as I have repeatedly said...this has never been about "one quote" ...it has been about an attempt, by this administration, to convince America that Saddam as an immediate threat to our safety, to tie AQ and Saddam together,and to further convince us that invading conquering and occupying Iraq was the ONLY way we could avoid anihilation...
You are the one obsessed with the us of phrase 'no doubt' ...any normal listener or reader would conclude that the speaker is voicing his or her own personal beliefs, and that still is the sanest way to look at it..it is you that insists on making what is common usage of words at big fuckin' production in order to manufacture you lie theorys
NONE of the democrats you listed who were speaking about the threat from Saddam prior to the Bush administration EVER advocated invasion, conquest and occupation as a means of dealing with that threat.
But since you like to try to debunk quotes: please continue with these:
No Dem used that particular word..thats right....
One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line. President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq
Now even you can understand the threats being made against Iraq in these passages....I don't remember Bush using the word 'invade' either, but thats what he did....so using the word is a red herring, showing your obsession with semantics and trying to redefine meanings to suit your irrational claims...but your game is tiresome...
"On August 26, 2002, in an address to the national convention of the Veteran of Foreign Wars, Cheney flatly declared: "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." In fact, former CIA Director George Tenet later recalled, Cheney's assertions went well beyond his agency's assessments at the time. Another CIA official, referring to the same speech, told journalist Ron Suskind, "Our reaction was, 'Where is he getting this stuff from?' "
plenty more here:
http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/
I await your analysis of the quotes. I hope you do not chose the low road and attempt to besmirch the source...but I would not be surprised.
I can't say where Cheney was "getting this stuff from".....
One guess might be here...
(A unanimous resolution holding Iraq in "material breach" of disarmament - there would no need to disarm them if you believed they didn't have the weapons in the first place...) Cheney's assertions went well beyond his agency's assessments? Then its obvious Cheney was conveying HIS beliefs and not the CIA "assertions"..what YOU might refer to a 'guesses'....
Cheney and Bush ARE allowed to state their personal beliefs from time to time....
UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTING RESOLUTION 1441 (2002)Aug. 11
Holding Iraq in material breach of its obligations under previous resolutions, the Security Council this morning decided to afford it a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations
The Council demanded that Iraq confirm, within seven days, its intention to comply fully with the resolution. It further decided that, within 30 days, Iraq, in order to begin to comply with its obligations, should provide to UNMOVIC, the IAEA and the Council a complete declaration of all aspects of its programmes to develop chemical, biological and nuclear weapons, including chemical, biological and nuclear programmes
Recognizing the threat Iraq's non-compliance with Council resolutions and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles poses to international peace and security,
Deploring the fact that Iraq has not provided an accurate, full, final, and complete disclosure, as required by resolution 687 (1991), of all aspects of its programmes to develop weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles with a range greater than one hundred and fifty kilometres, and of all holdings of such weapons, their components and production facilities and locations, as well as all other nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to nuclear-weapons-usable material,
3.Decides that, in order to begin to comply with its disarmament obligations, in addition to submitting the required biannual declarations, the Government of Iraq shall provide to UNMOVIC, the IAEA, and the Council, not later than 30 days from the date of this resolution, a currently accurate, full, and complete declaration of all aspects of its programmes to develop chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, and other delivery systems such as unmanned aerial vehicles and dispersal systems designed for use on aircraft, including any holdings and precise locations of such weapons, components, sub-components, stocks of agents, and related material and equipment, the locations and work of its research, development and production facilities, as well as all other chemical, biological, and nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to weapon production or material;
JEREMY GREENSTOCK (United Kingdom) said no shadow of a doubt remained that Iraq had defied the United Nations over the last 11 years. With the adoption of the resolution, the Council had clearly stated that the United Nations would no longer tolerate that defiance.
