Call Apartheid in Israel by Its Name

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine has borders. They don't need to negotiate anything.

LMAO go for it, define those borders LOL

The simple truth is the only real name we can call the phony charge of apartheid in Israel is bullshit.

The restrictions placed on the Arab Muslim population in Israel is are there BECAUSE of the outragiously violent behavior of the Arab Muslims.

Apartheid is instead, not a result of the victims behavior.

Palestine has had international borders since its inception. There has never been any treaty to change them.

Nonsense, palestine was never "incepted" ;--)

Ergo than can be no occupation.

and the only name for the accusation of apartheid in Israel is bullshit. Unless that is you are referring to the Arab Muslim exclusion of Judaic people in areas under Arab Muslim influence

Nonsense, before the Mandate could be assigned to Palestine there had to be a Palestine.

Yikes.

I don't normally respond to your posts for a reason but this one is just too funny not to respond to.

Before the mandate there were three provinces of Ottoman Southern Syria.

Gaza, Acre and Tripoli

Prior to that the area was referred to as

In Byzantine Times it was just Syria

The term palaestina only shows up rarely in history.

The mandate for palestine woudl have been more accurately termed the mandate for southern syria.

 

[docmauser1]

There are two groups who want to create two (actually three) new states. They need to negotiate a treaty. And um, Oslo.

The Palestinians are not asking to create a state.

At last! An admission, albeit an indirect one, that, all that talk about two states is a palisimian bullshitting only. They're quite content in their current state. Nations don't behave that way, but palistanians have never been one, anyway. As Larry Miller put it: So for the sake of honesty, let’s not use the word ‘Palestinian’ any more to describe these delightful folks, who dance for joy at our deaths until someone points out they’re being taped. Instead, let’s call them what they are: ‘Other Arabs Who Can’t Accomplish Anything In Life And Would Rather Wrap Themselves In The Seductive Melodrama Of Eternal Struggle And Death.’ I know that’s a bit unwieldy to expect to see on CNN. How about this, then: ‘Adjacent Jew-Haters.’ Okay, so the Adjacent Jew-Haters want their own country. Oops, just one more thing: No, they don’t. They could’ve had their own country. Anytime in the last thirty years, especially several years ago at Camp David. But If you have your own country, you have to have traffic lights and garbage trucks. And Chambers of Commerce, and, worse, you actually have to figure out some way to make a living. That’s no fun. No, they want what all the other Jew-Haters in the region want: Israel. They also want a big pile of dead Jews, of course that’s where the real fun is — but mostly they want Israel.

 

[Shusha]

The Palestinians are not asking to create a state.

Well, good. They won't be sad when they don't get one, then.

 

[Phoenall]

I don't understand what this means. And you didn't answer my question. Yes or no.

Israel has a long standing terrorist propaganda campaign against Palestinians. It is a bunch of lies.

Palestinians aren't really shooting rockets at Israel and stabbing them in the streets?

"At Israel" is an interesting term considering the is no border there.

So that means that Palestine does not have a border either, so they will have to negotiate one.

This still means that the Palestinians are guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity by firing illegal weapons from their controlled land into Israel's controlled land. This is contrary to the UN charter and they are guilty of unprecedented attacks on another sovereign nation of the UN.

Palestine has borders. They don't need to negotiate anything.

Have they, then you will have no problem producing the link that shows these borders of the nation of Palestine. This means the LoN mandate borders do not count as they clearly say that it is for the mandate and not the nation. The only one I can find is the one from 1988 that says from the river to the sea and from north to south without defining which river, which sea and how far north or south they are prepared to go.


The Borders of Israel are not set in stone until the arab muslims agree to meet and negotiate mutual borders, 2 down so far with 2 or 3 to go......................

 

[Phoenall]

Thing is ask him to justify his clams and he will ignore you, or deflect away from the request because he cant

Even when the definition of protected persons is set out in this way, it may seem rather complicated. Nevertheless, disregarding points of detail, it will be seen that there are two main classes of protected person: (1) ' enemy nationals ' within the national territory of each of the Parties to the conflict and (2) ' the whole population ' of occupied territories (excluding nationals of the Occupying Power).

ICRC service

Don't give me all this legal crap. Tell me -- do you think it is morally acceptable or justifiable to kill Israeli people because they are Israeli and not "protected persons"? Including children? Yes or no?

If you think it is, I stand by my assessment that you have a vile ideology.

If you think it is not, then what purpose does it serve to post a comment like "Israelis are not considered "civilians"?

If you think it is not, then what purpose does it serve to post a comment like "Israelis are not considered "civilians"?​

I am just pointing out Israel's terrorist propaganda campaign.

And who are you to say Israel has a terrorist propaganda campaign, what authority do you have other than that you have given yourself.

It is obvious. Israel cries terrorist even when troops or other non protected people are attacked. Israel cannot go through a day without playing a deck of terrorist cards. Like they are selling something.

If the attacks take place outside of Palestinian controlled land then they are terrorist attacks, you really need to get a remedial course in English under your belt as you are losing your marbles with your claims. It is not Israel claiming that the attacks are terrorism, but A.I, UK, Europe and the US

 

[Phoenall]

Palestine has borders. They don't need to negotiate anything.

What you deem to be "Palestine" has TWO peoples who each want self-determination. They most certainly do need to negotiate borders between themselves.

Indeed, the natives and the colonists.

The natives being the Jews and the colonists being the muslims. As rat boy admitted on another thread the colonists came after the fall of the Roman empire. The Jews were invited to migrate and close settle by the lands sovereign rulers.

 

[Phoenall]

LMAO go for it, define those borders LOL

The simple truth is the only real name we can call the phony charge of apartheid in Israel is bullshit.

The restrictions placed on the Arab Muslim population in Israel is are there BECAUSE of the outragiously violent behavior of the Arab Muslims.

Apartheid is instead, not a result of the victims behavior.

Palestine has had international borders since its inception. There has never been any treaty to change them.

Nonsense, palestine was never "incepted" ;--)

Ergo than can be no occupation.

and the only name for the accusation of apartheid in Israel is bullshit. Unless that is you are referring to the Arab Muslim exclusion of Judaic people in areas under Arab Muslim influence

Nonsense, before the Mandate could be assigned to Palestine there had to be a Palestine.

Yikes.

I don't normally respond to your posts for a reason but this one is just too funny not to respond to.

Before the mandate there were three provinces of Ottoman Southern Syria.

Gaza, Acre and Tripoli

Prior to that the area was referred to as

In Byzantine Times it was just Syria

The term palaestina only shows up rarely in history.

The mandate for palestine woudl have been more accurately termed the mandate for southern syria.

 

[Phoenall]

LMAO go for it, define those borders LOL

The simple truth is the only real name we can call the phony charge of apartheid in Israel is bullshit.

The restrictions placed on the Arab Muslim population in Israel is are there BECAUSE of the outragiously violent behavior of the Arab Muslims.

Apartheid is instead, not a result of the victims behavior.

Palestine has had international borders since its inception. There has never been any treaty to change them.

Nonsense, palestine was never "incepted" ;--)

Ergo than can be no occupation.

and the only name for the accusation of apartheid in Israel is bullshit. Unless that is you are referring to the Arab Muslim exclusion of Judaic people in areas under Arab Muslim influence

Nonsense, before the Mandate could be assigned to Palestine there had to be a Palestine.

Yikes.

I don't normally respond to your posts for a reason but this one is just too funny not to respond to.

Before the mandate there were three provinces of Ottoman Southern Syria.

Gaza, Acre and Tripoli

Prior to that the area was referred to as

In Byzantine Times it was just Syria

The term palaestina only shows up rarely in history.

The mandate for palestine woudl have been more accurately termed the mandate for southern syria.

But no nation or state or country of Palestine is shown on any of those maps. All you can see is the area of the map that is called Palestine, just as areas in the US are called the badlands, death valley and the dust bowl. They have no borders and have never been a nation.


And if you look your video shows Jordan as part of Palestine as is parts of Syria, Saudi and Egypt. Do you want to tell them they are squatting on Palestinian land illegally ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel has a long standing terrorist propaganda campaign against Palestinians. It is a bunch of lies.

Palestinians aren't really shooting rockets at Israel and stabbing them in the streets?

"At Israel" is an interesting term considering the is no border there.

So that means that Palestine does not have a border either, so they will have to negotiate one.

This still means that the Palestinians are guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity by firing illegal weapons from their controlled land into Israel's controlled land. This is contrary to the UN charter and they are guilty of unprecedented attacks on another sovereign nation of the UN.

Palestine has borders. They don't need to negotiate anything.

Have they, then you will have no problem producing the link that shows these borders of the nation of Palestine. This means the LoN mandate borders do not count as they clearly say that it is for the mandate and not the nation. The only one I can find is the one from 1988 that says from the river to the sea and from north to south without defining which river, which sea and how far north or south they are prepared to go.


The Borders of Israel are not set in stone until the arab muslims agree to meet and negotiate mutual borders, 2 down so far with 2 or 3 to go......................

You read too much Israeli propaganda.

The Mandate was not a place. It was a temporarily appointed administration. It had no land or borders of its own.

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine,

Text of the British Mandate for Palestine | Jewish Virtual Library​

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You bring this up periodically, as it it is some revelation. A disreputable attempt to shift the credibility of someone. (You and everyone esle here knows what the intended meaning was.

Palestinians aren't really shooting rockets at Israel and stabbing them in the streets?

"At Israel" is an interesting term considering the is no border there.

So that means that Palestine does not have a border either, so they will have to negotiate one.
This still means that the Palestinians are guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity by firing illegal weapons from their controlled land into Israel's controlled land. This is contrary to the UN charter and they are guilty of unprecedented attacks on another sovereign nation of the UN.

Palestine has borders. They don't need to negotiate anything.

Have they, then you will have no problem producing the link that shows these borders of the nation of Palestine. This means the LoN mandate borders do not count as they clearly say that it is for the mandate and not the nation. The only one I can find is the one from 1988 that says from the river to the sea and from north to south without defining which river, which sea and how far north or south they are prepared to go.
The Borders of Israel are not set in stone until the arab muslims agree to meet and negotiate mutual borders, 2 down so far with 2 or 3 to go......................

You read too much Israeli propaganda.
The Mandate was not a place. It was a temporarily appointed administration. It had no land or borders of its own.

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine,

Text of the British Mandate for Palestine | Jewish Virtual Library​

(REFERENCE)

Palestine Order in Council 10 August 1922
PART I.

PRELIMINARY.

Title. 1. This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.
​

As of mid-night 14/15 May 1948, the Mandate Authority ("Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate") was lifted and the Successor Government was designated (27 February 1948) as the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC) (After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine.).

(COMMENT)

It appears to me that your are just trying to twist the words (and the intent) by using the a technique of misdirection. It is not necessary that you do this. As long as everyone understands that Palestine was a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. That Palestine was once a territory administered under mandate (AKA: former Mandate Territory).

Actually, today, the State of Palestine has no borders at all.

The West Bank is encapsulated by the Israeli-Jordanian Treaty boundary; and the Gaza Strip is encapsulated by the Israeli-Egyptian Treaty boundary. Neither Treaty hold any prejudice (without any loss or waiver of rights, afforded any people) towards the people called Palestinians. The Palestinians cannot use the boundary of the former (territory to which the) Mandate (applied).

The "Blue Line" has no bearing on today's Palestinians. S/RES/1701 (2006) reiterates its strong support, as recalled in all its previous relevant resolutions, for the territorial integrity, sovereignty and political independence of Lebanon within its internationally recognized borders, as contemplated by the Israeli-Lebanese General Armistice Agreement of 23 March 1949.

The "Green Line" was dissolved by Treaties. The UN Security Council Resolution 1559: End of Syrian Occupation of Lebanon, Disarmament of Militias, 2 September 2004, resolved that occupation.
The UN Security Council Resolution 1680: Delineation of Syrian-Lebanese Border, Disarmament of Hezbollah and other Militias, 17 May 2006 was, for the time being, resolved.

There has been all sorts of Diplomatic and political activity --- relative to the Borders to the countries adjacent to the Jewish State of Israel; but "nothing" involving the Hostile Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You bring this up periodically, as it it is some revelation. A disreputable attempt to shift the credibility of someone. (You and everyone esle here knows what the intended meaning was.

"At Israel" is an interesting term considering the is no border there.

So that means that Palestine does not have a border either, so they will have to negotiate one.
This still means that the Palestinians are guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity by firing illegal weapons from their controlled land into Israel's controlled land. This is contrary to the UN charter and they are guilty of unprecedented attacks on another sovereign nation of the UN.

Palestine has borders. They don't need to negotiate anything.

Have they, then you will have no problem producing the link that shows these borders of the nation of Palestine. This means the LoN mandate borders do not count as they clearly say that it is for the mandate and not the nation. The only one I can find is the one from 1988 that says from the river to the sea and from north to south without defining which river, which sea and how far north or south they are prepared to go.
The Borders of Israel are not set in stone until the arab muslims agree to meet and negotiate mutual borders, 2 down so far with 2 or 3 to go......................

You read too much Israeli propaganda.
The Mandate was not a place. It was a temporarily appointed administration. It had no land or borders of its own.

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine,

Text of the British Mandate for Palestine | Jewish Virtual Library​

(REFERENCE)

Palestine Order in Council 10 August 1922
PART I.

PRELIMINARY.

Title. 1. This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.
​

As of mid-night 14/15 May 1948, the Mandate Authority ("Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate") was lifted and the Successor Government was designated (27 February 1948) as the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC) (After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine.).

(COMMENT)

It appears to me that your are just trying to twist the words (and the intent) by using the a technique of misdirection. It is not necessary that you do this. As long as everyone understands that Palestine was a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. That Palestine was once a territory administered under mandate (AKA: former Mandate Territory).

Actually, today, the State of Palestine has no borders at all.

The West Bank is encapsulated by the Israeli-Jordanian Treaty boundary; and the Gaza Strip is encapsulated by the Israeli-Egyptian Treaty boundary. Neither Treaty hold any prejudice (without any loss or waiver of rights, afforded any people) towards the people called Palestinians. The Palestinians cannot use the boundary of the former (territory to which the) Mandate (applied).

The "Blue Line" has no bearing on today's Palestinians. S/RES/1701 (2006) reiterates its strong support, as recalled in all its previous relevant resolutions, for the territorial integrity, sovereignty and political independence of Lebanon within its internationally recognized borders, as contemplated by the Israeli-Lebanese General Armistice Agreement of 23 March 1949.

The "Green Line" was dissolved by Treaties. The UN Security Council Resolution 1559: End of Syrian Occupation of Lebanon, Disarmament of Militias, 2 September 2004, resolved that occupation.
The UN Security Council Resolution 1680: Delineation of Syrian-Lebanese Border, Disarmament of Hezbollah and other Militias, 17 May 2006 was, for the time being, resolved.

There has been all sorts of Diplomatic and political activity --- relative to the Borders to the countries adjacent to the Jewish State of Israel; but "nothing" involving the Hostile Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

Where is the part where the Palestinians ceded land?

 

[docmauser1]

Where is the part where the Palestinians ceded land?

Err, they haven't had any.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

That is an interesting question... A very interesting question!

P F Tinmore, et al,

You bring this up periodically, as it it is some revelation. A disreputable attempt to shift the credibility of someone. (You and everyone esle here knows what the intended meaning was.

So that means that Palestine does not have a border either, so they will have to negotiate one.
This still means that the Palestinians are guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity by firing illegal weapons from their controlled land into Israel's controlled land. This is contrary to the UN charter and they are guilty of unprecedented attacks on another sovereign nation of the UN.

Palestine has borders. They don't need to negotiate anything.

Have they, then you will have no problem producing the link that shows these borders of the nation of Palestine. This means the LoN mandate borders do not count as they clearly say that it is for the mandate and not the nation. The only one I can find is the one from 1988 that says from the river to the sea and from north to south without defining which river, which sea and how far north or south they are prepared to go.
The Borders of Israel are not set in stone until the arab muslims agree to meet and negotiate mutual borders, 2 down so far with 2 or 3 to go......................

You read too much Israeli propaganda.
The Mandate was not a place. It was a temporarily appointed administration. It had no land or borders of its own.

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine,

Text of the British Mandate for Palestine | Jewish Virtual Library​

(REFERENCE)

Palestine Order in Council 10 August 1922
PART I.

PRELIMINARY.

Title. 1. This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.
​

As of mid-night 14/15 May 1948, the Mandate Authority ("Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate") was lifted and the Successor Government was designated (27 February 1948) as the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC) (After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine.).

(COMMENT)

It appears to me that your are just trying to twist the words (and the intent) by using the a technique of misdirection. It is not necessary that you do this. As long as everyone understands that Palestine was a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. That Palestine was once a territory administered under mandate (AKA: former Mandate Territory).

Actually, today, the State of Palestine has no borders at all.

The West Bank is encapsulated by the Israeli-Jordanian Treaty boundary; and the Gaza Strip is encapsulated by the Israeli-Egyptian Treaty boundary. Neither Treaty hold any prejudice (without any loss or waiver of rights, afforded any people) towards the people called Palestinians. The Palestinians cannot use the boundary of the former (territory to which the) Mandate (applied).

The "Blue Line" has no bearing on today's Palestinians. S/RES/1701 (2006) reiterates its strong support, as recalled in all its previous relevant resolutions, for the territorial integrity, sovereignty and political independence of Lebanon within its internationally recognized borders, as contemplated by the Israeli-Lebanese General Armistice Agreement of 23 March 1949.

The "Green Line" was dissolved by Treaties. The UN Security Council Resolution 1559: End of Syrian Occupation of Lebanon, Disarmament of Militias, 2 September 2004, resolved that occupation.
The UN Security Council Resolution 1680: Delineation of Syrian-Lebanese Border, Disarmament of Hezbollah and other Militias, 17 May 2006 was, for the time being, resolved.

There has been all sorts of Diplomatic and political activity --- relative to the Borders to the countries adjacent to the Jewish State of Israel; but "nothing" involving the Hostile Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

Where is the part where the Palestinians ceded land?

(COMMENT)

Just when did the Palestinians every have the effective control or sovereignty over any territory, that they had the ability to change the status of the land?

I say that the Palestinians NEVER had effective control or sovereign control of any territory prior to 1988. And even then, it is a question as to whether they have sovereign control over anything now. They (the Palestinians) keep claiming that they are occupied territory. By definition, if the territory is occupied, then they do not effectively control and territory or have sovereignty over ayn land.

ANSWER: Never! The Palestinians never had any territory. The Arab Palestinians had no authority or dominion over any territory.

The Jewish State of Israel exercised self-determination, having completed the UN Recommended Steps Preparatory to Independence, and in coordination with the successor government (UNPC) made the appropriate declaration by the required provisional government.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

That is an interesting question... A very interesting question!

P F Tinmore, et al,

You bring this up periodically, as it it is some revelation. A disreputable attempt to shift the credibility of someone. (You and everyone esle here knows what the intended meaning was.

Palestine has borders. They don't need to negotiate anything.

Have they, then you will have no problem producing the link that shows these borders of the nation of Palestine. This means the LoN mandate borders do not count as they clearly say that it is for the mandate and not the nation. The only one I can find is the one from 1988 that says from the river to the sea and from north to south without defining which river, which sea and how far north or south they are prepared to go.
The Borders of Israel are not set in stone until the arab muslims agree to meet and negotiate mutual borders, 2 down so far with 2 or 3 to go......................

You read too much Israeli propaganda.
The Mandate was not a place. It was a temporarily appointed administration. It had no land or borders of its own.

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine,

Text of the British Mandate for Palestine | Jewish Virtual Library​

(REFERENCE)

Palestine Order in Council 10 August 1922
PART I.

PRELIMINARY.

Title. 1. This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.
​

As of mid-night 14/15 May 1948, the Mandate Authority ("Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate") was lifted and the Successor Government was designated (27 February 1948) as the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC) (After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine.).

(COMMENT)

It appears to me that your are just trying to twist the words (and the intent) by using the a technique of misdirection. It is not necessary that you do this. As long as everyone understands that Palestine was a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. That Palestine was once a territory administered under mandate (AKA: former Mandate Territory).

Actually, today, the State of Palestine has no borders at all.

The West Bank is encapsulated by the Israeli-Jordanian Treaty boundary; and the Gaza Strip is encapsulated by the Israeli-Egyptian Treaty boundary. Neither Treaty hold any prejudice (without any loss or waiver of rights, afforded any people) towards the people called Palestinians. The Palestinians cannot use the boundary of the former (territory to which the) Mandate (applied).

The "Blue Line" has no bearing on today's Palestinians. S/RES/1701 (2006) reiterates its strong support, as recalled in all its previous relevant resolutions, for the territorial integrity, sovereignty and political independence of Lebanon within its internationally recognized borders, as contemplated by the Israeli-Lebanese General Armistice Agreement of 23 March 1949.

The "Green Line" was dissolved by Treaties. The UN Security Council Resolution 1559: End of Syrian Occupation of Lebanon, Disarmament of Militias, 2 September 2004, resolved that occupation.
The UN Security Council Resolution 1680: Delineation of Syrian-Lebanese Border, Disarmament of Hezbollah and other Militias, 17 May 2006 was, for the time being, resolved.

There has been all sorts of Diplomatic and political activity --- relative to the Borders to the countries adjacent to the Jewish State of Israel; but "nothing" involving the Hostile Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

Where is the part where the Palestinians ceded land?

(COMMENT)

Just when did the Palestinians every have the effective control or sovereignty over any territory, that they had the ability to change the status of the land?

I say that the Palestinians NEVER had effective control or sovereign control of any territory prior to 1988. And even then, it is a question as to whether they have sovereign control over anything now. They (the Palestinians) keep claiming that they are occupied territory. By definition, if the territory is occupied, then they do not effectively control and territory or have sovereignty over ayn land.

ANSWER: Never! The Palestinians never had any territory. The Arab Palestinians had no authority or dominion over any territory.

The Jewish State of Israel exercised self-determination, having completed the UN Recommended Steps Preparatory to Independence, and in coordination with the successor government (UNPC) made the appropriate declaration by the required provisional government.

Most Respectfully,
R

Just when did the Palestinians every have the effective control or sovereignty over any territory, that they had the ability to change the status of the land?

Are you still pimping Israeli propaganda? You know that effective control is not the criterion for rights.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/declaration.shtml

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, et al,

That is an interesting question... A very interesting question!

P F Tinmore, et al,

You bring this up periodically, as it it is some revelation. A disreputable attempt to shift the credibility of someone. (You and everyone esle here knows what the intended meaning was.

Have they, then you will have no problem producing the link that shows these borders of the nation of Palestine. This means the LoN mandate borders do not count as they clearly say that it is for the mandate and not the nation. The only one I can find is the one from 1988 that says from the river to the sea and from north to south without defining which river, which sea and how far north or south they are prepared to go.
The Borders of Israel are not set in stone until the arab muslims agree to meet and negotiate mutual borders, 2 down so far with 2 or 3 to go......................

You read too much Israeli propaganda.
The Mandate was not a place. It was a temporarily appointed administration. It had no land or borders of its own.

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine,

Text of the British Mandate for Palestine | Jewish Virtual Library​

(REFERENCE)

Palestine Order in Council 10 August 1922
PART I.

PRELIMINARY.

Title. 1. This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.
​

As of mid-night 14/15 May 1948, the Mandate Authority ("Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate") was lifted and the Successor Government was designated (27 February 1948) as the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC) (After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine.).

(COMMENT)

It appears to me that your are just trying to twist the words (and the intent) by using the a technique of misdirection. It is not necessary that you do this. As long as everyone understands that Palestine was a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. That Palestine was once a territory administered under mandate (AKA: former Mandate Territory).

Actually, today, the State of Palestine has no borders at all.

The West Bank is encapsulated by the Israeli-Jordanian Treaty boundary; and the Gaza Strip is encapsulated by the Israeli-Egyptian Treaty boundary. Neither Treaty hold any prejudice (without any loss or waiver of rights, afforded any people) towards the people called Palestinians. The Palestinians cannot use the boundary of the former (territory to which the) Mandate (applied).

The "Blue Line" has no bearing on today's Palestinians. S/RES/1701 (2006) reiterates its strong support, as recalled in all its previous relevant resolutions, for the territorial integrity, sovereignty and political independence of Lebanon within its internationally recognized borders, as contemplated by the Israeli-Lebanese General Armistice Agreement of 23 March 1949.

The "Green Line" was dissolved by Treaties. The UN Security Council Resolution 1559: End of Syrian Occupation of Lebanon, Disarmament of Militias, 2 September 2004, resolved that occupation.
The UN Security Council Resolution 1680: Delineation of Syrian-Lebanese Border, Disarmament of Hezbollah and other Militias, 17 May 2006 was, for the time being, resolved.

There has been all sorts of Diplomatic and political activity --- relative to the Borders to the countries adjacent to the Jewish State of Israel; but "nothing" involving the Hostile Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

Where is the part where the Palestinians ceded land?

(COMMENT)

Just when did the Palestinians every have the effective control or sovereignty over any territory, that they had the ability to change the status of the land?

I say that the Palestinians NEVER had effective control or sovereign control of any territory prior to 1988. And even then, it is a question as to whether they have sovereign control over anything now. They (the Palestinians) keep claiming that they are occupied territory. By definition, if the territory is occupied, then they do not effectively control and territory or have sovereignty over ayn land.

ANSWER: Never! The Palestinians never had any territory. The Arab Palestinians had no authority or dominion over any territory.

The Jewish State of Israel exercised self-determination, having completed the UN Recommended Steps Preparatory to Independence, and in coordination with the successor government (UNPC) made the appropriate declaration by the required provisional government.

Most Respectfully,
R

Just when did the Palestinians every have the effective control or sovereignty over any territory, that they had the ability to change the status of the land?

Are you still pimping Israeli propaganda? You know that effective control is not the criterion for rights.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

Not at all surprising. Your frantic cutting and pasting is an unworkable exercise.

The response to your smoke screen is addressed with the simple declarative in Rocco's comment above following his bolded ANSWER:

 

[Phoenall]

Palestinians aren't really shooting rockets at Israel and stabbing them in the streets?

"At Israel" is an interesting term considering the is no border there.

So that means that Palestine does not have a border either, so they will have to negotiate one.

This still means that the Palestinians are guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity by firing illegal weapons from their controlled land into Israel's controlled land. This is contrary to the UN charter and they are guilty of unprecedented attacks on another sovereign nation of the UN.

Palestine has borders. They don't need to negotiate anything.

Have they, then you will have no problem producing the link that shows these borders of the nation of Palestine. This means the LoN mandate borders do not count as they clearly say that it is for the mandate and not the nation. The only one I can find is the one from 1988 that says from the river to the sea and from north to south without defining which river, which sea and how far north or south they are prepared to go.


The Borders of Israel are not set in stone until the arab muslims agree to meet and negotiate mutual borders, 2 down so far with 2 or 3 to go......................

You read too much Israeli propaganda.

The Mandate was not a place. It was a temporarily appointed administration. It had no land or borders of its own.

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine,

Text of the British Mandate for Palestine | Jewish Virtual Library​

Again you confuse the Mandate of Palestine with the British mandate, Try reading about the LoN treaty that put in place the British mandate. The British mandate is what was the temporarily appointed administration, not the actual mandate of palestine itself. And if you read the LoN mandate of Palestine it delineates the borders of the two palestines for the purpose of International relations.

So according to the highest authority extant in 1917 till the UN was formed the mandate of Palestine was a physical place administered by the British mandatory government who issued currency, postage stamps, passports and citizenship.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Help me out here. When did General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 come into force as International Law?

Help me out here. When did anything in the Middle East become a Non-Self-Governing Territory (NSGT).

P F Tinmore, et al,

That is an interesting question... A very interesting question!

P F Tinmore, et al,

You bring this up periodically, as it it is some revelation. A disreputable attempt to shift the credibility of someone. (You and everyone esle here knows what the intended meaning was.

Have they, then you will have no problem producing the link that shows these borders of the nation of Palestine. This means the LoN mandate borders do not count as they clearly say that it is for the mandate and not the nation. The only one I can find is the one from 1988 that says from the river to the sea and from north to south without defining which river, which sea and how far north or south they are prepared to go.
The Borders of Israel are not set in stone until the arab muslims agree to meet and negotiate mutual borders, 2 down so far with 2 or 3 to go......................

You read too much Israeli propaganda.
The Mandate was not a place. It was a temporarily appointed administration. It had no land or borders of its own.

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine,

Text of the British Mandate for Palestine | Jewish Virtual Library​

(REFERENCE)

Palestine Order in Council 10 August 1922
PART I.

PRELIMINARY.

Title. 1. This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.
​

As of mid-night 14/15 May 1948, the Mandate Authority ("Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate") was lifted and the Successor Government was designated (27 February 1948) as the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC) (After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine.).

(COMMENT)

It appears to me that your are just trying to twist the words (and the intent) by using the a technique of misdirection. It is not necessary that you do this. As long as everyone understands that Palestine was a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. That Palestine was once a territory administered under mandate (AKA: former Mandate Territory).

Actually, today, the State of Palestine has no borders at all.

The West Bank is encapsulated by the Israeli-Jordanian Treaty boundary; and the Gaza Strip is encapsulated by the Israeli-Egyptian Treaty boundary. Neither Treaty hold any prejudice (without any loss or waiver of rights, afforded any people) towards the people called Palestinians. The Palestinians cannot use the boundary of the former (territory to which the) Mandate (applied).

The "Blue Line" has no bearing on today's Palestinians. S/RES/1701 (2006) reiterates its strong support, as recalled in all its previous relevant resolutions, for the territorial integrity, sovereignty and political independence of Lebanon within its internationally recognized borders, as contemplated by the Israeli-Lebanese General Armistice Agreement of 23 March 1949.

The "Green Line" was dissolved by Treaties. The UN Security Council Resolution 1559: End of Syrian Occupation of Lebanon, Disarmament of Militias, 2 September 2004, resolved that occupation.
The UN Security Council Resolution 1680: Delineation of Syrian-Lebanese Border, Disarmament of Hezbollah and other Militias, 17 May 2006 was, for the time being, resolved.

There has been all sorts of Diplomatic and political activity --- relative to the Borders to the countries adjacent to the Jewish State of Israel; but "nothing" involving the Hostile Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

Where is the part where the Palestinians ceded land?

(COMMENT)

Just when did the Palestinians every have the effective control or sovereignty over any territory, that they had the ability to change the status of the land?

I say that the Palestinians NEVER had effective control or sovereign control of any territory prior to 1988. And even then, it is a question as to whether they have sovereign control over anything now. They (the Palestinians) keep claiming that they are occupied territory. By definition, if the territory is occupied, then they do not effectively control and territory or have sovereignty over ayn land.

ANSWER: Never! The Palestinians never had any territory. The Arab Palestinians had no authority or dominion over any territory.

The Jewish State of Israel exercised self-determination, having completed the UN Recommended Steps Preparatory to Independence, and in coordination with the successor government (UNPC) made the appropriate declaration by the required provisional government.

Most Respectfully,
R

Just when did the Palestinians every have the effective control or sovereignty over any territory, that they had the ability to change the status of the land?

Are you still pimping Israeli propaganda? You know that effective control is not the criterion for rights.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

(REFERENCE)

Committee of 24 (Special Committee on Decolonization)

The Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence of Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the United Nations entity exclusively devoted to the issue of decolonization, was established in 1961 by the General Assembly with the purpose of monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960).

The Special Committee annually reviews the list of Territories to which the Declaration is applicable and makes recommendations as to its implementation. It also hears statements from NSGTs representatives, dispatches visiting missions, and organizes seminars on the political, social and economic situation in the Territories. Further, the Special Committee annually makes recommendations concerning the dissemination of information to mobilize public opinion in support of the decolonization process, and observes the Week of Solidarity with the Peoples of Non-Self-Governing Territories.
​

(COMMENT)

There is no NSGT anywhere in the Middle East. Not only is the GA/RES/1514 (XV) NOT LAW, but even if it was, there is no applicable territory (relative to the Palestinians) for which this non-binding Resolution applies.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

That is an interesting question... A very interesting question!

P F Tinmore, et al,

You bring this up periodically, as it it is some revelation. A disreputable attempt to shift the credibility of someone. (You and everyone esle here knows what the intended meaning was.

Have they, then you will have no problem producing the link that shows these borders of the nation of Palestine. This means the LoN mandate borders do not count as they clearly say that it is for the mandate and not the nation. The only one I can find is the one from 1988 that says from the river to the sea and from north to south without defining which river, which sea and how far north or south they are prepared to go.
The Borders of Israel are not set in stone until the arab muslims agree to meet and negotiate mutual borders, 2 down so far with 2 or 3 to go......................

You read too much Israeli propaganda.
The Mandate was not a place. It was a temporarily appointed administration. It had no land or borders of its own.

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine,

Text of the British Mandate for Palestine | Jewish Virtual Library​

(REFERENCE)

Palestine Order in Council 10 August 1922
PART I.

PRELIMINARY.

Title. 1. This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.
​

As of mid-night 14/15 May 1948, the Mandate Authority ("Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate") was lifted and the Successor Government was designated (27 February 1948) as the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC) (After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine.).

(COMMENT)

It appears to me that your are just trying to twist the words (and the intent) by using the a technique of misdirection. It is not necessary that you do this. As long as everyone understands that Palestine was a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. That Palestine was once a territory administered under mandate (AKA: former Mandate Territory).

Actually, today, the State of Palestine has no borders at all.

The West Bank is encapsulated by the Israeli-Jordanian Treaty boundary; and the Gaza Strip is encapsulated by the Israeli-Egyptian Treaty boundary. Neither Treaty hold any prejudice (without any loss or waiver of rights, afforded any people) towards the people called Palestinians. The Palestinians cannot use the boundary of the former (territory to which the) Mandate (applied).

The "Blue Line" has no bearing on today's Palestinians. S/RES/1701 (2006) reiterates its strong support, as recalled in all its previous relevant resolutions, for the territorial integrity, sovereignty and political independence of Lebanon within its internationally recognized borders, as contemplated by the Israeli-Lebanese General Armistice Agreement of 23 March 1949.

The "Green Line" was dissolved by Treaties. The UN Security Council Resolution 1559: End of Syrian Occupation of Lebanon, Disarmament of Militias, 2 September 2004, resolved that occupation.
The UN Security Council Resolution 1680: Delineation of Syrian-Lebanese Border, Disarmament of Hezbollah and other Militias, 17 May 2006 was, for the time being, resolved.

There has been all sorts of Diplomatic and political activity --- relative to the Borders to the countries adjacent to the Jewish State of Israel; but "nothing" involving the Hostile Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

Where is the part where the Palestinians ceded land?

(COMMENT)

Just when did the Palestinians every have the effective control or sovereignty over any territory, that they had the ability to change the status of the land?

I say that the Palestinians NEVER had effective control or sovereign control of any territory prior to 1988. And even then, it is a question as to whether they have sovereign control over anything now. They (the Palestinians) keep claiming that they are occupied territory. By definition, if the territory is occupied, then they do not effectively control and territory or have sovereignty over ayn land.

ANSWER: Never! The Palestinians never had any territory. The Arab Palestinians had no authority or dominion over any territory.

The Jewish State of Israel exercised self-determination, having completed the UN Recommended Steps Preparatory to Independence, and in coordination with the successor government (UNPC) made the appropriate declaration by the required provisional government.

Most Respectfully,
R

Just when did the Palestinians every have the effective control or sovereignty over any territory, that they had the ability to change the status of the land?

Are you still pimping Israeli propaganda? You know that effective control is not the criterion for rights.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

They never had the gonads to take the small step required to take control of any territory, they just relied on others to govern them and pay the way for them.


Your cut and paste is deflection and irrelevance as it was not a colony in 1960 but part of Jordan and Egypt by mutual acceptance. Want to try again with another irrelevant and off topic treaty that has no legal standing ?


You make it sound like the Palestinians have been stopped from declaring determination and a state when the reality is they are afraid to do so as it will mean the loss of $1.1 billion in UN aid

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You bring this up periodically, as it it is some revelation. A disreputable attempt to shift the credibility of someone. (You and everyone esle here knows what the intended meaning was.

So that means that Palestine does not have a border either, so they will have to negotiate one.
This still means that the Palestinians are guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity by firing illegal weapons from their controlled land into Israel's controlled land. This is contrary to the UN charter and they are guilty of unprecedented attacks on another sovereign nation of the UN.

Palestine has borders. They don't need to negotiate anything.

Have they, then you will have no problem producing the link that shows these borders of the nation of Palestine. This means the LoN mandate borders do not count as they clearly say that it is for the mandate and not the nation. The only one I can find is the one from 1988 that says from the river to the sea and from north to south without defining which river, which sea and how far north or south they are prepared to go.
The Borders of Israel are not set in stone until the arab muslims agree to meet and negotiate mutual borders, 2 down so far with 2 or 3 to go......................

You read too much Israeli propaganda.
The Mandate was not a place. It was a temporarily appointed administration. It had no land or borders of its own.

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine,

Text of the British Mandate for Palestine | Jewish Virtual Library​

(REFERENCE)

Palestine Order in Council 10 August 1922
PART I.

PRELIMINARY.

Title. 1. This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.
​

As of mid-night 14/15 May 1948, the Mandate Authority ("Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate") was lifted and the Successor Government was designated (27 February 1948) as the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC) (After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine.).

(COMMENT)

It appears to me that your are just trying to twist the words (and the intent) by using the a technique of misdirection. It is not necessary that you do this. As long as everyone understands that Palestine was a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. That Palestine was once a territory administered under mandate (AKA: former Mandate Territory).

Actually, today, the State of Palestine has no borders at all.

The West Bank is encapsulated by the Israeli-Jordanian Treaty boundary; and the Gaza Strip is encapsulated by the Israeli-Egyptian Treaty boundary. Neither Treaty hold any prejudice (without any loss or waiver of rights, afforded any people) towards the people called Palestinians. The Palestinians cannot use the boundary of the former (territory to which the) Mandate (applied).

The "Blue Line" has no bearing on today's Palestinians. S/RES/1701 (2006) reiterates its strong support, as recalled in all its previous relevant resolutions, for the territorial integrity, sovereignty and political independence of Lebanon within its internationally recognized borders, as contemplated by the Israeli-Lebanese General Armistice Agreement of 23 March 1949.

The "Green Line" was dissolved by Treaties. The UN Security Council Resolution 1559: End of Syrian Occupation of Lebanon, Disarmament of Militias, 2 September 2004, resolved that occupation.
The UN Security Council Resolution 1680: Delineation of Syrian-Lebanese Border, Disarmament of Hezbollah and other Militias, 17 May 2006 was, for the time being, resolved.

There has been all sorts of Diplomatic and political activity --- relative to the Borders to the countries adjacent to the Jewish State of Israel; but "nothing" involving the Hostile Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

Where is the part where the Palestinians ceded land?

They could not cede any land as they had none to cede legally, the nation of Palestine did not exist until 1988 and then in name only

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Help me out here. When did General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 come into force as International Law?

Help me out here. When did anything in the Middle East become a Non-Self-Governing Territory (NSGT).

P F Tinmore, et al,

That is an interesting question... A very interesting question!

P F Tinmore, et al,

You bring this up periodically, as it it is some revelation. A disreputable attempt to shift the credibility of someone. (You and everyone esle here knows what the intended meaning was.

You read too much Israeli propaganda.
The Mandate was not a place. It was a temporarily appointed administration. It had no land or borders of its own.

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine,

Text of the British Mandate for Palestine | Jewish Virtual Library​

(REFERENCE)

Palestine Order in Council 10 August 1922
PART I.

PRELIMINARY.

Title. 1. This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.
​

As of mid-night 14/15 May 1948, the Mandate Authority ("Legal Meaning of the Termination of the Mandate") was lifted and the Successor Government was designated (27 February 1948) as the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC) (After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine.).

(COMMENT)

It appears to me that your are just trying to twist the words (and the intent) by using the a technique of misdirection. It is not necessary that you do this. As long as everyone understands that Palestine was a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. That Palestine was once a territory administered under mandate (AKA: former Mandate Territory).

Actually, today, the State of Palestine has no borders at all.

The West Bank is encapsulated by the Israeli-Jordanian Treaty boundary; and the Gaza Strip is encapsulated by the Israeli-Egyptian Treaty boundary. Neither Treaty hold any prejudice (without any loss or waiver of rights, afforded any people) towards the people called Palestinians. The Palestinians cannot use the boundary of the former (territory to which the) Mandate (applied).

The "Blue Line" has no bearing on today's Palestinians. S/RES/1701 (2006) reiterates its strong support, as recalled in all its previous relevant resolutions, for the territorial integrity, sovereignty and political independence of Lebanon within its internationally recognized borders, as contemplated by the Israeli-Lebanese General Armistice Agreement of 23 March 1949.

The "Green Line" was dissolved by Treaties. The UN Security Council Resolution 1559: End of Syrian Occupation of Lebanon, Disarmament of Militias, 2 September 2004, resolved that occupation.
The UN Security Council Resolution 1680: Delineation of Syrian-Lebanese Border, Disarmament of Hezbollah and other Militias, 17 May 2006 was, for the time being, resolved.

There has been all sorts of Diplomatic and political activity --- relative to the Borders to the countries adjacent to the Jewish State of Israel; but "nothing" involving the Hostile Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

Where is the part where the Palestinians ceded land?

(COMMENT)

Just when did the Palestinians every have the effective control or sovereignty over any territory, that they had the ability to change the status of the land?

I say that the Palestinians NEVER had effective control or sovereign control of any territory prior to 1988. And even then, it is a question as to whether they have sovereign control over anything now. They (the Palestinians) keep claiming that they are occupied territory. By definition, if the territory is occupied, then they do not effectively control and territory or have sovereignty over ayn land.

ANSWER: Never! The Palestinians never had any territory. The Arab Palestinians had no authority or dominion over any territory.

The Jewish State of Israel exercised self-determination, having completed the UN Recommended Steps Preparatory to Independence, and in coordination with the successor government (UNPC) made the appropriate declaration by the required provisional government.

Most Respectfully,
R

Just when did the Palestinians every have the effective control or sovereignty over any territory, that they had the ability to change the status of the land?

Are you still pimping Israeli propaganda? You know that effective control is not the criterion for rights.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

(REFERENCE)

Committee of 24 (Special Committee on Decolonization)

The Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence of Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the United Nations entity exclusively devoted to the issue of decolonization, was established in 1961 by the General Assembly with the purpose of monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960).

The Special Committee annually reviews the list of Territories to which the Declaration is applicable and makes recommendations as to its implementation. It also hears statements from NSGTs representatives, dispatches visiting missions, and organizes seminars on the political, social and economic situation in the Territories. Further, the Special Committee annually makes recommendations concerning the dissemination of information to mobilize public opinion in support of the decolonization process, and observes the Week of Solidarity with the Peoples of Non-Self-Governing Territories.
​

View attachment 66028​

(COMMENT)

There is no NSGT anywhere in the Middle East. Not only is the GA/RES/1514 (XV) NOT LAW, but even if it was, there is no applicable territory (relative to the Palestinians) for which this non-binding Resolution applies.

Most Respectfully,
R

This is not a comprehensive list of NSGTs. Tibet, Kashmir, Palestine, etc are not listed.