Can you be Anti Authoritarian on the left?

[Faun]

“Provide for the general welfare...."

...is strictly limited to the 18 enumerated powers of the federal government.

"The first clause of Article I, Section 8, reads, "The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts andExcises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States." This clause,called the General Welfare Clause or the Spending Power Clause, does not grant Congress the power to legislate for the general welfare of the country; that is a power reserved to the states through the Tenth Amendment. Rather, it merely allows Congress to spend federal money for the general welfare. "

Yeah..within their 18 enumerated powers. You proved it yourself in the sentence before the one you bolded. The “General Welfare” clause refers to their 18 enumerated powers only.

That is the first enumeration.

 

[Syriusly]

Keeping it short since that seems to get more of a response.

Mostly a question to those who self identify as being more left wing.
And hopefully is treated with honest responses and not just emotional venting.


Also is there a forum "topic" for just asking questions and getting honest responses from both sides of the spectrum? you know, learn why a side thinks the way the do?

Sure- of course everyone will disagree on what that means.

For example- I think that civil forfeiture laws that allow law enforcement to seize and either sell or assume ownership of private property, without even a criminal conviction- to be a huge abuse of authority.

On the other hand- I happen to agree with arresting and convicting criminals.

 

[Crepitus]

Keeping it short since that seems to get more of a response.

Mostly a question to those who self identify as being more left wing.
And hopefully is treated with honest responses and not just emotional venting.


Also is there a forum "topic" for just asking questions and getting honest responses from both sides of the spectrum? you know, learn why a side thinks the way the do?

Um, being anti-authoritarian is pretty much what the left is all about.

Interesting can you explain more?
If the authority at hand is government do you still believe it to be true?

Yes. the things we on the left want to accomplish with government are about enhancing freedom, safety, and quality of life for the majority of people.

What you WANT and how you GET it are 2 different issues. It's how you go about "enhancing safety and quality of life". And to what extent you USE govt FORCE to achieve it. That's where the authoritarian vs libertarian dimension of politics comes in. REDISTRIBUTION of stuff is pretty authoritarian if the "stuff" was LEGALLY acquired. So is making folks criminals for passing out soda straws or buying Big Gulps.

But the more important stuff would be like LOVING a monstrous Big Brother Domestic Spying you bought for NSA capability that BOTH parties seems to feel they can't live without now. EVEN WORSE -- supporting it's use to SPY on an opposition political campaign for apparently no good reason...

I think you're confused. I do not support big brother like spying. It's a debunked conservative meme that it was used to spy on political opposition. As far as authoritarian let's look at an example. Democrats want to make it legal for gay people.to get married. Republicans want to make it illegal. Which one enhances freedom and quality of life? Anti-discrimination laws are about more freedom for more people, not less.

 

[P@triot]

You mean like abortion, which protects individual rights of women to control their own body?

You mean like abortion - which gives women the right to control and terminate the life of another (proven by science through the unique DNA of the child)?

That’s what authoritarianism always does. Look how many people Joesph Stalin executed. Same with Saddam Hussein. Fidel Castro. And now asshole parasites like you want that some time of oppression here.

 

[Oddball]

I think you're confused. I do not support big brother like spying. It's a debunked conservative meme that it was used to spy on political opposition. As far as authoritarian let's look at an example. Democrats want to make it legal for gay people.to get married. Republicans want to make it illegal. Which one enhances freedom and quality of life? Anti-discrimination laws are about more freedom for more people, not less.

Then you should be against the licensing of private contractual agreements by The State, which you are not....You are foursquare behind this licensing, and want this authoritarian attitude expanded to include favored political pressure groups.

You are, in fact, a full-throated authoritarian.

 

[P@triot]

As far as authoritarian let's look at an example. Democrats want to make it legal for gay people.to get married. Republicans want to make it illegal. Which one enhances freedom and quality of life?

Yes. Let’s look at gay marriage. You left-wing parasites want to force government to climb in bed with people. We conservatives are trying to keep government out of the bedrooms of America and limited to their constitutional responsibilities.

So which one is authoritarian? Don’t answer asshat. It’s rhetorical. The world already knows you cannot have right-wing authoritarianism. It is exclusively a left-wing trait.

 

[Faun]

You mean like abortion, which protects individual rights of women to control their own body?

You mean like abortion - which gives women the right to control and terminate the life of another (proven by science through the unique DNA of the child)?

That’s what authoritarianism always does. Look how many people Joesph Stalin executed. Same with Saddam Hussein. Fidel Castro. And now asshole parasites like you want that some time of oppression here.

A fetus doesn’t have individual rights.

 

[Faun]

As far as authoritarian let's look at an example. Democrats want to make it legal for gay people.to get married. Republicans want to make it illegal. Which one enhances freedom and quality of life?

Yes. Let’s look at gay marriage. You left-wing parasites want to force government to climb in bed with people. We conservatives are trying to keep government out of the bedrooms of America and limited to their constitutional responsibilities.

So which one is authoritarian? Don’t answer asshat. It’s rhetorical. The world already knows you cannot have right-wing authoritarianism. It is exclusively a left-wing trait.

LOLOL

You’re the one who wants to use the government to deny gays legal marriage.

 

[P@triot]

A fetus doesn’t have individual rights.

Please show us where that is written...

The right to life is the most basic, fundamental right. Would you like to try again?

 

[P@triot]

You’re the one who wants to use the government to deny gays legal marriage.

Yeah...government doesn’t belong in their bed. If they can find a church to marry them - go for it! Nobody is stopping them.

 

[Crepitus]

I think you're confused. I do not support big brother like spying. It's a debunked conservative meme that it was used to spy on political opposition. As far as authoritarian let's look at an example. Democrats want to make it legal for gay people.to get married. Republicans want to make it illegal. Which one enhances freedom and quality of life? Anti-discrimination laws are about more freedom for more people, not less.

Then you should be against the licensing of private contractual agreements by The State, which you are not....You are foursquare behind this licensing, and want this authoritarian attitude expanded to include favored political pressure groups.

You are, in fact, a full-throated authoritarian.

Wow, that's one of the most bass ackwards things I have read in a long time.

 

[NightFox]

Keeping it short since that seems to get more of a response.

Mostly a question to those who self identify as being more left wing.
And hopefully is treated with honest responses and not just emotional venting.


Also is there a forum "topic" for just asking questions and getting honest responses from both sides of the spectrum? you know, learn why a side thinks the way the do?

Um, being anti-authoritarian is pretty much what the left is all about.

Yeah except when it comes to authority regarding an individuals private property, their commercial decisions, what they can say in public and who they can do business with.

The left loves centralized power and it's exercise of control over the individual in pretty much all areas except sex and drugs.

 

[Faun]

A fetus doesn’t have individual rights.

Please show us where that is written...

The right to life is the most basic, fundamental right. Would you like to try again?

Now you’re asking me to prove a negative. The court has defined the point of independent viability as the point where such rights begin.

 

[Crepitus]

As far as authoritarian let's look at an example. Democrats want to make it legal for gay people.to get married. Republicans want to make it illegal. Which one enhances freedom and quality of life?

Yes. Let’s look at gay marriage. You left-wing parasites want to force government to climb in bed with people. We conservatives are trying to keep government out of the bedrooms of America and limited to their constitutional responsibilities.

So which one is authoritarian? Don’t answer asshat. It’s rhetorical. The world already knows you cannot have right-wing authoritarianism. It is exclusively a left-wing trait.

No dumbass, we want them to stay out of the bedroom, unlike you weirdos who want to legislate it. Equal treatment for all.

 

[Faun]

You’re the one who wants to use the government to deny gays legal marriage.

Yeah...government doesn’t belong in their bed. If they can find a church to marry them - go for it! Nobody is stopping them.

You moron, government can’t deny them rights they offer to others.

 

[Crepitus]

As far as authoritarian let's look at an example. Democrats want to make it legal for gay people.to get married. Republicans want to make it illegal. Which one enhances freedom and quality of life?

Yes. Let’s look at gay marriage. You left-wing parasites want to force government to climb in bed with people. We conservatives are trying to keep government out of the bedrooms of America and limited to their constitutional responsibilities.

So which one is authoritarian? Don’t answer asshat. It’s rhetorical. The world already knows you cannot have right-wing authoritarianism. It is exclusively a left-wing trait.

LOLOL

You’re the one who wants to use the government to deny gays legal marriage.

Can he really be that stupid?

 

[Crepitus]

Keeping it short since that seems to get more of a response.

Mostly a question to those who self identify as being more left wing.
And hopefully is treated with honest responses and not just emotional venting.


Also is there a forum "topic" for just asking questions and getting honest responses from both sides of the spectrum? you know, learn why a side thinks the way the do?

Um, being anti-authoritarian is pretty much what the left is all about.

Yeah except when it comes to authority regarding an individuals private property, their commercial decisions, what they can say in public and who they can do business with.

The left loves centralized power and it's exercise of control over the individual in pretty much all areas except sex and drugs.

You are referring to anti-discrimination laws, which are about equal treatment for all.

Even bigots.

 

[P@triot]

No dumbass, we want them to stay out of the bedroom,

Dumbocrats like Crepitus here: “We demand government get involved and marry us!!!”

Dumbocrats like Crepitus here: “What? We want government to stay out of our bedroom”.

Yes folks...he really is that stupid.

 

[P@triot]

You’re the one who wants to use the government to deny gays legal marriage.

Yeah...government doesn’t belong in their bed. If they can find a church to marry them - go for it! Nobody is stopping them.

You moron, government can’t deny them rights they offer to others.

You mean like the right to life (which is “offered” to all Americans)? Boom!!!

 

[P@triot]

A fetus doesn’t have individual rights.

Please show us where that is written...

The right to life is the most basic, fundamental right. Would you like to try again?

Now you’re asking me to prove a negative.

No I’m not. All laws are written and available to the American public. If a fetus “doesn’t have individual rights” then that will be on the books. So please show us.