Bus Companies Must Continue to Allow Searches

[Bush92]

Greyhound to stop allowing Border Patrol agents to conduct immigration checks on buses without warrant
Let's get real. Terrorist attack planning is all about coming from our southern border. OK Democrat's let them smuggle a nuke across our southern border and blow up a city. Bloods on your hands. Nuke device is size of a ******* grapefruit. Can come into our country in a gym bag and be left in a bus terminal. Idiots.

Anything coming from Fox News, and you as a matter of fact, in addition to this DJT WH, gets categorically counted as de tacto Trump LIES.

I forgot. You live in a strictly biased media/information bubble and echo chamber.

 

[Rigby5]

Greyhound to stop allowing Border Patrol agents to conduct immigration checks on buses without warrant
Let's get real. Terrorist attack planning is all about coming from our southern border. OK Democrat's let them smuggle a nuke across our southern border and blow up a city. Bloods on your hands. Nuke device is size of a ******* grapefruit. Can come into our country in a gym bag and be left in a bus terminal. Idiots.

I have mixed feelings about this.

• OTOH you can't just have a cadre of illegals or terrorists commandeer a bus in Mexico and drive it freely into our country with unknown intentions.

• But OTOH, are Border Agents really equipped to determine legal status and have sole power on a bus?

So I think both sides have a case. Greyhound bears some responsibility (perhaps working with local officials) to ask for and see SOME documentation which indicates legal rights to come into the country before boarding. Visa or some such paperwork. Then upon reaching the border, passengers must go through a checkpoint where they are officially screened. Those that have some question or lapse in documents then wait to go before a judge to have the matter decided. If they fail to meet minimum requirements, they are turned back.

The particulars are not at the border or even checkpoints.
The Border Patrol is currently doing the search of the bus in the Greyhound station, deep inside the US, but still within 100 miles of the border.

 

[Rigby5]

Greyhound to stop allowing Border Patrol agents to conduct immigration checks on buses without warrant
Let's get real. Terrorist attack planning is all about coming from our southern border. OK Democrat's let them smuggle a nuke across our southern border and blow up a city. Bloods on your hands. Nuke device is size of a ******* grapefruit. Can come into our country in a gym bag and be left in a bus terminal. Idiots.

Name the terrorist who crossed the southern border in a Greyhound bus

The one we don't know yet. Could anyone name the 9-11 hijackers until after the event had played out?

That is silly because no terrorist has ever crossed into the US on the southern border.
That is the furthest away and most watched.
The northern border is much easier, both from distance to the Mideast, and lack of security.

 

[BULLDOG]

Entering the country by bus requires the same customs inspections that entering by air requires.

Should be very stringent inspections or we face something worse than 9-11.

Yes, they should be stringent at any port of entry. That is not the same as stopping a vehicle after it's passengers have already cleared customs.

 

[Rigby5]

Greyhound to stop allowing Border Patrol agents to conduct immigration checks on buses without warrant
Let's get real. Terrorist attack planning is all about coming from our southern border. OK Democrat's let them smuggle a nuke across our southern border and blow up a city. Bloods on your hands. Nuke device is size of a ******* grapefruit. Can come into our country in a gym bag and be left in a bus terminal. Idiots.

A nuke device is the size of a ******* grapefruit? Please go somewhere and play with your private parts while the educated adults discuss the topic.

A grapefruit? You are a ******* moron!

Just a little bigger than a grapefruit.

The “Davy Crockett” was a portable 50-lb. nuclear weapon deployed to the U.S. Army in West Germany during the 1960s. It could be fired by a three-man team.​

Thanks Hoss,
This was back in the 1960's. Since then we have miniaturized even more and now nuclear devices can be measured in inches.

No, there is no nuclear device that is less than a foot, and weighs less than 400 pounds.
And only the US can even make them that small.
The rest of the world can't make them less than 5' and 1000 pounds.

But that is silly anyway.
The obvious way to sneak a nuclear device into the country is in a ship.
You could just crate it as agricultural equipment.
People sneak cars in that way all the time.

 

[Bush92]

Entering the country by bus requires the same customs inspections that entering by air requires.

Should be very stringent inspections or we face something worse than 9-11.

Yes, they should be stringent at any port of entry. That is not the same as stopping a vehicle after it's passengers have already cleared customs.

Criminal codes still must be enforced.

 

[Bush92]

Greyhound to stop allowing Border Patrol agents to conduct immigration checks on buses without warrant
Let's get real. Terrorist attack planning is all about coming from our southern border. OK Democrat's let them smuggle a nuke across our southern border and blow up a city. Bloods on your hands. Nuke device is size of a ******* grapefruit. Can come into our country in a gym bag and be left in a bus terminal. Idiots.

A nuke device is the size of a ******* grapefruit? Please go somewhere and play with your private parts while the educated adults discuss the topic.

A grapefruit? You are a ******* moron!

Just a little bigger than a grapefruit.

The “Davy Crockett” was a portable 50-lb. nuclear weapon deployed to the U.S. Army in West Germany during the 1960s. It could be fired by a three-man team.​

Thanks Hoss,
This was back in the 1960's. Since then we have miniaturized even more and now nuclear devices can be measured in inches.

No, there is no nuclear device that is less than a foot, and weighs less than 400 pounds.
And only the US can even make them that small.
The rest of the world can't make them less than 5' and 1000 pounds.

But that is silly anyway.
The obvious way to sneak a nuclear device into the country is in a ship.
You could just crate it as agricultural equipment.
People sneak cars in that way all the time.

Don't think so.
https://www.degruyter.com/downloadpdf/j/zna.2004.59.issue-6/zna-2004-0603/zna-2004-0603.pdf

 

[BULLDOG]

Entering the country by bus requires the same customs inspections that entering by air requires.

Should be very stringent inspections or we face something worse than 9-11.

Yes, they should be stringent at any port of entry. That is not the same as stopping a vehicle after it's passengers have already cleared customs.

Criminal codes still must be enforced.

Yes, The law is the law. That particular law is unfair and should be changed.

 

[Rigby5]

To quote the 4th Amendment ...

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

However, the warrant requirement of the 4th is not absolute. A number of exceptions to that requirement have been recognized by the courts, based upon such factors as whether it is reasonable under the circumstances for officers to obtain a warrant, and whether evidence might be lost or destroyed before a warrant can be obtained. One exception that has already been established by US courts is .... Border searches. The person or property of a person is searched when they attempt to enter the United States from a foreign nation or territory.

It's up to the courts to decide if buses traveling in proximity to the border present a probable cause to conduct a warrantless border search.

That sounds reasonable, but the courts have ruled that picking out only certain vehicles is discriminatory, and if you are going to check one that is just traveling parallel to the border, then you have to set up a checkpoint and check them all.
And that is not what the Border Patrol is doing.'
It is going to the Greyhound station to just check buses.
And that is illegal because it is not only without probable cause, but discriminatory.

 

[Rigby5]

Entering the country by bus requires the same customs inspections that entering by air requires.

Should be very stringent inspections or we face something worse than 9-11.

Yes, they should be stringent at any port of entry. That is not the same as stopping a vehicle after it's passengers have already cleared customs.

Criminal codes still must be enforced.

Yes, The law is the law. That particular law is unfair and should be changed.

The checking of buses at Greyhound stations is not supported by any law.

 

[Bush92]

Greyhound to stop allowing Border Patrol agents to conduct immigration checks on buses without warrant
Let's get real. Terrorist attack planning is all about coming from our southern border. OK Democrat's let them smuggle a nuke across our southern border and blow up a city. Bloods on your hands. Nuke device is size of a ******* grapefruit. Can come into our country in a gym bag and be left in a bus terminal. Idiots.

A nuke device is the size of a ******* grapefruit? Please go somewhere and play with your private parts while the educated adults discuss the topic.

A grapefruit? You are a ******* moron!

This is 1960's technology. Print a PDF copy. Roll it up...insert.
W54 Special Atomic Demolition Munition (SADM)
Hey...BTW...we put a man on the moon. You do know that don't you?

 

[Rigby5]

Greyhound to stop allowing Border Patrol agents to conduct immigration checks on buses without warrant
Let's get real. Terrorist attack planning is all about coming from our southern border. OK Democrat's let them smuggle a nuke across our southern border and blow up a city. Bloods on your hands. Nuke device is size of a ******* grapefruit. Can come into our country in a gym bag and be left in a bus terminal. Idiots.

A nuke device is the size of a ******* grapefruit? Please go somewhere and play with your private parts while the educated adults discuss the topic.

A grapefruit? You are a ******* moron!

Just a little bigger than a grapefruit.

The “Davy Crockett” was a portable 50-lb. nuclear weapon deployed to the U.S. Army in West Germany during the 1960s. It could be fired by a three-man team.​

Thanks Hoss,
This was back in the 1960's. Since then we have miniaturized even more and now nuclear devices can be measured in inches.

No, there is no nuclear device that is less than a foot, and weighs less than 400 pounds.
And only the US can even make them that small.
The rest of the world can't make them less than 5' and 1000 pounds.

But that is silly anyway.
The obvious way to sneak a nuclear device into the country is in a ship.
You could just crate it as agricultural equipment.
People sneak cars in that way all the time.

Don't think so.
https://www.degruyter.com/downloadpdf/j/zna.2004.59.issue-6/zna-2004-0603/zna-2004-0603.pdf

That is a paper theory only.
No one has ever made such a small nuclear device successfully.
And still the paper says it would require at least, "Estimates indicate that a few kg of high explosives are sufficient to ignite such a “mini-nuke".
That is several cubic feet of just the high explosive, so it is still not in inches most likely, once you add shielding, etc.

 

[BULLDOG]

Entering the country by bus requires the same customs inspections that entering by air requires.

Should be very stringent inspections or we face something worse than 9-11.

Yes, they should be stringent at any port of entry. That is not the same as stopping a vehicle after it's passengers have already cleared customs.

Criminal codes still must be enforced.

Yes, The law is the law. That particular law is unfair and should be changed.

The checking of buses at Greyhound stations is not supported by any law.

I agree, but I'm not an expert on the law. They have been justifying their actions some way. It should be made clear that whatever justification they claim is not valid. Whether that requires a change in the law, or just a clarification of existing law, the practice should be stopped.

 

[Bush92]

Greyhound to stop allowing Border Patrol agents to conduct immigration checks on buses without warrant
Let's get real. Terrorist attack planning is all about coming from our southern border. OK Democrat's let them smuggle a nuke across our southern border and blow up a city. Bloods on your hands. Nuke device is size of a ******* grapefruit. Can come into our country in a gym bag and be left in a bus terminal. Idiots.

Name the terrorist who crossed the southern border in a Greyhound bus

We should never let our guard down. Secure the border. Complete security.
Terror and the Mexico border: How big a threat?

 

[Rigby5]

Greyhound to stop allowing Border Patrol agents to conduct immigration checks on buses without warrant
Let's get real. Terrorist attack planning is all about coming from our southern border. OK Democrat's let them smuggle a nuke across our southern border and blow up a city. Bloods on your hands. Nuke device is size of a ******* grapefruit. Can come into our country in a gym bag and be left in a bus terminal. Idiots.

A nuke device is the size of a ******* grapefruit? Please go somewhere and play with your private parts while the educated adults discuss the topic.

A grapefruit? You are a ******* moron!

This is 1960's technology. Print a PDF copy. Roll it up...insert.
W54 Special Atomic Demolition Munition (SADM)
Hey...BTW...we put a man on the moon. You do know that don't you?

{...
The smallest ADM, known as the Special Atomic Demolition Munition (SADM), weighed approximately 150 pounds and used the 59-pound W-54 warhead. The Special Atomic Demolition Munition (SADM) was a Navy and Marines project that was demonstrated as feasible in the mid-to-late 1960s, but was never used.
...}

That is not the inches you are claiming.
And that is the US making the smallest in the world.
The rest of the world can't get nearly that small.

 

[Rigby5]

Should be very stringent inspections or we face something worse than 9-11.

Yes, they should be stringent at any port of entry. That is not the same as stopping a vehicle after it's passengers have already cleared customs.

Criminal codes still must be enforced.

Yes, The law is the law. That particular law is unfair and should be changed.

The checking of buses at Greyhound stations is not supported by any law.

I agree, but I'm not an expert on the law. They have been justifying their actions some way. It should be made clear that whatever justification they claim is not valid. Whether that requires a change in the law, or just a clarification of existing law, the practice should be stopped.

I am not sure, but I think the past routine was because Greyhound allowed it, and now is not going to anymore.
I do not think any law was ever involved, as Greyhound was volunteering.

 

[Rigby5]

Greyhound to stop allowing Border Patrol agents to conduct immigration checks on buses without warrant
Let's get real. Terrorist attack planning is all about coming from our southern border. OK Democrat's let them smuggle a nuke across our southern border and blow up a city. Bloods on your hands. Nuke device is size of a ******* grapefruit. Can come into our country in a gym bag and be left in a bus terminal. Idiots.

Name the terrorist who crossed the southern border in a Greyhound bus

We should never let our guard down. Secure the border. Complete security.
Terror and the Mexico border: How big a threat?

But only only has no one ever tried to smuggle any terrorist attack across the southern border, the easiest way to make a nuclear attack on the US would be by ship, in NYC harbor.
The southern border would be 10 times harder, and nearly impossible.

 

[Bush92]

Greyhound to stop allowing Border Patrol agents to conduct immigration checks on buses without warrant
Let's get real. Terrorist attack planning is all about coming from our southern border. OK Democrat's let them smuggle a nuke across our southern border and blow up a city. Bloods on your hands. Nuke device is size of a ******* grapefruit. Can come into our country in a gym bag and be left in a bus terminal. Idiots.

Name the terrorist who crossed the southern border in a Greyhound bus

We should never let our guard down. Secure the border. Complete security.
Terror and the Mexico border: How big a threat?

But only only has no one ever tried to smuggle any terrorist attack across the southern border, the easiest way to make a nuclear attack on the US would be by ship, in NYC harbor.
The southern border would be 10 times harder, and nearly impossible.

No it would not be hard. Our southern border is porous and poorly defended against terrorist attack.
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[Bush92]

Greyhound to stop allowing Border Patrol agents to conduct immigration checks on buses without warrant
Let's get real. Terrorist attack planning is all about coming from our southern border. OK Democrat's let them smuggle a nuke across our southern border and blow up a city. Bloods on your hands. Nuke device is size of a ******* grapefruit. Can come into our country in a gym bag and be left in a bus terminal. Idiots.

A nuke device is the size of a ******* grapefruit? Please go somewhere and play with your private parts while the educated adults discuss the topic.

A grapefruit? You are a ******* moron!

This is 1960's technology. Print a PDF copy. Roll it up...insert.
W54 Special Atomic Demolition Munition (SADM)
Hey...BTW...we put a man on the moon. You do know that don't you?

{...
The smallest ADM, known as the Special Atomic Demolition Munition (SADM), weighed approximately 150 pounds and used the 59-pound W-54 warhead. The Special Atomic Demolition Munition (SADM) was a Navy and Marines project that was demonstrated as feasible in the mid-to-late 1960s, but was never used.
...}

That is not the inches you are claiming.
And that is the US making the smallest in the world.
The rest of the world can't get nearly that small.

Total...with delivery system was 150 pounds. 59 pounds total for explosive device. My basic combat load as a Marine infantryman/machine gunner was slightly less than 100 pounds of gear. Again, you reference technology from 40 years ago.

 

[Bush92]

Greyhound to stop allowing Border Patrol agents to conduct immigration checks on buses without warrant
Let's get real. Terrorist attack planning is all about coming from our southern border. OK Democrat's let them smuggle a nuke across our southern border and blow up a city. Bloods on your hands. Nuke device is size of a ******* grapefruit. Can come into our country in a gym bag and be left in a bus terminal. Idiots.

Name the terrorist who crossed the southern border in a Greyhound bus

We should never let our guard down. Secure the border. Complete security.
Terror and the Mexico border: How big a threat?

But only only has no one ever tried to smuggle any terrorist attack across the southern border, the easiest way to make a nuclear attack on the US would be by ship, in NYC harbor.
The southern border would be 10 times harder, and nearly impossible.

Obtaining the material to produce a mini-nuke can be done.
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