Calling It a New Name Won't Make Socialism Work

[Weatherman2020]

But it’s never been implemented properly before – this time around. I’m sure top people like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will succeed where Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, Mao, Castro, Chavez, Maduro, etc. have failed.


SORRY, DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS — YOU’RE STILL PUSHING POISON.

I happen to know a little something about the transfer of private industry to government control. My grandmother’s father had his bakery seized in the Soviet city of Gomel. He was sent to a gulag, where he then died.

Oh, that’s crazy, Democratic Socialists would respond. No one is planning to seize bakeries. And no one will be sent to prison for owning a business.

No? What if those who own companies in industries that “necessitate some form of state ownership” don’t want to give them up willingly? What happens when the state runs out of money from the industries seized and needs more?

It’s baffling how we can still be considering centralized control of industries when that has never worked anywhere. And how socialism lovers so easily dismiss the underlying foundation in countries that have veered toward some form of that system: capitalism. Countries such as Norway, for example, are helped by a large abundance of natural resources and an essentially capitalist system supporting the welfare state.

On the other hand, nations where socialism continues to wreak havoc and spur poverty, disease and crime, like Venezuela, don’t have much support from capitalism. Fact is, “socialism” only works when it’s paid for by capitalism.

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In the fall of 1959, Nikita Khrushchev gave a series of speeches here. In one, he said, “We are catching up with you in economic progress, and the time is not far distant when we will move into the lead.” In Russia, that prompted folks to joke: “When we finally catch up to America, can I get off?”

 

[Confounding]

I wish Republicans could get their shit straight.

Just for the record, are the Nordic countries socialist in your opinion, or no?

 

[Norman]

I wish Republicans could get their shit straight.

Just for the record, are the Nordic countries socialist in your opinion, or no?

It depends which definition you are using. Some say social democracy belongs under socialism, some not. I don't think there is a right answer to the question as it entirely depends on the context you are discussing in.

So instead of your stupid word game, just observe the distinction that was made. Free markets create about 100% of the wealth in those countries. They are a social democracy, not a hard socialists Venezuela. Above all their population has an IQ of 100, while Venezuela... 80.

 

[Some Guy]

I wish Republicans could get their shit straight.

Just for the record, are the Nordic countries socialist in your opinion, or no?

No. They never have been. They're capitalist economies with high taxes to fund large entitlement programs, and they're scaling back on those because *gasp* they're proving to be unsustainable.

 

[Mac1958]

So we're still pretending the Democrats are pushing 100%, full-blown socialism, in which private property is eliminated and government owns all means of production and distribution.

Okay, sure, why not.
.

 

[Meathead]

I wish Republicans could get their shit straight.

Just for the record, are the Nordic countries socialist in your opinion, or no?

Sure, and America is populated by tall intelligent blonds.

 

[TNHarley]

I wish Republicans could get their shit straight.

Just for the record, are the Nordic countries socialist in your opinion, or no?

No. They never have been. They're capitalist economies with high taxes to fund large entitlement programs, and they're scaling back on those because *gasp* they're proving to be unsustainable.

Scaling back?
You wouldnt happen to have a link for that, would ya?

 

[Norman]

So we're still pretending the Democrats are pushing 100%, full-blown socialism, in which private property is eliminated and government owns all means of production and distribution.

Okay, sure, why not.
.

The regressives are doing exactly this... You can easily tell apart these groups.

In fact, their proposal is much more dangerous than communism. Communism can be cured, but once you replace your population with 3rd worlders, that is sort of a one time deal.

 

[Toro]

I disagree.

All socialism needs is rebranding.

I think that renaming it "Happy Unicorn Fantasy Socioeconomic System" will make people more readily accept socialism and make it work this time.

 

[Some Guy]

So we're still pretending the Democrats are pushing 100%, full-blown socialism, in which private property is eliminated and government owns all means of production and distribution.

Okay, sure, why not.
.

True. But...

Are they proposing more regulation of various industries and markets rather than less? Yes.
Are they proposing higher corporate taxes? Yes.

Regulations influence or dictate how businesses run and taxes obviously take operating expenses away from them. They are very transparent about wanting more influence on how commerce is done in the U.S., not less. Pair that with their transparent desire for giant government funded programs at extremely high costs and it's very hard to take them at their word.

 

[Slade3200]

But it’s never been implemented properly before – this time around. I’m sure top people like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will succeed where Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, Mao, Castro, Chavez, Maduro, etc. have failed.


SORRY, DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS — YOU’RE STILL PUSHING POISON.

I happen to know a little something about the transfer of private industry to government control. My grandmother’s father had his bakery seized in the Soviet city of Gomel. He was sent to a gulag, where he then died.

Oh, that’s crazy, Democratic Socialists would respond. No one is planning to seize bakeries. And no one will be sent to prison for owning a business.

No? What if those who own companies in industries that “necessitate some form of state ownership” don’t want to give them up willingly? What happens when the state runs out of money from the industries seized and needs more?

It’s baffling how we can still be considering centralized control of industries when that has never worked anywhere. And how socialism lovers so easily dismiss the underlying foundation in countries that have veered toward some form of that system: capitalism. Countries such as Norway, for example, are helped by a large abundance of natural resources and an essentially capitalist system supporting the welfare state.

On the other hand, nations where socialism continues to wreak havoc and spur poverty, disease and crime, like Venezuela, don’t have much support from capitalism. Fact is, “socialism” only works when it’s paid for by capitalism.

* * * * * * * *

In the fall of 1959, Nikita Khrushchev gave a series of speeches here. In one, he said, “We are catching up with you in economic progress, and the time is not far distant when we will move into the lead.” In Russia, that prompted folks to joke: “When we finally catch up to America, can I get off?”

Do you understand the difference between democratic socialism and socialism or do you think they are the same thing?

 

[Rustic]

I wish Republicans could get their shit straight.

Just for the record, are the Nordic countries socialist in your opinion, or no?

We don’t want European socialism over here... We far too socialist already.
**** any and all forms of socialism

 

[Some Guy]

I wish Republicans could get their shit straight.

Just for the record, are the Nordic countries socialist in your opinion, or no?

No. They never have been. They're capitalist economies with high taxes to fund large entitlement programs, and they're scaling back on those because *gasp* they're proving to be unsustainable.

Scaling back?
You wouldnt happen to have a link for that, would ya?

Nope. I've heard some talking heads mention it. It may have been "talking about" or something like that.

 

[Rustic]

I disagree.

All socialism needs is rebranding.

I think that renaming it "Happy Unicorn Fantasy Socioeconomic System" will make people more readily accept socialism and make it work this time.

Yep, But I have a simpler name… “Someone else pay for my shit” ...

 

[Rustic]

But it’s never been implemented properly before – this time around. I’m sure top people like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will succeed where Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, Mao, Castro, Chavez, Maduro, etc. have failed.


SORRY, DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS — YOU’RE STILL PUSHING POISON.

I happen to know a little something about the transfer of private industry to government control. My grandmother’s father had his bakery seized in the Soviet city of Gomel. He was sent to a gulag, where he then died.

Oh, that’s crazy, Democratic Socialists would respond. No one is planning to seize bakeries. And no one will be sent to prison for owning a business.

No? What if those who own companies in industries that “necessitate some form of state ownership” don’t want to give them up willingly? What happens when the state runs out of money from the industries seized and needs more?

It’s baffling how we can still be considering centralized control of industries when that has never worked anywhere. And how socialism lovers so easily dismiss the underlying foundation in countries that have veered toward some form of that system: capitalism. Countries such as Norway, for example, are helped by a large abundance of natural resources and an essentially capitalist system supporting the welfare state.

On the other hand, nations where socialism continues to wreak havoc and spur poverty, disease and crime, like Venezuela, don’t have much support from capitalism. Fact is, “socialism” only works when it’s paid for by capitalism.

* * * * * * * *

In the fall of 1959, Nikita Khrushchev gave a series of speeches here. In one, he said, “We are catching up with you in economic progress, and the time is not far distant when we will move into the lead.” In Russia, that prompted folks to joke: “When we finally catch up to America, can I get off?”

Do you understand the difference between democratic socialism and socialism or do you think they are the same thing?

Socialism of any type sucks ******* ass

 

[iceberg]

venezuela - any more questions?

 

[Confounding]

So we're still pretending the Democrats are pushing 100%, full-blown socialism, in which private property is eliminated and government owns all means of production and distribution.

Okay, sure, why not.
.

The regressives are doing exactly this... You can easily tell apart these groups.

In fact, their proposal is much more dangerous than communism. Communism can be cured, but once you replace your population with 3rd worlders, that is sort of a one time deal.

I'm for tough immigration laws. I'm also for the kind of capitalism the Nordic countries have. If they are not socialists then neither is Bernie Sanders. He's never advocated for anything they're not already doing. He wants to emulate their system, not destroy private property and take away the ability to have upward momentum.

 

[Slade3200]

I disagree.

All socialism needs is rebranding.

I think that renaming it "Happy Unicorn Fantasy Socioeconomic System" will make people more readily accept socialism and make it work this time.

Yep, But I have a simpler name… “Someone else pay for my shit” ...

Do you consider taxation as socialism?

 

[forkup]

I disagree.

All socialism needs is rebranding.

I think that renaming it "Happy Unicorn Fantasy Socioeconomic System" will make people more readily accept socialism and make it work this time.

Yep, But I have a simpler name… “Someone else pay for my shit” ...

Yes and that simpler name would be wrong. If everybody pays more taxes then it wouldn't be someone else now would it?

 

[Confounding]

So we're still pretending the Democrats are pushing 100%, full-blown socialism, in which private property is eliminated and government owns all means of production and distribution.

Okay, sure, why not.
.

True. But...

Are they proposing more regulation of various industries and markets rather than less? Yes.
Are they proposing higher corporate taxes? Yes.

Regulations influence or dictate how businesses run and taxes obviously take operating expenses away from them. They are very transparent about wanting more influence on how commerce is done in the U.S., not less. Pair that with their transparent desire for giant government funded programs at extremely high costs and it's very hard to take them at their word.

Why not be honest and call it what it is, or don't call it what it's not? Higher taxes and social programs is not socialism.