Carter's Op-Ed in NY Times

[ForeverYoung436]

What do y'all think of it? Agree or Disagree?

 

[RoccoR]

Reference:
America Must Recognize Palestine
By JIMMY CARTER NOV. 28, 2016

ForeverYoung436, et al,

The (former) President (Carter), speaks eloquently as he always has. Yet I find it very unconvincing in many respects.

What do y'all think of it? Agree or Disagree?

(COMMENT)

I see that the Former President express a compound idea, that is challengeable from the outset.

• That the US has any business attempting to shape the outcome of the conflict.
• The the vacating administration should attempt to induce some change, before the next administration assume the office.
​

WHY? Why does the US even have to shape the outcome? This is never answered.

Israel is an ally. If the US wants to give Israel's opponent the advantage, then we should switch sides. But if the US is going to remain an Ally to Israel, then the US should not even suggest something that might undermine Israel. In this conflict, the political and diplomatic position for either side is essentially a domestic issue for which the internal political process for to gripe. The US should not be in the business of intervening in the internal decision making process of Israel ESPECIALLY when the issue of their national survival is at stake. We should not risk Israel's national security just because we think we know better. The US is a Superpower in the decline, and should not take risks with others interests in assets when we have been so very wrong in the past. I am an alumni of The Ohio State. I cheer for the Buckeyes every game. I contribute to The Team. But I don't intervene in the strategy and plays. If the US is going to be an Ally, then be an Ally. But don't intervene.
​

WHY? Why must the current administration with so little time left make a very last minute decision to intervene? Why must the US act before a change in presidents?

The very idea to go in at the minute of the game and make critical changes for which the new administration might have to live with indefinitely. There are some things that are irrevocable. If the current administration make even a minor adjustment, like the recognition of the Palestinians, under current customary international law, recognition is unconditional and irrevocable. The new administration can not just say it revokes that decision (too late). With all due respect, what the former President is suggesting is totally inappropriate; and could be considered interference with foreign affairs of the next administration. IF any action is so imperative and critical to the interest of our nation that the current administration need to double time out to New York and take action now --- THEN --- the current administration should have taken it long before now. But, we know the current administration is not now, nor has it been guilty of a failure to perform an act that is required by law or in the national security interest.
​

We've discussed the whole US Security Council Resolution 242 issue and what the authors had to say about it. AGAIN --- IF the US is an ally of Israel, THEN the right thing to do is support Israel. IF the US and the former President wish to undermine Israel and its national security, THEN the US should openly announce its lack of support so that the US domestic constituent know what the policy is and exact how much it means to be an ally of the US.

America has to take it stand and hold it. America should not care one whip if 139 countries believe this or that. What matters is the question of if we are going to trade our good word and reputation --- abandoning the highest rated nation on the Human Development Index (#18) -- higher than any Arab League nation (even the oil rich nations), the highest in the entire Region, ONLY to replace with a nation that has not been able to support itself since the end of the Great War.

I could write for hours on this subject, but the issue is, who are we and what do we stand for. Do we support the Jihadist, Deadly Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgent, Radicalized Islamist, and Asymmetric Fighters? --- OR --- Do we support, help protect and extend our hand to the only Jewish Nation in the world darkness the darkness spread by the likes of the Islamic Resistance Movement and those that distinguished themselves and defined terrorism with their attack on the Olympic Village in Munich.

We have to take a stand.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

No, the question is why we supported the ethnic cleansing and theft of land from native Christians and Muslims of Palestine to the benefit of European invaders. The Human Development Index for Israel does not include the people they rule in the occupied territories.

 

[Phoenall]

No, the question is why we supported the ethnic cleansing and theft of land from native Christians and Muslims of Palestine to the benefit of European invaders. The Human Development Index for Israel does not include the people they rule in the occupied territories.

Yes it is time we sent all those Roman Catholics back home and gave the lands they stole back to the true owners.

Bercause the Jews dont rule the occupied territories, they occupy them for defense

 

[Challenger]

Reference:
America Must Recognize Palestine
By JIMMY CARTER NOV. 28, 2016

ForeverYoung436, et al,

The (former) President (Carter), speaks eloquently as he always has. Yet I find it very unconvincing in many respects.

What do y'all think of it? Agree or Disagree?

(COMMENT)

I see that the Former President express a compound idea, that is challengeable from the outset.

• That the US has any business attempting to shape the outcome of the conflict.
• The the vacating administration should attempt to induce some change, before the next administration assume the office.
​

WHY? Why does the US even have to shape the outcome? This is never answered.

Israel is an ally. If the US wants to give Israel's opponent the advantage, then we should switch sides. But if the US is going to remain an Ally to Israel, then the US should not even suggest something that might undermine Israel. In this conflict, the political and diplomatic position for either side is essentially a domestic issue for which the internal political process for to gripe. The US should not be in the business of intervening in the internal decision making process of Israel ESPECIALLY when the issue of their national survival is at stake. We should not risk Israel's national security just because we think we know better. The US is a Superpower in the decline, and should not take risks with others interests in assets when we have been so very wrong in the past. I am an alumni of The Ohio State. I cheer for the Buckeyes every game. I contribute to The Team. But I don't intervene in the strategy and plays. If the US is going to be an Ally, then be an Ally. But don't intervene.
​

WHY? Why must the current administration with so little time left make a very last minute decision to intervene? Why must the US act before a change in presidents?

The very idea to go in at the minute of the game and make critical changes for which the new administration might have to live with indefinitely. There are some things that are irrevocable. If the current administration make even a minor adjustment, like the recognition of the Palestinians, under current customary international law, recognition is unconditional and irrevocable. The new administration can not just say it revokes that decision (too late). With all due respect, what the former President is suggesting is totally inappropriate; and could be considered interference with foreign affairs of the next administration. IF any action is so imperative and critical to the interest of our nation that the current administration need to double time out to New York and take action now --- THEN --- the current administration should have taken it long before now. But, we know the current administration is not now, nor has it been guilty of a failure to perform an act that is required by law or in the national security interest.
​

We've discussed the whole US Security Council Resolution 242 issue and what the authors had to say about it. AGAIN --- IF the US is an ally of Israel, THEN the right thing to do is support Israel. IF the US and the former President wish to undermine Israel and its national security, THEN the US should openly announce its lack of support so that the US domestic constituent know what the policy is and exact how much it means to be an ally of the US.

America has to take it stand and hold it. America should not care one whip if 139 countries believe this or that. What matters is the question of if we are going to trade our good word and reputation --- abandoning the highest rated nation on the Human Development Index (#18) -- higher than any Arab League nation (even the oil rich nations), the highest in the entire Region, ONLY to replace with a nation that has not been able to support itself since the end of the Great War.

I could write for hours on this subject, but the issue is, who are we and what do we stand for. Do we support the Jihadist, Deadly Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgent, Radicalized Islamist, and Asymmetric Fighters? --- OR --- Do we support, help protect and extend our hand to the only Jewish Nation in the world darkness the darkness spread by the likes of the Islamic Resistance Movement and those that distinguished themselves and defined terrorism with their attack on the Olympic Village in Munich.

We have to take a stand.

Most Respectfully,
R

That's quintessentially the problem, America HAS interfered since at least 1967 in support of it's "ally" and attempted to "shape the outcome of the conflict" in that "ally's" favour. All recognition of Palestine would achieve, is that America would join the 136 other member states of the U.N. who already do recognise the state of Palestine and that would spur the remaining 57 states to do the same. That at least, will level the playing field somewhat.

As for the scaremongering comments on Zionist Israel's "national survival" being at stake, that's manifestly ridiculous, along with the blatently Islamophobic ramblings of our friend Rocco R.

If Zionist Isreal really wanted peace it could have achieved it decades ago, had it not been bolstered by it's US ally, such misguided support encouraged it to flout or ignore international law, and made the US hated and ridiculed in the Muslim world.

Had America poured in so much aid to every other country in the region they'd all be rated similarly on Rocco R's favourite yardstick, the Human Development Index.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Reference:
America Must Recognize Palestine
By JIMMY CARTER NOV. 28, 2016

ForeverYoung436, et al,

The (former) President (Carter), speaks eloquently as he always has. Yet I find it very unconvincing in many respects.

What do y'all think of it? Agree or Disagree?

(COMMENT)

I see that the Former President express a compound idea, that is challengeable from the outset.

• That the US has any business attempting to shape the outcome of the conflict.
• The the vacating administration should attempt to induce some change, before the next administration assume the office.
​

WHY? Why does the US even have to shape the outcome? This is never answered.

Israel is an ally. If the US wants to give Israel's opponent the advantage, then we should switch sides. But if the US is going to remain an Ally to Israel, then the US should not even suggest something that might undermine Israel. In this conflict, the political and diplomatic position for either side is essentially a domestic issue for which the internal political process for to gripe. The US should not be in the business of intervening in the internal decision making process of Israel ESPECIALLY when the issue of their national survival is at stake. We should not risk Israel's national security just because we think we know better. The US is a Superpower in the decline, and should not take risks with others interests in assets when we have been so very wrong in the past. I am an alumni of The Ohio State. I cheer for the Buckeyes every game. I contribute to The Team. But I don't intervene in the strategy and plays. If the US is going to be an Ally, then be an Ally. But don't intervene.
​

WHY? Why must the current administration with so little time left make a very last minute decision to intervene? Why must the US act before a change in presidents?

The very idea to go in at the minute of the game and make critical changes for which the new administration might have to live with indefinitely. There are some things that are irrevocable. If the current administration make even a minor adjustment, like the recognition of the Palestinians, under current customary international law, recognition is unconditional and irrevocable. The new administration can not just say it revokes that decision (too late). With all due respect, what the former President is suggesting is totally inappropriate; and could be considered interference with foreign affairs of the next administration. IF any action is so imperative and critical to the interest of our nation that the current administration need to double time out to New York and take action now --- THEN --- the current administration should have taken it long before now. But, we know the current administration is not now, nor has it been guilty of a failure to perform an act that is required by law or in the national security interest.
​

We've discussed the whole US Security Council Resolution 242 issue and what the authors had to say about it. AGAIN --- IF the US is an ally of Israel, THEN the right thing to do is support Israel. IF the US and the former President wish to undermine Israel and its national security, THEN the US should openly announce its lack of support so that the US domestic constituent know what the policy is and exact how much it means to be an ally of the US.

America has to take it stand and hold it. America should not care one whip if 139 countries believe this or that. What matters is the question of if we are going to trade our good word and reputation --- abandoning the highest rated nation on the Human Development Index (#18) -- higher than any Arab League nation (even the oil rich nations), the highest in the entire Region, ONLY to replace with a nation that has not been able to support itself since the end of the Great War.

I could write for hours on this subject, but the issue is, who are we and what do we stand for. Do we support the Jihadist, Deadly Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgent, Radicalized Islamist, and Asymmetric Fighters? --- OR --- Do we support, help protect and extend our hand to the only Jewish Nation in the world darkness the darkness spread by the likes of the Islamic Resistance Movement and those that distinguished themselves and defined terrorism with their attack on the Olympic Village in Munich.

We have to take a stand.

Most Respectfully,
R

That's quintessentially the problem, America HAS interfered since at least 1967 in support of it's "ally" and attempted to "shape the outcome of the conflict" in that "ally's" favour. All recognition of Palestine would achieve, is that America would join the 136 other member states of the U.N. who already do recognise the state of Palestine and that would spur the remaining 57 states to do the same. That at least, will level the playing field somewhat.

As for the scaremongering comments on Zionist Israel's "national survival" being at stake, that's manifestly ridiculous, along with the blatently Islamophobic ramblings of our friend Rocco R.

If Zionist Isreal really wanted peace it could have achieved it decades ago, had it not been bolstered by it's US ally, such misguided support encouraged it to flout or ignore international law, and made the US hated and ridiculed in the Muslim world.

Had America poured in so much aid to every other country in the region they'd all be rated similarly on Rocco R's favourite yardstick, the Human Development Index.

As far as "the Human Development Index" goes, many Arab states are rich, maybe not from American aid, but from oil. None of them has had the technological, medical and agricultural accomplishments that Israel has had.

 

[esthermoon]

I think it's almost impossible for the US government to recognize Palestine.
Israel and USA are ally and Tel Aviv doesn't want a sovereign Palestine (at least for the moment maybe in the future things could change)

 

[P F Tinmore]

If Zionist Isreal really wanted peace it could have achieved it decades ago,

Of course they want peace. However, their version of peace is all of Palestine without the Palestinians. It has been like that for a hundred years.

 

[Challenger]

Reference:
America Must Recognize Palestine
By JIMMY CARTER NOV. 28, 2016

ForeverYoung436, et al,

The (former) President (Carter), speaks eloquently as he always has. Yet I find it very unconvincing in many respects.

What do y'all think of it? Agree or Disagree?

(COMMENT)

I see that the Former President express a compound idea, that is challengeable from the outset.

• That the US has any business attempting to shape the outcome of the conflict.
• The the vacating administration should attempt to induce some change, before the next administration assume the office.
​

WHY? Why does the US even have to shape the outcome? This is never answered.

Israel is an ally. If the US wants to give Israel's opponent the advantage, then we should switch sides. But if the US is going to remain an Ally to Israel, then the US should not even suggest something that might undermine Israel. In this conflict, the political and diplomatic position for either side is essentially a domestic issue for which the internal political process for to gripe. The US should not be in the business of intervening in the internal decision making process of Israel ESPECIALLY when the issue of their national survival is at stake. We should not risk Israel's national security just because we think we know better. The US is a Superpower in the decline, and should not take risks with others interests in assets when we have been so very wrong in the past. I am an alumni of The Ohio State. I cheer for the Buckeyes every game. I contribute to The Team. But I don't intervene in the strategy and plays. If the US is going to be an Ally, then be an Ally. But don't intervene.
​

WHY? Why must the current administration with so little time left make a very last minute decision to intervene? Why must the US act before a change in presidents?

The very idea to go in at the minute of the game and make critical changes for which the new administration might have to live with indefinitely. There are some things that are irrevocable. If the current administration make even a minor adjustment, like the recognition of the Palestinians, under current customary international law, recognition is unconditional and irrevocable. The new administration can not just say it revokes that decision (too late). With all due respect, what the former President is suggesting is totally inappropriate; and could be considered interference with foreign affairs of the next administration. IF any action is so imperative and critical to the interest of our nation that the current administration need to double time out to New York and take action now --- THEN --- the current administration should have taken it long before now. But, we know the current administration is not now, nor has it been guilty of a failure to perform an act that is required by law or in the national security interest.
​

We've discussed the whole US Security Council Resolution 242 issue and what the authors had to say about it. AGAIN --- IF the US is an ally of Israel, THEN the right thing to do is support Israel. IF the US and the former President wish to undermine Israel and its national security, THEN the US should openly announce its lack of support so that the US domestic constituent know what the policy is and exact how much it means to be an ally of the US.

America has to take it stand and hold it. America should not care one whip if 139 countries believe this or that. What matters is the question of if we are going to trade our good word and reputation --- abandoning the highest rated nation on the Human Development Index (#18) -- higher than any Arab League nation (even the oil rich nations), the highest in the entire Region, ONLY to replace with a nation that has not been able to support itself since the end of the Great War.

I could write for hours on this subject, but the issue is, who are we and what do we stand for. Do we support the Jihadist, Deadly Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgent, Radicalized Islamist, and Asymmetric Fighters? --- OR --- Do we support, help protect and extend our hand to the only Jewish Nation in the world darkness the darkness spread by the likes of the Islamic Resistance Movement and those that distinguished themselves and defined terrorism with their attack on the Olympic Village in Munich.

We have to take a stand.

Most Respectfully,
R

That's quintessentially the problem, America HAS interfered since at least 1967 in support of it's "ally" and attempted to "shape the outcome of the conflict" in that "ally's" favour. All recognition of Palestine would achieve, is that America would join the 136 other member states of the U.N. who already do recognise the state of Palestine and that would spur the remaining 57 states to do the same. That at least, will level the playing field somewhat.

As for the scaremongering comments on Zionist Israel's "national survival" being at stake, that's manifestly ridiculous, along with the blatently Islamophobic ramblings of our friend Rocco R.

If Zionist Isreal really wanted peace it could have achieved it decades ago, had it not been bolstered by it's US ally, such misguided support encouraged it to flout or ignore international law, and made the US hated and ridiculed in the Muslim world.

Had America poured in so much aid to every other country in the region they'd all be rated similarly on Rocco R's favourite yardstick, the Human Development Index.

As far as "the Human Development Index" goes, many Arab states are rich, maybe not from American aid, but from oil. None of them has had the technological, medical and agricultural accomplishments that Israel has had.

Wealth has nothing to do with the Human Development Index as rambling RoccoR will probably tell you. In any event just looking at "league tables" won't tell the whole story, yes Zionist Israel is ranked #18 with an index of 0.894, but the nearest Arab country, Qatar has an index score of 0.850, a difference of 0.044, but is ranked #32 and France with a score of 0.888, a mere 0.006 difference is ranked #22. Norway on the other hand is ranked #1, what technological, medical and agricultural accomplishments has Norway had compared with the Zionist state?

http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/2015_human_development_report.pdf

 

[Phoenall]

Reference:
America Must Recognize Palestine
By JIMMY CARTER NOV. 28, 2016

ForeverYoung436, et al,

The (former) President (Carter), speaks eloquently as he always has. Yet I find it very unconvincing in many respects.

What do y'all think of it? Agree or Disagree?

(COMMENT)

I see that the Former President express a compound idea, that is challengeable from the outset.

• That the US has any business attempting to shape the outcome of the conflict.
• The the vacating administration should attempt to induce some change, before the next administration assume the office.
​

WHY? Why does the US even have to shape the outcome? This is never answered.

Israel is an ally. If the US wants to give Israel's opponent the advantage, then we should switch sides. But if the US is going to remain an Ally to Israel, then the US should not even suggest something that might undermine Israel. In this conflict, the political and diplomatic position for either side is essentially a domestic issue for which the internal political process for to gripe. The US should not be in the business of intervening in the internal decision making process of Israel ESPECIALLY when the issue of their national survival is at stake. We should not risk Israel's national security just because we think we know better. The US is a Superpower in the decline, and should not take risks with others interests in assets when we have been so very wrong in the past. I am an alumni of The Ohio State. I cheer for the Buckeyes every game. I contribute to The Team. But I don't intervene in the strategy and plays. If the US is going to be an Ally, then be an Ally. But don't intervene.
​

WHY? Why must the current administration with so little time left make a very last minute decision to intervene? Why must the US act before a change in presidents?

The very idea to go in at the minute of the game and make critical changes for which the new administration might have to live with indefinitely. There are some things that are irrevocable. If the current administration make even a minor adjustment, like the recognition of the Palestinians, under current customary international law, recognition is unconditional and irrevocable. The new administration can not just say it revokes that decision (too late). With all due respect, what the former President is suggesting is totally inappropriate; and could be considered interference with foreign affairs of the next administration. IF any action is so imperative and critical to the interest of our nation that the current administration need to double time out to New York and take action now --- THEN --- the current administration should have taken it long before now. But, we know the current administration is not now, nor has it been guilty of a failure to perform an act that is required by law or in the national security interest.
​

We've discussed the whole US Security Council Resolution 242 issue and what the authors had to say about it. AGAIN --- IF the US is an ally of Israel, THEN the right thing to do is support Israel. IF the US and the former President wish to undermine Israel and its national security, THEN the US should openly announce its lack of support so that the US domestic constituent know what the policy is and exact how much it means to be an ally of the US.

America has to take it stand and hold it. America should not care one whip if 139 countries believe this or that. What matters is the question of if we are going to trade our good word and reputation --- abandoning the highest rated nation on the Human Development Index (#18) -- higher than any Arab League nation (even the oil rich nations), the highest in the entire Region, ONLY to replace with a nation that has not been able to support itself since the end of the Great War.

I could write for hours on this subject, but the issue is, who are we and what do we stand for. Do we support the Jihadist, Deadly Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgent, Radicalized Islamist, and Asymmetric Fighters? --- OR --- Do we support, help protect and extend our hand to the only Jewish Nation in the world darkness the darkness spread by the likes of the Islamic Resistance Movement and those that distinguished themselves and defined terrorism with their attack on the Olympic Village in Munich.

We have to take a stand.

Most Respectfully,
R

That's quintessentially the problem, America HAS interfered since at least 1967 in support of it's "ally" and attempted to "shape the outcome of the conflict" in that "ally's" favour. All recognition of Palestine would achieve, is that America would join the 136 other member states of the U.N. who already do recognise the state of Palestine and that would spur the remaining 57 states to do the same. That at least, will level the playing field somewhat.

As for the scaremongering comments on Zionist Israel's "national survival" being at stake, that's manifestly ridiculous, along with the blatently Islamophobic ramblings of our friend Rocco R.

If Zionist Isreal really wanted peace it could have achieved it decades ago, had it not been bolstered by it's US ally, such misguided support encouraged it to flout or ignore international law, and made the US hated and ridiculed in the Muslim world.

Had America poured in so much aid to every other country in the region they'd all be rated similarly on Rocco R's favourite yardstick, the Human Development Index.

So when was the first reported case of islamophobia again, or do you mean the made up disease to hide the truth of telling the truth about muslims and islam ?

 

[Phoenall]

If Zionist Isreal really wanted peace it could have achieved it decades ago,

Of course they want peace. However, their version of peace is all of Palestine without the Palestinians. It has been like that for a hundred years.

Does that include the part of palestine you forget exists ?

 

[RoccoR]

Challenger, et al,

First, let me address the sensitivity in the numerical difference and scale.

Wealth has nothing to do with the Human Development Index as rambling RoccoR will probably tell you. In any event just looking at "league tables" won't tell the whole story, yes Zionist Israel is ranked #18 with an index of 0.894, but the nearest Arab country, Qatar has an index score of 0.850, a difference of 0.044, but is ranked #32 and France with a score of 0.888, a mere 0.006 difference is ranked #22. Norway on the other hand is ranked #1, what technological, medical and agricultural accomplishments has Norway had compared with the Zionist state?

http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/2015_human_development_report.pdf

(COMMENT)

There are many many scales that use very small numbers, the slight difference of which, make a huge difference.

My favorite is the measurement, in Farads, of "Capacitance" which is related to the storage of electrical charge. The chart that is attached, shows the commonly available capacitor values. You will not that the values are very small, measured in terms of pico-farads (pF) and micro-farads (µF).

This scale takes you through the most common values from one-trillionth to 10,000 millionths (1-one hundredth).

As you can see, the difference between the highest and the lowest is a very small number. Yet the swing can make a huge difference in the real world.

In an LC Circuit with a Capacitor of 10,000 µF and an Inductor of 10 Micro-henries = a
resonant Frequency of 15.9KHz. If the Capacitance is change to 10 Pico-Farads = the Resonant Frequency changed to 15.9MHz. The Local Oscillator frequency for a standard FM Radio is 10.7MHz. That would be a Capacitance of ≈ 22 pF.

Your argument might fool someone that has no math skill and no familiarity with scalar functions; but not for very long. What you are doing is merely an attempt to discredit an otherwise sound and valid data source.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Challenger]

Challenger, et al,

First, let me address the sensitivity in the numerical difference and scale.

Wealth has nothing to do with the Human Development Index as rambling RoccoR will probably tell you. In any event just looking at "league tables" won't tell the whole story, yes Zionist Israel is ranked #18 with an index of 0.894, but the nearest Arab country, Qatar has an index score of 0.850, a difference of 0.044, but is ranked #32 and France with a score of 0.888, a mere 0.006 difference is ranked #22. Norway on the other hand is ranked #1, what technological, medical and agricultural accomplishments has Norway had compared with the Zionist state?

http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/2015_human_development_report.pdf

(COMMENT)

There are many many scales that use very small numbers, the slight difference of which, make a huge difference.

My favorite is the measurement, in Farads, of "Capacitance" which is related to the storage of electrical charge. The chart that is attached, shows the commonly available capacitor values. You will not that the values are very small, measured in terms of pico-farads (pF) and micro-farads (µF).

View attachment 100567​

This scale takes you through the most common values from one-trillionth to 10,000 millionths (1-one hundredth).

View attachment 100568​

As you can see, the difference between the highest and the lowest is a very small number. Yet the swing can make a huge difference in the real world.

In an LC Circuit with a Capacitor of 10,000 µF and an Inductor of 10 Micro-henries = a
resonant Frequency of 15.9KHz. If the Capacitance is change to 10 Pico-Farads = the Resonant Frequency changed to 15.9MHz. The Local Oscillator frequency for a standard FM Radio is 10.7MHz. That would be a Capacitance of ≈ 22 pF.

Your argument might fool someone that has no math skill and no familiarity with scalar functions; but not for very long. What you are doing is merely an attempt to discredit an otherwise sound and valid data source.

Most Respectfully,
R

Had you explained the meaning of the variations in the index, I might have been impressed, but this rambling post is meaningless when it comes to answering my points:

• Wealth has nothing to do with the Human Development Index.
  
• Norway on the other hand is ranked #1, what technological, medical and agricultural accomplishments has Norway had compared with the Zionist state?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Challenger, et al,

First, let me address the sensitivity in the numerical difference and scale.

Wealth has nothing to do with the Human Development Index as rambling RoccoR will probably tell you. In any event just looking at "league tables" won't tell the whole story, yes Zionist Israel is ranked #18 with an index of 0.894, but the nearest Arab country, Qatar has an index score of 0.850, a difference of 0.044, but is ranked #32 and France with a score of 0.888, a mere 0.006 difference is ranked #22. Norway on the other hand is ranked #1, what technological, medical and agricultural accomplishments has Norway had compared with the Zionist state?

http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/2015_human_development_report.pdf

(COMMENT)

There are many many scales that use very small numbers, the slight difference of which, make a huge difference.

My favorite is the measurement, in Farads, of "Capacitance" which is related to the storage of electrical charge. The chart that is attached, shows the commonly available capacitor values. You will not that the values are very small, measured in terms of pico-farads (pF) and micro-farads (µF).

View attachment 100567​

This scale takes you through the most common values from one-trillionth to 10,000 millionths (1-one hundredth).

View attachment 100568​

As you can see, the difference between the highest and the lowest is a very small number. Yet the swing can make a huge difference in the real world.

In an LC Circuit with a Capacitor of 10,000 µF and an Inductor of 10 Micro-henries = a
resonant Frequency of 15.9KHz. If the Capacitance is change to 10 Pico-Farads = the Resonant Frequency changed to 15.9MHz. The Local Oscillator frequency for a standard FM Radio is 10.7MHz. That would be a Capacitance of ≈ 22 pF.

Your argument might fool someone that has no math skill and no familiarity with scalar functions; but not for very long. What you are doing is merely an attempt to discredit an otherwise sound and valid data source.

Most Respectfully,
R

Had you explained the meaning of the variations in the index, I might have been impressed, but this rambling post is meaningless when it comes to answering my points:

• Wealth has nothing to do with the Human Development Index.
  
• Norway on the other hand is ranked #1, what technological, medical and agricultural accomplishments has Norway had compared with the Zionist state?

Wealth and development depends on whose definition you use. I remember a saying:

You can be rich on zero dollars a day. ~ Dr. Vandana Shiva

 

[esthermoon]

Challenger, et al,

First, let me address the sensitivity in the numerical difference and scale.

Wealth has nothing to do with the Human Development Index as rambling RoccoR will probably tell you. In any event just looking at "league tables" won't tell the whole story, yes Zionist Israel is ranked #18 with an index of 0.894, but the nearest Arab country, Qatar has an index score of 0.850, a difference of 0.044, but is ranked #32 and France with a score of 0.888, a mere 0.006 difference is ranked #22. Norway on the other hand is ranked #1, what technological, medical and agricultural accomplishments has Norway had compared with the Zionist state?

http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/2015_human_development_report.pdf

(COMMENT)

There are many many scales that use very small numbers, the slight difference of which, make a huge difference.

My favorite is the measurement, in Farads, of "Capacitance" which is related to the storage of electrical charge. The chart that is attached, shows the commonly available capacitor values. You will not that the values are very small, measured in terms of pico-farads (pF) and micro-farads (µF).

View attachment 100567​

This scale takes you through the most common values from one-trillionth to 10,000 millionths (1-one hundredth).

View attachment 100568​

As you can see, the difference between the highest and the lowest is a very small number. Yet the swing can make a huge difference in the real world.

In an LC Circuit with a Capacitor of 10,000 µF and an Inductor of 10 Micro-henries = a
resonant Frequency of 15.9KHz. If the Capacitance is change to 10 Pico-Farads = the Resonant Frequency changed to 15.9MHz. The Local Oscillator frequency for a standard FM Radio is 10.7MHz. That would be a Capacitance of ≈ 22 pF.

Your argument might fool someone that has no math skill and no familiarity with scalar functions; but not for very long. What you are doing is merely an attempt to discredit an otherwise sound and valid data source.

Most Respectfully,
R

Had you explained the meaning of the variations in the index, I might have been impressed, but this rambling post is meaningless when it comes to answering my points:

• Wealth has nothing to do with the Human Development Index.
  
• Norway on the other hand is ranked #1, what technological, medical and agricultural accomplishments has Norway had compared with the Zionist state?

Wealth and development depends on whose definition you use. I remember a saying:

You can be rich on zero dollars a day. ~ Dr. Vandana Shiva

Vandana Shiva is totally right!

 

[RoccoR]

Challenger, et al,

I have made those explanations many times in the past.

Challenger, et al,

First, let me address the sensitivity in the numerical difference and scale.

Wealth has nothing to do with the Human Development Index as rambling RoccoR will probably tell you. In any event just looking at "league tables" won't tell the whole story, yes Zionist Israel is ranked #18 with an index of 0.894, but the nearest Arab country, Qatar has an index score of 0.850, a difference of 0.044, but is ranked #32 and France with a score of 0.888, a mere 0.006 difference is ranked #22. Norway on the other hand is ranked #1, what technological, medical and agricultural accomplishments has Norway had compared with the Zionist state?

http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/2015_human_development_report.pdf

(COMMENT)

There are many many scales that use very small numbers, the slight difference of which, make a huge difference.

My favorite is the measurement, in Farads, of "Capacitance" which is related to the storage of electrical charge. The chart that is attached, shows the commonly available capacitor values. You will not that the values are very small, measured in terms of pico-farads (pF) and micro-farads (µF).

View attachment 100567​

This scale takes you through the most common values from one-trillionth to 10,000 millionths (1-one hundredth).

View attachment 100568​

As you can see, the difference between the highest and the lowest is a very small number. Yet the swing can make a huge difference in the real world.

In an LC Circuit with a Capacitor of 10,000 µF and an Inductor of 10 Micro-henries = a
resonant Frequency of 15.9KHz. If the Capacitance is change to 10 Pico-Farads = the Resonant Frequency changed to 15.9MHz. The Local Oscillator frequency for a standard FM Radio is 10.7MHz. That would be a Capacitance of ≈ 22 pF.

Your argument might fool someone that has no math skill and no familiarity with scalar functions; but not for very long. What you are doing is merely an attempt to discredit an otherwise sound and valid data source.

Most Respectfully,
R

Had you explained the meaning of the variations in the index, I might have been impressed, but this rambling post is meaningless when it comes to answering my points:

• Wealth has nothing to do with the Human Development Index.
  
• Norway on the other hand is ranked #1, what technological, medical and agricultural accomplishments has Norway had compared with the Zionist state?

(COMMENT)

That is absolutely correct. Wealth, while giving an advantage, does not dictate the outcome of the ranking. It does not change the facts of the rating or the actually outcomes.

There are about 15 Million Jews World-wide. There are over 400 Million Arabs. One of the areas that effect the HDI is Education and Scientific Development. That is 0.2% of the world's population, the Jewish People have been awarded 22 percent of Nobel Prizes.

Now this is and example of how wealth plays into the Education and Scientific Development.

Only a dozen of the Nobel Award have gone to the 400 Million Arabs. And only three of the awards were in science. Two were in Literature, and the remainder were Peace Prizes.

Even Norway makes a better showing in research and development.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Challenger, et al,

I have made those explanations many times in the past.

Challenger, et al,

First, let me address the sensitivity in the numerical difference and scale.

Wealth has nothing to do with the Human Development Index as rambling RoccoR will probably tell you. In any event just looking at "league tables" won't tell the whole story, yes Zionist Israel is ranked #18 with an index of 0.894, but the nearest Arab country, Qatar has an index score of 0.850, a difference of 0.044, but is ranked #32 and France with a score of 0.888, a mere 0.006 difference is ranked #22. Norway on the other hand is ranked #1, what technological, medical and agricultural accomplishments has Norway had compared with the Zionist state?

http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/2015_human_development_report.pdf

(COMMENT)

There are many many scales that use very small numbers, the slight difference of which, make a huge difference.

My favorite is the measurement, in Farads, of "Capacitance" which is related to the storage of electrical charge. The chart that is attached, shows the commonly available capacitor values. You will not that the values are very small, measured in terms of pico-farads (pF) and micro-farads (µF).

View attachment 100567​

This scale takes you through the most common values from one-trillionth to 10,000 millionths (1-one hundredth).

View attachment 100568​

As you can see, the difference between the highest and the lowest is a very small number. Yet the swing can make a huge difference in the real world.

In an LC Circuit with a Capacitor of 10,000 µF and an Inductor of 10 Micro-henries = a
resonant Frequency of 15.9KHz. If the Capacitance is change to 10 Pico-Farads = the Resonant Frequency changed to 15.9MHz. The Local Oscillator frequency for a standard FM Radio is 10.7MHz. That would be a Capacitance of ≈ 22 pF.

Your argument might fool someone that has no math skill and no familiarity with scalar functions; but not for very long. What you are doing is merely an attempt to discredit an otherwise sound and valid data source.

Most Respectfully,
R

Had you explained the meaning of the variations in the index, I might have been impressed, but this rambling post is meaningless when it comes to answering my points:

• Wealth has nothing to do with the Human Development Index.
  
• Norway on the other hand is ranked #1, what technological, medical and agricultural accomplishments has Norway had compared with the Zionist state?

(COMMENT)

That is absolutely correct. Wealth, while giving an advantage, does not dictate the outcome of the ranking. It does not change the facts of the rating or the actually outcomes.

There are about 15 Million Jews World-wide. There are over 400 Million Arabs. One of the areas that effect the HDI is Education and Scientific Development. That is 0.2% of the world's population, the Jewish People have been awarded 22 percent of Nobel Prizes.

Now this is and example of how wealth plays into the Education and Scientific Development.

Only a dozen of the Nobel Award have gone to the 400 Million Arabs. And only three of the awards were in science. Two were in Literature, and the remainder were Peace Prizes.

Even Norway makes a better showing in research and development.

Most Respectfully,
R

Nobel has a narrow scope. Most people (many excellent people) fall outside of that small circle. Many people who are changing the world go unnoticed.

 

[Phoenall]

Challenger, et al,

First, let me address the sensitivity in the numerical difference and scale.

Wealth has nothing to do with the Human Development Index as rambling RoccoR will probably tell you. In any event just looking at "league tables" won't tell the whole story, yes Zionist Israel is ranked #18 with an index of 0.894, but the nearest Arab country, Qatar has an index score of 0.850, a difference of 0.044, but is ranked #32 and France with a score of 0.888, a mere 0.006 difference is ranked #22. Norway on the other hand is ranked #1, what technological, medical and agricultural accomplishments has Norway had compared with the Zionist state?

http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/2015_human_development_report.pdf

(COMMENT)

There are many many scales that use very small numbers, the slight difference of which, make a huge difference.

My favorite is the measurement, in Farads, of "Capacitance" which is related to the storage of electrical charge. The chart that is attached, shows the commonly available capacitor values. You will not that the values are very small, measured in terms of pico-farads (pF) and micro-farads (µF).

View attachment 100567​

This scale takes you through the most common values from one-trillionth to 10,000 millionths (1-one hundredth).

View attachment 100568​

As you can see, the difference between the highest and the lowest is a very small number. Yet the swing can make a huge difference in the real world.

In an LC Circuit with a Capacitor of 10,000 µF and an Inductor of 10 Micro-henries = a
resonant Frequency of 15.9KHz. If the Capacitance is change to 10 Pico-Farads = the Resonant Frequency changed to 15.9MHz. The Local Oscillator frequency for a standard FM Radio is 10.7MHz. That would be a Capacitance of ≈ 22 pF.

Your argument might fool someone that has no math skill and no familiarity with scalar functions; but not for very long. What you are doing is merely an attempt to discredit an otherwise sound and valid data source.

Most Respectfully,
R

Had you explained the meaning of the variations in the index, I might have been impressed, but this rambling post is meaningless when it comes to answering my points:

• Wealth has nothing to do with the Human Development Index.
  
• Norway on the other hand is ranked #1, what technological, medical and agricultural accomplishments has Norway had compared with the Zionist state?

Wealth and development depends on whose definition you use. I remember a saying:

You can be rich on zero dollars a day. ~ Dr. Vandana Shiva

Correct as it is all down to how you look at things

 

[Phoenall]

Challenger, et al,

I have made those explanations many times in the past.

Challenger, et al,

First, let me address the sensitivity in the numerical difference and scale.

Wealth has nothing to do with the Human Development Index as rambling RoccoR will probably tell you. In any event just looking at "league tables" won't tell the whole story, yes Zionist Israel is ranked #18 with an index of 0.894, but the nearest Arab country, Qatar has an index score of 0.850, a difference of 0.044, but is ranked #32 and France with a score of 0.888, a mere 0.006 difference is ranked #22. Norway on the other hand is ranked #1, what technological, medical and agricultural accomplishments has Norway had compared with the Zionist state?

http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/2015_human_development_report.pdf

(COMMENT)

There are many many scales that use very small numbers, the slight difference of which, make a huge difference.

My favorite is the measurement, in Farads, of "Capacitance" which is related to the storage of electrical charge. The chart that is attached, shows the commonly available capacitor values. You will not that the values are very small, measured in terms of pico-farads (pF) and micro-farads (µF).

View attachment 100567​

This scale takes you through the most common values from one-trillionth to 10,000 millionths (1-one hundredth).

View attachment 100568​

As you can see, the difference between the highest and the lowest is a very small number. Yet the swing can make a huge difference in the real world.

In an LC Circuit with a Capacitor of 10,000 µF and an Inductor of 10 Micro-henries = a
resonant Frequency of 15.9KHz. If the Capacitance is change to 10 Pico-Farads = the Resonant Frequency changed to 15.9MHz. The Local Oscillator frequency for a standard FM Radio is 10.7MHz. That would be a Capacitance of ≈ 22 pF.

Your argument might fool someone that has no math skill and no familiarity with scalar functions; but not for very long. What you are doing is merely an attempt to discredit an otherwise sound and valid data source.

Most Respectfully,
R

Had you explained the meaning of the variations in the index, I might have been impressed, but this rambling post is meaningless when it comes to answering my points:

• Wealth has nothing to do with the Human Development Index.
  
• Norway on the other hand is ranked #1, what technological, medical and agricultural accomplishments has Norway had compared with the Zionist state?

(COMMENT)

That is absolutely correct. Wealth, while giving an advantage, does not dictate the outcome of the ranking. It does not change the facts of the rating or the actually outcomes.

There are about 15 Million Jews World-wide. There are over 400 Million Arabs. One of the areas that effect the HDI is Education and Scientific Development. That is 0.2% of the world's population, the Jewish People have been awarded 22 percent of Nobel Prizes.

Now this is and example of how wealth plays into the Education and Scientific Development.

Only a dozen of the Nobel Award have gone to the 400 Million Arabs. And only three of the awards were in science. Two were in Literature, and the remainder were Peace Prizes.

Even Norway makes a better showing in research and development.

Most Respectfully,
R

Nobel has a narrow scope. Most people (many excellent people) fall outside of that small circle. Many people who are changing the world go unnoticed.

Yet you would expect the arab muslims to have a better showing on demographics alone. Is this because demographics by themselves are not able to produce the numbers. Could it be the lack of intelligence and education that has led to the poor showing ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Challenger, et al,

I have made those explanations many times in the past.

Challenger, et al,

First, let me address the sensitivity in the numerical difference and scale.

Wealth has nothing to do with the Human Development Index as rambling RoccoR will probably tell you. In any event just looking at "league tables" won't tell the whole story, yes Zionist Israel is ranked #18 with an index of 0.894, but the nearest Arab country, Qatar has an index score of 0.850, a difference of 0.044, but is ranked #32 and France with a score of 0.888, a mere 0.006 difference is ranked #22. Norway on the other hand is ranked #1, what technological, medical and agricultural accomplishments has Norway had compared with the Zionist state?

http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/2015_human_development_report.pdf

(COMMENT)

There are many many scales that use very small numbers, the slight difference of which, make a huge difference.

My favorite is the measurement, in Farads, of "Capacitance" which is related to the storage of electrical charge. The chart that is attached, shows the commonly available capacitor values. You will not that the values are very small, measured in terms of pico-farads (pF) and micro-farads (µF).

View attachment 100567​

This scale takes you through the most common values from one-trillionth to 10,000 millionths (1-one hundredth).

View attachment 100568​

As you can see, the difference between the highest and the lowest is a very small number. Yet the swing can make a huge difference in the real world.

In an LC Circuit with a Capacitor of 10,000 µF and an Inductor of 10 Micro-henries = a
resonant Frequency of 15.9KHz. If the Capacitance is change to 10 Pico-Farads = the Resonant Frequency changed to 15.9MHz. The Local Oscillator frequency for a standard FM Radio is 10.7MHz. That would be a Capacitance of ≈ 22 pF.

Your argument might fool someone that has no math skill and no familiarity with scalar functions; but not for very long. What you are doing is merely an attempt to discredit an otherwise sound and valid data source.

Most Respectfully,
R

Had you explained the meaning of the variations in the index, I might have been impressed, but this rambling post is meaningless when it comes to answering my points:

• Wealth has nothing to do with the Human Development Index.
  
• Norway on the other hand is ranked #1, what technological, medical and agricultural accomplishments has Norway had compared with the Zionist state?

(COMMENT)

That is absolutely correct. Wealth, while giving an advantage, does not dictate the outcome of the ranking. It does not change the facts of the rating or the actually outcomes.

There are about 15 Million Jews World-wide. There are over 400 Million Arabs. One of the areas that effect the HDI is Education and Scientific Development. That is 0.2% of the world's population, the Jewish People have been awarded 22 percent of Nobel Prizes.

Now this is and example of how wealth plays into the Education and Scientific Development.

Only a dozen of the Nobel Award have gone to the 400 Million Arabs. And only three of the awards were in science. Two were in Literature, and the remainder were Peace Prizes.

Even Norway makes a better showing in research and development.

Most Respectfully,
R

Nobel has a narrow scope. Most people (many excellent people) fall outside of that small circle. Many people who are changing the world go unnoticed.

Yet you would expect the arab muslims to have a better showing on demographics alone. Is this because demographics by themselves are not able to produce the numbers. Could it be the lack of intelligence and education that has led to the poor showing ?

You really shouldn't put racism in all of your posts. You would be more credible if you would stop doing that.