PoliticalChic
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Can you be both a Progressive and an American?
Well, lets see what Progressives believe, and see if you can subscribe
1. The Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution are founded on the idea that people are born with inalienable rights, given by ones Creator, not by a legislative body or government that can decide which ones you have, and can remove them.
a. Not according to Progressives. Woodrow Wilson, of the Declaration of Independence, from What is Progress?
Some citizens of this country never got beyond the Declaration of Independence, signed in Philadelphia, July 4th, 1776 .The Declaration of Independence did not mention the questions of our day. It is of no consequence to us unless we can translate its general terms into examples of the present day and substitute them in some vital way for the examples it itself gives
b. Wilson: the Constitution could be stripped off and thrown aside ( Project MUSE - Journal of Policy History - Woodrow Wilson and a World Governed by Evolving Law Project MUSE Journals Journal of Policy History Volume 20, Number 1, 2008 Project MUSE - Journal of Policy History - Woodrow Wilson and a World Governed by Evolving Law
The Constitution stands in the way of the Progressives' agenda.
2. The founders believed in the sanctity of private property but not Progressives:
a. Madison, 1792, said that property included our natural rights, and the goal of government is the protection of property.
b. Woodrow Wilson, in his essay Socialism and Democracy said Limitations of public authority must be put aside; the state may cross that boundary at will. The collective is not limited by individual rights.
3. How about the idea of checks and balances, you know, so that no one branch or individual accumulates too much power? Good idea or bad?
a.Federalist #10- checks and balances, to keep passions in check.
b. Tocqueville tells how centralization of power can lead to despotism. Beware of government by experts and bureaucrats.
c. Woodrow Wilson, in his essay What is Progress? Wilson compares the Founders ideas of checks and balances as the construction of a government as one would construct an orrery, a simple machine, based on immutable laws as in Newtonian physics, while he contends that government should conform to Darwin. It is modified by its environment, necessitated by its tasks, shaped to its functions by the sheer pressure of life. No living thing can have its organs offset against each other, as checks, and live. See, Progressives want on separation or check on the power to do as they wish.
4. Progressives know how stupid the masses are, and that is why Progressive journalists editorialize instead of report the news to tell you what you should think.
a. : President Woodrow Wilson, a leading progressive, spoke often of his "vision," introducing a term that has now become central to our understanding of presidential politics. Wilson believed, as Kesler puts it, "that to become a leader you have to have a vision of the future and communicate that vision to the unanointed, mass public. You have to make them believe in your prophetic ability."
The Roots Of Liberalism - Forbes.com
b. Modern journalism is based on Progressives ideas: use the media to teach people. Alter journalism from reporting facts to editorializing in the news, as the elites always know better. Walter Lippmann, Progressive (American newspaper commentator and author who in a 60-year career made himself one of the most widely respected political columnists in the world.)Public Opinion, When properly deployed in the public interest, the manufacture of consent is useful and necessary for a cohesive society, because, in many cases, the common interests of the public are not obvious, and only become clear upon careful analysis of the collected data a critical intellectual exercise in which most people either are uninterested or incapable of doing. Therefore, most people must have the world summarized for them, by the well-informed. Public Opinion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
5.But thats the old time Progressive not the current group. Right? Wrong.
a. Does President Obama believe in three separate branches of government? Well, Congress refused to pass his commission idea, so in the SOTU he said hed just use executive order to create it. And he insisted that Congress overturn the Supreme Court decision or, I guess, another executive order?
b. Ms. Clinton: "I prefer the word progressive, which has a real American meaning, going back to the progressive era at the beginning of the 20th century. Hillary Clinton: Im Not a Liberal
c. Axelrod claims the WH is Progressive:
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Well, lets see what Progressives believe, and see if you can subscribe
1. The Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution are founded on the idea that people are born with inalienable rights, given by ones Creator, not by a legislative body or government that can decide which ones you have, and can remove them.
a. Not according to Progressives. Woodrow Wilson, of the Declaration of Independence, from What is Progress?
Some citizens of this country never got beyond the Declaration of Independence, signed in Philadelphia, July 4th, 1776 .The Declaration of Independence did not mention the questions of our day. It is of no consequence to us unless we can translate its general terms into examples of the present day and substitute them in some vital way for the examples it itself gives
b. Wilson: the Constitution could be stripped off and thrown aside ( Project MUSE - Journal of Policy History - Woodrow Wilson and a World Governed by Evolving Law Project MUSE Journals Journal of Policy History Volume 20, Number 1, 2008 Project MUSE - Journal of Policy History - Woodrow Wilson and a World Governed by Evolving Law
The Constitution stands in the way of the Progressives' agenda.
2. The founders believed in the sanctity of private property but not Progressives:
a. Madison, 1792, said that property included our natural rights, and the goal of government is the protection of property.
b. Woodrow Wilson, in his essay Socialism and Democracy said Limitations of public authority must be put aside; the state may cross that boundary at will. The collective is not limited by individual rights.
3. How about the idea of checks and balances, you know, so that no one branch or individual accumulates too much power? Good idea or bad?
a.Federalist #10- checks and balances, to keep passions in check.
b. Tocqueville tells how centralization of power can lead to despotism. Beware of government by experts and bureaucrats.
c. Woodrow Wilson, in his essay What is Progress? Wilson compares the Founders ideas of checks and balances as the construction of a government as one would construct an orrery, a simple machine, based on immutable laws as in Newtonian physics, while he contends that government should conform to Darwin. It is modified by its environment, necessitated by its tasks, shaped to its functions by the sheer pressure of life. No living thing can have its organs offset against each other, as checks, and live. See, Progressives want on separation or check on the power to do as they wish.
4. Progressives know how stupid the masses are, and that is why Progressive journalists editorialize instead of report the news to tell you what you should think.
a. : President Woodrow Wilson, a leading progressive, spoke often of his "vision," introducing a term that has now become central to our understanding of presidential politics. Wilson believed, as Kesler puts it, "that to become a leader you have to have a vision of the future and communicate that vision to the unanointed, mass public. You have to make them believe in your prophetic ability."
The Roots Of Liberalism - Forbes.com
b. Modern journalism is based on Progressives ideas: use the media to teach people. Alter journalism from reporting facts to editorializing in the news, as the elites always know better. Walter Lippmann, Progressive (American newspaper commentator and author who in a 60-year career made himself one of the most widely respected political columnists in the world.)Public Opinion, When properly deployed in the public interest, the manufacture of consent is useful and necessary for a cohesive society, because, in many cases, the common interests of the public are not obvious, and only become clear upon careful analysis of the collected data a critical intellectual exercise in which most people either are uninterested or incapable of doing. Therefore, most people must have the world summarized for them, by the well-informed. Public Opinion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
5.But thats the old time Progressive not the current group. Right? Wrong.
a. Does President Obama believe in three separate branches of government? Well, Congress refused to pass his commission idea, so in the SOTU he said hed just use executive order to create it. And he insisted that Congress overturn the Supreme Court decision or, I guess, another executive order?
b. Ms. Clinton: "I prefer the word progressive, which has a real American meaning, going back to the progressive era at the beginning of the 20th century. Hillary Clinton: Im Not a Liberal
c. Axelrod claims the WH is Progressive:
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