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This is an important article that sheds the light on Canada's Stasi tactics. The expansion of Canadian communist tactics extends FAR beyond just the economy and it is coming to a head as the Canadian economy hasn't had steam for a decade, interest rates haven't moved in a decade, we are facing bankruptcy in a number of jurisdictions. The RCMP and their surrogates have a large hand in this failure. Can you imagine Americans dealing with the presumption of guilt based on the word of an undercover that plays God? No judge, jury or executioner, just guilt by association or the word of a C.I is enough. The Minority Report in a tinpot democracy.
America and Europe has to reconsider how it engages with a country like Canada, this is the top of the iceberg and the more we influence you via Snowflakes in California and the like the closer you appear to be like us. You can just imagine what these same agencies do to businesses within Canadian borders...
Canadians stunned to learn they have police records, despite never being found guilty | Toronto Star
Chris
The 27-year-old construction worker hoped that firefighting was a calling he would one day turn into a profession.
He was overjoyed when he earned a part-time spot at his hometown firefighting service in Caledon last April. After training for months on weekends and occasional week nights, Chris (who asked that we not publish his last name) was asked to provide a âvulnerable sectorâ police check in August.
The results left him stunned.
While the check itself indicated no charges or convictions, there was a letter attached.
âIt said I was named in a drug investigation,â he says. âI asked them what was going on because I had no idea. Iâd never been talked to by police, pulled over or brought into a police station.â
It turns out a friend had been convicted on drug charges after being investigated by an undercover police officer. Chris had been out socially with his pal on three or four occasions when the undercover officer was with him.
âFor me to be investigated, I understand, but to go on my record when I was hanging out with a group of people? My friend sold drugs. Heâs an idiot. But I shouldnât get penalized for what he did.â
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He says he was never questioned so he had no idea there was a mark on his police record.
âI thought you had to be at least questioned before you got a record. I was just hanging out (with my friend) while he was investigated.â
A few days later, he received a couriered letter from the town saying he was terminated from the fire service due to a ânon-cleanâ background check.
Unless the law changes, firefighting is no longer a career possibility for Chris anywhere in Canada.
Living in a small town, the stigma lingers, he says.
âItâs embarrassing. I run into people all the time and they think Iâm a drug dealer. Everyone knows you got kicked off in a small town.â
All soundclip interviews courtesy of Canadian Civil Liberties Association (CCLA). Audio producer: Kevin Philipupillai
Mark de Pelham
Mark de Pelham, a 34-year-old Torontonian who has twice run for a seat in federal parliament, says he lost two jobs in 2008 as a result of drug-related charges for which he was never convicted.
Afterward, he took allegations of discrimination â based on his ârecord of offencesâ â to the Ontario Human Rights Tribunal. The tribunal dismissed his complaint in 2009, ruling that the Human Rights Code protects Ontarians with ârecord of offencesâ from discrimination if they were convicted of an offence. It does not, the tribunal ruled, extend that protection to those who have been charged but not convicted.
De Pelham calls that âabsurd.â
âSomeone convicted beyond a reasonable doubt and later pardoned is protected and Iâm not,â he says.
Things went swiftly downhill.
âI became fixated on the decision. It really precipitated an extended period of alcohol and drug use. It was rock bottom,â he says. âIf nobody else is going to hire you, youâre going to be angry at society and youâre not going to care.â
Last year, he pleaded guilty to possession of an unauthorized firearm and was sentenced to six months in jail. He served two months before being released on parole.
Now, he is challenging the constitutionality of the provinceâs Human Rights Code in a civil action against the Attorney General of Ontario.
Stacey
Like most Canadians, Stacey (who asked that her last name not be published) never imagined that calls to 911 would show up on her police record. The Coquitlam, B.C., resident says âsquabblesâ with her sister and mother beginning in 2005 triggered four calls to 911.
She thought nothing of them until she applied for a volunteer dog-walking position in 2010. The facility asked for a background check.
While no criminal convictions appeared, the 911 calls did.
She was turned down. She says she has been stopped at the U.S. border several times and turned back. She suspects this is a result of the same records.
âThey make you wait five hours in the office then they deny me access. It depends on who is at the border that day. If they pull me in, they always deny me.â
She has asked police to have the records expunged on the basis that they amount to health records and contain no criminal convictions.
âThey replied by saying, âYou do not have a record,â and not to worry about it. Yet it has left me frozen and uncertain of what lay ahead,â she says. âIt is preventing me from proper employment and re-entering society.â
Catherine
When Catherine (whose name and location is being withheld at her request) was studying nursing at an Ontario university two years ago, she was cracking the deanâs list and proving a natural at her chosen profession.
As part of the program, she underwent detailed police checks annually â all without incident.
Until 2012.
That year, a change in the police disclosure policy produced two incidents dating back to 2009 involving alleged âviolent and aggressiveâ behaviour noted by police.
Both stemmed from mental health incidents she suffered following the end of a relationship, she and her parents say.
In both cases, after having too much to drink, she said she wanted to end her life. Neither incident was remotely âviolentâ nor âaggressive,â they say.
âIâd been going through a rough time when that had happened and I was just getting over it,â says the 25 year old. âI was just starting to make something of my life and contribute to society and they threw that at me. And I couldnât even defend myself because it wasnât a charge where I could have my say. It was an encounter and it was completely one sided. I was shocked.â
Asked why the information was suddenly being released, police officials told her they had changed their disclosure policy to include mental health issues.
âShe was never charged with anything, but it could stick with her for the rest of her life,â says her father, who hired a lawyer to help clear her record.
The most vexing part, they say, is that if the police check had been conducted by a different force in another city, that same information would likely not have been included because of vast differences in policies from force to force, says her mother.
âItâs like a police state. It depends on where you are. You just donât know if something is going to come up. You donât know if you should call 911 because it could end up on their police check.â
The local police agreed to remove the mental health records following an appeal by the familyâs lawyers, but said the decision could be changed at any time.
Catherine is now working as a nurse in Ontario.
âMost jobs require you to get an updated vulnerable-sector check every few years so it puts you in a position where youâre not really secure,â she says. âIn my opinion, a vulnerable sector is looking for someone who is going to take advantage of vulnerable people and none of what I did would classify as someone who would do that.â
America and Europe has to reconsider how it engages with a country like Canada, this is the top of the iceberg and the more we influence you via Snowflakes in California and the like the closer you appear to be like us. You can just imagine what these same agencies do to businesses within Canadian borders...
Canadians stunned to learn they have police records, despite never being found guilty | Toronto Star
Chris
The 27-year-old construction worker hoped that firefighting was a calling he would one day turn into a profession.
He was overjoyed when he earned a part-time spot at his hometown firefighting service in Caledon last April. After training for months on weekends and occasional week nights, Chris (who asked that we not publish his last name) was asked to provide a âvulnerable sectorâ police check in August.
The results left him stunned.
While the check itself indicated no charges or convictions, there was a letter attached.
âIt said I was named in a drug investigation,â he says. âI asked them what was going on because I had no idea. Iâd never been talked to by police, pulled over or brought into a police station.â
It turns out a friend had been convicted on drug charges after being investigated by an undercover police officer. Chris had been out socially with his pal on three or four occasions when the undercover officer was with him.
âFor me to be investigated, I understand, but to go on my record when I was hanging out with a group of people? My friend sold drugs. Heâs an idiot. But I shouldnât get penalized for what he did.â
RELATED : No charges, no trial, but presumed guilty
He says he was never questioned so he had no idea there was a mark on his police record.
âI thought you had to be at least questioned before you got a record. I was just hanging out (with my friend) while he was investigated.â
A few days later, he received a couriered letter from the town saying he was terminated from the fire service due to a ânon-cleanâ background check.
Unless the law changes, firefighting is no longer a career possibility for Chris anywhere in Canada.
Living in a small town, the stigma lingers, he says.
âItâs embarrassing. I run into people all the time and they think Iâm a drug dealer. Everyone knows you got kicked off in a small town.â
All soundclip interviews courtesy of Canadian Civil Liberties Association (CCLA). Audio producer: Kevin Philipupillai
Mark de Pelham
Mark de Pelham, a 34-year-old Torontonian who has twice run for a seat in federal parliament, says he lost two jobs in 2008 as a result of drug-related charges for which he was never convicted.
Afterward, he took allegations of discrimination â based on his ârecord of offencesâ â to the Ontario Human Rights Tribunal. The tribunal dismissed his complaint in 2009, ruling that the Human Rights Code protects Ontarians with ârecord of offencesâ from discrimination if they were convicted of an offence. It does not, the tribunal ruled, extend that protection to those who have been charged but not convicted.
De Pelham calls that âabsurd.â
âSomeone convicted beyond a reasonable doubt and later pardoned is protected and Iâm not,â he says.
Things went swiftly downhill.
âI became fixated on the decision. It really precipitated an extended period of alcohol and drug use. It was rock bottom,â he says. âIf nobody else is going to hire you, youâre going to be angry at society and youâre not going to care.â
Last year, he pleaded guilty to possession of an unauthorized firearm and was sentenced to six months in jail. He served two months before being released on parole.
Now, he is challenging the constitutionality of the provinceâs Human Rights Code in a civil action against the Attorney General of Ontario.
Stacey
Like most Canadians, Stacey (who asked that her last name not be published) never imagined that calls to 911 would show up on her police record. The Coquitlam, B.C., resident says âsquabblesâ with her sister and mother beginning in 2005 triggered four calls to 911.
She thought nothing of them until she applied for a volunteer dog-walking position in 2010. The facility asked for a background check.
While no criminal convictions appeared, the 911 calls did.
She was turned down. She says she has been stopped at the U.S. border several times and turned back. She suspects this is a result of the same records.
âThey make you wait five hours in the office then they deny me access. It depends on who is at the border that day. If they pull me in, they always deny me.â
She has asked police to have the records expunged on the basis that they amount to health records and contain no criminal convictions.
âThey replied by saying, âYou do not have a record,â and not to worry about it. Yet it has left me frozen and uncertain of what lay ahead,â she says. âIt is preventing me from proper employment and re-entering society.â
Catherine
When Catherine (whose name and location is being withheld at her request) was studying nursing at an Ontario university two years ago, she was cracking the deanâs list and proving a natural at her chosen profession.
As part of the program, she underwent detailed police checks annually â all without incident.
Until 2012.
That year, a change in the police disclosure policy produced two incidents dating back to 2009 involving alleged âviolent and aggressiveâ behaviour noted by police.
Both stemmed from mental health incidents she suffered following the end of a relationship, she and her parents say.
In both cases, after having too much to drink, she said she wanted to end her life. Neither incident was remotely âviolentâ nor âaggressive,â they say.
âIâd been going through a rough time when that had happened and I was just getting over it,â says the 25 year old. âI was just starting to make something of my life and contribute to society and they threw that at me. And I couldnât even defend myself because it wasnât a charge where I could have my say. It was an encounter and it was completely one sided. I was shocked.â
Asked why the information was suddenly being released, police officials told her they had changed their disclosure policy to include mental health issues.
âShe was never charged with anything, but it could stick with her for the rest of her life,â says her father, who hired a lawyer to help clear her record.
The most vexing part, they say, is that if the police check had been conducted by a different force in another city, that same information would likely not have been included because of vast differences in policies from force to force, says her mother.
âItâs like a police state. It depends on where you are. You just donât know if something is going to come up. You donât know if you should call 911 because it could end up on their police check.â
The local police agreed to remove the mental health records following an appeal by the familyâs lawyers, but said the decision could be changed at any time.
Catherine is now working as a nurse in Ontario.
âMost jobs require you to get an updated vulnerable-sector check every few years so it puts you in a position where youâre not really secure,â she says. âIn my opinion, a vulnerable sector is looking for someone who is going to take advantage of vulnerable people and none of what I did would classify as someone who would do that.â
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