Wrong….crime is up because of a democrat mayor in Milwaukee…..undermining the police…..I posted the article, you saw it, now you pretend it doesn't exist….
Why was it going down like the rest of the country without concealed carry? Your claim has so many holes.
And yet now with bad police work it is going up…just like it is going up in all the cities that have attacked their own police forces….while it went down when more Americans started carrying guns.
Wrong….crime is up because of a democrat mayor in Milwaukee…..undermining the police…..I posted the article, you saw it, now you pretend it doesn't exist….
Why was it going down like the rest of the country without concealed carry? Your claim has so many holes.
No…..it is a big country. Crime in Wisconsin is going up because of their police policies, just like in Chicago and the other major cities. The rest of Wisconsin also has concealed carry, and they are not experiencing an uptick in crime…..allowing normal people to carry guns does not increase gun crime since normal people don't commit the crime. The criminals are already using guns….with or without gun control…the normal people will not break the law. Chicago and other democrats controlled cities, baltimore, D.C., Detroit……strict gun control and the crime rate through the roof…
Detroit…..pushing concealed carry and the crime rate is now finally going down…….Minnesota….just passed the 5% mark on concealed carry permits…crime rate has gone down…dittos Florida…...
I didn't say it effects crime rates. But like i said crime was going down in wi when they didn't have carry. You can't claim carry has brought down crime. Crime was going down long before the carry fad.
Nope…..studies show that concealed carry lowers the crime rate…I have posted links to those studies repeatedly, pretending that they don't exist doesn't change that fact, that truth or that reality.
And studies show it doesn't and studies show it increases crime. What we know is wi lowered crime without carry just like states with carry lowered crime. Carry does not effect crime rates.
No, actually, you lie by omission…one study said it increased crime, most say it reduced crime, another group of studies said it had no effect…
here are the actual studies….
Do Right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime? - Crime Prevention Research Center
A 2012 survey of the literature is
available here. Some of the research showing that concealed carry laws reduce violent crime is listed here.
Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns, John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies, 1997
The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy
available here)
The Concealed‐Handgun Debate, John R. Lott, Jr., Journal of Legal Studies, January 1998
Criminal Deterrence, Geographic Spillovers, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns by Stephen Bronars and John R. Lott, Jr., American Economic Review, May 1998
The Impact of Gun Laws on Police Deaths by David Mustard, published in the Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001
Privately Produced General Deterrence By BRUCE L. BENSON AND BRENT D. MAST, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001
Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001
Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness By CARLISLE E. MOODY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001
Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001
The Impact of Banning Juvenile Gun Possession By Thomas B. Marvell, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001
Safe-Storage Gun Laws: Accidental Deaths, Suicides, and Crime By JOHN R. LOTT, JR., AND JOHN E. WHITLEY, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001
Confirming More Guns, Less Crime by Florenz Plassmann and John Whitley, published in the Stanford Law Review, 2003
Measurement Error in County-Level UCR Data by John R. Lott, Jr. and John Whitley, published in the
Journal of Quantitative Criminology, June 2003, Volume 19, Issue 2, pp 185-198
Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime” by Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok, published in Advances in Economic Analysis and Policy, 4 (1): Article 1, 2004
Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement By John R. Lott, Jr. and William Landes, published in The Bias Against Guns
More Readers of Gun Magazines, But Not More Crimes by Florenz Plassmann and John R. Lott, Jr.
“More Guns, Less Crime” by John R Lott, Jr. (University of Chicago Press, 2010, 3rd edition).
“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody, Thomas B. Marvell, Paul R Zimmerman, and Fasil Alemante published in Review of Economics & Finance, 2014
“An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates” by Mark Giusa published in Applied Economics Letters, Volume 21, Issue 4, 2014
“The Debate on Shall-Issue Laws” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, volume 5, number 3, September 2008 It is also available here..
“The Debate on Shall Issue Laws, Continued” by Carlisle e. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 6, Number 2 May 2009
“Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang” by Carlisle e. Moody, John R Lott, Jr, and Thomas B. Marvell, published in Econ Journal Watch, Volume 10, Number 1, January 2013
“On the Choice of Control Variables in the Crime Equation” by Carlisle E. Moody and Thomas B. Marvell, Oxford Bulletin of Economics and Statistics, Volume 72, Issue 5, pages 696–715, October 2010.
More Guns, Less Crime: A Response to Ayres and Donohue’s 1999 book review in the American Law and Economics Review by John R. Lott, Jr.
Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime Revisited: Clustering, Measurement Error, and State-by-State Break downs by John R. Lott, Jr.
For the data errors in the one published paper by
Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang that claims to find a bad effect from right-to-carry laws on aggravated assaults
see this paper.
In addition, Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang have retracted their original claim that the my research could not be replicated. Their argument was that Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang could not replicate the replication work done by the National Research Council that had replicated my research.
In an Erratum note published in October 2012 they concede:
“Subsequent to the publication of this article, members of the NRC panel demonstrated to the authors that the results in question were replicable if the authors used the data and statistical models described in Chapter 6 of the NRC (2004) report.”
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Responding to the Washington Post's "More guns, less crime? Not exactly" - Crime Prevention Research Center
On July 31st, four academics wrote a letter to the Washington Post to correct their claims.
Dear Letters Editor:
Extensive research demonstrates that more guns mean less crime. But Emily Badger’s article cherry picks just two discussions (“More guns, less crime? Not exactly,” 7/29). If she had looked at the literature, she would have discovered that about two-thirds of peer-reviewed research by economists and criminologists find that right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime. And no one finds higher murder, rape or robbery from concealed handgun laws.
One study she cites by John Donohue and his two research assistants claim that permitted concealed handguns increase aggravated assaults. But besides the fact that he
has already acknowledged his paper accusing John Lott of circulating bad data made mistakes in estimating the results, there are three problems with his published empirical work.
First, significant data errors biased their results towards what they wanted to find. Among them, data for one county was accidentally repeated 73 times and some state laws changes were misidentified by up to a decade.
Second, the result was simply an artifact of fitting a straight line to data that followed a curved pattern.
Third, if Donohue is going to claim that permit holders are committing aggravated assaults, he needs to identify some cases. But a review of state permit revocation data shows permit holders lose their permits for any type of firearms related violation at hundredths or thousandths of one percentage point and virtually none involve violent crime.
Finally, in Badger’s reference to the 2005 Nation Research Council report, she fails to note that the panel couldn’t agree on any finding whatsoever, not just concealed carry. However, as James Q. Wilson pointed out, the Nation Research Council results consistently showed that right-to-carry laws reduced murder rates.
Sincerely,
Professor Lloyd Cohen
School of Law
George Mason University
3301 Fairfax Dr. Arlington, VA 22201
703-993-8048
lcohen2@gmu.edu
John R. Lott, Jr.
President
Crime Prevention Research Center
5401 Duxford Pl
Burke, VA 22015
http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org
(484) 802-5373
johnrlott@crimeresearch.org
Professor Carl Moody
Department of Economics
College of William & Mary
Williamsburg, VA 23187-8795
757-221-2373
cemood@wm.edu
Professor David Mustard
Department of Economics
University of Georgia
310 Herty Drive
Athens, GA 30602
706-542-3624
mustard@uga.edu
