And in every account the successor states where France, Britain and Russia for the most part. With Saudi, Egypt and Lebanon bringing up the rear.
It is you clutching at straws because the evidence is destroying you POV and undermining your stance
Can Palestinian's and Israeli's ever be friends?
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And in every account the successor states where France, Britain and Russia for the most part. With Saudi, Egypt and Lebanon bringing up the rear.
It is you clutching at straws because the evidence is destroying you POV and undermining your stance
Where does it say that it was "basically a civilian mandate" then. Time to produce the evidence from the LoN mandate or UN to show this. The mandate explicitly states that Britain would be a MILITARY PRESENSE in Palestine and not a civilian one. As this from the mandate shows
ARTICLE 1.
The Mandatory shall have full powers of legislation and of administration, save as they may be limited by the terms of this mandate.
ART. 2.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.
ART. 15.
The Mandatory shall see that complete freedom of conscience and the free exercise of all forms of worship, subject only to the maintenance of public order and morals, are ensured to all. No discrimination of any kind shall be made between the inhabitants of Palestine on the ground of race, religion or language. No person shall be excluded from Palestine on the sole ground of his religious belief.
The right of each community to maintain its own schools for the education of its own members in its own language, while conforming to such educational requirements of a general nature as the Administration may impose, shall not be denied or impaired.
ART. 17.
The Administration of Palestine may organist on a voluntary basis the forces necessary for the preservation of peace and order, and also for the defence of the country, subject, however, to the supervision of the Mandatory, but shall not use them for purposes other than those above specified save with the consent of the Mandatory. Except for such purposes, no military, naval or air forces shall be raised or maintained by the Administration of Palestine.
Nothing in this article shall preclude the Administration of Palestine from contributing to the cost of the maintenance of the forces of the Mandatory in Palestine.
The Mandatory shall be entitled at all times to use the roads, railways and ports of Palestine for the movement of armed forces and the carriage of fuel and supplies
How about a official declaration then from the LoN saying that Palestine was an A mandate.
It was not the mandatories job to set up a government but the inhabitants, and it was the Jewish inhabitants that took the first step in may 1948.
Why do you try and alter what the mandate says when it is in the Jews favour
Definitely it is your job not to accept the facts.
Israel is created at the expense of others and they used others shoulders too.
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What was to be defined as Palestine, was not self-governing --- able to stand alone. It was not necessarily an Article 22 "Certain Communities."
To some extent, this was true. The Arabs did participate in some government functions. But the management of government and the infrastructure development were not driven or maintained by the Arabs. It was the Ottoman Empire that formed the backbone of the government --- developed and maintained the the essential government policies and procedures, and extended the rule of law scheme that connected national laws with local authority requirements. Jerusalem, somewhat special, received its financial and administrative support and guidance from the capital in Constantinople.
We normally say that the territory of Palestine, to which the mandate applied, was govern under the Administrative Division of the Ottoman Vilayet of Syria from Damascus. That is because the what we call Trans-Jordan comprised three-quarters of the Mandate territory. Saying the Vilayet of Syria was close enough given the order in which the surrender of Ottoman garrisons (Hejaz, Assir, Yemen, Syria, and Mesopotamia) occurred in October 1918 (Mudros Armistice); indeed the Treaty of Lausanne referred to it all as Syria. But to be more accurate, in 1918, the territories of Israel, the West Bank and Gaza Strip (everything from the Jordan River, west to the Mediterranean Sea) was actually govern either under the Vilayet of Beirut (including the Sanjuk of Acre and Sanjuk Balqa) --- or --- by the Independent Sanjuk of Jerusalem (which would have encompassed the West Bank and Gaza Strip).
While Arabs worked inside the government as civil servants, the principle executive decisions were beyond local government and the hand of local Arabs.
And even today, the pro-Palestinians and the Islamic Resistance still blame the Mandatory (UK) for the lack in establishing self-government. But that is just the childish notion that "everything wrong is someone else's fault (the perpetual victim). However, the Arab Palestinians and the Arab League were just as much at fault for any failures (if not more) than were any missteps by the Mandatory were to account.
The Political History of Palestine under British Administration
A/AC.14/8 2 October 1947
Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis.
“The British Government desired to establish a self-government in Palestine, but to proceed in this direction by stages…. It had been announced that the nominated Advisory Council was to be the first stage. The second stage would have been a Legislative Council without an Arab majority. If this worked satisfactorily, the third stage, after a lapse of perhaps same years, would have been a constitution on more democratic lines.”
In practice it proved impossible even to initiate this policy of gradual constitutional development. From 1922 until the present day, the High Commissioner has governed Palestine with the aid of Councils consisting exclusively of British officials.
Even in the very early years of the Mandate Period, there were emerging powerful Arab interests, internal and external to Palestine, defying any attempt for the Mandate to be successful in accomplishing the San Remo intent or honor the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement pertaining to "the consummation of their national aspirations."
Most Respectfully,
R
What was to be defined as Palestine, was not self-governing --- able to stand alone. It was not necessarily an Article 22 "Certain Communities."
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To some extent, this was true. The Arabs did participate in some government functions. But the management of government and the infrastructure development were not driven or maintained by the Arabs. It was the Ottoman Empire that formed the backbone of the government --- developed and maintained the the essential government policies and procedures, and extended the rule of law scheme that connected national laws with local authority requirements. Jerusalem, somewhat special, received its financial and administrative support and guidance from the capital in Constantinople.
We normally say that the territory of Palestine, to which the mandate applied, was govern under the Administrative Division of the Ottoman Vilayet of Syria from Damascus. That is because the what we call Trans-Jordan comprised three-quarters of the Mandate territory. Saying the Vilayet of Syria was close enough given the order in which the surrender of Ottoman garrisons (Hejaz, Assir, Yemen, Syria, and Mesopotamia) occurred in October 1918 (Mudros Armistice); indeed the Treaty of Lausanne referred to it all as Syria. But to be more accurate, in 1918, the territories of Israel, the West Bank and Gaza Strip (everything from the Jordan River, west to the Mediterranean Sea) was actually govern either under the Vilayet of Beirut (including the Sanjuk of Acre and Sanjuk Balqa) --- or --- by the Independent Sanjuk of Jerusalem (which would have encompassed the West Bank and Gaza Strip).
While Arabs worked inside the government as civil servants, the principle executive decisions were beyond local government and the hand of local Arabs.
(COMMENT)
And even today, the pro-Palestinians and the Islamic Resistance still blame the Mandatory (UK) for the lack in establishing self-government. But that is just the childish notion that "everything wrong is someone else's fault (the perpetual victim). However, the Arab Palestinians and the Arab League were just as much at fault for any failures (if not more) than were any missteps by the Mandatory were to account.
The Political History of Palestine under British Administration
A/AC.14/8 2 October 1947
Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis.
“The British Government desired to establish a self-government in Palestine, but to proceed in this direction by stages…. It had been announced that the nominated Advisory Council was to be the first stage. The second stage would have been a Legislative Council without an Arab majority. If this worked satisfactorily, the third stage, after a lapse of perhaps same years, would have been a constitution on more democratic lines.”
Even in the very early years of the Mandate Period, there were emerging powerful Arab interests, internal and external to Palestine, defying any attempt for the Mandate to be successful in accomplishing the San Remo intent or honor the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement pertaining to "the consummation of their national aspirations."
Most Respectfully,
R
What facts as Palestine did not become a nation until 1988 and then in name only. Now that is a fact
The Jewish national home became a nation in 1948 based on international law of 1923. that is another fact
The arab muslims were given the chance of colonising Palestine in the early 1800's not once but 3 times. And each time they left and went back to their own countries. yet another fact
The European Jews were offered the same deal in around 1850 and took it making the desert bloom And yet another fact.
See I accept facts that are provable beyond reasonable doubt, I don't accept islamonazi lies that have no covenance
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Israel was created at the expense of many.... And continues, at the expense of many....
But that is a very different issue to whether Jews should have a 'homeland' or not....
Hence, I do not support Israel or the Israeli government!
Who's expense as no one paid any price to Israel for the declaration of independence. The arab muslims paid a heavy price to the arab league that illegally invaded and tried to wipe out the Jews and destroy Israel
Only if you subscribe to islamonazi propaganda and lies. The expense was created by the arab league when they illegally invaded Palestine with the intentions of wiping out the Jews and destroying Israel.
If you do not support Israel or its government then you cant support the Jews having a homeland as that mean an Israeli bation with an Israeli government.
It was only a matter of time before you made the disclosure once and for all that you are just an islamonazi Jew hater
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Yes, well your brainwashed zionut mentality is clear for all to see Phoney...
You simply cannot differentiate between, people and politics can you!
What a moronic schmuck!
Billo_Really
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He's just a 15 year old kid.
Like that bumper sticker...
"I wish I had all of life's problems when I
was a teenager and knew everything!"
was a teenager and knew everything!"
It is yiou that cant differentiate as Israel is the people not the government, unless you want to run with your claim that the government are the people and so all Israelis are responsible for the deaths in gaza and so they are all war criminals.
Puts me 5 years ahead of you then doesn't it........................................................
Billo_Really
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Oh, I answered. You just didn't like it.
Non-Jewish Israeli's are treated like 2nd class citizens.
I was referring to the indigenous people living in the West Bank.
Except for the fact that they stopped their violence long enough to create a unity government, but Israel attacked Gaza in order to break up that government. Israel doesn't want Fatah and Hamas to settle their differences and become a political movement.
I didn't say "rights and control", I said you are "responsible".
Do you call yourself a democracy? Do you vote for your elected leaders? Do those leaders do things in your name? Then you are responsible.
Stop electing fascists and megalomaniacs like Netanfuckyou.
No. Not at all. And since I could care less, why would it hurt my ego?
BTW, in regards to the profanity, that's just the way I talk.
Humanity
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No Phoney...
Israel is a country!
Jeez and they still pay you for posts like that?
They will be after their money back!
Such an idiot Phoney!
Billo_Really
Litre of the Band
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Okay, so you're also bad at math.
No you did not answer it, you just wrote garbage
Would that be the indigenous Jews as well that were forcibly evicted and all their property stolen by the Palestinians in 1949 ?
When was this as since 2007 there has been no unity government as one side or the other finds a way to stop the talks.
So all palestinians are responsible for the terrorist attacks on Israel, meaning that they are all valid military targets. So we wont hear your whinging about farmers and fishermen getting fired on anymore will we. Guess you just shot yourself in the foot again ! ! ! !
Like the trailer park trash you are
Not as much an idiot as you who has just admitted that you are a Jew hater.
Yes Israel is a country and you admit to hating it as a country, which means that you also hate all the people who live there.
Now I don't hate any muslim country, just the extremists that live there and cause untold suffering for every one else. So what does this make me ?
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