the Wedding at Cana.

Bible Gateway passage: John 2:1-12 - English Standard Version

An important element in veneration of Mary is recognizing that she humbly submitted herself to God's will.

Hail Mary full of grace
the Lord is with thee
blessed art thou among women
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus
Holy Mary, mother of God
pray for us sinners
now and at the hour of our death
Amen

I don't think you get it, Jesus is not a historical figure, he's compiled of many figures and mythologies.
The mothers of deities farce is borrowed mythologies including the
mother (Isis) and Baby (Horus) statues.
Mary is NOT the mother of the Galilean christ in Herod and Lysanias' era, nor the mother of the River Jordan Christ in the AD era.
Mary is the mother of Yeshu of 100bc, the widows mite coin story is a Janbaeus Alexander coin of 100BC. Yeshu's mentor Rabbi Yohoshua Ben Parachya is from 100bc, Salome Yeshu's relative friend and follower was Jannaeus Alexander's wife of 100bc.
MARY IS NOT in the AD era. You were warned by John of Patmos of the Harlot church, Mary was the one who had Yeshu through a fling with a Roman soldier named Pantheras (Panderas)=she was the Harlot.
They placed Jesus lineage through all the Harlots in the Bible, didn't you notice that?
This is what I mean about comical errors that occur through plagiarism and placement into text, they did so creating a harlot induced lineage. That's how stupid or evil they truly were.

sources:
Matthew mentions four sinful harlot women of the bible conveniently and coincidentally in the Joseph genealogy:
1) (Genesis 38:12-19) Tamar who was the one who disguised herself as a harlot to seduce her father-in-law Judah.
2) (Joshua 2:1) Rahab who was a harlot living in the city of Jericho. And note wasn’t even of Jewish lineage, she was a Canaanite. The creators of the legend/image icon in trying to create his lineage and plagiarizing the OT goofed this one big time.
3) (Ruth 3:1-14) Ruth who was the one through her mother-in-law Naomi's request, came secretly to where Boaz was sleeping and spent the night with him. Later Ruth and Boaz were married.
4) (2 Samuel 11:2-5) Bathsheba was the controversial one who became pregnant by King David while she was still married to Uriah.

In Matthew 1:19 he states Joseph didn't want to expose her to public disgrace, so he had a mind to divorce her (Mary) quietly (as to not get her stoned).

You are wrong. I "get" what you said. Speaking of Matthew, he writes, don't throw your pearls to pigs. They will stomp on them then turn and attack you.

 

[BreezeWood]

There is a natural human impulse to venerate the feminine aspect of our human nature. People have a very high opinion of virgins, who are considered pure and chaste and sinless, and also a very high opinion of mothers, who are unconditionally generous and loving to their children. A woman who is both virgin and mother is the ultimate female person, to be placed in heaven above all others.

In the Catholic religion, Mary is considered a kind of general of God's army, and all the saints and angels report to her. Prayers to Mary are considered especially effective, because Jesus Christ is bound by the Fourth Commandment to honor her requests, as can be seen in the story of the Wedding at Cana.

Bible Gateway passage: John 2:1-12 - English Standard Version

An important element in veneration of Mary is recognizing that she humbly submitted herself to God's will.

Hail Mary full of grace
the Lord is with thee
blessed art thou among women
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus
Holy Mary, mother of God
pray for us sinners
now and at the hour of our death
Amen

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An important element in veneration of Mary is recognizing that she humbly submitted herself to God's will.

... she humbly submitted herself to God's will.

and if she hadn't, to remain a virgin for her future spouse if that was her intent she would not likewise be venerated - and another gal that does't wait as Mary did not is any different ...

You are wrong. I "get" what you said.

not the jew though related ... submission to an unsolicited pregnancy relating to virginity in the choice is venerable and something of value - for christians.


* more like another madeup story for popular consumption benefiting a minority of unsympathetic people.

.

 

[Compost]

There is a natural human impulse to venerate the feminine aspect of our human nature. People have a very high opinion of virgins, who are considered pure and chaste and sinless, and also a very high opinion of mothers, who are unconditionally generous and loving to their children. A woman who is both virgin and mother is the ultimate female person, to be placed in heaven above all others.

In the Catholic religion, Mary is considered a kind of general of God's army, and all the saints and angels report to her. Prayers to Mary are considered especially effective, because Jesus Christ is bound by the Fourth Commandment to honor her requests, as can be seen in the story of the Wedding at Cana.

Bible Gateway passage: John 2:1-12 - English Standard Version

An important element in veneration of Mary is recognizing that she humbly submitted herself to God's will.

Hail Mary full of grace
the Lord is with thee
blessed art thou among women
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus
Holy Mary, mother of God
pray for us sinners
now and at the hour of our death
Amen

.

An important element in veneration of Mary is recognizing that she humbly submitted herself to God's will.

... she humbly submitted herself to God's will.

and if she hadn't, to remain a virgin for her future spouse if that was her intent she would not likewise be venerated - and another gal that does't wait as Mary did not is any different ...

You are wrong. I "get" what you said.

not the jew though related ... submission to an unsolicited pregnancy relating to virginity in the choice is venerable and something of value - for christians.


* more like another madeup story for popular consumption benefiting a minority of unsympathetic people.

.

Hello Breezewood. Thanks for sharing that you don't share the Catholic faith and have to interest in learning about it.

 

[BreezeWood]

There is a natural human impulse to venerate the feminine aspect of our human nature. People have a very high opinion of virgins, who are considered pure and chaste and sinless, and also a very high opinion of mothers, who are unconditionally generous and loving to their children. A woman who is both virgin and mother is the ultimate female person, to be placed in heaven above all others.

In the Catholic religion, Mary is considered a kind of general of God's army, and all the saints and angels report to her. Prayers to Mary are considered especially effective, because Jesus Christ is bound by the Fourth Commandment to honor her requests, as can be seen in the story of the Wedding at Cana.

Bible Gateway passage: John 2:1-12 - English Standard Version

An important element in veneration of Mary is recognizing that she humbly submitted herself to God's will.

Hail Mary full of grace
the Lord is with thee
blessed art thou among women
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus
Holy Mary, mother of God
pray for us sinners
now and at the hour of our death
Amen

.

An important element in veneration of Mary is recognizing that she humbly submitted herself to God's will.

... she humbly submitted herself to God's will.

and if she hadn't, to remain a virgin for her future spouse if that was her intent she would not likewise be venerated - and another gal that does't wait as Mary did not is any different ...

You are wrong. I "get" what you said.

not the jew though related ... submission to an unsolicited pregnancy relating to virginity in the choice is venerable and something of value - for christians.


* more like another madeup story for popular consumption benefiting a minority of unsympathetic people.

.

Hello Breezewood. Thanks for sharing that you don't share the Catholic faith and have to interest in learning about it.

.

Thanks for sharing that you don't share the Catholic faith and have to interest in learning about it.

no thanks for making up a story and imposing it on humanity - at least the historical record of your religion.

and making it inclusive for everyone rather than for a self congratulatory few.

.

 

[HaShev]

There is a natural human impulse to venerate the feminine aspect of our human nature. People have a very high opinion of virgins, who are considered pure and chaste and sinless, and also a very high opinion of mothers, who are unconditionally generous and loving to their children. A woman who is both virgin and mother is the ultimate female person, to be placed in heaven above all others.

In the Catholic religion, Mary is considered a kind of general of God's army, and all the saints and angels report to her. Prayers to Mary are considered especially effective, because Jesus Christ is bound by the Fourth Commandment to honor her requests, as can be seen in the story of the Wedding at Cana.

Bible Gateway passage: John 2:1-12 - English Standard Version

An important element in veneration of Mary is recognizing that she humbly submitted herself to God's will.

Hail Mary full of grace
the Lord is with thee
blessed art thou among women
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus
Holy Mary, mother of God
pray for us sinners
now and at the hour of our death
Amen

I don't think you get it, Jesus is not a historical figure, he's compiled of many figures and mythologies.
The mothers of deities farce is borrowed mythologies including the
mother (Isis) and Baby (Horus) statues.
Mary is NOT the mother of the Galilean christ in Herod and Lysanias' era, nor the mother of the River Jordan Christ in the AD era.
Mary is the mother of Yeshu of 100bc, the widows mite coin story is a Janbaeus Alexander coin of 100BC. Yeshu's mentor Rabbi Yohoshua Ben Parachya is from 100bc, Salome Yeshu's relative friend and follower was Jannaeus Alexander's wife of 100bc.
MARY IS NOT in the AD era. You were warned by John of Patmos of the Harlot church, Mary was the one who had Yeshu through a fling with a Roman soldier named Pantheras (Panderas)=she was the Harlot.
They placed Jesus lineage through all the Harlots in the Bible, didn't you notice that?
This is what I mean about comical errors that occur through plagiarism and placement into text, they did so creating a harlot induced lineage. That's how stupid or evil they truly were.

sources:
Matthew mentions four sinful harlot women of the bible conveniently and coincidentally in the Joseph genealogy:
1) (Genesis 38:12-19) Tamar who was the one who disguised herself as a harlot to seduce her father-in-law Judah.
2) (Joshua 2:1) Rahab who was a harlot living in the city of Jericho. And note wasn’t even of Jewish lineage, she was a Canaanite. The creators of the legend/image icon in trying to create his lineage and plagiarizing the OT goofed this one big time.
3) (Ruth 3:1-14) Ruth who was the one through her mother-in-law Naomi's request, came secretly to where Boaz was sleeping and spent the night with him. Later Ruth and Boaz were married.
4) (2 Samuel 11:2-5) Bathsheba was the controversial one who became pregnant by King David while she was still married to Uriah.

In Matthew 1:19 he states Joseph didn't want to expose her to public disgrace, so he had a mind to divorce her (Mary) quietly (as to not get her stoned).

You are wrong. I "get" what you said. Speaking of Matthew, he writes, don't throw your pearls to pigs. They will stomp on them then turn and attack you.

1)the church admits the apostles never wrote the books in their name, and I showed how the writer couldn't even be Jewish by his bungling Hebrew and Micah 5 when plagiarizing it.
2)you said
>>don't throw your pearls to pigs.
This means your NT tells you to call people pigs who you can't refute or you disagree with, and that is a cult way of avoiding unpopular truth and to maintain the lies.
So do you always call Rabbis pigs or just us Jews in general?
3) your church founders which created the name for their compiled idol used the greek term IeSous(Jesus)=the swine.
No Jewish parent would use that name or use Greek for their "Hebrew" named child.

 

[Compost]

There is a natural human impulse to venerate the feminine aspect of our human nature. People have a very high opinion of virgins, who are considered pure and chaste and sinless, and also a very high opinion of mothers, who are unconditionally generous and loving to their children. A woman who is both virgin and mother is the ultimate female person, to be placed in heaven above all others.

In the Catholic religion, Mary is considered a kind of general of God's army, and all the saints and angels report to her. Prayers to Mary are considered especially effective, because Jesus Christ is bound by the Fourth Commandment to honor her requests, as can be seen in the story of the Wedding at Cana.

Bible Gateway passage: John 2:1-12 - English Standard Version

An important element in veneration of Mary is recognizing that she humbly submitted herself to God's will.

Hail Mary full of grace
the Lord is with thee
blessed art thou among women
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus
Holy Mary, mother of God
pray for us sinners
now and at the hour of our death
Amen

I don't think you get it, Jesus is not a historical figure, he's compiled of many figures and mythologies.
The mothers of deities farce is borrowed mythologies including the
mother (Isis) and Baby (Horus) statues.
Mary is NOT the mother of the Galilean christ in Herod and Lysanias' era, nor the mother of the River Jordan Christ in the AD era.
Mary is the mother of Yeshu of 100bc, the widows mite coin story is a Janbaeus Alexander coin of 100BC. Yeshu's mentor Rabbi Yohoshua Ben Parachya is from 100bc, Salome Yeshu's relative friend and follower was Jannaeus Alexander's wife of 100bc.
MARY IS NOT in the AD era. You were warned by John of Patmos of the Harlot church, Mary was the one who had Yeshu through a fling with a Roman soldier named Pantheras (Panderas)=she was the Harlot.
They placed Jesus lineage through all the Harlots in the Bible, didn't you notice that?
This is what I mean about comical errors that occur through plagiarism and placement into text, they did so creating a harlot induced lineage. That's how stupid or evil they truly were.

sources:
Matthew mentions four sinful harlot women of the bible conveniently and coincidentally in the Joseph genealogy:
1) (Genesis 38:12-19) Tamar who was the one who disguised herself as a harlot to seduce her father-in-law Judah.
2) (Joshua 2:1) Rahab who was a harlot living in the city of Jericho. And note wasn’t even of Jewish lineage, she was a Canaanite. The creators of the legend/image icon in trying to create his lineage and plagiarizing the OT goofed this one big time.
3) (Ruth 3:1-14) Ruth who was the one through her mother-in-law Naomi's request, came secretly to where Boaz was sleeping and spent the night with him. Later Ruth and Boaz were married.
4) (2 Samuel 11:2-5) Bathsheba was the controversial one who became pregnant by King David while she was still married to Uriah.

In Matthew 1:19 he states Joseph didn't want to expose her to public disgrace, so he had a mind to divorce her (Mary) quietly (as to not get her stoned).

You are wrong. I "get" what you said. Speaking of Matthew, he writes, don't throw your pearls to pigs. They will stomp on them then turn and attack you.

1)the church admits the apostles never wrote the books in their name, and I showed how the writer couldn't even be Jewish by his bungling Hebrew and Micah 5 when plagiarizing it.
2)you said
>>don't throw your pearls to pigs.
This means your NT tells you to call people pigs who you can't refute or you disagree with, and that is a cult way of avoiding unpopular truth and to maintain the lies.
So do you always call Rabbis pigs or just us Jews in general?
3) your church founders which created the name for their compiled idol used the greek term IeSous(Jesus)=the swine.
No Jewish parent would use that name or use Greek for their "Hebrew" named child.

Someone who quotes scripture and history as often as you, surely knows what "pigs" mean in Matthew. I'll sum it up this way. There is no point in arguing with someone who is hostile toward a faith he doesn't share. If "pig" offends you, I'll call you a "brick wall".

I don't care what you call me.

 

[Penelope]

Trouble is the Catholic's consider Mary to be a "co-redeemer" with Jesus.

Which is nowhere to be found in the Bible and is heretical and outright blasphemy. ......

You clearly lack any knowledge of Catholic theology if you think that. This is NOT how we Catholics consider Mary. She is considered an "intercessor for humanity" as well as the Mother of God. Another misconception is that we pray to her. That is not correct, we ask her to intercede on our behalf, to be an advocate in Heaven since she is so blessed by God. Christ is the redeemer, Mary is his mother.

Can't help to be curious. If you ask Mary to intercede with God, but don't pray to her, what do you do? Send emails?

Ever ask someone for a favor? Does that mean you are suddenly worshiping them?

1)devotion of idols is wrong period.
rubbing a bead in prayer to sooth is one
thing, but thinking the magic bean grants you wishes is another.
2)this opens up a whole other can of worms.
Moshiach in Judaism is a servant (one who serves humanity) as a top Rabbi, not to be served, especially not as a God. A parent or Mother therefore is also not to be served or lifted high as a godess except on Mother's day of course.
A parent of a top Rabbi has no significance in spiritual matters unless they to are also a Rabbi. They simply raised their kid as all kids should be raised to become happy, wise, and Shalem (complete & stable).
In conclusion; this is not how you view and treat Mary, but it's also not how you view or treat a character who's not even based on a singular historical figure=imaginary scripted figure=image of a man made by Rome to mask Baal worship. Basically you are lifting up the golden calf (baal) and worshiping it.

The way Jews worship the wailing wall?

 

[emilynghiem]

Trouble is the Catholic's consider Mary to be a "co-redeemer" with Jesus.

Which is nowhere to be found in the Bible and is heretical and outright blasphemy. ......

Dear Sunni Man and Blackrook
I see this use of Mary as a desire to express the Holy Spirit or third manifestation of God on the level of humanity or the people being the female in the relationship with God, the Mother Church or the Bride of Christ.
All female symbols.

The jehovahs witnesses equate Jesus with Michael who represents God's mercy, as another attempt to complete the Trinity.

The Holy Spirit of heavenly peace and comfort comes along with Christ Jesus, so all this is fulfillment and embodiment of God's love and will that makes us perfect, whole, one and new in Christ by perfect harmony and agree ment in Truth by conscience . The secular way of expressing God as three manifestations is Truth Justice and Peace.

These are all man's attempts at representing the infinite. As man is made in the image of God, we are body mind and spirit and represent our laws using three levels that reflect God and our relationship as individuals joined by law.

 

[HaShev]

Trouble is the Catholic's consider Mary to be a "co-redeemer" with Jesus.

Which is nowhere to be found in the Bible and is heretical and outright blasphemy. ......

Dear Sunni Man and Blackrook
I see this use of Mary as a desire to express the Holy Spirit or third manifestation of God on the level of humanity or the people being the female in the relationship with God, the Mother Church or the Bride of Christ.
All female symbols.

The jehovahs witnesses equate Jesus with Michael who represents God's mercy, as another attempt to complete the Trinity.

The Holy Spirit of heavenly peace and comfort comes along with Christ Jesus, so all this is fulfillment and embodiment of God's love and will that makes us perfect, whole, one and new in Christ by perfect harmony and agree ment in Truth by conscience . The secular way of expressing God as three manifestations is Truth Justice and Peace.

These are all man's attempts at representing the infinite. As man is made in the image of God, we are body mind and spirit and represent our laws using three levels that reflect God and our relationship as individuals joined by law.

>>>The jehovahs witnesses equate Jesus with Michael

That's because in creating the one world religion's image the Roman authority borrowed roles and personas in the Bible and plagiarized Texts of all cultures.
The character is Like Unto (emulating) son of man.-Rev 1:13
To call that part of the same or trinity means you have to call Mohammad and Gabriel one in the same trinity, or Mary and Gabriel one in the same spirit. See how wrong it is to combine messenger with spokesman (spokeswoman)?

 

[emilynghiem]

Trouble is the Catholic's consider Mary to be a "co-redeemer" with Jesus.

Which is nowhere to be found in the Bible and is heretical and outright blasphemy. ......

Dear Sunni Man and Blackrook
I see this use of Mary as a desire to express the Holy Spirit or third manifestation of God on the level of humanity or the people being the female in the relationship with God, the Mother Church or the Bride of Christ.
All female symbols.

The jehovahs witnesses equate Jesus with Michael who represents God's mercy, as another attempt to complete the Trinity.

The Holy Spirit of heavenly peace and comfort comes along with Christ Jesus, so all this is fulfillment and embodiment of God's love and will that makes us perfect, whole, one and new in Christ by perfect harmony and agree ment in Truth by conscience . The secular way of expressing God as three manifestations is Truth Justice and Peace.

These are all man's attempts at representing the infinite. As man is made in the image of God, we are body mind and spirit and represent our laws using three levels that reflect God and our relationship as individuals joined by law.

>>>The jehovahs witnesses equate Jesus with Michael

That's because in creating the one world religion's image the Roman authority borrowed roles and personas in the Bible and plagiarized Texts of all cultures.
The character is Like Unto (emulating) son of man.-Rev 1:13
To call that part of the same or trinity means you have to call Mohammad and Gabriel one in the same trinity, or Mary and Gabriel one in the same spirit. See how wrong it is to combine messenger with spokesman (spokeswoman)?

Dear HaShev
The way I explain this is there
Is ONE universal Message or Messiah,
And anyone who carries this message
Is a Messenger. So we can all point to major messengers and be minor ones who don't speak to large audiences.

Jess Christ is universal to all ppl where Message and Messenger are One.
Nobody else plays that central role.
All others are lords joined by the Lord of all lords, like how the Constitution is the law of the land central and over all other state laws still enforced locally.

 

[HaShev]

Actually the only universal thing about the created character is the borrowing from all the mystery Babylon and Persian religions, however he's not universally accepted or fulfilled of most cultures.
I've had this discussion and Christians seem to think their idol is boxed into one religion whereby I showed the
similarities in many cultures for another that fits your description of one conciousness.
You can search it under the title Sunday Sermons similarities of expectations.

 

[HaShev]

Ok let me use another analogy to get through.

When the evil spirit takes over LINDA Blair's vessel, is the Exorcist character the evil spirit?
Wouldn't the vessel be another person when returning thus how can you have a trinity with
God 1, spirit 1, 1 vessel dies, 1 vessel returns unrecognized, 1 future return vessel in as they said a New Name. Add them up. If you are Mormon add 1 to that for the vessel in the Americas, if a david Koresh follower add 1, Jim Jones add 1. The reason why the church never bats an eye at all these Jesus', is because they know nobody can be the figure they conjured up as an image to worship Baal. You can't come back as a person who never existed.

 

[Blackrook]

I just want guno and haShev to know I never read anything you post, but just skip it over. If I had even the slightest amount of respect for you, I might read what you are saying or care what you think. I believe that neither of you are good examples of what Jews are supposed to believe, or how they are supposed to interact with people of other religions.

 

[HaShev]

Mirror shining time:
I just want Blackrook and Christian viewers to know I never read anything you guys post, but just skip it over. If I had even the slightest amount of respect for you, I might read what you are saying or care what you think. I believe that neither of you are good examples of what intelligent human beings are supposed to believe, or how they are supposed to interact with people of other religions.

 

[Blackrook]

HaShev, I have a lot of respect for the Jewish religion, and Jews in general. But you are a very bad example of a Jew. You show open contempt towards all other religions, and in particular, Christianity. You have no excuse for your obnoxious behavior. The only one worse on this forum is guno, who is a clown and a loser.

 

[guno]

Trouble is the Catholic's consider Mary to be a "co-redeemer" with Jesus.

Which is nowhere to be found in the Bible and is heretical and outright blasphemy. ......

You clearly lack any knowledge of Catholic theology if you think that. This is NOT how we Catholics consider Mary. She is considered an "intercessor for humanity" as well as the Mother of God. Another misconception is that we pray to her. That is not correct, we ask her to intercede on our behalf, to be an advocate in Heaven since she is so blessed by God. Christ is the redeemer, Mary is his mother.

Can't help to be curious. If you ask Mary to intercede with God, but don't pray to her, what do you do? Send emails?

Ever ask someone for a favor? Does that mean you are suddenly worshiping them?

Ever ask someone for a favor?

asking a dead character for favors ?

How nice for you