I've been following the American/EU/NATO coup in the Ukraine and the civil war that arose from handing Kiev over to thugs intently for quite some time now.
It would not surprise me in the least if some Russian soldiers are involved in assisting pro Russian rebels and if some have died.
Kudos to them. Russia assisting pro Russian rebels is no worse than the US assisting in the arming of faux rebels in Syria to overthrow Assad or bombing the shit out of Libya to overthrow Gaddafi and hand the country over to Islamic militias who will now fight over who will control 1/5th of the worlds oil supply.
Where you got this point of view isn't important....what is important is that it's ridiculous. The "rebels" are clearly russian special forces (spetnaz)....it's why they wear masks when there are cameras around. There is no "independence" movement in eastern Ukraine....it's all a set up for Putin to keep his dirty paws on Crimea. They bragged about shooting down a Malaysian airliner! Shame on you for standing up for that asshole.
So sad. Too bad. You obviously are unaware of exactly who we in the west handed the Ukraine over to in Kiev. Thugs.
If you believe that there are no such people as "pro Russian Ukrainians" you are truly ignorant. They detest Kiev with a passion. The Ukraine is as divided as America.
The western backed coup threw out a duly elected President and his duly elected party. The President that the East put in power. The party members that the East put in power.
By the way, it was completely illegal by the Ukraine's Constitution to remove the President the way they did.
Of course there are overwhelming numbers of Ukrainians in the East who want nothing to do with Kiev and the thugs that rule now illegally and wish to separate from this farce of a government.
I would too.
Weird coincidence, your comments and claims follow Russian controlled Russian media word for word. Of course, inquiring minds might be inclined to consider the other side of some of these claims. For instance the belief by so many Ukrainian citizens that the coup you mention as being some kind of fact is also thought to have been a constitutional impeachment followed by a constitutionally required nationwide election that was monitored by international observers and overwhelmingly elected the current leadership and government in Kyiv. So, yes, there was a coup, but what is referenced as a coup is actually the internationally accepted way to replace a corrupt government that is shooting down citizens in the street. Your opinion that the removal of a corrupt leader was illegal is nothing more than your biased opinion.
You also make the claim that "overwhelming numbers of Ukrainians in the east want nothing to do with Kiev". Your evidence for that seems to be a 2010 election map that at most is an indication that people in the east wanted to maintain trade and cultural relations with their Russian neighbors. If an overwhelming number wanted to separate from Ukraine the constant influx of Russian troops to fill the so called separatist ranks would not be required.
That brings us to the outrageous comments you make about Russian troops not being in Ukraine or your minimizing it as if maybe a few are there but there is no real proof. Well, that is a blatant lie and insult to the Ukrainians fighting and dying for freedom and pure unadulterated Putin propaganda. If not for the Russian invaders filling the ranks of the alleged separatist, that so called civil war would have been over long ago. Do you think the Russian news media is making up stories of Russian soldiers coming home from Ukraine to be buried in Russian soil are conspirators in some plot by Kyiv and the west to misinform the Russian people? No, even the controlled media is unable to keep the secret. The babushka's won't let that happen.
I'm my own person Camp. I need no talking points to discuss any topic.
Let alone from any media outlet in any country.
Now to your post. Re: Constitutional Impeachment.
For instance the belief by so many Ukrainian citizens that the coup you mention as being some kind of fact is also thought to have been a constitutional impeachment followed by a constitutionally required nationwide election that was monitored by international observers and overwhelmingly elected the current leadership and government in Kyiv.
The impeachment and the removal of the President was illegal. Unless you can show me where the Verkhovna Rada conducted an investigation as required by the Constitution.
Unless you can show me where and when the VR established a special temporary investigatory commission.
Unless you can tell me who the Special Prosecutor was.
Unless you can tell me who the Special Investigators were.
Unless you can provide evidence of the conclusions and the proposals of the Special Investigation.
And of course unless you can show me when the Constitutional Court of the Ukraine reviewed the case brought forth by the Special Investigation.
This is a biggie Camp. Where is "the opinion of the Supreme Court of Ukraine to the effect that the acts, of which the President of Ukraine is accused, contain elements of state treason or other crime."
You and others keep claiming that this impeachment was constitutional.
Swell.
Show me how the VR obeyed the Constitutional requirements for impeachment according to Article 111.
Article 111
The President of Ukraine may be removed from office by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine by the procedure of impeachment, in the event that he or she commits state treason or other crime.
The issue of the removal of the President of Ukraine from office by the procedure of impeachment is initiated by the majority of the constitutional composition of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.
To conduct the investigation, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine establishes a special temporary investigatory commission whose composition includes a special Prosecutor and special investigators.
The conclusions and proposals of the temporary investigatory commission are considered at a meeting of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.
For cause, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, by no less than two-thirds of its constitutional composition, adopts a decision on the accusation of the President of Ukraine.
The decision on the removal of the President of Ukraine from office by the procedure of impeachment is adopted by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine by no less than three-quarters of its constitutional composition, after the review of the case by the Constitutional Court of Ukraine and the receipt of its opinion on the observance of the constitutional procedure of investigation and consideration of the case of impeachment, and the receipt of the opinion of the Supreme Court of Ukraine to the effect that the acts, of which the President of Ukraine is accused, contain elements of state treason or other crime.
Constitution of Ukraine 2004 - Wikisource the free online library
"WE deal with"? MACV RECONDO at Nha Trang was run by 5th SFG, ya wormy little *****. No "whores at Da Nang" wore Tiger Stripes....they were prized and even a dirtbag supply clerk like you couldn't get your hands on them as of 10-68 when I left. As to your supposed identity, I'd imagine if there is a "Tom Sweet(y)nam" who served in the RVN, he's probably dead or in a nuthouse, leaving you free to steal his identity. Good luck with your panic attack ya phony loser.
well said, Sir.
