What are the real long term effects of being raised by two gay parents? Obviously there are kids who become successful no matter the home, but I am talking about what gives the best chances. I have read 'studies' that argue for both sides of the debate, but I don't really trust the researchers in this area because the chance for bias is so high and because there will never be a formula that proves it right wrong.
I'd like to ask you a few questions. Do you have children?
Yes of course. But the real question here is- would my not having a child somehow lesson your bigoted, hateful mindset towards gays? Probably not. In fact, you might even use someone not having a child as a basis for more bigotry- in claiming that not having a child somehow makes their opinion on child rearing moot. Unfortunately for you, it still takes a village, so every voice matters, straight, gay, and with or without munchkins. =)
Were you raised by two straight parents your whole life or otherwise?
Are you straight or gay?
How many of your favorite school teachers were gay?
How many of your bff's are gay?
Are you religious or irreligious?
What city/area were you raised in?
This is not about me, but I will humor you anyways:
I was raised by a mother and father, until I was 9, when my father died. Then I was raised by a "single mom", a euphemism created by bigots, as a "politically correct" means to show their hate to all moms who are going it alone, whether by rational choice, or because they had a spouse die.. Anyways, I was raised by a mom, a dad, and a whole village of people, well before my father died, so I fail to see the point of this.
I am straight. What's your point?
My favorite English(high school) and Algebra (middle school) professors were both gay. I also had an awesome Ecology teacher (high school) who was a lesbian. That doesn't make any difference. Some of my other favorite teachers have been straight, and some of my least favored were either gay or straight. YOU ARE A FUCKING BIGOT. Thats the problem here.
I had a couple very good friends who went to bisexuality for about a year, each, and then switched back, when they realized that it was not for them. I have many friends and acquaintances who are gay or lesbian. I also have many more friends who are straight. Most of my friends are straight. Again, what is your fucking POINT?? You are so ignorant!!!
I am religious. VERY. I study the bible PLENTY more than you would probably like to think. I know what KJV says about homosexuality.. I also know that King James was rumored to be gay, himself, and that the 1600s were a very homophobic time, when people were very in the closet about their sexuality. Again, what is your fucking point???
It is none of your damn business where I am from, either. What is YOUR social security number, asshole? How fucking relevant is all that??? It is not. There were plenty of people in my hometown who were anti-gay, and plenty that were not homophobic at all. BIGOTRY is a PROBLEM, and it doesn't matter what kind of area you are from. Even San Francisco has homophobes... But I am sure that even YOU would know that.
Personally it seems very difficult to me for a kid to be raised properly in a house like this. The idea of daughters with 'daddy issues' gets joked about a lot, but it is a real problem and Id on't think no matter how much love came from two lesbian parents that this essential need will be made up for.
Did you have a close relationship with your dad?
Yes I did. I have followed in his footsteps, all the way, asshole. Dont psycho analyze me, prick.
I think the discussion is truly what is best between two scenarios:
1. Normal straight parents who stay married and show love to their children.(Single moms and disfunctional families don't fall in this category)
2. Gay guardians.
You are an asshole. "Normal" is 50% single parents.. That is the divorce rate, you know. And those are NOT ONLY single moms, you fucking twit. It DOES take two people to fucking have a child. For every single mom, there is ALSO a single dad, as well. And usually those are deadbeats. Lets talk about issues here...
And who gives a shit whether the guardian is gay??? Why is that such a big issue for you? UHHHH Could it be because you are an ignorant bigot???? Gee!!
This is exactly the reason why gays want to adopt children. They want more people to accept their lifestyle so they teach the youngest and most impressionable people there are. Children. I don't think that is healthy for the child.
Well that is a bunch of bullcrap. They want what every other childless family wants.. a kid. You have SERIOUS problems if you think that anyone would commit themselves to a lifetime of hard work, stress, and hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt, for one child, just to push a political agenda. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard, by far.
I definitely don't believe all gays are going to hell. Judgment is God's only and he will judge each person according to the purity of their heart and actions. Although I believe homosexuality to be a sin, it is not a greater sin than any other. We all have different challenges and homosexuality is just one temptation people suffer from. Not everyone feels the temptation to murder, or steal, etc. Homosexuality is no different.
You do realize, then, that not "loving thy neighbor like he is yourself", is also a sin.. So stop throwing stones, dickwad. You aren't any better than anyone else, who partakes in sexual experiences that you are, SIMPLY PUT, uncomfortable with.
Did you grow up in the same home as these people? You may never know what demons they truly face or shames they would never tell anyone. It's easy to say that someone has grown up well balanced because they have a good job or no criminal record, but there may be hidden side effects and personal anguish that may never heal from coming from such an environment.
And usually those "anguished" people tend to self medicate, with booze or pills, and SOONER OR LATER get into all kinds of trouble. The biggest fucking criminals I have ever come across had two parent families, man and wife. Not Gays. Nope. Haven't met one gay person with a criminal record, yet, aside from this one tranny who has a prostitution record, and FYI- I do not remain friends with criminals, no matter how they were raised. LOL!!
Despite what some people think. Image is very important to children. The image we portray to others is often a symbol of what is going on in our personal lives. This is not up for debate. It's a fact. Although image is NOT everything, it certainly means a lot. We would all do well to consider our appearance in front of children especially. You never know how a child can take the message you give them by your appearance, even if you never say a word. Children have vivid imaginations that if unchecked can mutate into wild and horrid fantasies that were once based on the images they saw as a young child.
Oh blah... What is the matter with you? You never met Paris Hilton, I take it? No farmer's daughters, for you, right? You never made out with the reverend's teenage hottie, out at some lake? You never went out drinking and skirt chasing with some cop's son??
You REALLY need to get out more, dude.
Image is NOT everything.
You are right, being supportive is not the issue. Anyone can be supportive, but that doesn't make an adoptee the child of any adopter. Support should be given by all parents and guardians, but that is not the only measure of the quality of a parent or guardian. It is in the teachings they support. Are they good teachings or bad teachings. Wise or foolish? Fantastic or realistic? Healthy or unhealthy? God knows.
Yep.. And I have seen more drug-free, well educated GAYS AND LESBIANS with nice, clean homes, lots of food for the kids to eat, plenty of culture to offer them, museum trips, reading tutors, etc, than I am sure I will ever see in a "straight" household. The average straight household is FAR more dsfunctional than the average gay one, that is a fucking FACT, based on what I have seen and experienced thus far. Again- go hang out at a playground or park or something sometime, make friends with some of the gay and straight people there, and SEE for YOURSELF. I swear, you will eat your foot when you finally get your head far enough out of your ass to see what the real world is like.
There is nothing simple or easy about being a parent. That is because there is nothing simple or easy about the psychology of an individual. They all need to be listened to and nurtured properly. Caring mothers and fathers are best at this. Your response indicates that you have no children. If I am wrong please let me know and be sure to use as many f-bombs as you can so that you make sure I get the correct emphasis you are trying to put out. Thank you. Btw, some of us aren't winging it and do have a clue as to what's coming next as clear as the writing on any wall.
I have a 10 year old son. Don't tell me I don't have kids, based on the fact that YOU Are probably oblivious to your own children's "deviant" behavior, behind your back. I KNOW what is expected of him, and I know what I expect, and that is almost always exactly what I get.. but he changes his likes and dislikes occassionally, and sometimes he does things he shouldn't. ALL KIDS DO THIS. Get off your fucking high horse and stop acting like you are the only one here who has read a self help book on child rearing. My kid is AWESOME. Everyone says so. And if you DARE to say that because I am a single mom, that I am running some kind of dysfunctional home, you will REALLY get some F-bombs coming from me, you bigoted fucking shitwad.
This is one of the most prejudiced statements I've ever heard.
It's also one of the most erroneous.
Not bloody likely. Where's your guarantee?
That's heavily debatable on so many levels.
Where did you get your degree in child psychology? UC Berkeley?
"will not affect the kid"? That is an utterly oblivious statement.
I have absolutely no clue what you are talking about here, nor do I care. Where the fucking hell did you get your child psychology degree?? The TOOL ACADEMY??? HAHAHA
And if the other parent is dead or in and out of jail, or just not participating in the kid's life, then two same sex parents ARE STILL better than just having one parent, and whatever issues the kid has over missing the other biological parent are still going to exist anyways..
That's saying a lot, gay guardians are better than having dead parents or criminal parents. I have a better suggestion than both. Straight foster parents. But again, I think the original debate is what is better between traditional functional parents or gay guardians.
LMAO So now gays are not even FUNCTIONAL??? You are a real piece of work..
I think you said it right there. To you, "whatever" goes. There are no rules, no guidelines and certainly no history to learn from.
Why don't YOU learn from history for once, LIE SPEAKER? You have an abundance of ignorance for how history has worked thus far. MANY families have raised kids that were not theirs to begin with. MANY families have raised kids, even if there was not a father around, or a mom. You are just one sick twisted, hateful fucking asshole who just wants to shit on those people who don't fall neatly into what your bigoted idea of what would be the "most ideal" home life scenario. Screw you. Just as many homes are not two parent, as there are two parent homes, so what the fuck ever.
You are one ignorant fuck, thats all there is to it.
