Zone1 Can you be both a Catholic and an abortionist? (Poll)

[kyzr]

Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi are supposed to be Pro-Life Catholics.

Yet they are very vocal supporters of abortions on demand. So what punishment should the Catholic church impose, if any?

Nancy Pelosi responds to being barred from Communion: I respect pro-life views but not ‘foisting them onto others’

“I come from a largely pro-life, Italian-American Catholic family, so I respect people's views about that, but I don’t respect us foisting it onto others,” Ms. Pelosi said in response to the move by Archbishop Cordileone.

www.americamagazine.org

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/17/politics/catholic-bishops-communion-biden-abortion/index.html

So the toothless feckless Bishops don't currently punish politicians for their pro-abortion policies. No Excommunication, no denial of Communion, not even recommending voting against them in favor of Pro-Life candidates. So what does that tell us about hypocritical Bishops?

 

[kyzr]

Catholics are supposed to live their religion.
This means keep the faith, even if it means opposing politically unpopular policies.
Evangelicals are very vocal is supporting Pro-Life policies politically.
The Catholic Church does not exert political pressure in support of Church policies.

 

[Donald H]

Speaking favourably for the Catholics, yes they can permit some abortions.
They 'do' throughout the world, but that could stop being so in America.

 

[boevans]

Their religious lives, unlike Trump's lack of it, is not your business.

 

[kyzr]

Their religious lives, unlike Trump's lack of it, is not your business.

If religious lives, or lack of it, affects my families values yes it is my business.
Whether its what is taught in schools, or deviant behaviors, or drag shows, or abortions on demand, we need to stand up for decency and traditional family values.

 

[boevans]

If religious lives, or lack of it, affects my families values yes it is my business.
Whether its what is taught in schools, or deviant behaviors, or drag shows, or abortions on demand, we need to stand up for decency and traditional family values.

Their lives and values as are important to them as you to yours

All are equal under the law, except where it breaks the law.

Your lifestyle is no more important under the law then theirs.

 

[kyzr]

Their lives and values as are important to them as you to yours

All are equal under the law, except where it breaks the law.

Your lifestyle is no more important under the law then theirs.

Schools need to thread the needle to just teach the STEM subjects and not to expose or groom kids to deviant behaviors.

 

[Cougarbear]

Hypocrisy is abundant in the Catholic Church. So, of course it's possible.

 

[boevans]

Deviant behavior defines the Christianity of today.

I had a college instructor who defended God ordering the destruction of women and children, I knew nuns who had crushed on inquisitors.

You guys and your lifestyles are not the model,

Schools need to thread the needle to just teach the STEM subjects and not to expose or groom kids to deviant behaviors.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi are supposed to be Pro-Life Catholics.

Yet they are very vocal supporters of abortions on demand. So what punishment should the Catholic church impose, if any?

Nancy Pelosi responds to being barred from Communion: I respect pro-life views but not ‘foisting them onto others’

“I come from a largely pro-life, Italian-American Catholic family, so I respect people's views about that, but I don’t respect us foisting it onto others,” Ms. Pelosi said in response to the move by Archbishop Cordileone.

www.americamagazine.org

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/17/politics/catholic-bishops-communion-biden-abortion/index.html

So the toothless feckless Bishops don't currently punish politicians for their pro-abortion policies. No Excommunication, no denial of Communion, not even recommending voting against them in favor of Pro-Life candidates. So what does that tell us about hypocritical Bishops?

What are u talking about? Right there in one of the links it says Pelousi was denied Communion.

The Church can't give her the death penalty (but she will be punished in the next life, which will be her death penalty.. Did you see the video on You Tube about Hitler being seen in Hell going into the gas chambers the Jews were forced into, had to go as many times as there were Jews who died. God is not mocked, the Bible says.. What you sow, so shall you reap.
The idea! That views on abortion are just one person's views v another's, and if we stand for life, it is "forcing others" to choose.. what? not to murder?

Jesus is not amused.

 

[Crick]

Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi are supposed to be Pro-Life Catholics.

Yet they are very vocal supporters of abortions on demand. So what punishment should the Catholic church impose, if any?

Nancy Pelosi responds to being barred from Communion: I respect pro-life views but not ‘foisting them onto others’

“I come from a largely pro-life, Italian-American Catholic family, so I respect people's views about that, but I don’t respect us foisting it onto others,” Ms. Pelosi said in response to the move by Archbishop Cordileone.

www.americamagazine.org

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/17/politics/catholic-bishops-communion-biden-abortion/index.html

So the toothless feckless Bishops don't currently punish politicians for their pro-abortion policies. No Excommunication, no denial of Communion, not even recommending voting against them in favor of Pro-Life candidates. So what does that tell us about hypocritical Bishops?

For this thread to make any sense, there would have to arguably be something intrinsic to the core beliefs of the church that unavoidably led to the conclusion that life begins at conception. I don't see it but perhaps someone can point out something I've missed.

 

[Resnic]

No.

That is a fundamental no no for anyone that considers themselves a Catholic. You pretty much can not be Catholic and be for abortion. It's 2 major things. Murder and harming children, and Jesus was against both.

But a lot of people anymore that claim to be religious treat religion like a salad bar. They look at it, pick out what they want, and leave the rest.

 

[kyzr]

Deviant behavior defines the Christianity of today.
I had a college instructor who defended God ordering the destruction of women and children, I knew nuns who had crushed on inquisitors.
You guys and your lifestyles are not the model,

You type nonsense with no explanation.
I call bullshit.

 

[kyzr]

What are u talking about? Right there in one of the links it says Pelosi was denied Communion.

The Church can't give her the death penalty (but she will be punished in the next life, which will be her death penalty.. Did you see the video on YouTube about Hitler being seen in Hell going into the gas chambers the Jews were forced into, had to go as many times as there were Jews who died. God is not mocked, the Bible says.. What you sow, so shall you reap.
The idea! That views on abortion are just one person's views v another's, and if we stand for life, it is "forcing others" to choose.. what? not to murder? Jesus is not amused.

Why can't the Catholic Church give public figures the "death penalty", aka "Excommunication" for supporting abortion on demand?

Didn't find the Hitler video, can you link it? Otherwise I call bullshit.

OK, so we're Pro-Life. Political power says we are at a disadvantage, women prefer abortion to unwanted kids, and vote accordingly.

 

[kyzr]

For this thread to make any sense, there would have to arguably be something intrinsic to the core beliefs of the church that unavoidably led to the conclusion that life begins at conception. I don't see it but perhaps someone can point out something I've missed.

That's as basic as it gets, LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION.

Catholic Church and abortion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The official teachings of the Catechism of the Catholic Church promulgated by Pope John Paul II in 1992 oppose all forms of abortion procedures whose direct purpose is to destroy a zygote, blastocyst, embryo or fetus, since it holds that "human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception.

 

[boevans]

You type nonsense with no explanation.
I call bullshit.

Look at your evangelical, Pentecostal, and fundamentalist churches. The do not teach of gospel of love, forgiveness, mercy, and justice.

 

[ding]

For this thread to make any sense, there would have to arguably be something intrinsic to the core beliefs of the church that unavoidably led to the conclusion that life begins at conception. I don't see it but perhaps someone can point out something I've missed.

You mean besides the scientific evidence that life begins at conception?

As for this thread it's as idiotic to argue that all Christians should vote for Republicans as it is to argue that all Christians should vote for Democrats.

 

[kyzr]

Look at your evangelical, Pentecostal, and fundamentalist churches. They do not teach of gospel of love, forgiveness, mercy, and justice.

This is what you did not prove: (I think only Catholics have nuns. How do you know what nuns crushed on??)
Deviant behavior defines the Christianity of today.
I had a college instructor who defended God ordering the destruction of women and children, I knew nuns who had crushed on inquisitors.
You guys and your lifestyles are not the model,

 

[kyzr]

You mean besides the scientific evidence that life begins at conception?
As for this thread it's as idiotic to argue that all Christians should vote for Republicans as it is to argue that all Christians should vote for Democrats.

My argument is that pro-abortion politicians shouldn't be allowed to say they are Catholic.
They should bt Excommunicated from Catholicism and made to find a pro-choice church.

 

[80zephyr]

For this thread to make any sense, there would have to arguably be something intrinsic to the core beliefs of the church that unavoidably led to the conclusion that life begins at conception. I don't see it but perhaps someone can point out something I've missed.

Science says human life begins at conception. You do believe in science, don't you?