Brown Site Cleanup

[JohnDB]

Look,
I'm not a tree hugger. Don't believe the "climate change" nonsense. CO² hasn't changed in a long time. Carbon credit taxes are just a way to raise taxes.

However, I have heard enough quarterly stock report sessions to know that many corporations are concerned about brown sites while stockholders are not.

Brown sites are areas that once had a industrial operation but was abandoned due to costs and lack of production with older equipment. Often there are chemical pollutants and it's expensive to dismantle a factory and clean the site. Corporations owned by stock flippers will literally defecate on your dinner table and home and take the money and run.

And on land, it's easy to spot these places.
The ocean? Not so much. Trump needs to address this. Not tomorrow.....today!

 

[1srelluc]

The federal Superfund Site that was in my town took so long to clean-up a guy I went to HS with got a federal job there and retired a couple of years before it was completed.

 

[JohnDB]

The federal Superfund Site that was in my town took so long to clean-up a guy I went to HS with got a federal job there and retired a couple of years before it was completed.

We, the taxpayers, shouldn't have to pay to clean up what a bunch of 1% people profited off of.

 

[1srelluc]

We, the taxpayers, shouldn't have to pay to clean up what a bunch of 1% people profited off of.

Shoulda, coulda, woulda.....The company (Avtex) went belly-up but FMC (who sold it to Avtex) had to pay for part of the clean-up......Or I guess you would just prefer it just sat there and further poisoned our area as it fell apart?

 

[JohnDB]

Shoulda, coulda, woulda.....The company (Avtex) went belly-up but FMC (who sold it to Avtex) had to pay for part of the clean-up......Or I guess you would just prefer it just sat there and further poisoned our area as it fell apart?

Congress, can pass retro ownership cleanup laws. So that companies like Schlumberger and Vallero do have to dismantle the rigs and cleanup the ocean. They can't sell the rigs off to a third party who then goes bankrupt (intentionally).

Some states actually have laws that addresses this very thing on their books. But because this is Federal territory (ocean) and no state has jurisdiction they are getting away with it.

The Congress CAN enact legislation to remedy the problem. They CAN assess these companies (we know exactly who owned what) the fees for dismantling and dumping their trash. Problem is....they have ALL contributed to Senatorial/Congressional and Presidential campaigns.

They just don't want to. Might hurt their stock portfolio.

 

[1srelluc]

Congress, can pass retro ownership cleanup laws. So that companies like Schlumberger and Vallero do have to dismantle the rigs and cleanup the ocean. They can't sell the rigs off to a third party who then goes bankrupt (intentionally).

Some states actually have laws that addresses this very thing on their books. But because this is Federal territory (ocean) and no state has jurisdiction they are getting away with it.

The Congress CAN enact legislation to remedy the problem. They CAN assess these companies (we know exactly who owned what) the fees for dismantling and dumping their trash. Problem is....they have ALL contributed to Senatorial/Congressional and Presidential campaigns.

They just don't want to. Might hurt their stock portfolio.

So you have no answer.

 

[JohnDB]

So you have no answer.

I do....
Congress needs to pass the same legislation that many states have already passed and enacted to stop this crap from going on. Your state has these laws....

 

[leftwinger]

1.). If they didn’t force them to drill in ocean water (200’ deep?) it would not be such an issue perhaps? Can’t have it all. The Greens and deep state caused it.

2.). That surface rusted metal (steel or iron?) is not hurting anything? It will last a long time floating there or tethered. 100s of years or more? 500 yrs? Sink it? Fish like to hide in old man-made “reefs”.

3.). They could drill on land where its’ easier. Oil seeps out of the ground in CA near the coastline of Santa Barbara I hear. And other places. They can sideways drill into it perhaps? From far away.

 

[gipper]

Thinking Trump will take action on this issue is naive. I suspect he has bigger problems on his plate.

BTW the proper terminology is ‘brownfield site.’

Many of the worst sites have been cleaned up, at least somewhat. The worst sites were classified by the EPA as NPL sites (national priority list) or better known as Superfund sites. Many of these sites cost enormous sums to clean up and take decades.

In some cases, the companies responsible for the contamination still exist and are legally forced to fund the cleanups. As you indicate, some responsible companies are defunct resulting in taxpayers funding the cleanup.

It should be noted that when the contamination occurred there were no laws on the books making it illegal. Companies often dumped their waste in rivers or in their land…the back 40. CERCLA the EPA’s superfund law didn’t take effect until 1980. It was a bit unusual in that it placed liability retroactively on companies responsible for environmental impacts.

I can recall taking the Boblo boat down the Detroit River in the late 1960s as a child and seeing every color of the rainbow swirling in the water.

 

[Dr.Destructo]

Look,
I'm not a tree hugger. Don't believe the "climate change" nonsense. CO² hasn't changed in a long time. Carbon credit taxes are just a way to raise taxes.

However, I have heard enough quarterly stock report sessions to know that many corporations are concerned about brown sites while stockholders are not.

Brown sites are areas that once had a industrial operation but was abandoned due to costs and lack of production with older equipment. Often there are chemical pollutants and it's expensive to dismantle a factory and clean the site. Corporations owned by stock flippers will literally defecate on your dinner table and home and take the money and run.

And on land, it's easy to spot these places.
The ocean? Not so much. Trump needs to address this. Not tomorrow.....today!

Write Trump and tell him this then!
He's got TONS of various ways people can contact him.
I've sent him letters, only because they are too long for texts or emails, as they only allow a couple of paragraphs.

 

[JohnDB]

1.). If they didn’t force them to drill in ocean water (200’ deep?) it would not be such an issue perhaps? Can’t have it all. The Greens and deep state caused it.

2.). That surface rusted metal (steel or iron?) is not hurting anything? It will last a long time floating there or tethered. 100s of years or more? 500 yrs? Sink it? Fish like to hide in old man-made “reefs”.

3.). They could drill on land where its’ easier. Oil seeps out of the ground in CA near the coastline of Santa Barbara I hear. And other places. They can sideways drill into it perhaps? From far away.

LA Brea tar pits in LA have been a tourist thing since I was a kid.

California is oozing petroleum everywhere but they refuse to allow it to be pumped. It used to be pumped....now not so much.

And the oil rigs are full of caustic chemicals. The well caps are spudded....meaning they can stop the oozing. It's not really that expensive. (Especially so considering the profits off each rig) They just don't want to spend anything whatsoever for cleaning up the trash.

It's a navigational disaster. Look at the freaking map. It also pollutes the beaches and water with all kinds of chemicals that destroy marine life.

It needs cleaning up.

 

[lg325]

I wonder if there is profit in getting these old oil rigs dismantling them and selling it as scrap?

 

[leftwinger]

It happens on land too. Rather than clean up an old wafer fab site, Big companies donate the building and site to a university or city. I’ve been at one closed down, donated.

 

[ReinyDays]

Polluters buy Presidential Pardons ... why do you think they leave office super duper rich ... how does Hussain al'Obama afford a $50 million mansion on Nantucket with a $200,000 annual salary? ...

Bribes ...

The laws that allowed polluters to pollute are still on the books ... are still being used ... General Mining Act of 1872 - Wikipedia ... Congress just isn't doing their job ... $36 trillion debt is just the beginning ...