Can Palestinian's and Israeli's ever be friends?

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, this is often claimed by pro-Palestinians.

• One people (APG) cannot claim independence (September 1948) over an area claimed previously declared independent (May 1948) by another people (National Council for the State of Israel).​

​

Oh really. What was Israel's defined territory and how was it acquired? It has to be more than just say so.

(COMMENT)

Originally, at the time of the midnight 14/15 May 1948 cablegram declaring independence, the Declaration was made pursuant to the recommendations adopted and outlined in A/RES/181(II) - Future Government of Palestine.

Chapter 2: The Partition Plan and the end of the British mandate
At the first special session of the General Assembly, which began on 28 April 1947, five Arab countries — Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Syria — tried unsuccessfully to include in the agenda an item that would address “the termination of the Mandate over Palestine and the declaration of its independence”. The Jewish case was presented by the Jewish Agency for Palestine, while the Arab Higher Committee spoke for the Palestinian Arabs. ----- The adoption of resolution 181 (II) was followed by outbreaks of violence in Palestine. As the situation deteriorated, the Security Council called for a special session of the General Assembly, which then met from 16 April to 14 May 1948. ----- On 14 May 1948, Britain relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. On the same day, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan. Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day, regular troops of the neighboring Arab States entered the territory to force by armed interference a different political outcome. On 15 July 1948, the Security Council decided in a resolution that the situation in Palestine constituted a threat to the peace. It ordered a ceasefire and declared that failure to comply would be construed as a breach of the peace requiring immediate consideration of enforcement measures under Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter. In accordance with the resolution, a second truce came into force. By that time, Israel controlled much of the territory allotted to the Arab State by the partition resolution, including the western part of Jerusalem. Egypt and Jordan respectively controlled the remaining portions of the Gaza district and the West Bank of the Jordan River. More fighting took place in October 1948 and March 1949, during which Israel took over other areas, some of which had been allotted to the Arab State.​

Israel was a product of self-determination, Recommendations of the General Assembly, and the force armed conflict initiated by the local Arabs and the armies of the Arab League.

The territory was acquired through "Cession:" as explained in Post #132.

Most Respectfully,
R

You need to get off of your resolution 181 shtick.

Israel was violating resolution 181 since before its declaration and continued to violate it since.

Israel never had any intention of abiding by resolution 181. It just lied about it to gain political recognition.

 

[theliq]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh you have it so misinterpreted.

That is not true. The declaration of the All Palestine Government (APG) in 1948, was as bogus as it gets.

Could it be more bogus than the the government of Israel declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization.

Israel is a foreign government established in Palestine against the wishes of the vast majority of the people.

(COMMENT)

The Jewish Agency was a brain-child of the Allied Powers at the San Remo Conference of 24 April 1920 under the League of Nations and imbedded requirement of Article 4, Mandate for Palestine, originally called the Palestine Office (Zionist Organization) in 1908. The Palestine Office was renamed and organized in 1929 to meet the Mandate requirement for an appropriate agency as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home; and a non-governmental organization (NGO) subject to the control of the Administration of Palestine by the Mandatory. This agency need sanctioned as an "appropriate agency" by the Zionist Organization. This appropriateness was also a requirement set forth in the San Remo Agreement nine years before it was created.

The association between the Jewish Agency and the World Zionist Organization (WZO) was purely mandate requirement set forth by the Allied Powers. Not an invention of the WZO. The implication that it was a Jewish Inspired foreign activity is misinformation (not telling the whole story) by a anti-Zionist propaganda machine.

It should also be noted that by 1923, three separate attempts by the Mandatory were made was to establish an "Arab Agency" in Palestine, analogous to the Jewish Agency. However, the Arab Palestinians were not interested at that time in the Mandatory's effort to advance the establishment self-government in Palestine.

The establishment of Israel was pursuant to the guidance adopted by the UN. It was not a foreign government. It was a move by the Jewish Constituents which were all citizens of the territory under the UN guidance. This was not a foreign government. Again, that is misinformation by a propaganda machine "designed or likely to provoke or encourage and threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression." (Resolution adopted by the General Assembly 110 (II) (1947)--- Measures to be taken against propaganda and the inciters of a new war.)

Most Respectfully,
R

Now you are talking Crap Rocco......just STOP LYING steve

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Baggage or no baggage, the rule of law and the precedent for the ruling does not change.

Kosovo and Palestine were two completely different scenarios. Kosovo declared independence under considerable legal and political baggage. Palestine, however, had no legal baggage when it declared independence in 1948.

(COMMENT)

That is not true. The declaration of the All Palestine Government (APG) in 1948, was as bogus as it gets.

• One people (APG) cannot claim independence (September 1948) over an area claimed previously declared independent (May 1948) by another people (National Council for the State of Israel).
• The APG cannot declare independence over territory it did not control. The Israeli Defense Force controlled a substantial portion of the territory identified as the recommended allocation for the Jewish State.
• The APG was political curiosity established by the Arab League (not a Palestinian Provisional Government and controlled by the Egyptian Military governorship) on 22 September 1948 during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. The APG was dissoleved in 1959 by the Egyptian Government (not a Palestinian Provisional Government).
​

Neither the LoN nor the Mandate claimed possession of Palestine. They merely held Palestine in trust until the people could stand alone. The mandate could not and did not change Palestine's legal status.

(COMMENT)

Well, you almost have it right. First it was not held in trust for the Palestinian People. The League of Nations Covenant said: "Certain communities" formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognised subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone." The term "Certain Communities" is not necessarily inclusive of the Palestinian People.

Nowhere in the League of Nation Covenant is the phrase "held in trust" used or implied. The Covenant says: "To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant.

Part II - Mandate Regime --- Series of League of Nations Publications VI.A. MANDATES 1945. VI.A. 1

The Palestine Mandate is of a very special character. While it follows the main lines laid down by the Covenant for "A" Mandates, it also contains a number of provisions designed to apply the policy defined by the "Balfour Declaration" of November 2nd, 1917. By this declaration, the British Government had announced its intention to encourage the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country. The Mandate reproduces the Balfour Declaration almost in full in its preamble and states that "recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country".

Accordingly, under the terms of the Mandate, the Mandatory is to be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion. The Mandate also provides for the recognition as a public body of a Jewish agency which is to advise and co-operate with the administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration, to assist and take part in the development of the country. At first and in accordance with the terms of the Mandate, this role was entrusted to the Zionist Organisation; later, however, from 1929 onwards, that organisation was replaced by the "Jewish Agency for Palestine", which includes representatives not only of the Zionist Organisation but also of other Jewish bodies in various countries. In consultation with the Mandatory, this agency takes steps to secure the co-operation of all Jews willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home. While ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, the Administration, for its part, must facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and, in co-operation with the Jewish agency, encourage close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes. A nationality law is to be enacted containing provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.​

The League of Nation Covenant does not address the Mandates specifically, nor any specific territory assigned to Palestine.

Britain failed to accomplish any of its goals and otherwise fucked up so bad that they transferred its trusteeship to UNSCOP and left. UNSCOP failed to assume its responsibilities.

(COMMENT)

The "Successor Government" immediately after the British Mandate was the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC). Many times you have made the accusation that the UNPCdid not accomplish its tasks; never taking into account that the Arab League Armies opened their offensive on the same day (15 May 1948) that the UNPC was to assume governmental responsibilities. One of the purpose to the Hostile Offensive by the Arab League was to defying the resolution of the General Assembly and engaged in a deliberate effort to politically alter by force the Partition Program through external interference. The UN Relieved the Palestine Commission from the further exercise of responsibilities under resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947 and HAVING ADOPTED a resolution providing for the appointment of a United Nations Mediator in Palestine, which relieves the United Nations Palestine Commission from the further exercise of its responsibilities,

The people, the land, and the international borders remained unchanged. Palestine remained a non self governing territory. As the native population the Palestinians have the right to self determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity as subsequent UN resolutions have confirmed.

This is the backdrop for Palestine's 1948 declaration of independence that was in complete compliance with international law.

(COMMENT)

The general inference you mention is a split citation from the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples Adopted by General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960; and Chapter XI (UN Charter) Declarations Regarding non-Self-governeing Territories. It changes nothing in that the non-self-governing territory after the conclusion of the Mandate (May 1948), was declared independent by the National Council and Provisional Government of Israel. This was well before the APG declaration of September 1948. The territory controlled by Israel was no longer non-self-governing.

Most Respectfully,
R

That is not true. The declaration of the All Palestine Government (APG) in 1948, was as bogus as it gets.​

Could it be more bogus than the the government of Israel declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization.

Israel is a foreign government established in Palestine against the wishes of the vast majority of the people.

Read the mandate and see that the LoN accepted the Zionist were accepted as representing the interests of the Jews. The APG constantly refused to be part of the action and so were not seen as the representatives of the arab muslims..

Israel; was formed under the rules of the Mandate by Jews who were citizens of Palestine, you have failed to show even once that Israel is invalid and that a nation of Palestine existed prior to 1988

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Baggage or no baggage, the rule of law and the precedent for the ruling does not change.

Kosovo and Palestine were two completely different scenarios. Kosovo declared independence under considerable legal and political baggage. Palestine, however, had no legal baggage when it declared independence in 1948.

(COMMENT)

That is not true. The declaration of the All Palestine Government (APG) in 1948, was as bogus as it gets.

• One people (APG) cannot claim independence (September 1948) over an area claimed previously declared independent (May 1948) by another people (National Council for the State of Israel).
• The APG cannot declare independence over territory it did not control. The Israeli Defense Force controlled a substantial portion of the territory identified as the recommended allocation for the Jewish State.
• The APG was political curiosity established by the Arab League (not a Palestinian Provisional Government and controlled by the Egyptian Military governorship) on 22 September 1948 during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. The APG was dissoleved in 1959 by the Egyptian Government (not a Palestinian Provisional Government).
​

Neither the LoN nor the Mandate claimed possession of Palestine. They merely held Palestine in trust until the people could stand alone. The mandate could not and did not change Palestine's legal status.

(COMMENT)

Well, you almost have it right. First it was not held in trust for the Palestinian People. The League of Nations Covenant said: "Certain communities" formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognised subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone." The term "Certain Communities" is not necessarily inclusive of the Palestinian People.

Nowhere in the League of Nation Covenant is the phrase "held in trust" used or implied. The Covenant says: "To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant.

Part II - Mandate Regime --- Series of League of Nations Publications VI.A. MANDATES 1945. VI.A. 1

The Palestine Mandate is of a very special character. While it follows the main lines laid down by the Covenant for "A" Mandates, it also contains a number of provisions designed to apply the policy defined by the "Balfour Declaration" of November 2nd, 1917. By this declaration, the British Government had announced its intention to encourage the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country. The Mandate reproduces the Balfour Declaration almost in full in its preamble and states that "recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country".

Accordingly, under the terms of the Mandate, the Mandatory is to be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion. The Mandate also provides for the recognition as a public body of a Jewish agency which is to advise and co-operate with the administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration, to assist and take part in the development of the country. At first and in accordance with the terms of the Mandate, this role was entrusted to the Zionist Organisation; later, however, from 1929 onwards, that organisation was replaced by the "Jewish Agency for Palestine", which includes representatives not only of the Zionist Organisation but also of other Jewish bodies in various countries. In consultation with the Mandatory, this agency takes steps to secure the co-operation of all Jews willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home. While ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, the Administration, for its part, must facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and, in co-operation with the Jewish agency, encourage close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes. A nationality law is to be enacted containing provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.​

The League of Nation Covenant does not address the Mandates specifically, nor any specific territory assigned to Palestine.

Britain failed to accomplish any of its goals and otherwise fucked up so bad that they transferred its trusteeship to UNSCOP and left. UNSCOP failed to assume its responsibilities.

(COMMENT)

The "Successor Government" immediately after the British Mandate was the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC). Many times you have made the accusation that the UNPCdid not accomplish its tasks; never taking into account that the Arab League Armies opened their offensive on the same day (15 May 1948) that the UNPC was to assume governmental responsibilities. One of the purpose to the Hostile Offensive by the Arab League was to defying the resolution of the General Assembly and engaged in a deliberate effort to politically alter by force the Partition Program through external interference. The UN Relieved the Palestine Commission from the further exercise of responsibilities under resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947 and HAVING ADOPTED a resolution providing for the appointment of a United Nations Mediator in Palestine, which relieves the United Nations Palestine Commission from the further exercise of its responsibilities,

The people, the land, and the international borders remained unchanged. Palestine remained a non self governing territory. As the native population the Palestinians have the right to self determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity as subsequent UN resolutions have confirmed.

This is the backdrop for Palestine's 1948 declaration of independence that was in complete compliance with international law.

(COMMENT)

The general inference you mention is a split citation from the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples Adopted by General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960; and Chapter XI (UN Charter) Declarations Regarding non-Self-governeing Territories. It changes nothing in that the non-self-governing territory after the conclusion of the Mandate (May 1948), was declared independent by the National Council and Provisional Government of Israel. This was well before the APG declaration of September 1948. The territory controlled by Israel was no longer non-self-governing.

Most Respectfully,
R

• One people (APG) cannot claim independence (September 1948) over an area claimed previously declared independent (May 1948) by another people (National Council for the State of Israel).​

Oh really. What was Israel's defined territory and how was it acquired? It has to be more than just say so.

There was no defined territory as there were no treaties in place defining the territory. It was acquired by a declaration of independence in line with the terms of the Mandate of Palestine.

How was the APG claim arrived at and how could they declare on land that was not available to them ?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh you have it so misinterpreted.

That is not true. The declaration of the All Palestine Government (APG) in 1948, was as bogus as it gets.

Could it be more bogus than the the government of Israel declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization.

Israel is a foreign government established in Palestine against the wishes of the vast majority of the people.

(COMMENT)

The Jewish Agency was a brain-child of the Allied Powers at the San Remo Conference of 24 April 1920 under the League of Nations and imbedded requirement of Article 4, Mandate for Palestine, originally called the Palestine Office (Zionist Organization) in 1908. The Palestine Office was renamed and organized in 1929 to meet the Mandate requirement for an appropriate agency as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home; and a non-governmental organization (NGO) subject to the control of the Administration of Palestine by the Mandatory. This agency need sanctioned as an "appropriate agency" by the Zionist Organization. This appropriateness was also a requirement set forth in the San Remo Agreement nine years before it was created.

The association between the Jewish Agency and the World Zionist Organization (WZO) was purely mandate requirement set forth by the Allied Powers. Not an invention of the WZO. The implication that it was a Jewish Inspired foreign activity is misinformation (not telling the whole story) by a anti-Zionist propaganda machine.

It should also be noted that by 1923, three separate attempts by the Mandatory were made was to establish an "Arab Agency" in Palestine, analogous to the Jewish Agency. However, the Arab Palestinians were not interested at that time in the Mandatory's effort to advance the establishment self-government in Palestine.

The establishment of Israel was pursuant to the guidance adopted by the UN. It was not a foreign government. It was a move by the Jewish Constituents which were all citizens of the territory under the UN guidance. This was not a foreign government. Again, that is misinformation by a propaganda machine "designed or likely to provoke or encourage and threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression." (Resolution adopted by the General Assembly 110 (II) (1947)--- Measures to be taken against propaganda and the inciters of a new war.)

Most Respectfully,
R

The creation of a Jewish state was a foreign project from day one.

All of that other crapola is irrelevant. It is all just part of the scam.

Then you would be able to find legal documents saying just that after all these years, so why have none ever existed ?

Just more of your islamonazi propaganda that has no foundation in truth and reality

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

That is a unsophisticated description.

The creation of a Jewish state was a foreign project from day one.

All of that other crapola is irrelevant. It is all just part of the scam.

(COMMENT)

• Mudros Agreement: Armistice with Turkey (October 30, 1918)

.....ARTICLE 16. — Surrender of all garrisons in Hedjaz, Assir, Yemen, Syria, and Mesopotamia to the nearest Allied Commander; and the withdrawal of troops from Cicilia, except those necessary to maintain order, as will be determined under Clause V.​

• Treaty of Sevres Part III (1920)

.....ARTICLE 97 --- Turkey hereby undertakes, in accordance with the provisions of Article 132, to accept any decisions which may be taken in relation to the questions dealt with in this Section.
.....ARTICLE 132 --- Outside her frontiers as fixed by the present Treaty Turkey hereby renounces in favour of the Principal Allied Powers all rights and title which she could claim on any ground over or concerning any territories outside Europe which are not otherwise disposed of by the present Treaty. Turkey undertakes to recognise and conform to the measures which may be taken now or in the future by the Principal Allied Powers, in agreement where necessary with third Powers, in order to carry the above stipulation into effect.​

• Lausanne Treaty: Part I (1924)

.....ARTICLE 16 --- Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned. The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighbourly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries.​

No matter when you look or where you look, it becomes immediately obvious to even the most casual of observers --- that that the territory in question was handed over to the Principal Allied Powers (not to the Palestinians in any way shape or form). It wasn't a mistake. The disposition of territory by the Allied Powers was no more "foreign" than the disposition of the territory was with the Ottoman Empire (the sovereign before the surrender).

Most Respectfully,
R

how does all of this verbosity relate to my post?

Because it shows that you are spouting islamonazi propaganda lies without any legal footing. From the time of the Ottoman empire arab muslims held no sovereignty over the M.E. until the LoN gave them the means to do so. Then they gave the sovereignty to foreign princes from another country which you claim is wrong. The treaties all say the same thing that the sovereignty of the M.E. was transferred to the LoN who could then do as they wished with the land.

Do you understand yet that you are wrong and the evidence is right

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, this is often claimed by pro-Palestinians.

• One people (APG) cannot claim independence (September 1948) over an area claimed previously declared independent (May 1948) by another people (National Council for the State of Israel).​

​

Oh really. What was Israel's defined territory and how was it acquired? It has to be more than just say so.

(COMMENT)

Originally, at the time of the midnight 14/15 May 1948 cablegram declaring independence, the Declaration was made pursuant to the recommendations adopted and outlined in A/RES/181(II) - Future Government of Palestine.

Chapter 2: The Partition Plan and the end of the British mandate
At the first special session of the General Assembly, which began on 28 April 1947, five Arab countries — Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Syria — tried unsuccessfully to include in the agenda an item that would address “the termination of the Mandate over Palestine and the declaration of its independence”. The Jewish case was presented by the Jewish Agency for Palestine, while the Arab Higher Committee spoke for the Palestinian Arabs. ----- The adoption of resolution 181 (II) was followed by outbreaks of violence in Palestine. As the situation deteriorated, the Security Council called for a special session of the General Assembly, which then met from 16 April to 14 May 1948. ----- On 14 May 1948, Britain relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. On the same day, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan. Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day, regular troops of the neighboring Arab States entered the territory to force by armed interference a different political outcome. On 15 July 1948, the Security Council decided in a resolution that the situation in Palestine constituted a threat to the peace. It ordered a ceasefire and declared that failure to comply would be construed as a breach of the peace requiring immediate consideration of enforcement measures under Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter. In accordance with the resolution, a second truce came into force. By that time, Israel controlled much of the territory allotted to the Arab State by the partition resolution, including the western part of Jerusalem. Egypt and Jordan respectively controlled the remaining portions of the Gaza district and the West Bank of the Jordan River. More fighting took place in October 1948 and March 1949, during which Israel took over other areas, some of which had been allotted to the Arab State.​

Israel was a product of self-determination, Recommendations of the General Assembly, and the force armed conflict initiated by the local Arabs and the armies of the Arab League.

The territory was acquired through "Cession:" as explained in Post #132.

Most Respectfully,
R

All that and you did not answer my question.

Yes he did, he just did not give the answer you wanted.......................

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh you have it so misinterpreted.

That is not true. The declaration of the All Palestine Government (APG) in 1948, was as bogus as it gets.

Could it be more bogus than the the government of Israel declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization.

Israel is a foreign government established in Palestine against the wishes of the vast majority of the people.

(COMMENT)

The Jewish Agency was a brain-child of the Allied Powers at the San Remo Conference of 24 April 1920 under the League of Nations and imbedded requirement of Article 4, Mandate for Palestine, originally called the Palestine Office (Zionist Organization) in 1908. The Palestine Office was renamed and organized in 1929 to meet the Mandate requirement for an appropriate agency as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home; and a non-governmental organization (NGO) subject to the control of the Administration of Palestine by the Mandatory. This agency need sanctioned as an "appropriate agency" by the Zionist Organization. This appropriateness was also a requirement set forth in the San Remo Agreement nine years before it was created.

The association between the Jewish Agency and the World Zionist Organization (WZO) was purely mandate requirement set forth by the Allied Powers. Not an invention of the WZO. The implication that it was a Jewish Inspired foreign activity is misinformation (not telling the whole story) by a anti-Zionist propaganda machine.

It should also be noted that by 1923, three separate attempts by the Mandatory were made was to establish an "Arab Agency" in Palestine, analogous to the Jewish Agency. However, the Arab Palestinians were not interested at that time in the Mandatory's effort to advance the establishment self-government in Palestine.

The establishment of Israel was pursuant to the guidance adopted by the UN. It was not a foreign government. It was a move by the Jewish Constituents which were all citizens of the territory under the UN guidance. This was not a foreign government. Again, that is misinformation by a propaganda machine "designed or likely to provoke or encourage and threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression." (Resolution adopted by the General Assembly 110 (II) (1947)--- Measures to be taken against propaganda and the inciters of a new war.)

Most Respectfully,
R

Now you are talking Crap Rocco......just STOP LYING steve

So now irrefutable evidence of the legal claim is lying because it goes against your brainwashing. Sure sounds like islamonazi jurisprudence to me muslim right even when he is wrong

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, this is often claimed by pro-Palestinians.

• One people (APG) cannot claim independence (September 1948) over an area claimed previously declared independent (May 1948) by another people (National Council for the State of Israel).​

​

Oh really. What was Israel's defined territory and how was it acquired? It has to be more than just say so.

(COMMENT)

Originally, at the time of the midnight 14/15 May 1948 cablegram declaring independence, the Declaration was made pursuant to the recommendations adopted and outlined in A/RES/181(II) - Future Government of Palestine.

Chapter 2: The Partition Plan and the end of the British mandate
At the first special session of the General Assembly, which began on 28 April 1947, five Arab countries — Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Syria — tried unsuccessfully to include in the agenda an item that would address “the termination of the Mandate over Palestine and the declaration of its independence”. The Jewish case was presented by the Jewish Agency for Palestine, while the Arab Higher Committee spoke for the Palestinian Arabs. ----- The adoption of resolution 181 (II) was followed by outbreaks of violence in Palestine. As the situation deteriorated, the Security Council called for a special session of the General Assembly, which then met from 16 April to 14 May 1948. ----- On 14 May 1948, Britain relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. On the same day, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan. Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day, regular troops of the neighboring Arab States entered the territory to force by armed interference a different political outcome. On 15 July 1948, the Security Council decided in a resolution that the situation in Palestine constituted a threat to the peace. It ordered a ceasefire and declared that failure to comply would be construed as a breach of the peace requiring immediate consideration of enforcement measures under Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter. In accordance with the resolution, a second truce came into force. By that time, Israel controlled much of the territory allotted to the Arab State by the partition resolution, including the western part of Jerusalem. Egypt and Jordan respectively controlled the remaining portions of the Gaza district and the West Bank of the Jordan River. More fighting took place in October 1948 and March 1949, during which Israel took over other areas, some of which had been allotted to the Arab State.​

Israel was a product of self-determination, Recommendations of the General Assembly, and the force armed conflict initiated by the local Arabs and the armies of the Arab League.

The territory was acquired through "Cession:" as explained in Post #132.

Most Respectfully,
R

You need to get off of your resolution 181 shtick.

Israel was violating resolution 181 since before its declaration and continued to violate it since.

Israel never had any intention of abiding by resolution 181. It just lied about it to gain political recognition.

How did Israel violate 181, and don't forget this can only have happened after May 14 1948

 

[theliq]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh you have it so misinterpreted.

That is not true. The declaration of the All Palestine Government (APG) in 1948, was as bogus as it gets.

Could it be more bogus than the the government of Israel declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization.

Israel is a foreign government established in Palestine against the wishes of the vast majority of the people.

(COMMENT)

The Jewish Agency was a brain-child of the Allied Powers at the San Remo Conference of 24 April 1920 under the League of Nations and imbedded requirement of Article 4, Mandate for Palestine, originally called the Palestine Office (Zionist Organization) in 1908. The Palestine Office was renamed and organized in 1929 to meet the Mandate requirement for an appropriate agency as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home; and a non-governmental organization (NGO) subject to the control of the Administration of Palestine by the Mandatory. This agency need sanctioned as an "appropriate agency" by the Zionist Organization. This appropriateness was also a requirement set forth in the San Remo Agreement nine years before it was created.

The association between the Jewish Agency and the World Zionist Organization (WZO) was purely mandate requirement set forth by the Allied Powers. Not an invention of the WZO. The implication that it was a Jewish Inspired foreign activity is misinformation (not telling the whole story) by a anti-Zionist propaganda machine.

It should also be noted that by 1923, three separate attempts by the Mandatory were made was to establish an "Arab Agency" in Palestine, analogous to the Jewish Agency. However, the Arab Palestinians were not interested at that time in the Mandatory's effort to advance the establishment self-government in Palestine.

The establishment of Israel was pursuant to the guidance adopted by the UN. It was not a foreign government. It was a move by the Jewish Constituents which were all citizens of the territory under the UN guidance. This was not a foreign government. Again, that is misinformation by a propaganda machine "designed or likely to provoke or encourage and threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression." (Resolution adopted by the General Assembly 110 (II) (1947)--- Measures to be taken against propaganda and the inciters of a new war.)

Most Respectfully,
R

Now you are talking Crap Rocco......just STOP LYING steve

So now irrefutable evidence of the legal claim is lying because it goes against your brainwashing. Sure sounds like islamonazi jurisprudence to me muslim right even when he is wrong

You Are Not My Equal and Never Will Be.....Address me as Sir from now onwards

 

[RoccoR]

theliq, et al,

Humm... I must have touched a nerve.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh you have it so misinterpreted.

That is not true. The declaration of the All Palestine Government (APG) in 1948, was as bogus as it gets.

Could it be more bogus than the the government of Israel declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich by the foreign World Zionist Organization.

Israel is a foreign government established in Palestine against the wishes of the vast majority of the people.

(COMMENT)

The Jewish Agency was a brain-child of the Allied Powers at the San Remo Conference of 24 April 1920 under the League of Nations and imbedded requirement of Article 4, Mandate for Palestine, originally called the Palestine Office (Zionist Organization) in 1908. The Palestine Office was renamed and organized in 1929 to meet the Mandate requirement for an appropriate agency as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home; and a non-governmental organization (NGO) subject to the control of the Administration of Palestine by the Mandatory. This agency need sanctioned as an "appropriate agency" by the Zionist Organization. This appropriateness was also a requirement set forth in the San Remo Agreement nine years before it was created.

The association between the Jewish Agency and the World Zionist Organization (WZO) was purely mandate requirement set forth by the Allied Powers. Not an invention of the WZO. The implication that it was a Jewish Inspired foreign activity is misinformation (not telling the whole story) by a anti-Zionist propaganda machine.

It should also be noted that by 1923, three separate attempts by the Mandatory were made was to establish an "Arab Agency" in Palestine, analogous to the Jewish Agency. However, the Arab Palestinians were not interested at that time in the Mandatory's effort to advance the establishment self-government in Palestine.

The establishment of Israel was pursuant to the guidance adopted by the UN. It was not a foreign government. It was a move by the Jewish Constituents which were all citizens of the territory under the UN guidance. This was not a foreign government. Again, that is misinformation by a propaganda machine "designed or likely to provoke or encourage and threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression." (Resolution adopted by the General Assembly 110 (II) (1947)--- Measures to be taken against propaganda and the inciters of a new war.)

Most Respectfully,
R

Now you are talking Crap Rocco......just STOP LYING steve

(QUESTION)

Just what about my commentary did you believe is untrue?

v/r
R

 

[rylah]

More blood libels, ridiculous parroting...

You know, I couldn't give a shit what labels you want to put on things, we both know the reason you do it, is because you're too ***** to be a responsible adult.

1. Arabs from Syria, Egypt and Saudi occupied the land of Israel.

We're not talking about them. We're talking about the indigenous, non-Jewish population, that has lived in that area for over 2000 years.

2.The blockade was the result of suicide bombings, and was implemented by Egypt too quiet successfully. It's the decision of Hamas and their electors-the balestinians who gave their children the explosive vests.

Wrong! The blockade started because Israel didn't like the results of a fair and democratic election, which BTW, was none of their god-damn business!

3. When saying "you have done", do You mean just me, all the jews or Israeli citizens all-together?

Israeli citizens all-together. You're responsible for everything your government does. Just like I am with mine.

I have been against the Iraq war from day one, but that doesn't change the fact that, as an American citizen, I am responsible for the death and destruction that were caused by our illegal and immoral invasion of that country.

4. What about owning Your decision to support a terrorist organization which steals UN aid meant for Gazans and WB citizens?

I don't support anything on that side of the planet. **** Hamas and **** Israel! **** both of them and **** you! I could care less about either side. I just don't like someone looking me in the eye and trying to tell me, "the emperor has new clothes". And that's what you're doing.

1. So who are those indigenous people of Palestine if Jews, Saudis, Egyptians and Syrians in Palestine aren't?

2. Yeah 'fair and democratic'..say when were the last elections?

3. Remind me this time Arab-Israelis are responsible for what?

4. I got it 'f**k everyone'...balestinians, Israelis...
I don't know about some magic emperor but Your ill motivation is for everyone to see.

 

[rylah]

Jews would be free once they all remembered their ancestors and the elders and prosper even more. That's the sole purpose of Israel today.

And to think you accuse Muslims of living in the 7th century?

The freedom You're talking about is sold in Europe under the guise of "rights"...Israel seems to know the game of ME better.

Where it deny's the rights of others.

Remembering the Elders is not the same as demanding everyone to live by the rules of those times. However many laws in the west are based on the Jewish law. All this happened before Arab Muslims existed.
In the 7th century while Arabs were still burring their daughters alive
and worshiping idols in Mecca, Jews were living in Israel and Judea for centuries having a distinct monotheistic religion, The one later Christianity and Islam were based upon.

What about the rights of the Europeans not to hear
'Hitler was right" on the streets?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, this is often claimed by pro-Palestinians.

• One people (APG) cannot claim independence (September 1948) over an area claimed previously declared independent (May 1948) by another people (National Council for the State of Israel).​

​

Oh really. What was Israel's defined territory and how was it acquired? It has to be more than just say so.

(COMMENT)

Originally, at the time of the midnight 14/15 May 1948 cablegram declaring independence, the Declaration was made pursuant to the recommendations adopted and outlined in A/RES/181(II) - Future Government of Palestine.

Chapter 2: The Partition Plan and the end of the British mandate
At the first special session of the General Assembly, which began on 28 April 1947, five Arab countries — Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Syria — tried unsuccessfully to include in the agenda an item that would address “the termination of the Mandate over Palestine and the declaration of its independence”. The Jewish case was presented by the Jewish Agency for Palestine, while the Arab Higher Committee spoke for the Palestinian Arabs. ----- The adoption of resolution 181 (II) was followed by outbreaks of violence in Palestine. As the situation deteriorated, the Security Council called for a special session of the General Assembly, which then met from 16 April to 14 May 1948. ----- On 14 May 1948, Britain relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. On the same day, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan. Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day, regular troops of the neighboring Arab States entered the territory to force by armed interference a different political outcome. On 15 July 1948, the Security Council decided in a resolution that the situation in Palestine constituted a threat to the peace. It ordered a ceasefire and declared that failure to comply would be construed as a breach of the peace requiring immediate consideration of enforcement measures under Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter. In accordance with the resolution, a second truce came into force. By that time, Israel controlled much of the territory allotted to the Arab State by the partition resolution, including the western part of Jerusalem. Egypt and Jordan respectively controlled the remaining portions of the Gaza district and the West Bank of the Jordan River. More fighting took place in October 1948 and March 1949, during which Israel took over other areas, some of which had been allotted to the Arab State.​

Israel was a product of self-determination, Recommendations of the General Assembly, and the force armed conflict initiated by the local Arabs and the armies of the Arab League.

The territory was acquired through "Cession:" as explained in Post #132.

Most Respectfully,
R

You need to get off of your resolution 181 shtick.

Israel was violating resolution 181 since before its declaration and continued to violate it since.

Israel never had any intention of abiding by resolution 181. It just lied about it to gain political recognition.

How did Israel violate 181, and don't forget this can only have happened after May 14 1948

There are several but here is one to chew on.

1. Citizenship Palestinian citizens residing in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem, as well as Arabs and Jews who, not holding Palestinian citizenship, reside in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem shall, upon the recognition of independence, become citizens of the State in which they are resident and enjoy full civil and political rights.

The Avalon Project : UN General Assembly Resolution 181

All Palestinians whose normal residence was in the territory that became Israel would become Israeli citizens. This reiterates international law so it is true whether there is a resolution 181 or not. The criterion is normal residence not physical presence so that would include refugees.

 

[Hollie]

Can Palestinian's and Israeli's ever be friends?

No. Obviously. Islamo-ideology carries with it hate for all things and that includes other moslems when they are the "wrong kind" of moslems.

Islamist history is one of perpetual war and conquest. Islam has always been expansionist, bellicose, and xenophobic. It has always been spread by the sword, and through rapine. And, as we see with words and actions from the very islamist "scholars" (past and present) you are in thrall to, islamism is still thoroughly outraged at the ascendency of the infidel and their outrageous behavior of daring to interrupt muhammud's (swish), cult-like embrace of an expansionist ideology that is focused on brute force and ultimately, subjugation of any infidel society within reach. Islamists have kept this indigant grudge smoldering for 1,300 years.

Islam's wars of aggression have been going on-going ever since muhammud's (swish) armies spilled out of the Arabian Peninsula. From the time a violent, power-hungry Arab warlord with grandiose delusions went out on a raid against the merchant caravan of his own people, through the holy war incursions into old Europe that prompted the Crusades, to the moslem slaughter of moslems just in the last few days, jihad has been the reliable vehicle by which Moslems have always carried their message of hate for all things infidel and the decree of making Islamism supreme in all lands

 

[P F Tinmore]

More blood libels, ridiculous parroting...

You know, I couldn't give a shit what labels you want to put on things, we both know the reason you do it, is because you're too ***** to be a responsible adult.

1. Arabs from Syria, Egypt and Saudi occupied the land of Israel.

We're not talking about them. We're talking about the indigenous, non-Jewish population, that has lived in that area for over 2000 years.

2.The blockade was the result of suicide bombings, and was implemented by Egypt too quiet successfully. It's the decision of Hamas and their electors-the balestinians who gave their children the explosive vests.

Wrong! The blockade started because Israel didn't like the results of a fair and democratic election, which BTW, was none of their god-damn business!

3. When saying "you have done", do You mean just me, all the jews or Israeli citizens all-together?

Israeli citizens all-together. You're responsible for everything your government does. Just like I am with mine.

I have been against the Iraq war from day one, but that doesn't change the fact that, as an American citizen, I am responsible for the death and destruction that were caused by our illegal and immoral invasion of that country.

4. What about owning Your decision to support a terrorist organization which steals UN aid meant for Gazans and WB citizens?

I don't support anything on that side of the planet. **** Hamas and **** Israel! **** both of them and **** you! I could care less about either side. I just don't like someone looking me in the eye and trying to tell me, "the emperor has new clothes". And that's what you're doing.

1. So who are those indigenous people of Palestine if Jews, Saudis, Egyptians and Syrians in Palestine aren't?

2. Yeah 'fair and democratic'..say when were the last elections?

3. Remind me this time Arab-Israelis are responsible for what?

4. I got it 'f**k everyone'...balestinians, Israelis...
I don't know about some magic emperor but Your ill motivation is for everyone to see.

1. So who are those indigenous people of Palestine...​

There is no debate. International law, the Treaty of Lausanne, and the Palestinian citizenship order all say the same thing.

 

[Hollie]

More blood libels, ridiculous parroting...

You know, I couldn't give a shit what labels you want to put on things, we both know the reason you do it, is because you're too ***** to be a responsible adult.

1. Arabs from Syria, Egypt and Saudi occupied the land of Israel.

We're not talking about them. We're talking about the indigenous, non-Jewish population, that has lived in that area for over 2000 years.

2.The blockade was the result of suicide bombings, and was implemented by Egypt too quiet successfully. It's the decision of Hamas and their electors-the balestinians who gave their children the explosive vests.

Wrong! The blockade started because Israel didn't like the results of a fair and democratic election, which BTW, was none of their god-damn business!

3. When saying "you have done", do You mean just me, all the jews or Israeli citizens all-together?

Israeli citizens all-together. You're responsible for everything your government does. Just like I am with mine.

I have been against the Iraq war from day one, but that doesn't change the fact that, as an American citizen, I am responsible for the death and destruction that were caused by our illegal and immoral invasion of that country.

4. What about owning Your decision to support a terrorist organization which steals UN aid meant for Gazans and WB citizens?

I don't support anything on that side of the planet. **** Hamas and **** Israel! **** both of them and **** you! I could care less about either side. I just don't like someone looking me in the eye and trying to tell me, "the emperor has new clothes". And that's what you're doing.

1. So who are those indigenous people of Palestine if Jews, Saudis, Egyptians and Syrians in Palestine aren't?

2. Yeah 'fair and democratic'..say when were the last elections?

3. Remind me this time Arab-Israelis are responsible for what?

4. I got it 'f**k everyone'...balestinians, Israelis...
I don't know about some magic emperor but Your ill motivation is for everyone to see.

1. So who are those indigenous people of Palestine...​

There is no debate. International law, the Treaty of Lausanne, and the Palestinian citizenship order all say the same thing.

There is no debate. Shame on you arabs-moslems for displacing all those indigenous Egyptian, Syrian and Lebanese beggars / squatters / land grabbers when your hoped-for Jew genocide was attempted back in 1948.

 

[rylah]

More blood libels, ridiculous parroting...

You know, I couldn't give a shit what labels you want to put on things, we both know the reason you do it, is because you're too ***** to be a responsible adult.

1. Arabs from Syria, Egypt and Saudi occupied the land of Israel.

We're not talking about them. We're talking about the indigenous, non-Jewish population, that has lived in that area for over 2000 years.

2.The blockade was the result of suicide bombings, and was implemented by Egypt too quiet successfully. It's the decision of Hamas and their electors-the balestinians who gave their children the explosive vests.

Wrong! The blockade started because Israel didn't like the results of a fair and democratic election, which BTW, was none of their god-damn business!

3. When saying "you have done", do You mean just me, all the jews or Israeli citizens all-together?

Israeli citizens all-together. You're responsible for everything your government does. Just like I am with mine.

I have been against the Iraq war from day one, but that doesn't change the fact that, as an American citizen, I am responsible for the death and destruction that were caused by our illegal and immoral invasion of that country.

4. What about owning Your decision to support a terrorist organization which steals UN aid meant for Gazans and WB citizens?

I don't support anything on that side of the planet. **** Hamas and **** Israel! **** both of them and **** you! I could care less about either side. I just don't like someone looking me in the eye and trying to tell me, "the emperor has new clothes". And that's what you're doing.

1. So who are those indigenous people of Palestine if Jews, Saudis, Egyptians and Syrians in Palestine aren't?

2. Yeah 'fair and democratic'..say when were the last elections?

3. Remind me this time Arab-Israelis are responsible for what?

4. I got it 'f**k everyone'...balestinians, Israelis...
I don't know about some magic emperor but Your ill motivation is for everyone to see.

1. So who are those indigenous people of Palestine...​

There is no debate. International law, the Treaty of Lausanne, and the Palestinian citizenship order all say the same thing.

What Turks, Syrians, Egyptians and Saudis are indigenous to Palestine?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh you're so close; but, wrong.

There are several but here is one to chew on.

1. Citizenship Palestinian citizens residing in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem, as well as Arabs and Jews who, not holding Palestinian citizenship, reside in Palestine outside the City of Jerusalem shall, upon the recognition of independence, become citizens of the State in which they are resident and enjoy full civil and political rights.

The Avalon Project : UN General Assembly Resolution 181

All Palestinians whose normal residence was in the territory that became Israel would become Israeli citizens. This reiterates international law so it is true whether there is a resolution 181 or not. The criterion is normal residence not physical presence so that would include refugees.

(COMMENT)

First off: Nowhere in Chapter 3 --- Citizenship, international conventions and financial obligations, A/RES/181(II), does it stipulate that "criterion is normal residence not physical presence?" (Does it really say that? Or did you interpret that?) In fact the words "normal or habitual" are not used in this non-binding resolution. Although the intent may include your assumption. Below, I demonstrate how Israel meets this requirement.

More importantly, there is no international citizenship or nationality laws prior to:

NATIONALITY, STATELESSNESS, ASYLUM AND REFUGEES​

• • Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness
  • Convention relating to the Status of Stateless Persons
  • Convention relating to the Status of Refugees
  • Protocol relating to the Status of Refugees
  • Declaration on the Human Rights of Individuals who are not nationals of the country in which they live

What the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) A/RES/217(III), says is:

Article 15.

(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.

(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.
​

The European Convention on Nationality (Strasbourg, 6.XI.1997)(ECN) is a bit more definitive.

Chapter VI – State succession and nationality

Article 18 – Principles

1. 
   
   • In matters of nationality in cases of State succession, each State Party concerned shall respect the principles of the rule of law, the rules concerning human rights and the principles contained in Articles 4 and 5 of this Convention and in paragraph 2 of this article, in particular in order to avoid statelessness.
   • In deciding on the granting or the retention of nationality in cases of State succession, each State Party concerned shall take account in particular of:
     1. the genuine and effective link of the person concerned with the State;
     2. the habitual residence of the person concerned at the time of State succession;
     3. the will of the person concerned;
     4. the territorial origin of the person concerned.
   • Where the acquisition of nationality is subject to the loss of a foreign nationality, the provisions of Article 16 of this Convention shall apply.

Article 19 – Settlement by international agreement

In cases of State succession, States Parties concerned shall endeavour to regulate matters relating to nationality by agreement amongst themselves and, where applicable, in their relationship with other States concerned. Such agreements shall respect the principles and rules contained or referred to in this chapter.

Article 20 – Principles concerning non-nationals

1. • Each State Party shall respect the following principles:
     1. nationals of a predecessor State habitually resident in the territory over which sovereignty is transferred to a successor State and who have not acquired its nationality shall have the right to remain in that State;
     2. persons referred to in sub-paragraph a shall enjoy equality of treatment with nationals of the successor State in relation to social and economic rights.
   • Each State Party may exclude persons considered under paragraph 1 from employment in the public service involving the exercise of sovereign powers.

However, the ECN was written in 1997 and is not relevant as a legal precedent prior to that time; including the Arab-Israel Wars of 1948, 1967, and 1973.

Second, the rule of thumb for Refugees is very different than you assert. CERI is not "law". It is and Administrative Guide. Most Palestinians registered under CERI are not true refugees, living off the dole.

Third, no one in the West Bank or Gaza Strip is either a stateless person or a true refugee. And Palestinians of the West Bank and Gaza Strip who have acquired a new nationality (that of the State of Palestine) or held a previous nationality (citizen of the Hashemite Kingdom), and enjoyed the protection of that nation, is well beyond the consideration of Israel.

Fourth: (I am not an expert of Israeli Law.) But my understanding is that current Israeli Citizenship and Nationality Law cover:

• (a) A person who, immediately before the establishment of the State, was a Palestinian citizen and who does not become a Israel national under section 2, shall become an Israel national with effect from the day of the establishment of the State if -
  • (1) he was registered on the 4th Adar, 5712 (1st March 1952) as an inhabitant under the Registration of Inhabitants Ordinance, 5709-1949(2); and
  • (2) he is an inhabitant of Israel on the day of the coming into force of this Law; and
  • (3) he was in Israel, or in an area which became Israel territory after the establishment of the State, from the day of the establishment of the State to the day of the coming into force of this Law, or entered Israel legally during that period.
• (b) A person born after the establishment of the State who is an inhabitant of Israel on the day of the coming into force of this Law, and whose father or mother becomes an Israel national under subsection (a), shall become an Israel national with effect from the day of his birth.

I believe that NATIONALITY LAW, 5712-1952* PART ONE: ACQUISITION OF NATIONALITY conforms to the general stipulations under the UDHR A/RES/217(III), pertaining to Nationality.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The status of "indigenous people" confers no special rights of privileges. In fact the UN says:

• "Considering the diversity of indigenous peoples, an official definition of “indigenous” has not been adopted by any UN-system body."

1. So who are those indigenous people of Palestine...​

There is no debate. International law, the Treaty of Lausanne, and the Palestinian citizenship order all say the same thing.

(COMMENT)

They may very well. But that has nothing to do with being a citizen of Israel or the State of Palestine (alla 1988).

Most Respectfully,
R