Can someone show me ONE liberal ideal that has actually worked?

[Brubricker]

#4 Civil Rights- pushed through by Republicans, THROUGH Democrat resistance- read up on the history of that one

Pushed through by LIBERAL Republicans despite the resistance of CONSERVATIVE Southern Democrat racists. This is not a thread about party affiliation. It's a thread about liberal ideals, remember?

 

[del]

Some union contributions:

40 hour work week
Overtime pay
Minimum wage
Paid Vacation
Safety
Child Labor laws

All things conservatives fought every step of the way.

henry ford, a flaming liberal indeed, pioneered the 40 hour work week.

everything else you claim was enacted by the federal government. feel free to attribute it to unions if it makes you feel better.


good effort, though.

You need to read your history of the labor movement. Unions spent most of the 19th century fighting for the 40 hour work week and they started winning it in some industries 1890s. Henry Ford came late to the party. If he did anything for the blue collar man it was that he offered higher pay than his competition but the 40 hour week was not his doing. It was won by unions before Ford was ever founded. Ford just accepted it.

no, it wasn't. it was pretty much exclusive to the printing trade; it was ford who caused its widespread adoption.

 

[Modbert]

I'm not sure T can read.

Quite difficult I suppose when you see it three times on the same screen blurry.

 

[bucs90]

One Liberal Ideal that has worked?

The United States of America.

*NOT* in the present Tense of Liberalism as espoused by Jefferson. Modern-Day Conservatives are more aligned with Jefferson than you care to admit...

Modern day Liberalism is more Progressive/Marxist/Socialist.

You do realize that Marxist, Progressive (American Progressivism) and Socialism are different thing, right?

Just like hammerhead, great white and bull are all different types of sharks, but still sharks. Marxism, Progressivism, Socialism, Communism, Eugenics, all the same species but different breeds.

 

[RadiomanATL]

PROVE your assertion. You cannot.

Those who opposed such changes were conservative by definition.


Are you simple?

All those things basically amounted to what? Getting paid for not being at work. Being guaranteed the right not to "Work too hard" or work more than 40 hours a week in an attempt to out-work the opposition. See how the most competitive fields don't abide by 40 hours work weeks? Because they try to outwork each other, and as a result, all parties end up with a better product.

All those things go along with an overwhelming liberal philosophy: Get paid for work you aren't doing, being entitled to something unearned, not being subject to orders that you need to work harder, and of course, the union makes it nearly impossible to fire someone who sits around and does mediocre work during those 40 hours.

The result? Mediocrity, no worker motivation, aka, THE ENTIRE INEFFICIENT AND LAZY GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE WE SEE NOW.

What are YOU doing here?

Back to work citizen. I need more $100 to wipe my ass with.

 

[Polk]

I know, I know!!!! NAFTA! Oh..oops jobs taken away from Americans...My bad.

Negotiated by George H.W. Bush, and is the expansion of the US-Canada FTA negotiated and signed by Reagan.

NAFTA was signed by Reagan? Really?


NAFTA signed into law by President Bill Clinton. [12/08/93]

I never said NAFTA was signed by Reagan. I said it was an expansion of the US-Canada free trade agreement, which was signed in 1988.

 

[Polk]

*NOT* in the present Tense of Liberalism as espoused by Jefferson. Modern-Day Conservatives are more aligned with Jefferson than you care to admit...

Modern day Liberalism is more Progressive/Marxist/Socialist.

You do realize that Marxist, Progressive (American Progressivism) and Socialism are different thing, right?

Just like hammerhead, great white and bull are all different types of sharks, but still sharks. Marxism, Progressivism, Socialism, Communism, Eugenics, all the same species but different breeds.

Eugenics is a conservative ideal...

 

[bucs90]

Those who opposed such changes were conservative by definition.


Are you simple?

All those things basically amounted to what? Getting paid for not being at work. Being guaranteed the right not to "Work too hard" or work more than 40 hours a week in an attempt to out-work the opposition. See how the most competitive fields don't abide by 40 hours work weeks? Because they try to outwork each other, and as a result, all parties end up with a better product.

All those things go along with an overwhelming liberal philosophy: Get paid for work you aren't doing, being entitled to something unearned, not being subject to orders that you need to work harder, and of course, the union makes it nearly impossible to fire someone who sits around and does mediocre work during those 40 hours.

The result? Mediocrity, no worker motivation, aka, THE ENTIRE INEFFICIENT AND LAZY GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE WE SEE NOW.

What are YOU doing here?

Back to work citizen. I need more $100 to wipe my ass with.

Ah, I see what you did there. Implying without unions a greedy boss could treat me like that? Then I'd quit and work elsewhere. I stayed in school and got an education, work hard, etc. Unlike most Obama leeches, I could quit and find other work. I don't need a union to keep a damn job.

 

[Modbert]

I stayed in school and got an education.

Shit, could of fooled me.

 

[bucs90]

You do realize that Marxist, Progressive (American Progressivism) and Socialism are different thing, right?

Just like hammerhead, great white and bull are all different types of sharks, but still sharks. Marxism, Progressivism, Socialism, Communism, Eugenics, all the same species but different breeds.

Eugenics is a conservative ideal...

Oh, no no no my friend. As a sociology grad, who has studied eugenics in-depth, I must argue. See leftist icon George Bernard Shaw. You know.....the same Shaw that is worshipped in liberal professor's offices daily on college campus. He advocated a "humane gas" to kill off "undesireables" and wanted to play classical music to calm them while they "exited". Marx was also a strong advocate of eugenics (dirty little secret they don't like to teach in college or MSNBC). As was Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Che (Yep, same Che that smart ass liberals wear t-shirts of at their coffee shops).

 

[The T]

You do realize that Marxist, Progressive (American Progressivism) and Socialism are different thing, right?

Just like hammerhead, great white and bull are all different types of sharks, but still sharks. Marxism, Progressivism, Socialism, Communism, Eugenics, all the same species but different breeds.

Eugenics is a conservative ideal...

It is? Prove this assertion. You would then be calling Conservative "NAZI's...You have alot of explaining to do young pup.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

I'm not sure T can read.

Quite difficult I suppose when you see it three times on the same screen blurry.

What is that even supposed to mean?

 

[☭proletarian☭]

*NOT* in the present Tense of Liberalism as espoused by Jefferson. Modern-Day Conservatives are more aligned with Jefferson than you care to admit...

Modern day Liberalism is more Progressive/Marxist/Socialist.

You do realize that Marxist, Progressive (American Progressivism) and Socialism are different thing, right?

Just like hammerhead, great white and bull are all different types of sharks, but still sharks. Marxism, Progressivism, Socialism, Communism, Eugenics, all the same species but different breeds.

The sad thing is that you're too simple to realize how stupid that post you just made was.

 

[Brubricker]

henry ford, a flaming liberal indeed, pioneered the 40 hour work week.

everything else you claim was enacted by the federal government. feel free to attribute it to unions if it makes you feel better.


good effort, though.

You need to read your history of the labor movement. Unions spent most of the 19th century fighting for the 40 hour work week and they started winning it in some industries 1890s. Henry Ford came late to the party. If he did anything for the blue collar man it was that he offered higher pay than his competition but the 40 hour week was not his doing. It was won by unions before Ford was ever founded. Ford just accepted it.

no, it wasn't. it was pretty much exclusive to the printing trade; it was ford who caused its widespread adoption.

Everything I said is true. The labor movement fought for it for decades before anybody implemented it anywhere. It was a liberal ideal that was actively pursued throughout most of the 19th century. It was finally put into practice for the one and only reason that unions had consolidated their power to the point that their demands could no longer be refused. In addition to the printing trade, mining was another area where it became common at an early date. Those industries caved in to union pressure before the car business had even gotten off the ground. As I said, Ford just accepted it all. He recognized the power the unions had at that time and he made a business decision to go along with it. That doesn't change the fact that the 40 hour work week originated as a purely liberal ideal way back in the mid-19th century.

 

[bucs90]

I stayed in school and got an education.

Shit, could of fooled me.

I bet it did. Most people who finish college come out as snot nosed whiny liberals demanding that their bills and well being be paid for by others. I'm an exception I suppose.

 

[bucs90]

You do realize that Marxist, Progressive (American Progressivism) and Socialism are different thing, right?

Just like hammerhead, great white and bull are all different types of sharks, but still sharks. Marxism, Progressivism, Socialism, Communism, Eugenics, all the same species but different breeds.

The sad thing is that you're too simple to realize how stupid that post you just made was.

And you're too shallow to provide a counter-argument but instead defer to a simple insult and taking your self-made high ground. I win.

 

[Modbert]

I bet it did. Most people who finish college come out as snot nosed whiny liberals demanding that their bills and well being be paid for by others. I'm an exception I suppose.

Really now? Got a link to that.

I'm surprised you even made it out of high school if you want my honest opinion.

 

[RadiomanATL]

All those things basically amounted to what? Getting paid for not being at work. Being guaranteed the right not to "Work too hard" or work more than 40 hours a week in an attempt to out-work the opposition. See how the most competitive fields don't abide by 40 hours work weeks? Because they try to outwork each other, and as a result, all parties end up with a better product.

All those things go along with an overwhelming liberal philosophy: Get paid for work you aren't doing, being entitled to something unearned, not being subject to orders that you need to work harder, and of course, the union makes it nearly impossible to fire someone who sits around and does mediocre work during those 40 hours.

The result? Mediocrity, no worker motivation, aka, THE ENTIRE INEFFICIENT AND LAZY GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE WE SEE NOW.

What are YOU doing here?

Back to work citizen. I need more $100 to wipe my ass with.

Ah, I see what you did there. Implying without unions a greedy boss could treat me like that? Then I'd quit and work elsewhere. I stayed in school and got an education, work hard, etc. Unlike most Obama leeches, I could quit and find other work. I don't need a union to keep a damn job.

I said back to work, citizen.

 

[bucs90]

I bet it did. Most people who finish college come out as snot nosed whiny liberals demanding that their bills and well being be paid for by others. I'm an exception I suppose.

Really now? Got a link to that.

I'm surprised you even made it out of high school if you want my honest opinion.

HAHA!! A link? Sure: Breaking News, Weather, Business, Health, Entertainment, Sports, Politics, Travel, Science, Technology, Local, US & World News- msnbc.com

 

[bucs90]

What are YOU doing here?

Back to work citizen. I need more $100 to wipe my ass with.

Ah, I see what you did there. Implying without unions a greedy boss could treat me like that? Then I'd quit and work elsewhere. I stayed in school and got an education, work hard, etc. Unlike most Obama leeches, I could quit and find other work. I don't need a union to keep a damn job.

I said back to work, citizen.

No thanks, I quit, found a better job.