Can You Be Both An American and A Progressive?

[PoliticalChic]

While they might be considered Americans, I don't think that they're what the founding fathers were hoping for when they conceived the idea for this nation. It seems to me that progressives often consider themselves to be world citizens that happen to have the misfortune to be born in the horrible USA.

A great point, and I would have covered it except that, as has been indicated, the post would have been overlong.

I posted to Jillian about Roscoe Pound of Harvard, and this goes to your point:

"What was evident in his first published book in law, however, was his deep indebtedness to German modes of thinking. He was committed to moving the study of law and jurisprudence away from the method of deduction from predetermined conceptions. Calling this "conceptualism," Pound sought to adjust principles and doctrines of law to the realities of the human condition…. wanted to extract wisdom from German social sicence to apply to American law.: law must leave "conceptions" and open itself up to social realities of the modern world.”… the backwardness of law in meeting social ends,…” roscoe pound and jurisprudence and 1903 and nebraska and harvard law school
He was perhaps the chief U.S. advocate of sociological jurisprudence, which holds that statutes and court decisions are affected by social conditions; his ideas apparently influenced the New Deal programs of Pres. Franklin D. Roosevelt. Roscoe Pound: Biography from Answers.com

 

[traveler52]

I am a Proud Progessive and a Proud American. No one single pollitical party or political philosophy owns the right to be called "American" to the exclusion of others.

Before people start deciding is and/or is not "American" we need to remember that in the 1930's the only way to a "Good German" was to be a member of the Nazi Party.

Being Progressive does not diminish being an American any more than being a Conservative make one more of an American. It does however make us Americans.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Interesting approach to intellectual discourse.

What do you expect when asking such a stupid question?
No wonder you like McCarthy!

You saved me the trouble. Much obliged.

I'm starting to suspect that you lack the ability to actually deal with the post.

"I don't like you" is hardly an exposition of a critical alternative viewpoint.

Care to try again?

 

[Luissa]

What do you expect when asking such a stupid question?
No wonder you like McCarthy!

You saved me the trouble. Much obliged.

I'm starting to suspect that you lack the ability to actually deal with the post.

"I don't like you" is hardly an exposition of a critical alternative viewpoint.

Care to try again?

You are asking if a group of people who pay taxes and are citizens of this country are really Americans. The point isn't that we don't like you, the point is you are partisan hack, who has taken her love for McCarthy too far.

 

[TheSuaveOne]

You seem to be implying that Woodrow Wilson was not an American?

-TSO

 

[masquerade]

What a load of diaper sludge.

I hope you didnt spend to much time on this hate rant.

Interesting approach to intellectual discourse.

You struck a nerve Political Chic!

 

[L.K.Eder]

the great progressive hunt reminds me of this profound piece of intelligent well-reasoned endeavor.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I am a Proud Progessive and a Proud American. No one single pollitical party or political philosophy owns the right to be called "American" to the exclusion of others.

Before people start deciding is and/or is not "American" we need to remember that in the 1930's the only way to a "Good German" was to be a member of the Nazi Party.

Being Progressive does not diminish being an American any more than being a Conservative make one more of an American. It does however make us Americans.

An here are attempting a shot at the OP...

Thank you.

There are Progressives in both parties.

To expand on the OP, the term 'American' is here used to define those who believe:
1. are born with inalienable rights, given by their Creator...not by any government or law.
This is at variance to the European view, expressed by Progressives.

2. That separation of powers is commendable, and so is the system of checks and balances in our Constitution. This is not the view of Progressives, early and late, who see same as an impediment to rapid change, and total control of the lives of citizens.

3. The rule of law and of property rights are inherent in the American system, and are not malleable to the whims of government. This is not the view of Progressives.

4. Neither the Declaration of Independence nor the Constitution are outdated. This is not the view of Progressives.

5. As you would like to bring liberal- conservative into the discussion, clearlly conservatives fall within the parameters of my definition. Liberals are to a great degree Progressives. John Dewey, another Progressive, co-opted the term Liberal when there was a negative reaction to 'Progressive.'

"Being Progressive does not diminish being an American any more than being a Conservative make one more of an American."
If you accept the above, you are most certainly wrong.


I am certainly willing to agree with you about being a good American if you mean that you wish to call yourself liberal or progressive, but feel as I do about the Declaration and the Constitution.

The word matters less than the view.

 

[ihopehefails]

So progressives are the latest ememy of America?
Why?
And just what is a progressive?

Its the communist movement of the early 20th century. It encompassed all political parties from T. Rosevelt to Wildrow Wilson. It was also during this period that the socialist party of America actually got a significant percent of presidential votes in 1912.

 

[JenT]

I am a Proud Progessive and a Proud American. No one single pollitical party or political philosophy owns the right to be called "American" to the exclusion of others.

Before people start deciding is and/or is not "American" we need to remember that in the 1930's the only way to a "Good German" was to be a member of the Nazi Party.

Being Progressive does not diminish being an American any more than being a Conservative make one more of an American. It does however make us Americans.

If you're a Progressive in the true sense of the word, then you're about changing the Constitution, removing rights, which is exactly in line with whatever wannabe dictator needs to do.

Why in the world would anyone voluntarily want to remove what protects us from dictators?
What sets us apart, what keeps us free? If you want to live under tyranny there are plenty of countries already there.

 

[Truthmatters]

I am a Proud Progessive and a Proud American. No one single pollitical party or political philosophy owns the right to be called "American" to the exclusion of others.

Before people start deciding is and/or is not "American" we need to remember that in the 1930's the only way to a "Good German" was to be a member of the Nazi Party.

Being Progressive does not diminish being an American any more than being a Conservative make one more of an American. It does however make us Americans.

If you're a Progressive in the true sense of the word, then you're about changing the Constitution, removing rights, which is exactly in line with whatever wannabe dictator needs to do.

Why in the world would anyone voluntarily want to remove what protects us from dictators?
What sets us apart, what keeps us free? If you want to live under tyranny there are plenty of countries already there.

Another load of diaper sludge and hate.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You saved me the trouble. Much obliged.

I'm starting to suspect that you lack the ability to actually deal with the post.

"I don't like you" is hardly an exposition of a critical alternative viewpoint.

Care to try again?

You are asking if a group of people who pay taxes and are citizens of this country are really Americans. The point isn't that we don't like you, the point is you are partisan hack, who has taken her love for McCarthy too far.

The definitions of 'American,' as used here, is far from " pay taxes and are citizens..."

Certainly you are able to comprehend that...or is the result of a substandard government education too debilitating?

And is the word 'we' is "The point isn't that we don't like you," because you are afraid to stand alone?

You can learn from me...fear not.

And the McCarthy reference... does this mean that here is another OP that you cannot put a dent in?

Come now, attack the OP ...if you can.

 

[JenT]

Once you understand how evil Progressivism is, you understand where Progressives have been working to take us and suddenly everything fits. And it's coming from BOTH sides of the aisle and has been for years.

I think that if the Republicans want to retain the conservative vote, they need to start an affirmation to restore the Constitution a lot closer to how it was written, not what it's been corrupted into.

 

[JenT]

I am a Proud Progessive and a Proud American. No one single pollitical party or political philosophy owns the right to be called "American" to the exclusion of others.

Before people start deciding is and/or is not "American" we need to remember that in the 1930's the only way to a "Good German" was to be a member of the Nazi Party.

Being Progressive does not diminish being an American any more than being a Conservative make one more of an American. It does however make us Americans.

If you're a Progressive in the true sense of the word, then you're about changing the Constitution, removing rights, which is exactly in line with whatever wannabe dictator needs to do.

Why in the world would anyone voluntarily want to remove what protects us from dictators?
What sets us apart, what keeps us free? If you want to live under tyranny there are plenty of countries already there.

Another load of diaper sludge and hate.

Progressive agenda being exposed is not hate. It's education.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You seem to be implying that Woodrow Wilson was not an American?

-TSO

Woodrow Wilson serves as the starting point for a political viewpoint that openly and directly attacked the touchstones of 'Americanism,' and for that reason is my bete noire.

Care to defend his thesis?

 

[Luissa]

I am a Proud Progessive and a Proud American. No one single pollitical party or political philosophy owns the right to be called "American" to the exclusion of others.

Before people start deciding is and/or is not "American" we need to remember that in the 1930's the only way to a "Good German" was to be a member of the Nazi Party.

Being Progressive does not diminish being an American any more than being a Conservative make one more of an American. It does however make us Americans.

If you're a Progressive in the true sense of the word, then you're about changing the Constitution, removing rights, which is exactly in line with whatever wannabe dictator needs to do.

Why in the world would anyone voluntarily want to remove what protects us from dictators?
What sets us apart, what keeps us free? If you want to live under tyranny there are plenty of countries already there.

You really need to learn what progressive means, along with communism, and marxism.
I will give you hint why you are very wrong, each other those in their true form would never have a dictatorship.

 

[VaYank5150]

You seem to be implying that Woodrow Wilson was not an American?

-TSO

Woodrow Wilson serves as the starting point for a political viewpoint that openly and directly attacked the touchstones of 'Americanism,' and for that reason is my bete noire.

Care to defend his thesis?

We speak English here in America. Take your french dialogue somewhere else, would you?

 

[Truthmatters]

If you're a Progressive in the true sense of the word, then you're about changing the Constitution, removing rights, which is exactly in line with whatever wannabe dictator needs to do.

Why in the world would anyone voluntarily want to remove what protects us from dictators?
What sets us apart, what keeps us free? If you want to live under tyranny there are plenty of countries already there.

Another load of diaper sludge and hate.

Progressive agenda being exposed is not hate. It's education.

Lying about what your fellow Americans believe is not going to make the failed ideas you hold any more unfailed. You hate half of your countrymen for the sake of a failed party.

How very sad you are.

 

[Contessa_Sharra]

Can you be both a Progressive and an American?

Question: Can you be a totally immoral unethical braindead asshole righty and still be "American?"

Why not? YOU ARE, LOL!!!!!


Hey we on the progressive side make room for and take care of the needy like you!

 

[PoliticalChic]

You seem to be implying that Woodrow Wilson was not an American?

-TSO

Woodrow Wilson serves as the starting point for a political viewpoint that openly and directly attacked the touchstones of 'Americanism,' and for that reason is my bete noire.

Care to defend his thesis?

We speak English here in America. Take your french dialogue somewhere else, would you?

Education offends you?

Ah, now I understand the superficiality of your posts.



In three posts you have not deigned to address the actual OP.

Come on, now.

Honesty rquires you to attack or defend...stop dancing around the periphery! Don't be one of those who have fallen off the thread because they can't.

This is the fun part!