Can You Imagine If The US Shot Down An Airliner??

[MAGAman]

Trumpers will always find a way to say "but but but, that's different" when faced with facts....

The fact remains.....the US military shot down a passenger airliner and 290 people died...period.....

It is true and nobody blamed it on another country.

In this case:

Russia made the missile.
Iran shot the missile.
Obama paid for the missile.
Democrats blame Trump.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Trumpers will always find a way to say "but but but, that's different" when faced with facts....

The fact remains.....the US military shot down a passenger airliner and 290 people died...period.....

What a ******* moron.

Iran blew up a planeload of their own people. Decent folk find that bad. You stand with Iran, no matter what.

Terrorism, embraced by democrats, always...

It was bad. I hope the people of Iran get the results they are protesting for. Many things we have done have been as bad. See it's possible to see bad wherever it is. Where this idea of if you condemn the bad the U.S. does you are excusing the bad others do comes from. I can only guess that it comes from the anal region.

You grasp that Iran did this, not America, right? I guess if all you watch are the America hating vermin at CNN you didn't know this...

 

[whitehall]

Memory? Hillary's husband bombed Europe when he was caught with his pants down. That kind of memory?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Memory? Hillary's husband bombed Europe when he was caught with his pants down. That kind of memory?

Bombed Europe?

Damn, Sudan is in Europe, who knew?

 

[pknopp]

Trumpers will always find a way to say "but but but, that's different" when faced with facts....

The fact remains.....the US military shot down a passenger airliner and 290 people died...period.....

What a ******* moron.

Iran blew up a planeload of their own people. Decent folk find that bad. You stand with Iran, no matter what.

Terrorism, embraced by democrats, always...

It was bad. I hope the people of Iran get the results they are protesting for. Many things we have done have been as bad. See it's possible to see bad wherever it is. Where this idea of if you condemn the bad the U.S. does you are excusing the bad others do comes from. I can only guess that it comes from the anal region.

You grasp that Iran did this, not America, right? I guess if all you watch are the America hating vermin at CNN you didn't know this...

Did what? Not trying to be evasive but a lot of things happened. Shot down the plane? Yes Iran did that and I applaud the people protesting and I would love for us to follow their lead.

 

[blackhawk]

That was definitely a screw-up by Doocy, but as for the tragic mistake itself, keep this in mind what was occurring at the time the
Vincennes fired the missle.

Iran had gunboats in the water in the vincinity of the USS Vincennes and USS Montgomery.
About five minutes before IR655 took off from Bandar Abbas one of gunboats had fired at a helicopter from the Vincennes.

The cruiser had then turned to engage the gunboats and, in response, the gunboats had sped towards the Vincennes, as if to fire, according to the US military account.

Both the Vincennes and the Montgomery had then opened fire with five-inch guns, sinking two Iranian boats and damaging a third.
While still engaged with the Iranian boats, equipment onboard the Vincennes detected an approaching aircraft.

The aircraft headed directly for Vincennes on a constant bearing at high speed, approximately 450 knots, The New York Times report quoted Adm. Crowe as having said. “A warning was sent on both military and civilian distress signals beginning at 10.49 am. This procedure was repeated several times, but the aircraft neither answered nor changed its course.”

The crew on board the Vincennes noted that the aircraft was dropping in altitude and increasing its speed. At 10.51 am, it was warned again that it was approaching an American warship. Altogether, Adm. Crowe said, the plane was warned three times on the civilian distress channel and four times on the military channel.

Meanwhile, radar operators aboard the Vincennes had concluded that the inbound plane was an F-14, one of the world’s most powerful fighters at the time. About 80 of the American-built war jets had been delivered to Iran in the 1970s when the Shah’s government in Teheran (which was overthrown by the Islamic Revolution of 1979) was a US ally.

As per the US account, F-14 movements had been observed above Iran at the time, and in the prevailing highly tense situation, US commanders in the Gulf had been alerted that “Iranian units might attempt to carry out attacks against our forces over the Fourth of July holiday period”.

“The aircraft was declared hostile at 10.51 am,” Adm. Crowe said. “At 10.54 am, when the aircraft was about nine miles away, Vincennes fired two Standard surface-to-air missiles, at least one of which hit at an approximate range of six miles.”

President Reagan sent a diplomatic note to Iran that said: “This is a terrible human tragedy. Our sympathy and condolences go out to the passengers, crew, and their families. The Defense Department will conduct a full investigation. We deeply regret any loss of life.”

It seems memory is kryptonite to the OP and the anti Trumpers as well.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The circumstances surrounding that Iranian airliner accident were way different from this one.

Oh really? Okay, describe them for us. You can start with our boat, in Iranian waters, shooting down a civilian plane in Iranian airspace.

And, go!

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Obama paid for the missile

No, the missiles were bought before Obama took office. This is what Fox does to your brain.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

That was definitely a screw-up by Doocy, but as for the tragic mistake itself, keep this in mind what was occurring at the time the
Vincennes fired the missle.

Iran had gunboats in the water in the vincinity of the USS Vincennes and USS Montgomery.
About five minutes before IR655 took off from Bandar Abbas one of gunboats had fired at a helicopter from the Vincennes.

The cruiser had then turned to engage the gunboats and, in response, the gunboats had sped towards the Vincennes, as if to fire, according to the US military account.

Both the Vincennes and the Montgomery had then opened fire with five-inch guns, sinking two Iranian boats and damaging a third.
While still engaged with the Iranian boats, equipment onboard the Vincennes detected an approaching aircraft.

The aircraft headed directly for Vincennes on a constant bearing at high speed, approximately 450 knots, The New York Times report quoted Adm. Crowe as having said. “A warning was sent on both military and civilian distress signals beginning at 10.49 am. This procedure was repeated several times, but the aircraft neither answered nor changed its course.”

The crew on board the Vincennes noted that the aircraft was dropping in altitude and increasing its speed. At 10.51 am, it was warned again that it was approaching an American warship. Altogether, Adm. Crowe said, the plane was warned three times on the civilian distress channel and four times on the military channel.

Meanwhile, radar operators aboard the Vincennes had concluded that the inbound plane was an F-14, one of the world’s most powerful fighters at the time. About 80 of the American-built war jets had been delivered to Iran in the 1970s when the Shah’s government in Teheran (which was overthrown by the Islamic Revolution of 1979) was a US ally.

As per the US account, F-14 movements had been observed above Iran at the time, and in the prevailing highly tense situation, US commanders in the Gulf had been alerted that “Iranian units might attempt to carry out attacks against our forces over the Fourth of July holiday period”.

“The aircraft was declared hostile at 10.51 am,” Adm. Crowe said. “At 10.54 am, when the aircraft was about nine miles away, Vincennes fired two Standard surface-to-air missiles, at least one of which hit at an approximate range of six miles.”

President Reagan sent a diplomatic note to Iran that said: “This is a terrible human tragedy. Our sympathy and condolences go out to the passengers, crew, and their families. The Defense Department will conduct a full investigation. We deeply regret any loss of life.”

It seems memory is kryptonite to the OP and the anti Trumpers as well.

We negligently shot down a civilian airliner. It's really not different.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

The circumstances surrounding that Iranian airliner accident were way different from this one.

Oh really? Okay, describe them for us. You can start with our boat, in Iranian waters, shooting down a civilian plane in Iranian airspace.

And, go!

Americans did not shoot a missile at an airliner taking off from one of its own airports.

 

[Faun]

The circumstances surrounding that Iranian airliner accident were way different from this one.

Oh really? Okay, describe them for us. You can start with our boat, in Iranian waters, shooting down a civilian plane in Iranian airspace.

And, go!

Americans did not shoot a missile at an airliner taking off from one of its own airports.

Yeah, even worse, we shot down a commercial airliner in someone else's country.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

The circumstances surrounding that Iranian airliner accident were way different from this one.

Oh really? Okay, describe them for us. You can start with our boat, in Iranian waters, shooting down a civilian plane in Iranian airspace.

And, go!

Americans did not shoot a missile at an airliner taking off from one of its own airports.

Yeah, even worse, we shot down a commercial airliner in someone else's country.

As it failed to respond to calls from the ship that attacked it. The ship that was being attacked by Iranian gunboats which had just shot at helicopters flying over international airspace all in the middle of a war between Iran and a US ally at that time.
Yeah, it’s all the same to an American-hating democrat sheep like you.
Tehran is looking for a few IED test dummies like you.

 

[Faun]

The circumstances surrounding that Iranian airliner accident were way different from this one.

Oh really? Okay, describe them for us. You can start with our boat, in Iranian waters, shooting down a civilian plane in Iranian airspace.

And, go!

Americans did not shoot a missile at an airliner taking off from one of its own airports.

Yeah, even worse, we shot down a commercial airliner in someone else's country.

As it failed to respond to calls from the ship that attacked it. The ship that was being attacked by Iranian gunboats which had just shot at helicopters flying over international airspace all in the middle of a war between Iran and a US ally at that time.
Yeah, it’s all the same to an American-hating democrat sheep like you.
Tehran is looking for a few IED test dummies like you.

Even without responding, it put out a signal that it was a commercial flight. We ultimately paid up because we fucked up. Sad that you're so blind, you can't even see when America ***** up.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Geraldo embarrasses Fox & Friends host by pointing out America did actually shoot down an Iranian jetliner


Question......Can you imagine if the US military shot down a commercial airliner and killing everyone on board??

I have often said that memory is kryptonite to these so-called Trump conservatives and honestly to republicans in general....Geraldo of all people has once again slapped Fox & Friends in the face with facts..what was Steve Doocy thinking?? Oh I forgot, he is a robot......no wonder Hannity was smart enough to cancel Geraldo appearances -- it would have been embarrassing for Hannity to get owned like this on his own show during prime time...can't have that...

"While discussing the downed plane, Doocy asked Rivera, “Can you imagine if the United States of America accidentally shot down a jetliner?” Rivera, however, didn’t miss a beat and pointed out that the U.S. actually had done that in the 1980s. 'Well, you know Steve, we did in 1988,” he replied. “It was an international, uh — well not a scandal, but a big debate. Our guided-missile frigate Vincennes, in the Gulf there, shot down an Iranian passenger liner. 290 died, including over 60 children. And it was something that took us years to live down.”

As I said, memory is kryptonite to a Trumper....because indeed, we shot down an Iranian jetliner and we denied it....for years....in fact, Bush Sr said he would never apologize for it or anything else the US did...Many Iranians felt the jet was shot down in order to aid Iraq which was fighting a war with Iran at the time...it wasn't until 1996 or so that the US finally took some type of accountability and paid Iran 61 million dollars..This Iranian jet attack happened just 9 years after the citizens there overthrew the Shah -- who himself was put there after we decided to overthrow their leader..luckily no war erupted after the first jet being shot down and no war erupted after this jet being shot down....but as for the prospects of a peace deal coming immediately after this?? Doubt it..especially since we just tore up the nuke deal -- we may believe we are morally superior to everyone else on Earth but it will be naive of us to not at least understand why most Iranians have trust issues when it comes to us making deals....ask North Korea.....ask Libya.....

Clinton shot down a 747 out of New York City in 1996. And got away with it.

Why did the republicans let him get away with it then???

I don't recall them bringing it up during his impeachment -- they were too obsessed with who sucked his dick

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Trumpers will always find a way to say "but but but, that's different" when faced with facts....

The fact remains.....the US military shot down a passenger airliner and 290 people died...period.....

Nice try asshole. You got destroyed in your own thread by your omissions about the circumstances. Iran learned that day not to try to use commercial airliners to attack America or our military, because we will shoot it down.

But please, carry on with your pro-Iranian posts, so everyone can see what a treasonous idiot you are.

Still having a problem with the facts I see....

"I will never apologize for the United States — I don't care what the facts are... I'm not an apologize-for-America kind of guy." - George Bush, Aug 2 1988" --- He was talking about flight 665 you *****....

Now can you imagine if Iran said what Bush said??

Can you imagine how you dic suckers are gonna react when Iran forces the victims of the Ukrainian flight to drag it out for 8 years before Iran is forced to pay for what they did??

but I expect you dic suckers to lie.......

 

[22lcidw]

Geraldo embarrasses Fox & Friends host by pointing out America did actually shoot down an Iranian jetliner


Question......Can you imagine if the US military shot down a commercial airliner and killing everyone on board??

I have often said that memory is kryptonite to these so-called Trump conservatives and honestly to republicans in general....Geraldo of all people has once again slapped Fox & Friends in the face with facts..what was Steve Doocy thinking?? Oh I forgot, he is a robot......no wonder Hannity was smart enough to cancel Geraldo appearances -- it would have been embarrassing for Hannity to get owned like this on his own show during prime time...can't have that...

"While discussing the downed plane, Doocy asked Rivera, “Can you imagine if the United States of America accidentally shot down a jetliner?” Rivera, however, didn’t miss a beat and pointed out that the U.S. actually had done that in the 1980s. 'Well, you know Steve, we did in 1988,” he replied. “It was an international, uh — well not a scandal, but a big debate. Our guided-missile frigate Vincennes, in the Gulf there, shot down an Iranian passenger liner. 290 died, including over 60 children. And it was something that took us years to live down.”

As I said, memory is kryptonite to a Trumper....because indeed, we shot down an Iranian jetliner and we denied it....for years....in fact, Bush Sr said he would never apologize for it or anything else the US did...Many Iranians felt the jet was shot down in order to aid Iraq which was fighting a war with Iran at the time...it wasn't until 1996 or so that the US finally took some type of accountability and paid Iran 61 million dollars..This Iranian jet attack happened just 9 years after the citizens there overthrew the Shah -- who himself was put there after we decided to overthrow their leader..luckily no war erupted after the first jet being shot down and no war erupted after this jet being shot down....but as for the prospects of a peace deal coming immediately after this?? Doubt it..especially since we just tore up the nuke deal -- we may believe we are morally superior to everyone else on Earth but it will be naive of us to not at least understand why most Iranians have trust issues when it comes to us making deals....ask North Korea.....ask Libya.....

Clinton shot down a 747 out of New York City in 1996. And got away with it.

Why did the republicans let him get away with it then???

I don't recall them bringing it up during his impeachment -- they were too obsessed with who sucked his dick

It happened when he was President! He was the top dog...the big cheese....numero uno….the big enchilada... and so much more. With any Repub it is not Dem politicians who are just questioning. Its near every media person and near every entertainment person also. And they have the free airwaves to spew their garbage. A Repub president would have been skewered for months and longer. We phuked up. And Clinton covered it up.

 

[Faun]

Geraldo embarrasses Fox & Friends host by pointing out America did actually shoot down an Iranian jetliner


Question......Can you imagine if the US military shot down a commercial airliner and killing everyone on board??

I have often said that memory is kryptonite to these so-called Trump conservatives and honestly to republicans in general....Geraldo of all people has once again slapped Fox & Friends in the face with facts..what was Steve Doocy thinking?? Oh I forgot, he is a robot......no wonder Hannity was smart enough to cancel Geraldo appearances -- it would have been embarrassing for Hannity to get owned like this on his own show during prime time...can't have that...

"While discussing the downed plane, Doocy asked Rivera, “Can you imagine if the United States of America accidentally shot down a jetliner?” Rivera, however, didn’t miss a beat and pointed out that the U.S. actually had done that in the 1980s. 'Well, you know Steve, we did in 1988,” he replied. “It was an international, uh — well not a scandal, but a big debate. Our guided-missile frigate Vincennes, in the Gulf there, shot down an Iranian passenger liner. 290 died, including over 60 children. And it was something that took us years to live down.”

As I said, memory is kryptonite to a Trumper....because indeed, we shot down an Iranian jetliner and we denied it....for years....in fact, Bush Sr said he would never apologize for it or anything else the US did...Many Iranians felt the jet was shot down in order to aid Iraq which was fighting a war with Iran at the time...it wasn't until 1996 or so that the US finally took some type of accountability and paid Iran 61 million dollars..This Iranian jet attack happened just 9 years after the citizens there overthrew the Shah -- who himself was put there after we decided to overthrow their leader..luckily no war erupted after the first jet being shot down and no war erupted after this jet being shot down....but as for the prospects of a peace deal coming immediately after this?? Doubt it..especially since we just tore up the nuke deal -- we may believe we are morally superior to everyone else on Earth but it will be naive of us to not at least understand why most Iranians have trust issues when it comes to us making deals....ask North Korea.....ask Libya.....

Clinton shot down a 747 out of New York City in 1996. And got away with it.

Why did the republicans let him get away with it then???

I don't recall them bringing it up during his impeachment -- they were too obsessed with who sucked his dick

It happened when he was President! He was the top dog...the big cheese....numero uno….the big enchilada... and so much more. With any Repub it is not Dem politicians who are just questioning. Its near every media person and near every entertainment person also. And they have the free airwaves to spew their garbage. A Repub president would have been skewered for months and longer. We phuked up. And Clinton covered it up.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Geraldo embarrasses Fox & Friends host by pointing out America did actually shoot down an Iranian jetliner


Question......Can you imagine if the US military shot down a commercial airliner and killing everyone on board??

I have often said that memory is kryptonite to these so-called Trump conservatives and honestly to republicans in general....Geraldo of all people has once again slapped Fox & Friends in the face with facts..what was Steve Doocy thinking?? Oh I forgot, he is a robot......no wonder Hannity was smart enough to cancel Geraldo appearances -- it would have been embarrassing for Hannity to get owned like this on his own show during prime time...can't have that...

"While discussing the downed plane, Doocy asked Rivera, “Can you imagine if the United States of America accidentally shot down a jetliner?” Rivera, however, didn’t miss a beat and pointed out that the U.S. actually had done that in the 1980s. 'Well, you know Steve, we did in 1988,” he replied. “It was an international, uh — well not a scandal, but a big debate. Our guided-missile frigate Vincennes, in the Gulf there, shot down an Iranian passenger liner. 290 died, including over 60 children. And it was something that took us years to live down.”

As I said, memory is kryptonite to a Trumper....because indeed, we shot down an Iranian jetliner and we denied it....for years....in fact, Bush Sr said he would never apologize for it or anything else the US did...Many Iranians felt the jet was shot down in order to aid Iraq which was fighting a war with Iran at the time...it wasn't until 1996 or so that the US finally took some type of accountability and paid Iran 61 million dollars..This Iranian jet attack happened just 9 years after the citizens there overthrew the Shah -- who himself was put there after we decided to overthrow their leader..luckily no war erupted after the first jet being shot down and no war erupted after this jet being shot down....but as for the prospects of a peace deal coming immediately after this?? Doubt it..especially since we just tore up the nuke deal -- we may believe we are morally superior to everyone else on Earth but it will be naive of us to not at least understand why most Iranians have trust issues when it comes to us making deals....ask North Korea.....ask Libya.....

Clinton shot down a 747 out of New York City in 1996. And got away with it.

Why did the republicans let him get away with it then???

I don't recall them bringing it up during his impeachment -- they were too obsessed with who sucked his dick

It happened when he was President! He was the top dog...the big cheese....numero uno….the big enchilada... and so much more. With any Repub it is not Dem politicians who are just questioning. Its near every media person and near every entertainment person also. And they have the free airwaves to spew their garbage. A Repub president would have been skewered for months and longer. We phuked up. And Clinton covered it up.

He wasn't president in 1988........when are you going to address what i said.....

If that was Iran who said that -- you folks would be banging the drums for war.....

but you can keep on flailing around like a *****

 

[theHawk]

Trumpers will always find a way to say "but but but, that's different" when faced with facts....

The fact remains.....the US military shot down a passenger airliner and 290 people died...period.....

Nice try asshole. You got destroyed in your own thread by your omissions about the circumstances. Iran learned that day not to try to use commercial airliners to attack America or our military, because we will shoot it down.

But please, carry on with your pro-Iranian posts, so everyone can see what a treasonous idiot you are.

Still having a problem with the facts I see....

"I will never apologize for the United States — I don't care what the facts are... I'm not an apologize-for-America kind of guy." - George Bush, Aug 2 1988" --- He was talking about flight 665 you *****....

Now can you imagine if Iran said what Bush said??

Can you imagine how you dic suckers are gonna react when Iran forces the victims of the Ukrainian flight to drag it out for 8 years before Iran is forced to pay for what they did??

but I expect you dic suckers to lie.......

You’re the one who can’t handle facts. We shot down an airliner being used as a weapon. I don’t dispute it and won’t apologize for it.

Iran shot the plane down out of stupidity.

 

[Coyote]

The circumstances surrounding that Iranian airliner accident were way different from this one. You should be embarrassed for attempting a comparison.

No they weren’t. Both were tragic mistakes in times of heightened tensions.