Capitalism is NOT Democratic: Democracy is NOT Capitalist

[bripat9643]

Is this the freedom you're seeking?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ask Mike:

You're the one whining about it, no suggestions?

 

[bripat9643]

You're the one whining about it, no suggestions?

He was not charged with fraud.

 

[georgephillip]

Well one is an economic theory and the other is a political theory so yeah, different things. Deep.

What's your choice?

Duh.

 

[struth]

US capitalism began on the plantation.

It isn't too hard to become rich by exploiting free land and free labor.

American Capitalism Is Brutal. You Can Trace That to the Plantation. (Published 2019)

"Cotton was to the 19th century what oil was to the 20th: among the world’s most widely traded commodities.

"Cotton is everywhere, in our clothes, hospitals, soap.

"Before the industrialization of cotton, people wore expensive clothes made of wool or linen and dressed their beds in furs or straw.

"Whoever mastered cotton could make a killing.

"But cotton needed land.

"A field could only tolerate a few straight years of the crop before its soil became depleted.

"Planters watched as acres that had initially produced 1,000 pounds of cotton yielded only 400 a few seasons later."

and capitalism helped end slavery, meanwhile your pals in china literally have slaves picking cotton today

 

[Soupnazi630]

When has capitalism existed without debt?

Many times through out US history

 

[HappyJoy]

The US is a representative democracy where our government is elected by citizens who vote for their government officials. These officials represent the citizens' ideas and concerns in their society.

Why anyone would choose to believe we are not a democracy is astounding.

 

[HappyJoy]

An employment contract is mutually agreed to. Labor is just a commodity like any other.

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And most Americans have benefited greatly from collective bargaining whether they were in a union or not.

 

[HappyJoy]

Many times through out US history

Name 3 times.

 

[georgephillip]

I guess that's what I'm trying to tell you. A truly "capitalist" market is FREE of government interference. You dislike the market and, rather than advocating for LESS government interference, you apparently want MORE government interference.

How is it possible for any economic system to be FREE of government when government creates the money, markets, and legal institutions that make commerce practical for large, complex societies?

Government is a fourth factor of production like land, labor and capital whose goals include lowering the cost of living and doing business along with protecting consumers and workers from parasites whose lifestyles come from "owning" the means of production.

You want a market free of government interference.
I want a market free of...

Government is a tool that can be used to promote policies that benefit a majority of society or a small minority of rich parasites.

Democracy or oligarchy, what's your choice?

 

[dblack]

How is it possible for any economic system to be FREE of government when government creates the money, markets, and legal institutions that make commerce practical for large, complex societies?

Government is a fourth factor of production like land, labor and capital whose goals include lowering the cost of living and doing business along with protecting consumers and workers from parasites whose lifestyles come from "owning" the means of production.

It's certainly possible to prevent government from meddling in the economy. Just like we prevent government from meddling in religion. It's not perfect, nothing is, but for the most part the First Amendment actually works. We need a similar amendment and a similar "wall of separation" to keep state power and economic power distinct and separate.

Democracy or oligarchy, what's your choice?

False dichotomy. Try again.

 

[OKTexas]

And most Americans have benefited greatly from collective bargaining whether they were in a union or not.

And?

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[K9Buck]

How is it possible for any economic system to be FREE of government when government creates the money, markets, and legal institutions that make commerce practical for large, complex societies?

Government is a fourth factor of production like land, labor and capital whose goals include lowering the cost of living and doing business along with protecting consumers and workers from parasites whose lifestyles come from "owning" the means of production.

You want a market free of government interference.
I want a market free of...

Government is a tool that can be used to promote policies that benefit a majority of society or a small minority of rich parasites.

Democracy or oligarchy, what's your choice?

Please provide a link for the material that you pasted. Thanks.

 

[HappyJoy]

And?

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Labor often times is not mutually agreed to, one side offers a wage the other often times doesn't have a choice.

 

[bripat9643]

Labor often times is not mutually agreed to, one side offers a wage the other often times doesn't have a choice.

That doesn't mean isn't mutually agreed to, idiot. 'A' isn't responsible for the circumstances of 'B' unless he created those circumstances.

 

[HappyJoy]

That doesn't mean isn't mutually agreed to, idiot. 'A' isn't responsible for the circumstances of 'B' unless he created those circumstances.

Neat, kid. Thankfully we at least had a strong union at some point in our past to protect workers' rights and we have a federal government that sometimes protects workers from wage exploitation.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

we have a federal government that sometimes protects workers from wage exploitation.

If you only produce $8/hour in value but the government mandates $15,
how is the government protecting you?

 

[georgephillip]

We need a similar amendment and a similar "wall of separation" to keep state power and economic power distinct and separate.

What institution prints the money that individuals and businesses use to pay their taxes?

Withering away of the state - Wikipedia.

 

[dblack]

Labor often times is not mutually agreed to, one side offers a wage the other often times doesn't have a choice.

Well slavery is illegal, and should remain that way.

 

[HappyJoy]

If you only produce $8/hour in value but the government mandates $15,
how is the government protecting you?

What job is worth only 8 bucks an hour where the government is mandating a higher wage?