Bundy: "I may be a welfare queen, but..."

[Statistikhengst]

CNN interviewed Cliven Bundy and the interviewer really kind of rubbed it in, noting that the only probable reason why Bundy took the CNN interview was because FOX is not calling anymore.

Two interesting exchanges:

Cliven Bundy defends comments ripped as racist: 'I think I'm right' - CNN.com

("I may be a welfare queen, but...")


Cliven Bundy: Fox News misunderstood me - CNN.com Video

("I think they (FOX) misunderstood me a little bit")

Dear Cliven:

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It’s amusing watching the likes of Hannity and Paul running away from Bundy as fast as they can; the stupidity of most on the partisan right is remarkable.

Politicians denounce Bundy?s racist remarks ? CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

 

[eagle1462010]

These comments are not the issue. Whether or not Bundy is really Racist is not the issue. It is about State's Rights versus Federal Rights, and why the Federal Gov't owns so much of Nevada and most of the Western States.

We understand the origins of the States, and how they were purchased or taken from Mexico. However, these battles to take the land or purchases to buy the land were paid by We The People. The Federal Gov't isn't a entity of itself. It is only a representative group of We The People. The Liberals talk as if the Federal Gov't is a person, and not a representative arm of the We The People, which is one of their major malfunctions.

We the People in the State of Nevada means the people residing there and not the Federal Gov't who owns over 81.1% of the land via CBO 2010 report. So the people there, and their State Legislature there can't use land in their own State without permission from the Feds. How is this representative of a Republic?

It's not, and that issue still remains..................

The left who loves the nanny state will use RACISM from the comments of Bundy to divert the issue away from a movement for States to take the land in their State away from the Feds. As if the Feds seize more land in Nevada they might as well desolve the dang State as there will be NOTHING LEFT OF IT for the State to own or regulate anyway.

 

[KNB]

Nevada sided with the US Federal government. Cliven Bundy lost in court. That's how all of this started. Stupid inbred drunk white trash Republican rednecks then drove from out of state without knowing what the real situation was and forced an armed standoff with Federal agents trying to enforce a court order in defense of a rich racist criminal who does not recognize the United States as existing.

Cliven Bundy failed and the right-wing Republican rednecks failed even more. Please, no more Cliven Bundy threads or Republican party.

 

[eagle1462010]

BTW. It is hypocritical of the Federal Gov't to say it wouldn't have been an issue there had he just paid the Grazing Fees.

As other ranchers in the same boat were denied Grazing rights in the same area. One of which pushed to Graze for 20 years without ever getting a permit. Died before they said Ok now.............

So the issue is deeper than the BLM will say. They denied others grazing rights there, but they were making an exception to Bundy?

I'll believe that when pigs fly?

Recapping the issues..................

Land taken to protect turtles that the Federal Gov't has killed.
Cows to be removed for the protection of the turtle, but the turtle eats cow dung.
Horses in violation of the law are not rounded up to comply with the law. aka Wild mustangs.
Bundy ordered to pay to Graze, yet denied others in the area Grazing permits.

The whole issue is a bunch of Cow Dung.

Now be a good liberal and call me a Racist..............That's what you guys are good at.

 

[eagle1462010]

Back to the history of the BLM.

Take the land, round up the horses and cows and put them pins and Starve them to death.

Where is the outrage from the left here and the abuses of the BLM in the past? As they the very land seized was then opened to strip mining for gold, and in the process used Cyanide in the process which has caused medical problems to those living there?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ2N9-n-ka0]Our Land, Our Life - YouTube[/ame]

 

[KNB]

Nevada was gained from Mexico with the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848.
The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo

The Bureau of Land Management was founded in 1946.
History of the BLM, Yesterday and Today, Bureau of Land Management California

Cliven Bundy lost in court several times over twenty years.

The trouble started when Bundy stopped paying grazing fees in 1993. He said he didn't have to because his Mormon ancestors worked the land since the 1880s, giving him rights to the land.
Nevada officials blast feds over treatment of cattle rancher Cliven Bundy | Fox News

So if Nevada became US territory gained from Mexico in 1848 and Cliven Bundy insists that his family has been there since the 1880s, then it is only logical that he owns the land, the US Federal government doesn't exist, and right-wing Republicans should draw guns against the United States of America to defend another stupid redneck who is terrible with math and facts.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

These comments are not the issue. Whether or not Bundy is really Racist is not the issue. It is about State's Rights versus Federal Rights, and why the Federal Gov't owns so much of Nevada and most of the Western States.

We understand the origins of the States, and how they were purchased or taken from Mexico. However, these battles to take the land or purchases to buy the land were paid by We The People. The Federal Gov't isn't a entity of itself. It is only a representative group of We The People. The Liberals talk as if the Federal Gov't is a person, and not a representative arm of the We The People, which is one of their major malfunctions.

We the People in the State of Nevada means the people residing there and not the Federal Gov't who owns over 81.1% of the land via CBO 2010 report. So the people there, and their State Legislature there can't use land in their own State without permission from the Feds. How is this representative of a Republic?

It's not, and that issue still remains..................

The left who loves the nanny state will use RACISM from the comments of Bundy to divert the issue away from a movement for States to take the land in their State away from the Feds. As if the Feds seize more land in Nevada they might as well desolve the dang State as there will be NOTHING LEFT OF IT for the State to own or regulate anyway.

Actually Bundy’s racism is very much the issue, as it represents the partisan right’s desperation to contrive a controversy where none exists for some perceived political gain, and how the right’s propensity to lie and distort the truth blew up in their collective face.

Otherwise, there is no ‘issue’ with regard to ‘states’ rights.’

Since the advent of the Republic it has been accepted and settled Constitutional jurisprudence that Federal laws, the rulings of Federal courts, and the Federal Constitution are supreme, where the states are subject to Federal law as intended by the Framers and codified by the Supremacy Clause.

 

[Statistikhengst]

These comments are not the issue. Whether or not Bundy is really Racist is not the issue. It is about State's Rights versus Federal Rights, and why the Federal Gov't owns so much of Nevada and most of the Western States.

We understand the origins of the States, and how they were purchased or taken from Mexico. However, these battles to take the land or purchases to buy the land were paid by We The People. The Federal Gov't isn't a entity of itself. It is only a representative group of We The People. The Liberals talk as if the Federal Gov't is a person, and not a representative arm of the We The People, which is one of their major malfunctions.

We the People in the State of Nevada means the people residing there and not the Federal Gov't who owns over 81.1% of the land via CBO 2010 report. So the people there, and their State Legislature there can't use land in their own State without permission from the Feds. How is this representative of a Republic?

It's not, and that issue still remains..................

The left who loves the nanny state will use RACISM from the comments of Bundy to divert the issue away from a movement for States to take the land in their State away from the Feds. As if the Feds seize more land in Nevada they might as well desolve the dang State as there will be NOTHING LEFT OF IT for the State to own or regulate anyway.

Nope.

It's about his statements. Are you able to focus on the subject of the OP, or not?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Now be a good liberal and call me a Racist...

You may or may not be a ‘racist,’ but as is the case with most on the right, you are ignorant of the Constitution and its case law.

Here’s a start to address your ignorance:

McCulloch v. Maryland (1819)

Gibbons v. Ogden (1824)

Cooper v. Aaron (1958)

US Term Limits v. Thornton (1995)

 

[eagle1462010]

These comments are not the issue. Whether or not Bundy is really Racist is not the issue. It is about State's Rights versus Federal Rights, and why the Federal Gov't owns so much of Nevada and most of the Western States.

We understand the origins of the States, and how they were purchased or taken from Mexico. However, these battles to take the land or purchases to buy the land were paid by We The People. The Federal Gov't isn't a entity of itself. It is only a representative group of We The People. The Liberals talk as if the Federal Gov't is a person, and not a representative arm of the We The People, which is one of their major malfunctions.

We the People in the State of Nevada means the people residing there and not the Federal Gov't who owns over 81.1% of the land via CBO 2010 report. So the people there, and their State Legislature there can't use land in their own State without permission from the Feds. How is this representative of a Republic?

It's not, and that issue still remains..................

The left who loves the nanny state will use RACISM from the comments of Bundy to divert the issue away from a movement for States to take the land in their State away from the Feds. As if the Feds seize more land in Nevada they might as well desolve the dang State as there will be NOTHING LEFT OF IT for the State to own or regulate anyway.

Actually Bundy’s racism is very much the issue, as it represents the partisan right’s desperation to contrive a controversy where none exists for some perceived political gain, and how the right’s propensity to lie and distort the truth blew up in their collective face.

Otherwise, there is no ‘issue’ with regard to ‘states’ rights.’

Since the advent of the Republic it has been accepted and settled Constitutional jurisprudence that Federal laws, the rulings of Federal courts, and the Federal Constitution are supreme, where the states are subject to Federal law as intended by the Framers and codified by the Supremacy Clause.

As you ignore current land grab attempts by the Department of Interior.............aka the BLM...............

They've started a fight with Texas that will be fought all the way to the Supreme Court unless the BLM backs down on their attempt to seize 90,000 acres of Texas.

I hope they don't back down on this one, as Texas will fight them all the way, and force a decision on whether they can come down there and take the land whether the States agree or not...........

Perhaps we can force the State's Rights versus Federal Rights to seize land any time they damn well please without consent of congress or the States.

This whole issue is not about Race.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Back to the history of the BLM.

Take the land, round up the horses and cows and put them pins and Starve them to death.

Where is the outrage from the left here and the abuses of the BLM in the past? As they the very land seized was then opened to strip mining for gold, and in the process used Cyanide in the process which has caused medical problems to those living there?

Our Land, Our Life - YouTube

--pins--

LOL.

 

[eagle1462010]

Now be a good liberal and call me a Racist...

You may or may not be a ‘racist,’ but as is the case with most on the right, you are ignorant of the Constitution and its case law.

Here’s a start to address your ignorance:

McCulloch v. Maryland (1819)

Gibbons v. Ogden (1824)

Cooper v. Aaron (1958)

US Term Limits v. Thornton (1995)

You are ignorant of the intent of a Republic, as you hide behind laws to justify the Feds rights over the State's Rights.

I have no need to research those cases as Texas will force another decision on the current land grab in Texas.

It will be a new case to add to your list which will be Texas versus the Federal Gov't as the BLM attempts to seize more land.

Carter seized 50 million acres of land.
Clinton seized 6 million acres of land.
Obama's plan to seize 10 million acres of land.

And he and you will say they have the right to do so without the Consent of Congress because the HIDE BEHIND OLD LAWS to TAKE LAND from the States.

A monumental battle is about to occur. 9 other States are now looking at legal action to stop this as well.

You can scream Racism all you want, but the battle goes on. And it will go all the way up the food chain.

The BLM opened pandora's box with Bundy, and we shall see the results of it in the future one way or another.

 

[eagle1462010]

Back to the history of the BLM.

Take the land, round up the horses and cows and put them pins and Starve them to death.

Where is the outrage from the left here and the abuses of the BLM in the past? As they the very land seized was then opened to strip mining for gold, and in the process used Cyanide in the process which has caused medical problems to those living there?

Our Land, Our Life - YouTube

--pins--

LOL.

Whatever.............not enough coffee this morning..............So give me a spelling error ticket or STFU.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

These comments are not the issue. Whether or not Bundy is really Racist is not the issue. It is about State's Rights versus Federal Rights, and why the Federal Gov't owns so much of Nevada and most of the Western States.

We understand the origins of the States, and how they were purchased or taken from Mexico. However, these battles to take the land or purchases to buy the land were paid by We The People. The Federal Gov't isn't a entity of itself. It is only a representative group of We The People. The Liberals talk as if the Federal Gov't is a person, and not a representative arm of the We The People, which is one of their major malfunctions.

We the People in the State of Nevada means the people residing there and not the Federal Gov't who owns over 81.1% of the land via CBO 2010 report. So the people there, and their State Legislature there can't use land in their own State without permission from the Feds. How is this representative of a Republic?

It's not, and that issue still remains..................

The left who loves the nanny state will use RACISM from the comments of Bundy to divert the issue away from a movement for States to take the land in their State away from the Feds. As if the Feds seize more land in Nevada they might as well desolve the dang State as there will be NOTHING LEFT OF IT for the State to own or regulate anyway.

Actually Bundy’s racism is very much the issue, as it represents the partisan right’s desperation to contrive a controversy where none exists for some perceived political gain, and how the right’s propensity to lie and distort the truth blew up in their collective face.

Otherwise, there is no ‘issue’ with regard to ‘states’ rights.’

Since the advent of the Republic it has been accepted and settled Constitutional jurisprudence that Federal laws, the rulings of Federal courts, and the Federal Constitution are supreme, where the states are subject to Federal law as intended by the Framers and codified by the Supremacy Clause.

As you ignore current land grab attempts by the Department of Interior.............aka the BLM...............

They've started a fight with Texas that will be fought all the way to the Supreme Court unless the BLM backs down on their attempt to seize 90,000 acres of Texas.

I hope they don't back down on this one, as Texas will fight them all the way, and force a decision on whether they can come down there and take the land whether the States agree or not...........

Perhaps we can force the State's Rights versus Federal Rights to seize land any time they damn well please without consent of congress or the States.

This whole issue is not about Race.

You and others on the right continue to fail to contrive a ‘controversy’ where none exists.

There is no ‘land grab,’ and the sole issue is the stupidity of most conservatives to make a hero of Bundy only to end up getting burned.

 

[orogenicman]

The issue is simple. In every state, for various reasons, the Federal government owns lands. The Federal government has a constitutional right to designate and set aside lands for various uses. If states have specific issues with specific lands, that is what negotiations are for, and barring that, the courts. A single individual has no jurisdiction to decide what parcels of Federal OR State lands belongs to himself. If Bundy claims the land belongs to his family, let's see the deed(s). Otherwise, he hasn't a leg to stand on. In the mean time, it is clear that his owes the Federal government a lot of money. Folks, we are a country of laws. We either abide by the law or we descend into anarchy. I prefer the former, but you decide!

 

[Statistikhengst]

The issue is simple. In every state, for various reasons, the Federal government owns lands. The Federal government has a constitutional right to designate and set aside lands for various uses. If states have specific issues with specific lands, that is what negotiations are for, and barring that, the courts. A single individual has no jurisdiction to decide what parcels of Federal OR State lands belongs to himself. If Bundy claims the land belongs to his family, let's see the deed(s). Otherwise, he hasn't a leg to stand on. In the mean time, it is clear that his owes the Federal government a lot of money. Folks, we are a country of laws. We either abide by the law or we descend into anarchy. I prefer the former, but you decide!

 

[eagle1462010]

The issue is simple. In every state, for various reasons, the Federal government owns lands. The Federal government has a constitutional right to designate and set aside lands for various uses. If states have specific issues with specific lands, that is what negotiations are for, and barring that, the courts. A single individual has no jurisdiction to decide what parcels of Federal OR State lands belongs to himself. If Bundy claims the land belongs to his family, let's see the deed(s). Otherwise, he hasn't a leg to stand on. In the mean time, it is clear that his owes the Federal government a lot of money. Folks, we are a country of laws. We either abide by the law or we descend into anarchy. I prefer the former, but you decide!

The issue is not that simple.

The Department of the Interior abuses the laws to seize land under various acts and basically tells the states to go to hell if they don't agree.

Texas is now going to fight this in the courts over the BLM's attempt to seize 90,000 acres.

Obama used a 1906 law to justify 160,000 acres in California to be designated as a monument as others have in the past. Should one person have this much power?

Should the BLM be able to use old laws to take more land?

That is the issue now prevailing with the Bundy issue.......and it will be a very large battle up to SCOTUS................

We shall see what pandora's box will bring, as the Feds opened it with Bundy.

 

[eagle1462010]

These comments are not the issue. Whether or not Bundy is really Racist is not the issue. It is about State's Rights versus Federal Rights, and why the Federal Gov't owns so much of Nevada and most of the Western States.

We understand the origins of the States, and how they were purchased or taken from Mexico. However, these battles to take the land or purchases to buy the land were paid by We The People. The Federal Gov't isn't a entity of itself. It is only a representative group of We The People. The Liberals talk as if the Federal Gov't is a person, and not a representative arm of the We The People, which is one of their major malfunctions.

We the People in the State of Nevada means the people residing there and not the Federal Gov't who owns over 81.1% of the land via CBO 2010 report. So the people there, and their State Legislature there can't use land in their own State without permission from the Feds. How is this representative of a Republic?

It's not, and that issue still remains..................

The left who loves the nanny state will use RACISM from the comments of Bundy to divert the issue away from a movement for States to take the land in their State away from the Feds. As if the Feds seize more land in Nevada they might as well desolve the dang State as there will be NOTHING LEFT OF IT for the State to own or regulate anyway.

Nope.

It's about his statements. Are you able to focus on the subject of the OP, or not?

I have already.............I called it a diversion tactic of the left. You call Bundy a Racist and any who agree with the land issue a Racist. It's what Statist do and you are a Statist.

Racism in this case doesn't matter one way or the other. The battle is ongoing over the Feds taking state lands, and Bundy (LIKE IT OR NOT) now has 9 more States joining the fight.

The Feds will no longer be facing a single cattle rancher in court. They will be facing State AG's with resources capable of taking on the Feds in court.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Back to the history of the BLM.

Take the land, round up the horses and cows and put them pins and Starve them to death.

Where is the outrage from the left here and the abuses of the BLM in the past? As they the very land seized was then opened to strip mining for gold, and in the process used Cyanide in the process which has caused medical problems to those living there?

Our Land, Our Life - YouTube

--pins--

LOL.

Whatever.............not enough coffee this morning..............So give me a spelling error ticket or STFU.

That is not just a spelling error and it has nothing to do with coffee. For your entire life, you have thought the word is "pin". You have heard "bullpin" instead of "bullpen". You have heard it said incorrectly......and therefore have said it incorrectly.....since you were a kid.

I find that to be funny. Sad, but funny. All of us are guilty of something similar. Usually, however, it involves a word with more than three letters.

Lighten up....laugh at yourself a little.